It's certainly very interesting technology. I am really curious whether it is practical with the current infrastructure.
As far as what it would mean for the future of gaming, there are definetly valid concerns. We are talking about a big centralization of resources and control which is always problematic. I can think of any number of nightmare scenarios that could develop. There is definetly a 'slippery slope' aspect to this and the key to controlling it is to recognize when the situation gets to the ridiculous and stopping it before it gets to the tipping point. Until then this technology has a lot of benefits if done right.
They can take our lives, but they will never take our
FREEDOM
Effects
What about third world countries?
What about piracy?
What about phisical ownership of products?
What about control of content?
What about of control of user identity?
I wont be able to remain anonymous to OnLive, will I?
I wont be able to pass away the stuff I bought to friends, its illegal now, but they cant control it.
They will certainly secure the content so that it wont be crackable. People wont even have any files to mess with.
What if at some point big game corps start using only OnLive because of its "advantages"?
What about the purchase system being changed into a rental system?
I dont like how the entertainment industry is making its move. It has been a while since they keep trying to control stuff.
This isnt just about not needing to upgrade hardware. Its about copyrights mechanics subrepticiously being introduced. Its all fun and games untill you see the jail where you are. What about the decades fighting for rights, for freedom of speech, freedom of thought, for the utter freedom and lack of control people enjoy on internet. How many billions of money people avoid wasting on the entertainment industry because on internet?
Lets debate the effects of OnLive, not just the good stuff that is being advertised, but the shady business strategy behind it.
Its like when you hear those rumours about governments trying to control the internet, entertainment industry creating digital seals, internet providers traffic shapping. People, dont be stupid, think about what OnLive represent for the entertainment industry, for the government, for the consumers, for everyone involved.
What about third world countries? they dont get to use it, much like many things we have. What about piracy? pretty much a non-issue with the onLive platform What about phisical ownership of products? Thats so 5 years ago What about control of content? The platform controls ultimately the release.. just like consoles. What about of control of user identity? You have an account.. its private, you can choose the degree of "sharing" I wont be able to remain anonymous to OnLive, will I? Ofcourse you will. I wont be able to pass away the stuff I bought to friends, its illegal now, but they cant control it. Im sorry, I dont understand. What if at some point big game corps start using only OnLive because of its "advantages"? Thats there choice, just as people have PC/Xbox/PS3 exclusives. What about the purchase system being changed into a rental system? Awesome, PC games had problems with this previously. I dont like how the entertainment industry is making its move. It has been a while since they keep trying to control stuff. Get used to it... its the entertainment industry and it always rides the front of the wave. This isnt just about not needing to upgrade hardware. Its about copyrights mechanics subrepticiously being introduced. Its all fun and games untill you see the jail where you are. What about the decades fighting for rights, for freedom of speech, freedom of thought, for the utter freedom and lack of control people enjoy on internet. How many billions of money people avoid wasting on the entertainment industry because on internet? Your going off on some strange tangent here. This isnt the end of the free world, its a convenient method of content delivery. Lets debate the effects of OnLive, not just the good stuff that is being advertised, but the shady business strategy behind it. Its a business, it makes money, just like the Xbox, just like the PS3, just like PC makers. To assume this is some evil plot by the commies to take over the free world is silly at worst. Pathetic at best. Its like when you hear those rumours about governments trying to control the internet, entertainment industry creating digital seals, internet providers traffic shapping. People, dont be stupid, think about what OnLive represent for the entertainment industry, for the government, for the consumers, for everyone involved. A new efficient, cost effective, convenient method of content delivery which helps to push the graphical possibilities and help prevent piracy in a simple yet effective way that has minimal effect on your personal property?
Im sorry but you need to simmer down. Your blowing things way out of proportion and sounding like a raving mad conspiracy theorist.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
They should at least give the choice to download the game if the customer decides to buy the game especialy for those who actualy have a PC that can handle the game they want.
Whoever said in this topic Community created Mods suck, clearly dosn't have a clue. I mean Counter-Strike,Day of Defeat (i could continue the list till eternity) are all user created content and seem to be going well.
Let's not forget the countless tools for server controls that are created too make you even able to run your games properly.
So with Onlive (a technology that has been discussed for over a decade) you will either pay a monthly fee and purchase games or pay a monthly fee high enough to make it profitable to all the development companies. This is still a long way off before it become mentionable. Retailoers and publishers are going to do everything to stop it too. This would destroy Gamestop and online game retailers. You would also never get to purchase a used game. Full price everytime. Then if they choose just a single monthly fee it will have to be high make devs profit. Then you have to decide if you play enough games to warrant the service.
It won't be worth it to me until the internet is latency free. So whenever we start using lasers on satellites to transfer data I guess. It's just to soon.
Just a correction. When I buy a product (game, music) they say you cant redistribute to someone else. Years ago you could, but they noticed that there was a lot of money in the usuable products market. Thats why now they created limitations for people to redistribute products.
If you buy lets say, GTA IV, play it for a month, then pass it away on ebay, its a crime. If you sell it to your friend, its a crime.
They even got to the point where you can only install a product a few times. (recently with Spore)
So one of the issues you didnt understood by my lack of communication skills on the previous topic was that with OnLive, after a while, since due to the way the new system will work people wont need to have the physical product (that will be their excuse, listen closelly to what they answer about it, they wont mention it), and its not like they will give you a cd/dvd copy of the product you bought, if they do, you will have to spend more money, maybe pay an extra "redistributable license rights tax" or maybe the product will come with x number of reinstallations uses. If you stop renting, they wont give you access to it anymore, its obvious. So you are bound to pay, every fucking month, whether you use it or not. Right now, you just need to pay for p2p mmos or games that require cd-keys to play online. We are talking reality here. And even if you dislike it, you can resell the cd-key online or sell your items/account for someone else. Even if they say its illegal, the fact that your time and effort spent and the freedom of access is more important then their ridiculous high proffit. Its not they do games for gamers anymore anyway. Its like, who can vomit an unfinished product first and then do it again with another product.
You cant have it, you cant sell, destroy, rent, change whatever you bought. You will be in prison, not like today. The price we will pay will be too high, that what me and others are foreseeing.
Everything you can do now, even though the entertainment industry say its illegal (not because people agree with them, but because they choose their own rules and the rules about copy rights were loobied three generations ago for reasons dont exist anymore and cant be enforced due to internet and the new paradigm of democracy of access, freedom of information and the practical impossibility of ownership of ideas), but you can and everyone does it as a socially acceptable conduct, because they cant arrest or tax or fiscalize everyone who does so, but with OnLine, they will solve this problem, OnLive is a trojan horse that will allow them CONTROL. There wont be more money outside of OnLive because of that, like there is today where people buy and resell and rent whatever, even if they people didnt bought a "redistributable rights license".
OnLive is a virus, it will spread and heavilly gimp the other systems. It will spread because government will love it because it is a public service for them (as if they dont know already), offer a candy and get them. Right now they cant get us. It will spread because the entertainment industry will make more money from the rental system, wich is the golden mine of our generation (games industry is the most lucrative entertainment industry, and thats because rental system on p2p mmorpgs), there wont be money outside of their cycle. The group efforts will work so well and it will grow.
Soon Publishers that dont get in will be at a loss, directly and indirectly due to the sheer popularity of OnLive. Who knows what kind of moves people in favor of OnLive method will do to hurt Publishers who dont accept their method? Lobby to create rules to avoid problems (that exist today, but they dont see, untill compare to OnLive system), Lobby to make Publishers work harder, close doors at major media gates.
OnLive gathered effort will have so many resources scathered everywhere compared to anyone who opposes them that at some point, the % of products outside of OnLive radius of control will be negligible. Eventually the fatal blow will come, its not like "there will always be resistance". They will buy the resistance outright or destroy it.
Once every product is working under the new system, government/entertainment industry will have an effective tool to control.
full implementation of copyrights,
full control of content and therefore ideas. Since everything will be under OnLive, they will be able to close, suspend, change whatever they wish. Suddenly they will decide what is ok and what is not, and their word will be law. Someone remembers how the war publicity worked in Germany prior to the Second World War (it was everywhere and it caused effect). Soon they will be able not only to decide what to allow, but enforce what they want in peoples games and it will cause effect.
If they want to put nationalist messages or hate messages they will. If the economy is in a crise and they want to incentivate consume, they will be able to put such messages in games. if they want to say something is bad or good, they can. Its too much power. You might think you wont fall for any of those, but after some time, kids will grow with those values rooted on them, like how arians were the superior race. There are still people alive who believe that.
There wont be discussions like there are today. It will be what they decide and end of story. "BECAUSE WE CAN."
OnLive will allow them that.
Conspiracy theory in the morning?
I hope someone create a big post about it, with all the concerns/effects in a better way than my non native english and 24 years old of experience/knowledge would ever be able to.
They should at least give the choice to download the game if the customer decides to buy the game especialy for those who actualy have a PC that can handle the game they want.
Just a correction. When I buy a product (game, music) they say you cant redistribute to someone else. Years ago you could, but they noticed that there was a lot of money in the usuable products market. Thats why now they created limitations for people to redistribute products. And you now why they did it, cause to many people can not obey the law, if people would have been honost there would be no reason to creat limitations.
If you buy lets say, GTA IV, play it for a month, then pass it away on ebay, its a crime. If you sell it to your friend, its a crime. Don't think it is a crime to sell second hand games. They even got to the point where you can only install a product a few times. (recently with Spore) Contact EA and problem solved if you need for some reason to install it more times, so whats the issue? So one of the issues you didnt understood by my lack of communication skills on the previous topic was that with OnLive, after a while, since due to the way the new system will work people wont need to have the physical product (that will be their excuse, listen closelly to what they answer about it, they wont mention it), and its not like they will give you a cd/dvd copy of the product you bought, if they do, you will have to spend more money, maybe pay an extra "redistributable license rights tax" or maybe the product will come with x number of reinstallations uses. This is in fact not much different then lets say Direct2Drive where you also only get a copy of the game on your computer and not a visical box, and with that many others are very similar where you do not get the box due to it installing on your harddrive from the server. Also there is NO install of games with Onlive. If you stop renting, they wont give you access to it anymore, its obvious. Kinda a easy solution, simply don't rent but just buy them as thats also a option just like renting is a option. So you are bound to pay, every fucking month, whether you use it or not. Right now, you just need to pay for p2p mmos or games that require cd-keys to play online. We are talking reality here. And even if you dislike it, you can resell the cd-key online or sell your items/account for someone else. Wel if you don't like the game on Onlive what is preventing you to stop the service of that game? Even if they say its illegal, the fact that your time and effort spent and the freedom of access is more important then their ridiculous high proffit. Its not they do games for gamers anymore anyway. Its like, who can vomit an unfinished product first and then do it again with another product. Not sure what you mean with this, it's like you already have seen Onlive work for some time. You cant have it, you cant sell, destroy, rent, change whatever you bought. You will be in prison, not like today. The price we will pay will be too high, that what me and others are foreseeing. Sorry but I don't see gamers looking at it like this in my opinion. Everything you can do now, even though the entertainment industry say its illegal (not because people agree with them, but because they choose their own rules and the rules about copy rights were loobied three generations ago for reasons dont exist anymore and cant be enforced due to internet and the new paradigm of democracy of access, freedom of information and the practical impossibility of ownership of ideas), but you can and everyone does it as a socially acceptable conduct, because they cant arrest or tax or fiscalize everyone who does so, but with OnLine, they will solve this problem, OnLive is a trojan horse that will allow them CONTROL. There wont be more money outside of OnLive because of that, like there is today where people buy and resell and rent whatever, even if they people didnt bought a "redistributable rights license". OnLive is a virus, it will spread and heavilly gimp the other systems. It will spread because government will love it because it is a public service for them (as if they dont know already), offer a candy and get them. Right now they cant get us. It will spread because the entertainment industry will make more money from the rental system, wich is the golden mine of our generation (games industry is the most lucrative entertainment industry, and thats because rental system on p2p mmorpgs), there wont be money outside of their cycle. The group efforts will work so well and it will grow. Soon Publishers that dont get in will be at a loss, directly and indirectly due to the sheer popularity of OnLive. Who knows what kind of moves people in favor of OnLive method will do to hurt Publishers who dont accept their method? Lobby to create rules to avoid problems (that exist today, but they dont see, untill compare to OnLive system), Lobby to make Publishers work harder, close doors at major media gates. OnLive gathered effort will have so many resources scathered everywhere compared to anyone who opposes them that at some point, the % of products outside of OnLive radius of control will be negligible. Eventually the fatal blow will come, its not like "there will always be resistance". They will buy the resistance outright or destroy it. Once every product is working under the new system, government/entertainment industry will have an effective tool to control. And you think goverment/entertainmentdoesn't have that "tool" already?.............. full implementation of copyrights, full control of content and therefore ideas. Since everything will be under OnLive, they will be able to close, suspend, change whatever they wish. Suddenly they will decide what is ok and what is not, and their word will be law. Someone remembers how the war publicity worked in Germany prior to the Second World War (it was everywhere and it caused effect). Soon they will be able not only to decide what to allow, but enforce what they want in peoples games and it will cause effect. If they want to put nationalist messages or hate messages they will. If the economy is in a crise and they want to incentivate consume, they will be able to put such messages in games. if they want to say something is bad or good, they can. Its too much power. You might think you wont fall for any of those, but after some time, kids will grow with those values rooted on them, like how arians were the superior race. There are still people alive who believe that. Hmm I am glad I do not think that way.......sorry but seriously its scary to see people who I asume are gamers to have a thought procces like you just explained, just hope that it might be your not native English that it might sound worse then you might have wanted it to sound.....I only hope..... There wont be discussions like there are today. It will be what they decide and end of story. "BECAUSE WE CAN." OnLive will allow them that. Conspiracy theory in the morning?
I hope someone create a big post about it, with all the concerns/effects in a better way than my non native english and 24 years old of experience/knowledge would ever be able to.
As a gamer only thing that should matter is "COOL MORE GAME OPTIONS!" atleast that what I and many of my online friends feel about this, imagine people thinking thhis way before we had home-computers, Oh wait we had them back them aswell saying the end is near, oh wait did we have millions of people who didn't beleive in planes and where against it, well kinda goes for most things that show progress, many see only the issue's or have concerns instead of looking at the bigger picture. Okay realistic here> How many people complain about lag, now for some reason most THINK it's because of the game, but the amount of lag whines I read with games I either have zero or very minimal lag with them shows me that many get lag not due to the game but due to their system or internet connection. How many people make topics about the incredible hugh sizes of games these day's? Having little more then 4TB total HD space would make it a none issue for me, but I do not expect each and every person willing or wanting to have so much HD. How many people are NOT able to play high end looking games? I am able but for now choose not to, before I made my 4400+AMD, 7950GT/512, X-Fi ElitePro, 4TB+ HD, 4Gb ram, I used to upgrade/replace my system about every 8/10 months, since I have this system for some reason I can not be bordered upgrading, though I do not max out games, medium sure looks very good and with most MMORPG I have little to no performance issue's, trust me if I want I could be the best of the best and for some reason when I was younger and not really had the money only to work hard for it I upgraded, these day's when money isn't a issue at all for me, for some reason I feel no need to upgrade. Perhaps because after so many years I just know that even if you have hte best system money offers you will NEVER be able to benifith form it other then perhaps maxing your games but thats still miles away from what such system would be able to really handle, often when new gear is released it seems like a period of 1.5/2 years before one can really benifith from such system, but hey thats just me, others might feel completely different about why and when to upgrade. How many developers limit themselfs due to them wanting to catter towards a large player base, when devs put in shinny graphics we already know not many will be able to enjoy it the way it was meant, and personaly I rather see more people comming into games, especialy this genre needs them, then seeing only a select few able to play games. Anyway to me as a gamer the benifiths of Onlive definitly outway the issue's people are seeing. Like I said it's a options.......atleast for now it is......only time will tell what we really can expect from it.
The harshest form of DRM ever created and some of you think it's a good thing? To no longer own games is a good thing? You won't think this way when they start shutting down old classics that you can't play anymore because you don't own the disk. You won't think this way when your internet company starts charing you per bandwidth use. Or how about when to government gets involved and decides you can only play 4 hours a day. This is great for game companies, very very bad for gamers.
Funny coming from people from a MMO site. It would be similar to MMOs, except there is no presistent world. Why is it a bad thing? You don't "own" any MMOs but you still play them.
Convenient is a good thing. Paying LESS for hardware is a good thing. Not have to worry about settings and upgrads is a good thing.
And DRM is not necessarily a bad thing (unless u want to pirate) if it is NOT intrusive. Look at China. The reason why all the single player games stopped being developed and everyone moved to MMOs is becaues of piracy. No more single player games is BAD for gamers. And this DRM is as user friendly as possible ... people won't even know it is there and it won't cause any problems on your computer.
And i think the possibility of newer features (like you can probably let gamers try any game for 5 min) far outweigh all the problems, if it actually works.
And you think it is possible for the US govt to institute any restrictions (like 4 hrs a day) like that? It will never happen here in the US.
The problem is that no DRM system has been succesfull in abolishing piracy, not one. The only thing DRM has accomplished is causing massive issues for honest and legit buyers of games. You think I am talking out of my ass then scan tremendous amounts of boards and forums for DRM based games. Hell, go to Amazon.com and look at the feedback alone for the new Total War.
I won;t even get started on Steam either....
Well, OnLive does not have any additional DRM. The whole concept is a natural DRM so why would it be bad? I don't know whether it would deter piracy but that is not the point. The point is that it delivers a game in a convenient way (unlike today's DRM games).
Paying less for hardware is not a good thing in my book. I have a highend PC for many reasons gaming is just one of them. And I really don't mind settings and upgrades. I format my drives every 6 months and reinstall everything. Some people still like computers.
Uh? You are weird. You are saying spending MORE money to get the SAME functionality is a GOOD THING?
Plus while you don't mind settings and upgrades, many, including me, found that tedious and annoying. Do i really want to go into setting the resolution of each game? NOPE. It is 5 sec of my time i can't get back.
Sure, you can still go reformat your drives every 6 months (gosh, i did that 2 weeks ago .. wasted a whole day installing stuff) with Onlive. It does not prevent you from tweaking your computer to death.
This will never happen for one reason. The day their servers crash and go down for 16 hours that noone can play any games (imagine serious gamers buying games from this exclusively) from it is the day they lose all their business forever.
I guess no MMO is ever successful then .. oh wait ...
BIG QUESTION...wouldn't this kill PC's and hardware and not consoles? Seems like a mini console with a keyboard/mouse/controller to me. I'm not so sure how OnLIVE will turn out to be really. Now if I could play MMO's on that thing I'd buy, but it's no need.
First, most PC buyers have no idea about hardware anyway. They would buy anything cheap that let them surf the web and write their papers.
Secondly, if it kills all the gaming PCs market, so what? Calculators kill the business of slide rules. Automobile kills the market for horses. Internet kills the business of newspapers. We move on.
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It's certainly very interesting technology. I am really curious whether it is practical with the current infrastructure.
As far as what it would mean for the future of gaming, there are definetly valid concerns. We are talking about a big centralization of resources and control which is always problematic. I can think of any number of nightmare scenarios that could develop. There is definetly a 'slippery slope' aspect to this and the key to controlling it is to recognize when the situation gets to the ridiculous and stopping it before it gets to the tipping point. Until then this technology has a lot of benefits if done right.
Ok, enough.
They can take our lives, but they will never take our
FREEDOM
Effects
What about third world countries?
What about piracy?
What about phisical ownership of products?
What about control of content?
What about of control of user identity?
I wont be able to remain anonymous to OnLive, will I?
I wont be able to pass away the stuff I bought to friends, its illegal now, but they cant control it.
They will certainly secure the content so that it wont be crackable. People wont even have any files to mess with.
What if at some point big game corps start using only OnLive because of its "advantages"?
What about the purchase system being changed into a rental system?
I dont like how the entertainment industry is making its move. It has been a while since they keep trying to control stuff.
This isnt just about not needing to upgrade hardware. Its about copyrights mechanics subrepticiously being introduced. Its all fun and games untill you see the jail where you are. What about the decades fighting for rights, for freedom of speech, freedom of thought, for the utter freedom and lack of control people enjoy on internet. How many billions of money people avoid wasting on the entertainment industry because on internet?
Lets debate the effects of OnLive, not just the good stuff that is being advertised, but the shady business strategy behind it.
Its like when you hear those rumours about governments trying to control the internet, entertainment industry creating digital seals, internet providers traffic shapping. People, dont be stupid, think about what OnLive represent for the entertainment industry, for the government, for the consumers, for everyone involved.
Im sorry but you need to simmer down. Your blowing things way out of proportion and sounding like a raving mad conspiracy theorist.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
They should at least give the choice to download the game if the customer decides to buy the game especialy for those who actualy have a PC that can handle the game they want.
Whoever said in this topic Community created Mods suck, clearly dosn't have a clue. I mean Counter-Strike,Day of Defeat (i could continue the list till eternity) are all user created content and seem to be going well.
Let's not forget the countless tools for server controls that are created too make you even able to run your games properly.
So with Onlive (a technology that has been discussed for over a decade) you will either pay a monthly fee and purchase games or pay a monthly fee high enough to make it profitable to all the development companies. This is still a long way off before it become mentionable. Retailoers and publishers are going to do everything to stop it too. This would destroy Gamestop and online game retailers. You would also never get to purchase a used game. Full price everytime. Then if they choose just a single monthly fee it will have to be high make devs profit. Then you have to decide if you play enough games to warrant the service.
It won't be worth it to me until the internet is latency free. So whenever we start using lasers on satellites to transfer data I guess.
It's just to soon.
To Munki, thanks for the repply.
Just a correction. When I buy a product (game, music) they say you cant redistribute to someone else. Years ago you could, but they noticed that there was a lot of money in the usuable products market. Thats why now they created limitations for people to redistribute products.
If you buy lets say, GTA IV, play it for a month, then pass it away on ebay, its a crime. If you sell it to your friend, its a crime.
They even got to the point where you can only install a product a few times. (recently with Spore)
So one of the issues you didnt understood by my lack of communication skills on the previous topic was that with OnLive, after a while, since due to the way the new system will work people wont need to have the physical product (that will be their excuse, listen closelly to what they answer about it, they wont mention it), and its not like they will give you a cd/dvd copy of the product you bought, if they do, you will have to spend more money, maybe pay an extra "redistributable license rights tax" or maybe the product will come with x number of reinstallations uses. If you stop renting, they wont give you access to it anymore, its obvious. So you are bound to pay, every fucking month, whether you use it or not. Right now, you just need to pay for p2p mmos or games that require cd-keys to play online. We are talking reality here. And even if you dislike it, you can resell the cd-key online or sell your items/account for someone else. Even if they say its illegal, the fact that your time and effort spent and the freedom of access is more important then their ridiculous high proffit. Its not they do games for gamers anymore anyway. Its like, who can vomit an unfinished product first and then do it again with another product.
You cant have it, you cant sell, destroy, rent, change whatever you bought. You will be in prison, not like today. The price we will pay will be too high, that what me and others are foreseeing.
Everything you can do now, even though the entertainment industry say its illegal (not because people agree with them, but because they choose their own rules and the rules about copy rights were loobied three generations ago for reasons dont exist anymore and cant be enforced due to internet and the new paradigm of democracy of access, freedom of information and the practical impossibility of ownership of ideas), but you can and everyone does it as a socially acceptable conduct, because they cant arrest or tax or fiscalize everyone who does so, but with OnLine, they will solve this problem, OnLive is a trojan horse that will allow them CONTROL. There wont be more money outside of OnLive because of that, like there is today where people buy and resell and rent whatever, even if they people didnt bought a "redistributable rights license".
OnLive is a virus, it will spread and heavilly gimp the other systems. It will spread because government will love it because it is a public service for them (as if they dont know already), offer a candy and get them. Right now they cant get us. It will spread because the entertainment industry will make more money from the rental system, wich is the golden mine of our generation (games industry is the most lucrative entertainment industry, and thats because rental system on p2p mmorpgs), there wont be money outside of their cycle. The group efforts will work so well and it will grow.
Soon Publishers that dont get in will be at a loss, directly and indirectly due to the sheer popularity of OnLive. Who knows what kind of moves people in favor of OnLive method will do to hurt Publishers who dont accept their method? Lobby to create rules to avoid problems (that exist today, but they dont see, untill compare to OnLive system), Lobby to make Publishers work harder, close doors at major media gates.
OnLive gathered effort will have so many resources scathered everywhere compared to anyone who opposes them that at some point, the % of products outside of OnLive radius of control will be negligible. Eventually the fatal blow will come, its not like "there will always be resistance". They will buy the resistance outright or destroy it.
Once every product is working under the new system, government/entertainment industry will have an effective tool to control.
full implementation of copyrights,
full control of content and therefore ideas. Since everything will be under OnLive, they will be able to close, suspend, change whatever they wish. Suddenly they will decide what is ok and what is not, and their word will be law. Someone remembers how the war publicity worked in Germany prior to the Second World War (it was everywhere and it caused effect). Soon they will be able not only to decide what to allow, but enforce what they want in peoples games and it will cause effect.
If they want to put nationalist messages or hate messages they will. If the economy is in a crise and they want to incentivate consume, they will be able to put such messages in games. if they want to say something is bad or good, they can. Its too much power. You might think you wont fall for any of those, but after some time, kids will grow with those values rooted on them, like how arians were the superior race. There are still people alive who believe that.
There wont be discussions like there are today. It will be what they decide and end of story. "BECAUSE WE CAN."
OnLive will allow them that.
Conspiracy theory in the morning?
I hope someone create a big post about it, with all the concerns/effects in a better way than my non native english and 24 years old of experience/knowledge would ever be able to.
why? services like that already exist.
www.steampowered.com
www.direct2drive.com
Good points Interesting, but they are all childish and wrong.
Thanks for the repplies.
Signing out of the thread.
Funny coming from people from a MMO site. It would be similar to MMOs, except there is no presistent world. Why is it a bad thing? You don't "own" any MMOs but you still play them.
Convenient is a good thing. Paying LESS for hardware is a good thing. Not have to worry about settings and upgrads is a good thing.
And DRM is not necessarily a bad thing (unless u want to pirate) if it is NOT intrusive. Look at China. The reason why all the single player games stopped being developed and everyone moved to MMOs is becaues of piracy. No more single player games is BAD for gamers. And this DRM is as user friendly as possible ... people won't even know it is there and it won't cause any problems on your computer.
And i think the possibility of newer features (like you can probably let gamers try any game for 5 min) far outweigh all the problems, if it actually works.
And you think it is possible for the US govt to institute any restrictions (like 4 hrs a day) like that? It will never happen here in the US.
The problem is that no DRM system has been succesfull in abolishing piracy, not one. The only thing DRM has accomplished is causing massive issues for honest and legit buyers of games. You think I am talking out of my ass then scan tremendous amounts of boards and forums for DRM based games. Hell, go to Amazon.com and look at the feedback alone for the new Total War.
I won;t even get started on Steam either....
Well, OnLive does not have any additional DRM. The whole concept is a natural DRM so why would it be bad? I don't know whether it would deter piracy but that is not the point. The point is that it delivers a game in a convenient way (unlike today's DRM games).
Paying less for hardware is not a good thing in my book. I have a highend PC for many reasons gaming is just one of them. And I really don't mind settings and upgrades. I format my drives every 6 months and reinstall everything. Some people still like computers.
Uh? You are weird. You are saying spending MORE money to get the SAME functionality is a GOOD THING?
Plus while you don't mind settings and upgrades, many, including me, found that tedious and annoying. Do i really want to go into setting the resolution of each game? NOPE. It is 5 sec of my time i can't get back.
Sure, you can still go reformat your drives every 6 months (gosh, i did that 2 weeks ago .. wasted a whole day installing stuff) with Onlive. It does not prevent you from tweaking your computer to death.
I guess no MMO is ever successful then .. oh wait ...
First, most PC buyers have no idea about hardware anyway. They would buy anything cheap that let them surf the web and write their papers.
Secondly, if it kills all the gaming PCs market, so what? Calculators kill the business of slide rules. Automobile kills the market for horses. Internet kills the business of newspapers. We move on.