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If you have any respect for yourself and your hard earned money, do not buy this game. Don't even look at it.
Why you ask?
Simple:
1- ReaKKtor media do not care about you. They care about making some cash and running the game into the ground. You WILL lost items on a regular basis and they will not replace them. For obvious reasons this can be understood, but when they can't even verify their backups so that when you lose an entire character, you know something is wrong.
2- They are clueless. You can tell that this game is being run by a group of amatures who thought one day "hey, let's make an MMORPG", found some of their buddies who could write some code and a couple other guys who could do modeling and poof, Neocron was born. Seriously, untrained chimps could write cleaner, more stable code. Where you might have a bug once in a while on some other, more professional, MMORPG, this one crashes regularly, lags to high heaven and has crap FPS when you are in a zone with more than 10 people.
3- GM Corruption has and will always be a problem. Because ReaKKtor can't be bothered to pay GM's, they recruit them from the playerbase. Obviously, you could see why this is bad. Players have bias towards other people and like others. Those people that they like will get 'rare' items spawned for them or they will be overcapped by a GM, giving them an unfair advantage over everyone else.
4- And finally. The customer service sucks. If you are lucky enough to get a response from the help desk, it will either be written in german or they'll pretty much just say "go screw yourself".
Save your money. Keep looking for an MMORPG that is run by a company who wants to see their game succeed.
Comments
Hmm, my first post.
Well, while some of what you say has some validity, as in there are some problems with connectivity causing lag / game crashes, it's not nearly enuff for anyone to miss out on what is a real hidden gem in the sea of oh so similar mmorpg themes. Try it! You'll be pleasantly surprised.
You obviously have an agenda here, probably a bitter taste in your mouth over character transfers to the new Neocron2 game. Everyone else seems able to deal with it so please take your narrow minded "opinion" elsewhere. It's one thing to offer a review or summarize your gaming experience for others to read but you seem to just want to grind an axe. You'd be better served and have more credibility if you didn't come here to whine about a game you have so lovingly played for 2 years.
As it stands now the game is about to go into a new phase with a whole revamp of the gaming action and the graphics. I notice that you omit this in your post and that you also omit the fact you will be playing this new expansion as well.
Next time you post you should really try to be honest, people will take you seriously. As it stands now you come off as a petulant, tamtrum throwning boy. One day you will have to join the adult world, so why not start now.
bon jour
First off: I completely agree with the threadstarter.
Second: I don't think he's "narrow minded" at all. He just voiced his opinion, the same you did and I am doing also.
Fact is: There were in the NC2 OpenBeta Bugs that were fixed in Retail NC1 dating back to NC1 Beta 4 more than 2 years ago. In addition to that most of the severe bugs from NC1 are still in NC2 plus completely new bugs. Don'T get me wrong, but I expect that after 2 years of Retail only minor bugs and no major bugs should be in a MMORPG from it's Beta.
And that what he told you about the GMs is absolutely true, or how can you explain to see running around a monk of rank 52/35 runcasting a Holy E-Beam AND with Blessed Deflector/Shelter/Heal all the time? It is a fact that some of the GMs simply help their friends. You can't say how many GMs do that, I personally think very few, but they still are there.
The "whole revamp of graphics" are just some better textures. They promised to "upgrade" a six year old Genesis 3D engine (DX7) to DX9. Judging by what I saw: There are better textures, but more than few lines of code for the DX9 there isn't.
NOTE: This is my point of view, judging from OpenBeta of NC2 and playing NC1 for 2 years now.
And at last dear Van_Vilet: Plz don't attack the poster but the post itsself. That is the base of any discussion. Everything else is more or less flaming.
First and foremost. Either you were not a current player of NC1 and your only experience with ReaKKtor media is through the beta, or you haven't been playing long enough to notice the long string of bugs that were supposedly fixed, assured us by the staff of ReaKKtor media, that still exist in NC2.
If by "everyone else" you mean the 20 or so people I have spoken with personally that have cancelled their account. Or the other 40 or so that have stated they will cancel their accounts, then i doubt you know what you are talking about. I haven't a need for an agenda. If someone wants to play this game, I won't have a problem with it, they are wasting their own money.
With the so-called enhancements you mention, you forget to include that, even with DX9, the game is still laggy. It still renders at low fps when you enter a zone with people in it.. And many of the bugs in NC1 are now in NC2. Don't forget that most of those new features you spout off about also are not completed and have not been fully tested. Wisdom of Ceres? Not tested, could throw off the entire balance of PvP or PvM or the economy because noone knows what they are supposed to do. Hacknet? Not fully implemented. Definatly not fully tested. According to ReaKKtor, hacknet will be an integral part of op-fighting, but the op-fighting aspect has not been tested.
If warning people about what they might encounter should the download, purchase and install NC2 is childish, then I'll wear the lable proudly. However, you have neglected to refute that many of the bugs in NC1 and NC2 are still there along with the brand new bugs brought about with this "new" version of the same old game.
Finally, my gripe was not really about the bugs. I played 2 years with the bugs. I learned to deal with them and in truth, other than fataling when zoning into a zone you know is populated by your enemy, mostly they weren't that bad. My true issue is that I spent a month leveling and equipping a character to bring over to NC2. I knew there would be bugs, but I could accept them just like I had in the past. But my character disappeared. He didn't lose items. He didnt lose equipment. They are still with him, in his quickbelt and where ever in oblivion he is, he still has his items. So now I pad for a month worth of service to level a char near cap only to have him deleted because they cannot or do not verify the integrity of their backups, thus causing them to use a backup from when my character did not exist.
Tell me honestly. Would you be happy if you lost not just items or time, but an entire character that was equipped and setup to be transferred to NC2? I doubt it.
as long as the GM's are unpaid there will *ALWAYS* be GM corruption. no one does anything for free, welcome to the human race
KK will use the old "we are a professional company" remark when people ask them why they run thier forum like a concentration camp, but then they dont even pay GM's to look after thier game. sad
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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guys
no flames please
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
The thing is about that, anyone that played alot of neocron 1 *will* clearly see that neocron 2 has the exact same problems as neocron 1....high pings out of europe, low fps even on machines that can run demanding games such as doom 3 well, long syncs, fatals, etc...its all still there, and it all still disrupts gameplay.
During my week in open beta I encountered multiple bugs that I can remember from neocron 1 open beta 4.
Neocron 2 had some great looking features and changes. One english server was going to be good for population. Things they were adding such as WoC skills, interactive player items, apartment dressing, new graphical engine, item tracking (which actually shoulnd't even be a FEATURE, it should be default with any mmorpg and hte fact that neocron 1 DIDN'T have it was a big downside to the game), etc etc..
The problem is they also said they had fixed bugs and made fps better with dx9 support. Unfortunately the sad truth is, they fixed very few bugs...most people can't tell the difference between nc1 and nc2 when it comes to fatals, long syncs, bad fps, etc. A small minority can, and we can be sure that this minority won't be banned from the neocron.jafc.de forums anytime soon. For the rest of us we just got nc1 with some new features. Oh wait, waht about those new features? What about WoC skills, player shops, item tracking? Its still not implamented...what did they do for 2 years worth of pushing DoY back? Make a few new epic missions, some new character skins and some apartment items? Wow...
Most people simply aren't impressed, the population will dive again just as it did in nc1. Ive learned my lesson once, no need to learn it a second time...
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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Neocron was a bust.
Reakktor is a company that lies and doesnt care about the people that play the game. They have like 5 programmers who arent that great, and mislead and bullshit as much as possible to make a buck.
Should just put that game down like the bitch it is.
Weapons of Mass Destruction
www.teamwmd.com
As said before, the most annoying thing isthat Bugs from the OPEN BETA of NEOCRON 1 r ingame in NC2,
The FPS isnt a thing of ur PC , its exactly the same as the RESIST SKILL, a mistery and varies from PC to PC.
Another Problem is that KK is really good with promising, but most of the time they just guess a date for a new feature i think and then they can't fullfill their promise.
Just to mention some FEATURES of NEOCRON 2 RETAIL * thats what Nc2 should be NOW *
- Playershops
- Neocron Zoo
- cigarettes
- Gliders * they doesnt work probalby*
and thats just a few
It's a game with a REALLY good idea, but its too buggy i think.
I played Neocron since BETA 3 of NEOCRON 1.
Since end of my free month of Retailstart of NC2, my account is canceled cuz of thie features i listed which aren't ingame.
Sorry for the crappy english not my mothertongue and i'm not the best at school
I'm wondering why alright? Why you're bashing Neocron here on the MMORPG forums while writing things like "Hell, I play all times of the day different days of the week." on the official Neocron forums.
Link -> http://forum.neocron.com/showpost.php?p=1651848&postcount=36
When you read threads like this...make up your own minds.
N
I read the NC forums every couple weeks to see whats going on.
I was one of the people that bought the game with the lie of an expansion coming up, and I personally like to keep track of companies that rip me off with false promises and then never back up what they say.
If im not mistaken, mr. Lead Cop Bot (Nidhogg), were you not the person that had someone banned from the game/official forums for posts made on a forum having nothing to do with the official game? Blatant abuse of power, atleast from a casual observer.
And as for the Trigger post, I can understand his viewpoint as I was there once. When you spend so much time making a character and spending so much money on a game, its easy to play for people you have met in the game, rather than for the game itself. I would have to agree with Triggers post personally, and would also have to advise people not to buy this game as ReaKKtor is not a reliable company, let alone a company you can even trust.
I have recently just quit shadowbane waiting for a newer game to come up, but atleast I can leave UBI and WolfPack knowing I wasnt flat out lied to, which is the one thing I will always think when it comes to this game
And before you ask why I would even be posting here, its because I feel maybe I can help someone that might be browsing about a new game get a second thought and maybe rethink thier wanting to buy a game and support a company that so blatantly cares more about money than thier community, and is willing to lie so quickly if it brings them that extra buck.
Weapons of Mass Destruction
www.teamwmd.com
Not you though. You managed to get yourself banned from our forums all by yourself. Again, for the benefit of people reading this thread, bear in mind that some people's motivations are not entirely altruistic.
N
ooooh ooooh nidhogg do me next do me next
btw nidhogg how exactly do you/kk justify charging 12.95 euro (more then any other mmorpg) for a game thats clearly at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to support/population/bugs? I mean...I could see paying 12.95 euro / month to play an outstanding game that really stood above all other mmorpgs...then it would be fine. But Neocron is not only the most expensive mmorpg on the market right now, its also one of the most poorly supported. I mean come on, saturn had a 22 day backup. 22 days? My grandmothers pentium 2 email machine has better data redundancy then 22 days. Millions of businesses in the world would nearly go bankrupt if they lost 22 days worth of information.
Its so ironic that KK will use the excuse that neocron.jafc.de is a "professional" company forum when they are talking about policing it like a concentration camp, but then they will go ahead and have a 22 day roleback on thier server...which no "professional" company in the world would every dream of doing (losing 22 days of data).
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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If you look back on your forums banned list you'll see my account isnt banned, and I left in good standing and of my own accord. I was argueing intregity of a company, and it doesnt surprise that you would lie about that.
Fact is, yes you did get someone else banned for remarks made on a site unrelated to neocron, and it was a blatant misuse of power.
Here, I actually have the old email. So not only was I not banned from the forums, nor was I banned from game, I left of my own accord. So do me a favor nidhogg, dont lie.
Merchant Name: Reakktor Media GmbH
Merchant reference: ac-******
Time of agreement cancellation: 11/Mar/2003 21:38:19
Agreement cancelled by customer.
Weapons of Mass Destruction
www.teamwmd.com
If you insist.
Well first of all I don't think I need justify anything to you, Zone, after all you played Neocron for over two years. As for the backup situation, the Neocron servers are, of course, all backed up on a daily basis. The problem we had recently was caused by a piece of faulty hardware that regrettably corrupted all of our backups for the period you describe. That piece of hardware has naturally been replaced, in fact, the Neocron 2 servers are all entirely new.
BTW, Demon-Surge, you pasted a game cancellation, I'm referring to your forum ban (as a moderator that's what concerns me the most). I double-checked my records and I can confirm that your account is tagged as banned. If you wish to accuse me of lying about it, try and do it on our forums using that account.
N
Paste the records. I havent had an active account in that game for a year and a half, meaning I cant post. Check the records, post the date of my so called forums ban and the IP I had at the time. I have lived in Victoria, British columbia for last two years, and it would be easy to verify your results.
Im willing to call you out on this one Nid, I came on to voice my opinion, not to have someone try to lie to my face. And I double checked, all my previous posts have since been deleted and any post ever made by me on those forums is gone now. Good job.
Weapons of Mass Destruction
www.teamwmd.com
Your last post on the Neocron forums can be found here:
http://forum.neocron.com/showthread.php?p=376432#post376432
Since you have given your permission to post the IP...
The IP Address is: 207.6.174.232. The host name is: d207-6-174-232.bchsia.telus.net
Telus.net is a Canadian ISP which confirms your location. Incidentally, as you've specified a custom user title you don't see "Banned User" there but any VBulletin admin will confirm that that's perfectly normal. My intention is not to publicly drag you over the coals but I have never lied to anyone about anything I do professionally; there simply isn't any reason for me to do so.
N
/edit - BTW, I respect the fact that you came here to voice your opinion but you have to allow people to retort, that's what a public message board is all about. You have stated that we are "liars" and that you left the forums in good standing. Further, you have stated that none of your posts remain and that we could not link you to your geographical location. These statements have been proven to be incorrect but I'm not going to go as far as calling you a liar, I'm more inclined to believe that your memory of events isn't clear, after all it was two years ago. Maybe you should consider whether your other beliefs are equally flawed?
We have had a forum amnesty for banned users since then (as ZoneseeK will confirm) and I would be willing to lift your ban if you wished to take another look around for old time's sake. This is a serious offer.
So what you are saying is that every single person that has had 'Banned User', out of al lof them, none have ever had a custom user title? I seriously keep all my emails, I have none stating I was banned, I asked you to show the date of me being banned.
Not only that, you can only see 3 of my 300 some posts. Show me one post where I ever acted or treated anyone with anything that would result in me getting banned. Post my banned reason and the date of the ban Nid, im not going to let you lie your way out of this one.
Weapons of Mass Destruction
www.teamwmd.com
Please read the edit on my previous post. I could remove your custom title which would reveal the banned status but then I'm sure you'd just accuse me of tampering with the evidence. If this forum allowed attachments I'd post a screengrab of your account in the admin panel, but it's not really all that important. I have responded to your request for clarification in sufficient detail for an unbiased reader to draw his or her own conclusions.
My intention throughout this thread was to address those unbiased readers and to impress on them the need to take threads such as this with a pinch of salt. Come and see for yourself whether the game is any good or not.
N
If you looked at the IP's that did the beta, you would see a few from victoria, with mine, and fellow peoples from the past that played with me that retried the game during the 10 days and were disgusted with how little has been done.
The expansion was promised to us within a time period, and it took two years for it to come out, as the expansion promised for free, as a sequel, which it was not.
And I asked for the date I was banned, and the reason. If I was banned, it wasnt while I was using the forums, nor for any reason I can think of for I was never one to flame, or use other forums to talk shit about a game I was currently playing. I make my statements, and let it be that. So I would like to know, if I was banned, why?
And you have yet to justify how you can ban people for comments made on other forums, where does that break any rule within the game, or what rules does it violate? I still dont understand that one either.
Weapons of Mass Destruction
www.teamwmd.com
If you insist.
Well first of all I don't think I need justify anything to you, Zone, after all you played Neocron for over two years. As for the backup situation, the Neocron servers are, of course, all backed up on a daily basis. The problem we had recently was caused by a piece of faulty hardware that regrettably corrupted all of our backups for the period you describe. That piece of hardware has naturally been replaced, in fact, the Neocron 2 servers are all entirely new.
BTW, Demon-Surge, you pasted a game cancellation, I'm referring to your forum ban (as a moderator that's what concerns me the most). I double-checked my records and I can confirm that your account is tagged as banned. If you wish to accuse me of lying about it, try and do it on our forums using that account.
N
I played Neocron when it was generally cheaper then other mmorpg's, in hopes of your expansion that was going to turn the game around. Unfortunately your expansion is a big pile of buggy shit thats no better then neocron1....AND you want significantly more per month for it....AFTER CHARGING your player base for the thing which was supposed to be free. Wow what a load of shit that all is.
As for the backup problem, how is it that no other companies have ever had a problem that led to a 22 day backup being placed on a server? How does the current data go bad AND the backup data go bad? What are you guys doing there, splitting a single IDE hard drive into two partitions and using one partition for the server and the other for backup? HAHAHAHA! Sorry but in any professional case, there should be DAILY media backups that are taken off-site..there should also be solutions available to make up for software failure like a high end raid that can still operate after losing MULTIPLE drives. Im sorry if I just cant understand it, but I install small-medium networks on a daily basis and even the SMALLEST networks we install of only 5-10 clients and a server still have enough data redundancy that they will NEVER lose 22 days worth of data that would honestly cripple some of our customers.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
I just cant fathom 22 days, unless KKs offices got hit with a nuke or something doesnt make sense.
Anyway like you said, I played for over 2 years and thats where it ends. KK's lies pulled me in good...right up to the point where saturn crashed i still even had a little thread of hope that neocron2 might actually do some good for the game. The crash just proved it was futile and was the final nail in the coffin for me. I got 11 people playing this game, i tried to help kk at first as much as i could. Futile efforts, I got nothing in return. All those players have left due to broken promises or other bullshit from KK.
Its sad, but its over...ive promised myself never to get involved in small companies games again. Cya in wow, for now im sticking to UO.
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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Hopefully not much longer till wow
www.teamwmd.com
I dissagree with your post, I played neocron a couple of months after it came out, and played for around 9months.
It provided me with a lot of fun and I really enjoyed it, after getting 3 skilled characters in different skills the re-playability did drop for me, and i moved on (to eve-online)
I had to use customer services 2 or 3 times, always got a responce and no problems, I wasnt aware they were unpaid staff, i believed they were.
as far as loosing stuff...
I never lost a single item to a bug, maybe got killed once or twice due to a bug like screen freeze, but never had things vanishing or such like some people seem to claim. the GM´s i met always seemed friendly and helpful.
I think neocron is a good game, I was upset to see the expansion (thats release was planned to be out before i even left) started off as free, and is now a paid package, I assume this is due to finance problems for the company.
I dont think buying it is a waste of time, and 7 months of hard gaming was a good return on my original purchase.