Scammed in an MMO, really fed up now.

fmnch35

I got scammed pretty bad in WoW and got the usual gumpfh from the GM's.

You know whether I was in WoW or in another MMO, I remember a time pre-WoW when the community was tighter and you knew everyone because the population was smaller, everyone grouped more and was generally more pleasant, it was a joy to play an MMO. Now people who scam are almost celebrated by the general MMO populous. Whereas before they were shunned as the community did most of the self-policing. I'm not saying scams didn't exist pre-WoW, but I am saying that it happened less often (as in once a year often) and I am just sick and tired of all the rubbish I have to put up with to enjoy a game. So much so that after 7 years I am finally done with them, despite quitting moving to another MMO and trying betas etc, I'm sure the majority here have done the same.

I'm not blaming the WoW generation or any group in particular, but the attitude and the way games are played now stinks something rotten. Only playing a game such as LoTRO or DDO did I get close to the experience I wanted. There is not enough grouping in MMO's and levelling is too easy, so people can race to a higher level if they use another character to scam people or generally be a jerk. Grouping and harder leveling wasn't just a filter it was a way of highlighting the bad eggs from the good eggs. Since that's gone it is harder to tell, the bad eggs and the good eggs sit in the same basket.

It doesn't matter how shiny the graphics are, whether the sound is annoying or enjoyable what matters and should matter above all else is the players playing because fundamentally that's what these games were about until it became a sprint to the finish and hoovering up all the items, gold and shiny things along the way. That was a byproduct of having fun, not anymore. Being selfish and a jerk has taken centre stage, welcome to the new generation of MMORPGers.

 

Yamoth

What scam?  In all my years of wow till me quitting 4 months ago, I haven't got scammed once where the gm just sit buy and do nothing about it.

Waterlily

Yes, it seems quite common. First-time players are usually very forgiving and just enjoy the world and there's very little drama, scamming or clickyness going on. 

Once players find out how to make the most out of their time, how to get ahead in the shortest time-frame with the least amount of work, scamming and cheating will become second nature to some and it's hard to persuade these players that what they are doing is actually wrong or not proper.

Racing to the top level and using shortcuts will always be there though, it's more common than ever. Pre-made guilds are ready to be numero-uno when the game is yet to be released. Not much you can do about that, making the leveling curve harder isn't going to stop anyone, it's just going to hurt the playstyle of courtesy and comradery you are trying to protect I think.

 

Josher

It is a pickle now.  MMOs used to filter out the mass majority because of their tedium and excess time consumption.  So everyone left playing or "tolerating" it in my mind, is of the same attitude.  Now, you have everyone playing together, every personality from every walk of life.

You're sick of it now, because I beleive you've grown up a bit and have less patience for BS.  After 7 years of MMOs anyone is bound to tolerate a lot less than they used to.  Welcome to a genre that's no longer a niche computer geek hideaway anymore.  Its good and bad depending on which side of the fence you sit.

biplex

A looser will get scammed often, intelignet person wont get scammed so easily

coldfreedom

i play many mmo since late 2003 and i always be hearing people moaning about being scammed in every mmo i play.

i never got scam before cause i never do custom deals. either put it on auction for me to buy or set player shop for me to buy.

 

if anyone got scam well its your own fault for not being smart enough. common princible a gm or game company/publisher cannot do anything for you if you get scam. how to be scam is within yourself.

 

never trust anyone even if small server population and everyone see each other face everyday and party and raid.

 

donjn

Originally posted by fmnch35


I got scammed pretty bad in WoW and got the usual gumpfh from the GM's.
You know whether I was in WoW or in another MMO, I remember a time pre-WoW when the community was tighter and you knew everyone because the population was smaller, everyone grouped more and was generally more pleasant, it was a joy to play an MMO. Now people who scam are almost celebrated by the general MMO populous. Whereas before they were shunned as the community did most of the self-policing. I'm not saying scams didn't exist pre-WoW, but I am saying that it happened less often (as in once a year often) and I am just sick and tired of all the rubbish I have to put up with to enjoy a game. So much so that after 7 years I am finally done with them, despite quitting moving to another MMO and trying betas etc, I'm sure the majority here have done the same.
I'm not blaming the WoW generation or any group in particular, but the attitude and the way games are played now stinks something rotten. Only playing a game such as LoTRO or DDO did I get close to the experience I wanted. There is not enough grouping in MMO's and levelling is too easy, so people can race to a higher level if they use another character to scam people or generally be a jerk. Grouping and harder leveling wasn't just a filter it was a way of highlighting the bad eggs from the good eggs. Since that's gone it is harder to tell, the bad eggs and the good eggs sit in the same basket.
It doesn't matter how shiny the graphics are, whether the sound is annoying or enjoyable what matters and should matter above all else is the players playing because fundamentally that's what these games were about until it became a sprint to the finish and hoovering up all the items, gold and shiny things along the way. That was a byproduct of having fun, not anymore. Being selfish and a jerk has taken centre stage, welcome to the new generation of MMORPGers.

 

Ummm. give us some details please?

VultureSkull

Originally posted by biplex


A looser will get scammed often, intelignet person wont get scammed so easily

 

Scams work off people's greed not their intelligence.

Kyleran

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Naw, I've been scammed, and am fairly confident I don't fall into the 'retard' category.
Most recently I paid 750M for a ship worth 750K in EVE. How? Was tired I guess, rushing to get something done and it cost me.
I've gotten nailed once or twice before, in Lineage 2 and WOW as I recall. Stuff happens, you have to learn from your mistakes and move on.
I promise you, I will not be paying too much for my ships in EVE any more.
 

brostyn

OP, you oviously weren't around before WoW. Don't talk about how you think the community was filled with angels taking bullets for one another.

In early EQ there was a nasty exploit were if you went LD during a trade the plat would transfer, but not the items. Many people took advantage of that. There were plenty of scammers/exploiters in EQ. Lots of scammers and exploiters long before WoW. I know some of you find it hard to imagine that MMOs had idiots before WoW, but its true.

 

Kyleran, I forgot about that nice little scam. I've seen it in bazaar in EQ many a times. I almost fell for it, but luckily didn't have enough plat to cover the cost.

Raevanhawk

"I remember a time pre-WoW when the community was tighter and you knew everyone because the population was smaller, everyone grouped more and was generally more pleasant, it was a joy to play an MMO."

 

Umm...long before WOW was a twinkling in the eye of blizzard there were games like EQ where naive and greedy people were scammed on a constant basis. That was just one MMO. There are always scams in MMO's because of people really wanting something for nothing in most cases and generally just not paying attention to the details. Happens in real life too.

Tell me you haven't sent money to the nigerian prince to help him get his money out of the country

Zorlofe

I don't know what happened as far as the scam goes but I do agree with the OP in how people behave now. It is worse then it used to be and game makers don't care as much as they used to either. There are valid reasons as to why this is already stated but I share the frustration as there are so many players that have no class and while in game act like such tards because they know they have no consequence to their actions and because all they care about is themselves and what they think is funny. "Haha, my life sucks so I'm going to see what I can do to feel like a stronger person and do something that will make you mad! This will make me feel more powerful than you if I can control your emotions!" kind of attitude... Seen it so many times and it's imature stupid and really getting old.

When all that matters to you is your ePenis because you you can't handle your real life you're just proving how pathetic of a person you really are.

Badem

Originally posted by Kyleran


 

Naw, I've been scammed, and am fairly confident I don't fall into the 'retard' category.

Most recently I paid 750M for a ship worth 750K in EVE. How? Was tired I guess, rushing to get something done and it cost me.

I've gotten nailed once or twice before, in Lineage 2 and WOW as I recall. Stuff happens, you have to learn from your mistakes and move on.

I promise you, I will not be paying too much for my ships in EVE any more.

 

 

I had that in EvE as well, saw a faction ship for 550,000,055 isk

Normally you would assume this is 550K isk since anything over 1,000,000 appears a 1 Million ISK

It appears that if you put a few isk in at the end the market dispalys the full price making it appear to look like hundred of thousands

 

luckily I cottoned onto this scnam quite quick

Daffid011

Originally posted by fmnch35


I got scammed pretty bad in WoW and got the usual gumpfh from the GM's.
You know whether I was in WoW or in another MMO, I remember a time pre-WoW when the community was tighter and you knew everyone because the population was smaller, everyone grouped more and was generally more pleasant, it was a joy to play an MMO. Now people who scam are almost celebrated by the general MMO populous. Whereas before they were shunned as the community did most of the self-policing. I'm not saying scams didn't exist pre-WoW, but I am saying that it happened less often (as in once a year often) and I am just sick and tired of all the rubbish I have to put up with to enjoy a game. So much so that after 7 years I am finally done with them, despite quitting moving to another MMO and trying betas etc, I'm sure the majority here have done the same.

Ah yes the glory years before wow.

Everquest puts the play nice policy put into effect, because people couldn't be trusted to ... play nice with each other.

The day eqvault died when the moderators finally started enforcing the forum rules and people couldn't rant and rage on each other unchecked.   By died I mean almost everyone left.

 

The first half dozen years or so of mmos was filled with epic drama oozing out of every orifice of most games.  Trade scams were the least of peoples problems back then.  Some guilds killed the sleeper just to deny the rest of the server access to content and raid progression items. 

 

New games over the last several years are practically bubble wrapped so players do run around getting screwed over by other players.  It sucks that you got scammed, but odds are it is something a little attention would have prevented. 

I'm curious what happened to you that has you so upset.

Vrika

 I have to agree that the community's reaction to scamming has changed over the years. I remember pre-TBC WoW where I used to buy enchants from strangers if they just were in a big and good guild. I could count into it that if they scammed their own guild took action against them, and protected me even tough I was a stranger.

Nowadays I don't trust any guild in WoW any more, because so many of the large guilds couldn't care less. They think it's okay that their members to scam as long as they aren't the ones getting scammed.

SomeOldBloke

Look out the window, society is full of people who will quite happily screw somebody over just so they get the best deal... Why should an MMO be any different... trust nobody, question everything...

ionlyneedit

The closest I've ever come to being scammed was in EQ, and it wasn't even really a scam. In the earlier days of EQ if you traded with somebody and they didn't have room in their bag, the item(s) would fall on the ground. I was trading stuff with a friend and their bag was full and some of the items fell on the ground. Somebody immediately -- like 2 seconds after it hit the ground -- picked it up and logged off. It wasn't anything important, but it was annoying.

I was never scammed in WoW, but it was an omnipresent part of the game. Their favorite scams seemed to be extreme "deposits" on crafting material trades and the old "buy something for me off the AH and put it on the neutral AH for my Alliance main" deal. Another one I can't believe anybody still falls for the "give me the money and I'll log on my alt and trade you the item" scam but it happens all the time.

Rekindle

i remember those friendly days in UO.  Such a friendly place.  Magical swords fell from the sky on fluffy white clouds of love....or was it one of my best in-game friends stabbing me through the back?

Daffid011

For all the flaws in players in the early years, there was something special about it.  The original poster does have a point about there being a more in depth community compared to now.  I just remember how aweful many people were in comparison to today. 

shad0w99

Scams happen. Just prepare for them. If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is!

Scams happen in real life. Even big, reputable companies screw over their customers.

Why on earth would it not happen in a game which doesn't have laws about these things?

Scams just happen more often because more people play, not because the kind of people that play has changed.

ianubisi

Scamming and the cheering of scams has been around for as long as there have been MMOGs to play. I've been playing MMOGs since UO was released, and before then with MUDs. It's nothing new at all.

KingKaio

Once I partied with this guy a couple of times in FFXI and he asked me to do him a favor. He wanted to me to put a 50k item up on the Auction House because he already had to many items up. I agreed and within an hour it had sold and I sent his 50k to his mog house. Later I get a /tell from him saying he didnt have his 50k and I tell him its at his Mog House. Then out of no where he informs me is name is Uzsuke not Yusuke and I tell him I can read and I double checked before I sent it to him. Afterwards he tells me that if his 50k is not at his mog house I was going to have to pay him thats when I /blacklisted him.

I dont understand how anyone can get scammed in MMOs, unless they do something really really stupid. You dont trade items expecting to be payed later and you dont give in game currency for rl items.

Reklaw

Originally posted by fmnch35


I got scammed pretty bad in WoW and got the usual gumpfh from the GM's.
You know whether I was in WoW or in another MMO, I remember a time pre-WoW when the community was tighter and you knew everyone because the population was smaller, everyone grouped more and was generally more pleasant, it was a joy to play an MMO. Now people who scam are almost celebrated by the general MMO populous. Whereas before they were shunned as the community did most of the self-policing. I'm not saying scams didn't exist pre-WoW, but I am saying that it happened less often (as in once a year often) and I am just sick and tired of all the rubbish I have to put up with to enjoy a game. So much so that after 7 years I am finally done with them, despite quitting moving to another MMO and trying betas etc, I'm sure the majority here have done the same.
I'm not blaming the WoW generation or any group in particular, but the attitude and the way games are played now stinks something rotten. Only playing a game such as LoTRO or DDO did I get close to the experience I wanted. There is not enough grouping in MMO's and levelling is too easy, so people can race to a higher level if they use another character to scam people or generally be a jerk. Grouping and harder leveling wasn't just a filter it was a way of highlighting the bad eggs from the good eggs. Since that's gone it is harder to tell, the bad eggs and the good eggs sit in the same basket.
It doesn't matter how shiny the graphics are, whether the sound is annoying or enjoyable what matters and should matter above all else is the players playing because fundamentally that's what these games were about until it became a sprint to the finish and hoovering up all the items, gold and shiny things along the way. That was a byproduct of having fun, not anymore. Being selfish and a jerk has taken centre stage, welcome to the new generation of MMORPGers.
 

 

I agree with HOW people play these games these day's but still trying to figure out what scam was going on in WOW as you kinda as far I can tell left that part out, which was your topic title, or am I missing something?

Evasia

Originally posted by fmnch35


I got scammed pretty bad in WoW and got the usual gumpfh from the GM's.
You know whether I was in WoW or in another MMO, I remember a time pre-WoW when the community was tighter and you knew everyone because the population was smaller, everyone grouped more and was generally more pleasant, it was a joy to play an MMO. Now people who scam are almost celebrated by the general MMO populous. Whereas before they were shunned as the community did most of the self-policing. I'm not saying scams didn't exist pre-WoW, but I am saying that it happened less often (as in once a year often) and I am just sick and tired of all the rubbish I have to put up with to enjoy a game. So much so that after 7 years I am finally done with them, despite quitting moving to another MMO and trying betas etc, I'm sure the majority here have done the same.
I'm not blaming the WoW generation or any group in particular, but the attitude and the way games are played now stinks something rotten. Only playing a game such as LoTRO or DDO did I get close to the experience I wanted. There is not enough grouping in MMO's and levelling is too easy, so people can race to a higher level if they use another character to scam people or generally be a jerk. Grouping and harder leveling wasn't just a filter it was a way of highlighting the bad eggs from the good eggs. Since that's gone it is harder to tell, the bad eggs and the good eggs sit in the same basket.
It doesn't matter how shiny the graphics are, whether the sound is annoying or enjoyable what matters and should matter above all else is the players playing because fundamentally that's what these games were about until it became a sprint to the finish and hoovering up all the items, gold and shiny things along the way. That was a byproduct of having fun, not anymore. Being selfish and a jerk has taken centre stage, welcome to the new generation of MMORPGers.
 

Im also from the time when you discribe and its true that community where so much better then now as you discribed these times im affraid are completely gone no more:(

 

About lotr and d&d alos posible becouse many ex ac2 play these games now and they all had this better mentality back then.

Offcorse its not WoW to blame or new generation they just never have experience this plus i agree a 1000 players ingame or 6k players plus so many more servers that these days you mostly know you guild members and maybe few out side your guild but rest are strangers.

And becouse of how these days games are made i dont think we will not see in near future this kind of great communitys populating mmo's.

Only mmo i reasontly have played that had nice community and helpfull was SAGA OF RYZOM.

Theocritus

      I dont know what the OPs scam was but the majority of the ones I know of from WoW involve either powerleveling services, buying gold, or using certain 3rd party mods.......All of these are bad things and if you got scammed because one of these then there is no one to blame but yourself......Most scammers thrive on players that are trying to cheat or are lazy.

Dioren

You can tell when someone hasn't played for years in the MMO genre when they spew bull about how much more respectful  the MMO community was, or how the community was small enough so that eveyone got along.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. There were assholes,dipshits,flamers,trolls,fanbois, and scammers from the start. I played EQ since the launch of Kunark and have always heard, and sometimes been a party to, scams and overall angst. It's just part of the genre and always has been. There were always 'gold selling" sites that ripped you off, there were always people trying to get your account info, and there were always jackinapes who would take advantage of any profitable situation.

The difference now is, there are a ton more people playing so it seems to have increased. It seems that way because of 2 factors.

1) A lot more people. A lot more people=more suckers.

2) The facility in which scams can work. Any person can put a keylogging site on any gaming forum and have at least 2 accounts within the span of 10 minutes.

Just  treat in game stuff like you would rl stuff. The transaction seems to good to be true? It probably is. The link seems wierd looking? Don't click it. Play the game/forums with some common sense and you'll be ok.