I'm turning into an AMD fanbois, are there any vaccinations out there?

Agricola1

I used to be a staunch Intel customer for many years, I always mocked the sad AMD fanbois. However I am building a new system out of neccessity and took a look at AMD. In the past I could always justify staying away from AMD, performance was one and also that I feared perchasing an AMD chip from a dodgy dealer that had overclocked a lesser one.

However I recently looked at AMD and couldn't think of a reason not to buy AMD. Better price, better architecture, more over clocking potential (now intel can be overclocked also), I admit Intel has better performance with the i7 and the best dual core but the x3 defeats the dual core in price and performance on benchmark tests. The i7 makes little difference in practical terms unless I'm playing Crisis at high res, however the GPU becomes just as important in that case.

I have friends that want to purchase the i7 over an AMD for half the price and only a slight drop in performace (5-10 fps at the most!), I think they're insane. Have I got AMD fanbois rabies? Is it too late?

I say the X3 720 phenom ii BE beats out a Core i7, on price and versatility and the motherboards have better architecture! Am I insane?

rturja

Computers arent just processors, the chipset plays very significant role in the overall stability and reliability of the whole. What looks good in paper is quite different when the rig is put to real use, and this is where AMD has lacked for a long time. Chipsets designed for AMD systems aren't VIA 'quality' anymore, but still not up the par on Intel counterparts IMHO.

astrob0y

Ive been a AMD/ATI fan for along time and used them with alot of joy. But this year I will switch to intel becuse here in sweden it costs me around more 150$ to use a i7 920 system  insteed of an phenom II x4 system. And for that price tag I will get a platform that overclocks easier with air fans (all my love to noctua) .

 

Edit; Ive read some reviews that puts the new Phenom II a pair with the high end quad2core processors. And that is not so good.

Agricola1

Originally posted by astrob0y


Ive been a AMD/ATI fan for along time and used them with alot of joy. But this year I will switch to intel becuse here in sweden it costs me around more 150$ to use a i7 920 system  insteed of an phenom II x4 system. And for that price tag I will get a platform that overclocks easier with air fans (all my love to noctua) .
 
Edit; Ive read some reviews that puts the new Phenom II a pair with the high end quad2core processors. And that is not so good.

 

A core i7 overclocks easier than an X4 BE? Surely you are merely compounding your treachery with heresy? You shall pay for your lack of faith! When Intel releases a new socket this autum you'll be begging AMD for forgiveness!

astrob0y

Haha. You made my day Agricola1  

 

jagd1

Originally posted by Agricola1

 A core i7 overclocks easier than an X4 BE? Surely you are merely compounding your treachery with heresy? You shall pay for your lack of faith! When Intel releases a new socket this autum you'll be begging AMD for forgiveness!

 

LMAO , www.fudzilla.com/index.php

rage9000

the fx790 chipset beats anything intel has

Cleffy

The Core i7 920 overclocks much worse then a Black Edition CPU because of how easy it is to overclock it with just upping the multiplier.  The same applies to Extreme edition CPUs from Intel.  Also the Phenom II 940 is capable of a higher overclock then a Core i7 940 Extreme Edition.  However, for standard use the Core i7 920 is better then the Phenom II 940.

Like the original posted said, does the cpu make a difference for games.  When you are comparing strictly rescent quad core processors it means squat.  AMD CPUs aren't the best, but for games you don't need to be the best CPU.

Also ya, the AMD chipset and motherboard design are alot better then Intel's.  Intel also shot itself in the foot for closing the doors on nVidia Chipsets now making their motherboards work strictly on Intel Chipsets which are poor.  Despite a price difference of $40 in CPU, the added cost of a Core i7 build comes from having to use an X58 board costing in the $300 range and DDR3 memory.  Also the entire system consumes more watts then a comporable AMD system.

Agricola1

Since switching sides to AMD I can now use this click as proof that AMD CPUs can run faster than the best Intel has to offer!

noquarter

I have to say I hate Intel's stock heatsinks.  Fuck those clicky pegs.  But I tend to buy AMD cuz they are often better performance on the dollar and are fast enough for my needs.  I'll buy whatever though.. when the core2duo's came out I used those for a while instead.

Techleo

  Right now Im running a Amd X3 720BE and Im psyched! I've been OCing it to near 3.2ghz. With the 4gb of ddr3 ram and the HD4780 GPU im just tickled pink! All for less then 450 bucks! Left me enough to replace all the struts and shocks on my car. Talk about a good tax return year:D

astrob0y

This is the system that I will replace my Spider platform (phenom x4@3.1Ghz, 8 gig ddr2)  with www.youtube.com/watch.  I will skip the Intel cpu cooler with the one Im using atm (a noctua true cooler).  The fun part is that my new I7 system does only cost around 150$ more than a Dragon platform (Phenom II x2, ddr3, am3 motherboard) from AMD here in sweden

Enjoy and hopefully I wont burn for this  

 

 

Techleo

I love the i7. Its a great cpu. I would have got it but considering my old pc was dying and I needed a new build I went for AMD like I always have. For the price they always offered me something amazing for the price. I never felt like I was to out of the loop. Thats sorta what AMD stands for. Affordable gaming for the masses:D

Gestankfaust

I just love when people say "an" in front of "AMD".....

 

 

Agricola1

Originally posted by Gestankfaust


I just love when people say "an" in front of "AMD".....
 
 

I admit it annoys me a little when people use initialisms and put a before them when they should be putting an, but I just assume they're ignorant Intel users!

Astro, have you ever considered that the motherboard and CPU for your core i7 will be obsolete by the end of the year?

astrob0y

Well, hehe, I buy a new system each year , and ofc seel my old one. An rather expensive hobby that Im found off. An Im rather suprised that Im still happy with my 4870x2 card. Kudos ATI.

And I just love when pepole are complaing about how we, that dosent have english as mother speak,  are using english. Feel free to write me a line or two in swedish.

 

eycel

it didnt seem lke the i7 processor was here very long.  here and gone, left behind in the dust of a new model.  i cant say i didnt want one though when it first was introduced to me in an alinware desktop email.  i havent seen anything with phenom advertised but iv seen threads about it.  i always wanted an amd x64 procesor, before all the core stuff.  i like ati though and with amds merger with ati ...

noquarter

Originally posted by Gestankfaust


I just love when people say "an" in front of "AMD".....
 
 

 

Uhm.. what?  "an" is proper to use in front of "AMD".. a/an depends entirely on phonetics, acronyms aren't special.. you would say "an FTL drive" "a TPS memo" "an AMD" "a UFO".  The whole purpose of an is to avoid 2 vowel sounds in a row.  Try speaking it naturally instead of overthinking it.

Agricola1

Originally posted by astrob0y


Well, hehe, I buy a new system each year , and ofc seel my old one. An rather expensive hobby that Im found off. An Im rather suprised that Im still happy with my 4870x2 card. Kudos ATI.
And I just love when pepole are complaing about how we, that dosent have english as mother speak,  are using english. Feel free to write me a line or two in swedish.

 

 

Well if you're going to buy a new system each year I suppose it's different. But what do you do with the "old" one? BTW can I have your stuff?

Hashbrick

I've always been an AMD "fanboi" and never looked back. While intel can come in front of other areas, architecture is AMD's back yard and is as top notch as you can get. We can sit around ab argue points all day I just wanted to drop in and say the PII x4s are outstanding, never once had a problem with it running any game, no cores trying to out perform the others and vice versa. With a AMD pro board I am able to underclock and overclock it in real-time with a click of the mouse. Convenience and a power saver for when you are only going to use the net or programs/games that don't stand up to today's stress.

Welcome to the AMD world.

Lobotomist

I used to be AMD fan. Actually they were quite strong in europe...

Way cheaper than Intel , with almost as good performance and overclocking capability.

 

This changed.

Intel dropped the prices. Killing AMD's main advantage.

 

So now... I have intel processor. Not that it mathers much.

Just buy what ever is best for you at the moment

Agricola1

Originally posted by Lobotomist


I used to be AMD fan. Actually they were quite strong in europe...
Way cheaper than Intel , with almost as good performance and overclocking capability.
 
This changed.
Intel dropped the prices. Killing AMD's main advantage.
 
So now... I have intel processor. Not that it mathers much.
Just buy what ever is best for you at the moment

 

They dropped their prices because AMD forced them. As for prices the X3 is cheaper and performs better than the best dual core from intel. The i7 has dropped in price so that it's comparable to the price of the best X4 chip, but the motherboards still cost alot more for Intel and aren't as good as AMD chipsets by a long shot.

If CPU and motherboard prices were reversed so that AMD cost the same as intel then I could find a good reason to go Intel. However I'd still be left with an obsolete system in 6 months whilst the AMD guy is upgrading as/when he pleases.

But everyone's different, I suppose someone bought new coke right?

Techleo

  The great thing is WE WIN! I love price wars during hard times I'm totally floored with the DDR3 ram I got. People said they weren't getting much better performance with it but I have to disagree. With some tweaking Im pulling in a good 15percent increase in performance over DDR2. Which is a big deal for me. Especially considering my system cost less then a comprable ddr2 C2d system. Mind you I recycled the hell out of some old parts so this system is my frankenbaby! MWUHAHAHA~!

astrob0y

I sell my system to pepole that dont need the the newest thing. Quite simple and makes my next buy so expensive.

And I do not believe that its diffrent just becuse I for one buy a new system each year (been doing that for 4 year now if Im not misstaken myself). I buy the hardware that gives most raw overclocking power for the buck, and I find the i7 system to be the best. I will be quite sad if I cant go over 4ghz with my 920 processor with air fan and a good cooler.

Agricola1

Why would you want to overclock an i7? It's not like there's any program it can't run perfectly at the moment, aslong as you invest in a decent GPU there really isn't a need. I might overclock an X3 just to piss off my buddies that invest in an i7

astrob0y

Becuse I want to beat the guys that bought the 965 processor ofc  And be able to  say; "Look guys! My processor is doing the stuff your more expensive processor are doing right now. Fix that or you did something really lame and expensive". And I really like to test how much I can push the hardware. I did quite good with my old Phenom x4 processor when I got over the 3Ghz barrier. And I will probably beable to push the i7 system over the 4Ggz line. 

And Ive read some reviews that has said that the old generation of CPUs (phenom,q2c) has bottle necked my graphic card. And now I want to see if the new system can delievere all the raw power that a (or was it an) 4870x2 card has. If the cpu and gpu is runnning fine togheter- I will ofc build an 4870x2 crossfire computure or a SLi 295 setup (if the low end cooler for the 4870x2 that comes out in the end of march dosent work well).