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Maseloc
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Hello, I played EQ for about 4 years so naturally i am a much bigger fan of EQ then WoW. Recently my curiosity got the better of me and i started browsing around reading about WoW. I visited the WoW forums on their official page and i only have one question, are all warcraft fans 5 years old? All thats in there is flames and insults. This has made me think, if those people in the forums are going to be the ones playing the game why would anyone bother trying the game? Community is a big part of any mmorpg you play, and this one is gonna suck. I guess my question is why? why are the WoW forums so much more immature then the EQ2 forums. Anyone know?
-Loc
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There was a guy on the WoW forums who made a thread about how he though EQ2 was looking like it will be a good game , and you shouldve seen the immature replies lol.
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-Loc
No, not everyone will be 5 years old, I am 27 and played the stress test and had a really good time (yes for only about 1 week) but it was still a good time. In fact I have not had that much fun playing a MMORPG....... ever ( until EQ2 comes out of course!!
) I have played, EVE, L2, SWG, and AC2, and did not enjoy myself as much as I did for that one week I played WoW.
I think EQ2 and WoW will no doubt, both be very successful. I just wish I knew how it will be possible, to divide my time to play both games......
It probably won't be, so I guess I will choose EQ2 cause it just looks awesome, but it is good to know that I will have a great game to fall back on (WoW) if for some STRANGE reason EQ2 sucks!
Ok... So now that we decided that we are tired of EQII vs. WOW threads we slightly tweak it? I can almost see the army of duplicate threads now...
Anyways back on topic: yeah, the WOW Bnet forums are full of a lot really immature kids and on the SOE forums the devs and Mods never listen. Both aren't perfect.
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PLEASE don't think that all WoW fans are 5 year olds who had way to much sugar and ma and pa forgot to give them their nap!! I am a 26 year old female and I can prove that
But, in all seriousness, I know many (and I mean many) people who are very interested and have been watching the development of WoW for a very LONG time, and they in no way, shape or form are 5 year old immature potty mouths.
You have to take into account, that those that can post on the Blizzard forums are ONLY people who are owners of their previous games (Starcraft, Warcraft) and play through battle net. That is why a lot of people refer them to battle net kiddies. To play on the battle net servers, it is free, there is not fee. I am sure, that a large amount of those children will not be able to have ma and pa pay their subscription cost when WoW goes retail. And for the very few that may talk their way into getting them to pay, they may act up in the beginning, but I can assure you that the serious gamers, who pay with their hard earned money will not tolerate such childish behavior. You have to have faith in the rest of the community that are not as short fused as those kids.
If I were you, or anyone else who has any kind of doubt on what the community will be like, I would highly suggest that you do a search on google and check out some of the fansites. I am sure you will find a lot more people that are just like you, anxiously awaiting a game that they have been anticipating for so long, with intelligent and mature posters. Trust me, they are out there.
I sure hope you guys are right and i agree that wow does look like a good fall back game.
-Loc
I ran a guild for the duration of the stress test and anyone and everyone was welcome. By the end we had over 30 members, not one of whom was ever anything but friendly, considerate and helpful to everyone else in the guild.
Sure, when you look here in the Blizzard WoW general forum, it's full of kids who registered with their Warcraft III CD key and are hyped as hell over the game and are consequently making complete idiots of themselves. Check out the beta forums however and you'll see that the beta testers have a completely different demeanour. They're taking their fun very seriously and are also being listened to.
I'd like to say the same for the EQ2 beta forums, but of course they're kept hidden from public view. Well it worked once, right? *coughSWG*
Remember, Beta community does not equal retail community.
Precisely my point. You'd expect the beta community to be a lot less mature than the retail community, simply because no-one's paying to play it and the toons will all soon be wiped. Even given that factor, I found the community in the stress test to be surprisingly level-headed. Of course there were idiots, but they were few and far between and they just weren't given the time of day.
Oh, I see. Well, it's always been my experience that beta communities are much more mature than retail communities. They are willing to invest in something with no tangible return (wiped characters) other than knowing they made something better. Plus, the devs usually weed out the bad applies from the applications. You know the part that asks you why you want to be in beta?
Because this Original Post directly concerns World of Warcraft and it's Forums but with comparissions to EQ2 Forums, thread moved to Open General Discussion.
Any BS with this thread and you know i'll be on you like a... Malkavian... lol.
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Well, not really. Any retail community, in my experience, is less mature than the beta community. Doesn't mean it's so, just means that's my experience. As far as WoW's community, others have said that WoW is less mature, not me.
As far as defending EQ2 in a WoW forum... It just needs to happen when unfounded things are being said. Whether you agree or not makes just about zero difference
No need to get ad hominem about it.
[quote]Originally posted by Ominis
[b]Ok... So now that we decided that we are tired of EQII vs. WOW threads we slightly tweak it? I can almost see the army of duplicate threads now...[/quote]
My thoughts exactly
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I'm sorry if you felt like I was attacking you personally. I certainly wasn't, and I like to think people are capable of defending their opinions without resorting to calling foul play.
I can understand that you're looking forward to playing EQ2, but I'd politely and respectfully suggest, with no intention of hurting your feelings, that the most effective way to go about it might not be to say that not including PvP in the game is somehow an innovation.
Seriously though, good luck with your game. I'm certain it'll be an horrifically clunky soulless grind in true SOE tradition, and you're looking forward to it. As you've so rightly pointed out, it makes zero difference either way.
The maturity lvl in a mmorpg in retail is imho is low because of parents buying the game for their 10+ year old child <violating a few rules of play of some games, like EQ> to shut up their childs whining, or better parenting through $$. Toss enough $$ and children grow up all mature right? <evil grin>
I often play mmorpg later in the evening to avoid alot of the younger players <schools in> and find the experience refreshing although tiring <us old people need sleep>
Well, I am not that sensitive. Just heading it off at the pass before it got worse. Last thing I want is apathy over some stupid games.
As far as the innovation... That's something that's hard to relate with just text--I was being a bit facetious. But really, on a somewhat serious tone, the possible risk involved in omitting it might be considered a breath of fresh air... Dare I say, an innovative approach? At any rate, you can't argue that it's not rare to omit PvP of some kind in a MMOG. Innovative? Maybe not, but still rare.
Anyway, take it how you want...
Blizzard has a huge customer base. Their customer base is probably much lower on average age than say Sony's. To give you an example I am a four and a half year EQ player and my son (16) is a big Starcraft/Warcraft player. When he is over and I am raiding or something he will ask "Why do you play that game you can never win at?" He does not like it. With RTS (real time strategy) games like Starcraft or Warcraft you can play a couple intense games that take from 5 to 30 minutes then go watch TV, go to the store, call your friends, go to the mall, smoke a doobie or whatever. RTS games require intense concentration in short spurts but aren't big timesinks.
Many players in WOW will be the Starcraft/Warcraft RTS players who will be playing their first MMORPG. If you think the leveling in WOW is fast because WOW loves the casual gamer and doesn't want to expose them to the "level grind" you are sorely mistaken. They want it to be fast enough to hold the attention of their HUMONGOUS RTS customer base who has not shown the attention span and willingness to play a "timesink" pay per month mmorpg yet.
I am willing to bet there are 3 Warcraft/Starcraft players to every 1 Veteran MMORPGer (DAOC, UO, SB, EQ, AC1-2, and all included). If you are Blizzard do you want 300k playing WoW and 500k playing SC and WC3 or do you want to get all 800k playing the game that pays you $10-15 per month? Easy answer. The game is fast to level to get these guys hooked and paying and then when they are 60 and decked, they can log in every couple of days (light on the server bandwidth) and gank with their pals like they did in WC3. It is all pretty simple to me. You would never catch my son on an EQ type four hour instanced raid or trying to spend 5 hours+ clearing the plane of time. Screw that he wants to log in, smack some mages, talk trash and then go to his girlfriends house...
My son is going to play WoW because some of his friends are. NONE of them are in the beta. I asked him to win that Warcraft3 contest for me so I could play in the beta and he said "Why would you want to play the game that isn't done yet and have to erase your character and start all over?" Little shit. He could have won the damn thing for me if he wanted to. He probably did and sold it on Ebay for some speaker money for his car stereo and I would never know.
The point is expect a HUGE percentage of the Bnet kiddies on release who didnt give a damn about a beta. I can assure you the maturity and age of the normal beta tester on average will be far above the average retail player.
I really like WoW, except for what I perceive to be the ease of leveling. I hope to get a beta spot in EQ2 and if it is good I will just stay there as I can see myself achieving 60 and getting tired of trying to farm Honor scores and gravitating toward the harder game anyway.
They will both be fine games, one is just a bit more suited to my style of "timesink".
One more point...if you don't think Bliz wants all the RTS types who will get 60 and then log out for days at a time returning to PVP occasionally but continuing to pay (as they now have a decked out 60) I think I can convince you in two words...
REST STATE
LOL, a bonus for not being online all the time. If this isn't a solid indication they want you to pay but not be taking up server space and resources ALL THE TIME I don't know what is. The absolute best customers are the ones who pay and only play every now and then, not the hardcore MMORPGers like me who are on stretching their bandwidth for hours on end all the time.
I get the same impression from the boards but did NOT get that impression from playing the stress for the two week period. I met and grouped with many, many mature, thoughtful and caring people. Yeah. I was surprised. I was also surprised that I enjoyed the game as much as I did. I also played EQ for years (as well as UO, AO, DAOC and SWG, the last one for less than 6 months) and I was very pleasantly surprised by WoW. Looking forward to its release.
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Yes, I agree that when I was in Stress, most folks were quite mature. Then again, I only grouped when I had to, so interacting with others was a very small part of my play time.
Stay on topic Tombs.
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