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  • demcdemc Member Posts: 292

    I'll highlight the important stuff -

     

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  • lordwedgelylordwedgely Member Posts: 61

    those cheering this decision need to get a clue.

  • RetradRetrad Member UncommonPosts: 274

    I have used MMOglider since it first came out...

    Why?

    Reason 1:

    Leveling the first time was fun. It was new and exciting and there were lots of people to play with. The second time was less fun, less people to play with, and the replay factor of WoW is (and lets be honest here) worthless.

    So when I decided to reroll on another server where my friends currently had their mains, but of a different faction before BC came out, I botted.

    I've played MMOs since EQ and even EQ with the mundane grind I still had more fun leveling up my main and all my alts and never once thought of cheating. Leveling in EQ WAS FUN!!!

    Leveling in WoW is tedios, lame, and not fun.

    Reason 2:

    I realized I could make money...A LOT OF MONEY.

    I won't tell you how much I made in total, but the most I ever made in a week was 1.5k.

    I learned a lot about business strategy, believe it or not. So at least it was a learning experience.

    Reason 3:

    I like a challenge.

    With people getting banned left and right and with new people getting into botting and not knowing how to correctly pull the wool over Blizzards eyes I saw it as a challenge to get one over Blizzard.

    I have never been banned, and not many botters can  say that. I'd say less than 100 botters have never been banned. It takes smarts, skills, and knowing the limits.

    Reason 4:

    "Cuz it's fun to do bad things"

    ^ Anyone who can tell me where that quote is from will earn eleventy1 billion cool points.

  • AntariousAntarious Member UncommonPosts: 2,846
    Originally posted by lordwedgely


    those cheering this decision need to get a clue.



     

    I have a clue that I bought on Ebay.. and yes I am more than happy about this.

    The only thing that will make me happier is when they start going after users (where they can) after the one federal judge opened the door an earlier ruling.  When they stated use of these programs was also a violation of copyright.

    I mean honestly nothing would make me happier than if all the little "war buddy" or "vg buddy" and every single radar user that was in DAoC... ended up getting a nice little serving of paper.

    It would be so horrible to have to play a friggin game without using 3rd party programs...

  • LoopholeLoophole Member Posts: 27


    Originally posted by Retrad
    I have used MMOglider since it first came out...
    Why?
    Reason 1:
    Leveling the first time was fun. It was new and exciting and there were lots of people to play with. The second time was less fun, less people to play with, and the replay factor of WoW is (and lets be honest here) worthless.
    So when I decided to reroll on another server where my friends currently had their mains, but of a different faction before BC came out, I botted.
    I've played MMOs since EQ and even EQ with the mundane grind I still had more fun leveling up my main and all my alts and never once thought of cheating. Leveling in EQ WAS FUN!!!
    Leveling in WoW is tedios, lame, and not fun.


    Flawed argument. Not even bothering to reply to the worthless stuff about whether the game is fun or not to level up in compared to another game:

    - It's not Blizzard's problem if you roll on server A and decide you want to play on server B. That's a choice you made. You should've made your character on the same server as your friends did in the first place if you want to play with them; or them on the same server as you.

    - You could've sold your account and bought a character on the server you wanted to be on. Yes, that is against the ToS as well, but at least it doesn't directly disturb the game environment by inflating gold amounts, taking up server resources, hindering other people's leveling, and so on. It also doesn't involve giving money to companies that make money off such practices.

    Reason 2:
    I realized I could make money...A LOT OF MONEY.
    I won't tell you how much I made in total, but the most I ever made in a week was 1.5k.
    I learned a lot about business strategy, believe it or not. So at least it was a learning experience.

    The same could be said for most criminal activities as well, e.g. forgery. Irrelevant.

    Reason 3:
    I like a challenge.
    With people getting banned left and right and with new people getting into botting and not knowing how to correctly pull the wool over Blizzards eyes I saw it as a challenge to get one over Blizzard.
    I have never been banned, and not many botters can say that. I'd say less than 100 botters have never been banned. It takes smarts, skills, and knowing the limits.

    See above.

    Reason 4:
    "Cuz it's fun to do bad things"
    ^ Anyone who can tell me where that quote is from will earn eleventy1 billion cool points.

    See above.


    If you're going to try defend behavior something most people would rate somewhere between annoying and abusive you could at least have tried justifying it with some less moronic reasoning.

  • DibdabsDibdabs Member RarePosts: 3,240
    Originally posted by Retrad


     
    I was simply describing my experience with Glider to ajetate all of those who are against it.
    While you all QQ'd over botters, I was making $$ with absolutely no work at all.

    I see all your spare time didn't allow you to get much of a vocabulary, but that's to be expected.

    If botters had any friends, they wouldn't need to bot in order to make progress.  True story.

  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157

    I dont agree with Botters, Or Support illegal methods of botting, However I want to actually see evidence that Glider was reverse Engineered. IF for example, I wrote a registery key that disabled Warden, or Warden just didnt load correctly because I use Vista 64 bit, and was designed for WOW on windows XP, and I was using a bot, that just read a bunch of X000-1942 Mob monsters and attack them I suppose that would be Breaking the law? Actually no there is a difference, Scanning Memory on your own computer using a bot program is not illegal or against the law. Stealing other peoples Research, data, and time put into it is. If Blizzard doesn't like it, then they shouldn't load the mob's into the users memory?

    You get rid of glider, what makes you think MDY/the glider inventors Wont just take it down, or if not hasn't already made a back up copy, and sent it to others else where to continue their work outside of the U.S or something, and make something stronger and better?

     

    Also botting is easy because...

    Blizzard put in all these macro commands into the game like /attack target, press 1-0 to activate a skill, and a /target command, so really all a bot has to do is type /target monster name here, it selects the monster and begins casting the spell or whatever.

    -- OFF TOPIC , But true --

    If you don't want your real life picture stolen, You Dont want your art work stolen, or your game design's data, or text document's (Never) Plug your pc into the internet, Never publish it, even with a copy right someone will use it without premission inside or outside of your country. Also keep in mind that There are so many games out there free to play that look the same, and they basically are the same just new skills, graphics ect. I mean look at age of conan, Warhammer Online, it uses the exact same talent system as world of warcraft, and many other things like that.

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

     



    Originally posted by Renoaku

     

    IF for example, I wrote a registery key that disabled Warden, or Warden just didnt load correctly because I use Vista 64 bit, and was designed for WOW on windows XP, and I was using a bot, that just read a bunch of X000-1942 Mob monsters and attack them I suppose that would be Breaking the law?

     



    you sign the EULA, you give Blizzards Warden the right to review your computer



    evading Warden is breaking the law, according to the judge's ruling

    arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/judges-ruling-that-wow-bot-violates-dmca-is-troubling.ars



    In Wednesday's ruling, Judge Campbell found that Warden did effectively control access to the "non-literal elements." That is, while Warden does not prevent users from accessing the individual elements of the game separately, it does effectively bar users from accessing all of the elements together while playing the game.

     



    Therefore, Judge Campbell concluded, MDY violated the DMCA when it evaded warden's checks.





    a friend gave this summary on a different forum

    www.brellrants.net/forum/viewtopic.php

    the Warden was a "protection mechanism" under the DMCA and therefore has the right to look at basically anything running on your machine and attempting to prevent it from looking at your code (whether you have anything to do with WoW or not) puts you in violation of the DMCA.

     

  • chinchilla32chinchilla32 Member Posts: 51

    If I worked for Blizzard I would get a list of Glider customers and get them blacklisted by every form of electronic purchasing, ever.

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  • JosherJosher Member Posts: 2,818

    I seems we have some junior Madoff scrubs floating around.  I'll just assume the same people using glider and making money off of it, would say the same thing about selling drugs, answers to tests, and in the future gunning someone down and taking their wallet, because, HEY, it was all a learning experience and therefor something postitve.  If cheating in a game and making money off of it doesn't disturb you in any way, the odds are you'll be cheating and stealing in every other endeavor in life. 

    It would laugh if the glider consumer list gets in the hands of BLizzard and they begin suing every one of you, even if it doesn't lead to anything.  If it forces you to hire a lawyer just to defned yourself, thats enough agrivation dealt;)

  • VetarniasVetarnias Member UncommonPosts: 630
    Originally posted by Nadia


     

    Originally posted by Renoaku
     
    IF for example, I wrote a registery key that disabled Warden, or Warden just didnt load correctly because I use Vista 64 bit, and was designed for WOW on windows XP, and I was using a bot, that just read a bunch of X000-1942 Mob monsters and attack them I suppose that would be Breaking the law?
     

    you sign the EULA, you give Blizzards Warden the right to review your computer



    evading Warden is breaking the law, according to the judge's ruling

    arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/judges-ruling-that-wow-bot-violates-dmca-is-troubling.ars



    In Wednesday's ruling, Judge Campbell found that Warden did effectively control access to the "non-literal elements." That is, while Warden does not prevent users from accessing the individual elements of the game separately, it does effectively bar users from accessing all of the elements together while playing the game.

     



    Therefore, Judge Campbell concluded, MDY violated the DMCA when it evaded warden's checks.





    a friend gave this summary on a different forum

    www.brellrants.net/forum/viewtopic.php

    the Warden was a "protection mechanism" under the DMCA and therefore has the right to look at basically anything running on your machine and attempting to prevent it from looking at your code (whether you have anything to do with WoW or not) puts you in violation of the DMCA.

    I've never used a bot, but if what you say is correct, it raises the following question.

    I'm not American. The wonderful Dominion of Canada, from which I hail, does not currently have DMCA-style provisions against reverse-engineering in its Copyright Act. 

    It does, however, have privacy laws.  And what I have on my computer is none of Blizzard's damn business, EULA or no EULA.

    The question is very simple: Since the copyright argument can't be used here, could the EULA contravene Canada's privacy laws?

    Again, if what you say is correct, the decision might open a can of worms regarding copyright in the US, but it's sure as hell opening one of privacy in the rest of the world that doesn't have retarded copyright laws written out by Big Business.

  • phrankphrank Member Posts: 238
    Originally posted by Nadia


     
    you sign the EULA, you give Blizzards Warden the right to review your computer



     

    Interesting take on the decision. I don't see where I ever "signed" any EULA or TOS.

    So just how did the judge get around the fact that there is NO ACTUAL SIGNED agreement between the customer and Blizzard? Should be interesting to see how that plays out in the courts.

    Just because some ignorant judge with no clue in modern technology makes an uninformed decision doesn't mean that is the final word on the matter. If it did then Microsoft would have been broken up years ago due to ignorant judicial decisions.

  • IsturiIsturi Member Posts: 1,509
    Originally posted by phrank

    Originally posted by Nadia


     
    you sign the EULA, you give Blizzards Warden the right to review your computer



     

    Interesting take on the decision. I don't see where I ever "signed" any EULA or TOS.

    So just how did the judge get around the fact that there is NO ACTUAL SIGNED agreement between the customer and Blizzard? Should be interesting to see how that plays out in the courts.

    Just because some ignorant judge with no clue in modern technology makes an uninformed decision doesn't mean that is the final word on the matter. If it did then Microsoft would have been broken up years ago due to ignorant judicial decisions.

     

    It is a legal signature when you hit the "I AGREE " button. That is a very well know and very Judical law.

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  • pronetpronet Member Posts: 13

    glider works fine still for me, anyone want a new character i can have it done 1-2 weeks :D

     

    Clicking agree honestly isnt a binding agreement imo if i honestly agreed to anything i would have signed something either in writing or digital signature, my pet could have clicked the damn agree button for all they know.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by Retrad


    I have used MMOglider since it first came out...
    Why?
    Reason 1:
    Leveling the first time was fun. It was new and exciting and there were lots of people to play with. The second time was less fun, less people to play with, and the replay factor of WoW is (and lets be honest here) worthless.
    So when I decided to reroll on another server where my friends currently had their mains, but of a different faction before BC came out, I botted.
    I've played MMOs since EQ and even EQ with the mundane grind I still had more fun leveling up my main and all my alts and never once thought of cheating. Leveling in EQ WAS FUN!!!
    Leveling in WoW is tedios, lame, and not fun.
    Reason 2:
    I realized I could make money...A LOT OF MONEY.
    I won't tell you how much I made in total, but the most I ever made in a week was 1.5k.
    I learned a lot about business strategy, believe it or not. So at least it was a learning experience.
    Reason 3:
    I like a challenge.
    With people getting banned left and right and with new people getting into botting and not knowing how to correctly pull the wool over Blizzards eyes I saw it as a challenge to get one over Blizzard.
    I have never been banned, and not many botters can  say that. I'd say less than 100 botters have never been banned. It takes smarts, skills, and knowing the limits.
    Reason 4:
    "Cuz it's fun to do bad things"
    ^ Anyone who can tell me where that quote is from will earn eleventy1 billion cool points.

     

    This pretty much makes any opinion you have on any topic here invalid.  Fine that you are secure in what you have done and accept your actions.  

     

    However, you now have no credibility on pretty much any subject in any forum here, except those detailing cheating and breaking the rules.  Any other opinion you have on other topics is tainted, because you actively became part of the problem and put everyone elses concerns below your own, no matter what the outcome was.  The rationalization of why you did it doesn't matter, just that you did. 

     

    I'm sure you will say you don't care, but if you didn't you wouldn't be here in the first place. 

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798
    Originally posted by phrank

     (judge's) decision doesn't mean that is the final word on the matter.

    I agree and this will probably get appealed to the 9th circuit - altho I dont expect much for a change

     

    Blizzard had several legal points but the point involving  evading Warden being a "non-literal" DMCA violation has some people concerned

     

    I dont think players recognize that when they accept the EULA,

    they are giving permission to Warden to access anything on their computer   (if this ruling stands)

     

    I'm confident that Blizzard won't abuse it

    but this DMCA precedent, if allowed to stand, could be abused by another company

  • AndurinAndurin Member UncommonPosts: 125

    Wow.  I am 100% against bots or any kind of cheating program in games but clearly Blizzard used some fancy lawyers to get the outcome that they wanted.  Seriously,  this ruling means that anyone that violates a TOS on any software can now be sued for copyright infringement? 

     

    That is absolutely ludacris folks.  Sit back and think about the implications that this can potentially have on the gaming world, not only that but software in general.  It's an absolutely ridiculous ruling.

     

    I guess that this was the only way blizzard thought they could shut Glider down, which I can't blame blizz for doing that in order to protect the game but like I said before, this could potentially be a very serious problem in the future.

  • LamarakLamarak Member Posts: 61

    God i feel old reading these, the way you all try to scrutinize everything. It seems very simple to this old fart.

     

    Blizzard ( or any company that is) put out said product and they simply are  trying to the best of their ability and with in the law that is avaible to protect their property that they feel is endangering it.

    The bottom line is if you dont agree with what they are asking you to sign then dont sign, its that simple. This is no different than a person whos renting a house from an owner and the renter want to change things in the house that in the lease he agreed to not change . If in the lease it says you cant sublet, just because you disagree with it does it mean ahhh heck with it, its not right he put that in the lease, im going to sublet anyway because i feel i should be able to.

    You sublet, the owner has a right to take action against you. This is no different. A company size or its income does not mean it gives up its right to take action against something thats hurts their business.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by Andurin


    Wow.  I am 100% against bots or any kind of cheating program in games but clearly Blizzard used some fancy lawyers to get the outcome that they wanted.  Seriously,  this ruling means that anyone that violates a TOS on any software can now be sued for copyright infringement? 
     


     

    That might be true, but there are a lot of 'ifs' in that equation.  If you purposefully circumvent, if your actions are designed to cause harm to the other customers, if you had previously been asked to stop, if your are profiting off the property of someone else and especially if it violates your agreement with them and causes harm, etc etc.

     

    I am no legal wizard, but I don't see the issue. Maybe I am wrong, but this seems to be a company vs company issue?

     

     

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798
    Originally posted by Lamarak

    You sublet, the owner has a right to take action against you. This is no different. A company size or its income does not mean it gives up its right to take action against something thats hurts their business.

    it is different - Blizzard didnt stop at breach of contract (the EULA)

     

    with this suit,

    Blizzard is legally defining that *any* EULA breach is also copyright infringement

  • ThradarThradar Member Posts: 949

    There goes about a million subscribers.  :D

    when I played I knew A LOT of people who paid real money for (insert something here).  It was ridiculous.  I also discounted every single one of them as "gamers" and placed them on my "posers" list.

  • grimbojgrimboj Member Posts: 2,102

    Come on guys botting is the smaller issue here.

    The terms of service are just supposed to be a small set of rules that explain how blizzard continues to make so much money. The judge ruling for this reason is just anothr bit of human rights down the pan.

    --
    Note: PlayNC will refuse to allow you access to your account if you forget your password and can't provide a scanned image of the product key for the first product you purchased..... LOL

  • JosherJosher Member Posts: 2,818

    Please explain how my personal rights will be threatened if I install a game, play the game, then uninstall the game when I'm done?  If when I installed it, the company asks to hack into my credit card info, I'll happily tell them to shove it.  I'll know this because reviews of the game will tell me and I won't have to buy games from said company.

  • AndurinAndurin Member UncommonPosts: 125
    Originally posted by Daffid011

    Originally posted by Andurin


    Wow.  I am 100% against bots or any kind of cheating program in games but clearly Blizzard used some fancy lawyers to get the outcome that they wanted.  Seriously,  this ruling means that anyone that violates a TOS on any software can now be sued for copyright infringement? 
     


     

    That might be true, but there are a lot of 'ifs' in that equation.  If you purposefully circumvent, if your actions are designed to cause harm to the other customers, if you had previously been asked to stop, if your are profiting off the property of someone else and especially if it violates your agreement with them and causes harm, etc etc.

     

    I am no legal wizard, but I don't see the issue. Maybe I am wrong, but this seems to be a company vs company issue?

     

     

     

    I'm not a legal person either.  I completely support blizzard and the mission they have to rid the game of botters and gold sellers.  From my limited legal knowledge, I understand that anyone that now violates the TOS on any software will then be able to be sued by the company for copyright infringment.  Meaning, this case could be used as precedent in future cases involving simple TOS violations.  Which concerns me.  I'm sure if it is that big of a deal that we will be hearing more about it in the coming days/weeks.

     

    But, like I said I' m not a legal guuru either.  Is there someone that has some knowledge about legal matters that can clerify this for us? 

  • -Zeno--Zeno- Member CommonPosts: 1,298

    They should make their bot OSS.  Then Blizzard is screwed.

    The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

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