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Another one bites the dust
CWEGuru
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After playing almost every MMO out I had convinced myself I was done with online games, until I tried this game. I only played for about a week. The combat revamp came out and my class got broken. My class didn't just get nerfed or balanced it is a broken class now, I played a Scout/Warrior. I only got to level 13 Scout level 10 Warrior before the only class I enjoyed playing got broken. I was sold on the game and played it almost every waking minute. Why is it every class I enjoy playing in an MMO gets nerfed so bad it is a broken class? I will try to play WoW again since I have one of every class and if 1 gets nerfed I'll just switch classes.
So, Runes of Magic has failed even before launch in my opinion and another MMO bites the dust.
edit: I find myself being sucked back into this game, it is addictive. In a lot of ways this game is like WoW with different problems. It has a lot of features that WoW is missing like housing. I am playing a Mage now and having fun again in RoM. I just can't play WoW anymore I go back to WoW every couple months and play a couple hours but I am bored with WoW now after 4 years and keep canceling my subscription. The main problem with RoM in my eyes is the devs have a favorite class, right now it is a Mage, and they do not know what to do with the other classes I thing the devs don't understand how the other classes work. This is a fun game and until I get tired of it I guess it will continue to suck me back into playing.
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my god I get so tired of hearing about peoples class getting nerfed. Maybe the skill shouldnt have been over powered to beging with? You should not play games in BETA I repeat BETA if you can not handel class balancing, or for that fact anytime within 4 months of a release date. Last I knew BETA was for working on a game.
Well have fun in WoW.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
I'll bring the BBQ and some sasuages, and we all be ready to have a good feed.
As others have said, can't handle playing in Beta and seeing some major changes happen, stay away. I been playing Runes since it started beta roughly. And I have the same class, and yes we were nerfed, but damn we were OP'd for sure, and now I find my class abit mroe balanced. Also my other class Priest/Mage I feel is OP'd as well and awaiting the nerf bat which I am sure will come along. No big deal spend a few brain cells on working out your new tactics etc to get the most out of your class and get playing again.
Nerfing is part of the MMO way of life, You see it in every MMO and its not going away, I have never given two hoots about it, that life get used to it or go hide under your bed.
I can remember when WoW came out of Beta to live and pally's were quite impressive compared to warriors etc, I had a warrior and thought what a joke, but as all Mmo's things sort them selves out good enough to be fun til they ebcome boring, But all MMO's wil always have some class that players will complain about being nerfed, Just the way MMO's go, I myself am glad I am not a DEV for an MO company, trying to keep the masses happy happy joy joy all the time.
Tan
its called beta besides nerfs are part of every MMO as people find explots, if you cannot accept that fact stop playing them and play single player games.
Ive been wathing this game for a long time. But i dont want the frustration of Beta playing so will hold off a bit. Looks pretty good from what ive seen though.
the only game where I actually questioned nerfs/buffs and thought the devs didnt know what they were doing was in AoC. They buffed my already OP'ed soul swarm to do more dmg then just a week later for them to severly nerf it to where it was useless. They had no clue what they were doing.
I knew from before the buff of soul swarm that it was going to get nerfed, its just that it baffeled me to no end as to why they buffed an already OP spell. I knew it was going to take a major blow sooner or later. I took full advantage of it before it got nerfed. went from 70-80 in just half a day, it seemed. Point is you cant expect to run around pwning everthing and think nothings going to change.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Well, the game is really nice and gets you hooked for a while until you reach level 35 or so...Then during that time its just out of content...I mean when doing daily quests x 10 is the fastest way to level up over fighting monsters it gets boring...I had to literally do daily quests everyday and just log out...Killing random monsters took so much longer and you run out of quests to do in the 40-50 area...
I enjoyed it for what it's worth, but cant bring myself to come back to play it again.
EDIT: they still havent fixxed the pathing issues yet...At level 25 I was able to solo Perodia a named treant...Took me over 1 hour, but was still possible due to the fact that I just ran back and forth on a small ledge while it ran around in circles a few meters away from me, keeping me in a safe distance just shooting my arrows away.
OP: As they redid the combat they managed to break the ballance, the scout is a drastic example and it gets even worse for him at low levels. Also they buffed mobs, forget about anything over your level. Play as Warrior though, you will be pleasantly surprised, it works now (rage is still broken just the other way now but it is finally fun).
This is F2P "beta" with cash shop working for a long time aka more like marketing move to get baseline server population and product awareness than do testing. What they did with the patch is untested on very basic level, they did not even go over the formulas before they put the patch on live. Also their idea about making money is by force and denial not by positive encouragement.
The game has a lot of things going for it, the engine works and allows responsive and fun gameplay, which is more than most can say. The QA, marketing, ballancing, is miserable. They even have the content they need they "just" have it totally inappropriatelly placed and tuned. Some day we will have Chinese and Koreans publishing games instead of this amateur crap where US director cannot even produce single coherent english sentence (go see US forums).
Well see how they tune things up they still got couple days to release and i believe the publishing company is german hence language issues?
Calm down OP, the game is STILL beta and even now better balanced with more feature than many established MMO's
So they went too far one way and will now come back the other way to meet in the middle - that's exactly what testing is all about.
If you now feel you character is under powered, well big deal as you've 'lost' nothing more than time in a F2P game ...what's that you say? all that money you spent on cash items? For a start its BETA and even if devs like these open up the cash shops in BETA nobody should really be buying anything from them until the game has been released for a few months and has been balanced.
Yes, the clowns who dev this game have destroyed it.
The nerfing of almost all the classes simply makes it more of a grind and that means players will have to be around longer in the limited content. And all this 8 days before "release". This also helps assure the CS is more needed as the toons are pretty weak after the rape.
If these devs are capable of something this bad even if they fix it you can never trust that after you spend your time and money they won't just drastically nerf whatever.
Avoid this game like the plague. They have shown they are all about money after posturing themselves as the best f2p to come along.
Indeed, as a lvl 13/10 player you sure understand how the class system works and what specific class is Oped and which is not...LOL!
Since CB 'til the current day there have been several class balancing & character overhauls. Scouts were Oped since the very first days of CB and even before the patch they were able to 2 - 3 hit everything & killing mobs before those even managed to approach them. So in reality the classes weren't all nerfed, they were adjusted to how they should have worked since day 1. You're not just a Scout, Rogue, Warrior, or whatever. You are playing a 2 class combo so better start learning how to round up & buff your primary before taking a bad or weak secondary class for your toon. Second, you got all your TP point back, so you could reskill. Last, but not least, the game is still in beta, expect the unexpected and calm down; it's your risk for playing the game before full release. And for God's sake show some common sense, play more than 1 class / character and lvl one toon up to a high lvl so you'd really understand what the game is all about.
Wow, they release a major patch with a complete combat revamp and people are ready to throw in the towel after 2 days of testing (remember this is a beta test). Seriously, if you're that upset so quickly without giving them time to work out the balance issues, then by all means take a hike. We won't miss you.
It is just that even common people see behind this. They saw that people spend too litle in CS before endgame and insted of adjusting what is broken or unpopular they decided to deny them content. Instead of making game more fun if you spend money they decided to make it less fun for everyone. They increased even more the gap between old timers and new players. What the OP speaks about actually is not that they nerfed his class but that they severely impaired his new player experience by overtuning and incorrect scaling; it is in no way necessary or even viable to make lvl 12 purchase CS gear mods by making his game experience miserable. Even if people cannot articulate this they feel it and express their uncertain dislike.
The combat revamp did not undergo even very basic in-house testing. It does not have any functional bugs which is great. Again, people correctly feel crappy job albeit they cannot point out who is responsible. (Publisher is, it is quite apparent they have a tool to adjust combat variables overnight independent of devs and that this was the main point of the revamp. I would not be surprised if the actual devs decided that instead of arguing with publisher it is cheaper for them to re-code combat and let publisher do what he pleases.)
As for language, Frogster has US branch that is largerly independent. US forums moderation is quite hostile to the point where the game director bypasses his PR team and posts incoherently in apparent anger.
You get free CS items during your leveling up (the famous lvl bags); the list includes xp boosters, free mounts, TP reset stones, recall runes, upgrading gear stones, stats boosters, and so on. Further more, each time a major character issue was fixed the players got free resets. Last, but not least, from now on the bosses will drop CS items. Heck, you can even buy CS items with tokens from the daily quests - WHAT DO YOU WANT MORE ??? It's by far the most generous offer I've ever seen in a F2P + CS game! You don't really need to touch the CS shop until you reach the very last few levels (47 - 50). If you think there's a free MMO with CS that allows you to reach the end cap fully geared without making any purchase from the CS shop, you're dreaming. They have to make money in order to keep the game going and frankly being able to reach the last levels only with gear from quests and drops is more than ok. You can even get to lvl 50 without investing in CS shop if you don't want to have the type of gear most high lvl players have. But you're just selfish & greedy if you want to reach the lvl cap and pwn everybody without actually investing money in the game.
As for class nerfing, I've seen such balancing decisions taken several times during CB and even in early OB, and yet the testers didn't complain because we understood such things needed to be done. But the last ppl that joined the game are usually the ones with the biggest mouths and with the biggest demand lists. So really, shut the hell up, let the devs do their job, DO YOUR BETA TESTER JOB and help fine tuning the game instead of just feeding the bad publicity some idiots keep pumping on forums and game websites. I'm so tired of all the selfish enraged kids that badmouth the game just 'cause their precious class "was nerfed OMG" instead of actually thinking why such a decision was taken (maybe just 'cause their class was seriosuly OPed?).
Take a hike? Won't miss you?
If the devs responded like that to everyone who's complaining about the last patch, then RoM would be a barren wasteland within hours. Lots of exited ppl posted about how good it sounded when the patch notes were released on the EU forum, I've hardly seen anything else than complaints after ppl got to actually test the changes for themselves. Most ppl are complaining, no doubt about it.
And for all the "it's beta" posts:
One week till release. No miracle patch coming within the next 7 days.
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Oops. Misspell. It's "beta", not "bets". Too bad I can't edit the reply under
Take a hike? Won't miss you?
If the devs responded like that to everyone who's complaining about the last patch, then RoM would be a barren wasteland within hours. Lots of exited ppl posted about how good it sounded when the patch notes were released on the EU forum, I've hardly seen anything else than complaints after ppl got to actually test the changes for themselves. Most ppl are complaining, no doubt about it.
And for all the "it's bets" posts:
One week till release. No miracle patch coming within the next 7 days.
Personally, I think this game will fail in few months or less because the game is based on quest in order to level up which makes it boring. I see no goals in this game, you cant pick your own goal to do. You can get to level 50 within month with cash shop items. It feels like its too short and needs allot work and more creative as well. I mean everyday what do we do? We do daily quest because it gives the most exp, and do quests until 50. Then what? There is no goal at all! Raid the boss for next 6 month until new patch. What else do we do? nothing. It makes me sad because the graphic was above average and its free to play but oh well its free so I don't complain.
Also the elite, crown mob's damage is terrible, it doesnt give you fun if it 1 hit ohko you. Doesn't give you chance to run or anything, it requires a full party or raid party in order to kill it which makes it boring. Just my 2 cent.
Kain_Dale
[quote]Originally posted by Kain_DalePersonally, I think this game will fail in few months or less because the game is based on quest in order to level up which makes it boring. I see no goals in this game, you cant pick your own goal to do. You can get to level 50 within month with cash shop items. It feels like its too short and needs allot work and more creative as well. I mean everyday what do we do? We do daily quest because it gives the most exp, and do quests until 50. Then what? There is no goal at all! Raid the boss for next 6 month until new patch. What else do we do? nothing. It makes me sad because the graphic was above average and its free to play but oh well its free so I don't complain.
Also the elite, crown mob's damage is terrible, it doesnt give you fun if it 1 hit ohko you. Doesn't give you chance to run or anything, it requires a full party or raid party in order to kill it which makes it boring. Just my 2 cent.[/b][/quote]
Lvl-ing up by solving quests is boring? What would you have prefered instead? Pure grinding? I don't get it.
You see no goals because there is a lot of content that still has to be implemented. Guild wars will provide enough entertainment, ppl are also waiting the Server vs Server future wars. Anyway you're missing the whole point of the game: you are just a cog in the mechanism, a part of the whole so the purpose of all those quests is to train and prepare you to work in a team to learn your role in a party and to push you into helping others and building together a strong guild for future end game content. That's why you can't have a good party without a healer, a tank and some good DD and nukers (thus giving specific roles & uses for all classes), that's why you can't get the goodies (elite & boss drops, items from the instances, gear sets, etc) on your own and also that's why you can't solo bosses. You can't fight in a server war (for ex) if you don't know how to work with other players, if you don't really know who they are and how they fight. That's prolly why the ants are so damn nasty and require a lot of ppl to cooperate, or why the bosses have different tactics. Of course there is still much work to do and more content to be added which would also mean future balancing issues, but that's how it goes.
At least RoM's quest system is providing enough good rewards to keep you going. I've played (unfortunately, a lot of) MMOs that offer only rubbish stuff for solving quests, which btw are just something do to between PvP matches - which is not the case with RoM.
Yeah, everything u said is correct about how it works. Yes, I know all about that party crap, I am MMORPG player since 96. I have played ton of games like this and I find em all boring when depend on party all the time. FFXI, Vanguard, WoW, etc.... all is depend on raid, party.. Its same crap over n over. However, thats not the point. My point is, you cant solo anymore when u hit 50 because it will depend on party from there which find no interest for me.
Kain_Dale
[quote]Originally posted by Kain_DaleMy point is, you cant solo anymore when u hit 50 because it will depend on party from there which find no interest for me.[/b][/quote]
Yes, you're right about that. We'll just have to wait some more and see exactly why these changes were made (it's not like the bosses were very easy to solo even pre patch) and whether it's just a temporary situation or this is the way the game works from now on. Frankly I don't care too much about raids, but for the moment maybe it's better this way because there are only a handful of players that can tank the most powerful bosses and thus being able to farm them so maybe by forcing ppl into raids more players would have a change on getting the uber gear & rare items...
You are right. It was a STUPID nerf done by amatuer devs. This wasn't a tweak some folks are just griping about. It was a major gelding of 2 of the 6 classes. Just plain S T U P I D. Meanwhile some short sighted players that got a little boost to the class they happen to play are all happy.
One of my high toons got a boost the other got bigtime nerfed. They should have just fixed the classes that were underpowered and left the others alone.
You are right. It was a STUPID nerf done by amatuer devs. This wasn't a tweak some folks are just griping about. It was a major gelding of 2 of the 6 classes. Just plain S T U P I D. Meanwhile some short sighted players that got a little boost to the class they happen to play are all happy.
One of my high toons got a boost the other got bigtime nerfed. They should have just fixed the classes that were underpowered and left the others alone.
It's the beta, anything could happen when this game releases. They must have something planned, but it doesn't "bite the dust", it's probably the best f2p mmorpg. If you have WoW though, I would play that rather than this game.
Been playing since Open Beta. I have one character maxed and 7 other characters around 25/25-35/35. Today I decided to quit. Every single patch in OB severely nerfed some aspect of the game that was fun. After each patch, I would get pissed, but I would just assume that they had something in mind and it would get better...unfortunately, it never did. Now we are days from release, and another severe nerf was just patched into the game. It isn't fun anymore. I was planning on playing this game for quite awhile as it had a lot of great features, and I only had to put in as much money as I wanted to. However, now I'm looking for the next MMO to spend my time on, I've given up on these guys figuring out what the hell they are doing. It is still incredibly amazing to me that the game was so much better the first day I played it than it is now, several months later, days before release. I'm done playing games from this company.
Since I just started, I've missed most of the nerfs, so have no frame of reference to what you speak. Perhaps in the future you should avoid open betas and wait for the released game to come out? (but I suspect they'll continue to balance the game).
More disconcerning to me is the reported hacking going on. I've not really witnessed it, but guild mates of mine have witnessed players who routinely insta-break snares that should not break or manage to vanish from screen when pursued.
I know it goes on in every game, but I'm hoping it won't be a major issue.
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Since I just started, I've missed most of the nerfs, so have no frame of reference to what you speak. Perhaps in the future you should avoid open betas and wait for the released game to come out? (but I suspect they'll continue to balance the game).
More disconcerning to me is the reported hacking going on. I've not really witnessed it, but guild mates of mine have witnessed players who routinely insta-break snares that should not break or manage to vanish from screen when pursued.
I know it goes on in every game, but I'm hoping it won't be a major issue.
I've never played a game at release that I didn't play in OB, so no, I don't think that is the solution. This is the only game I've ever beta tested that decided it was a good idea to change the entirety of the way classes work just a couple weeks out from release. Essentially, this became a 2 week beta test as everything we had been testing up until that point was changed...for the worst I should add. Me quitting isn't a result of me thinking this game doesn't have potential, it is a result of thinking the people that are in charge of this game have no clue what they are doing and therefore are pretty much guaranteed to run it into the ground. I'm not going to invest time and money into a game with that definite end.
This game is quite addicting and fun to play if you find the right class. Right now I'm playing a Mage and having fun playing again. Everyone I've gotten to play RoM likes the game and can't ubderstand why I'm so critical. Maybe I'm too hard to please. Don't miss this game if you are looking for a new game to try.