This map leak was so bad, the dust on the video card burned immediatley. Be careful on this kind of bull crap. You can damage your hardware instantly
Your Video card is fryed m8. It might still be working to some degree but it will keep getting worse. Suggestion number one is - Dont play AOC cause it will keep pushing the card to its limits destroying it more. My m8 had same problems and he could run most other games.
I should have posted here and warned ppl that this did happen in Beta. I was hoping Funcom had fixed this but aparently not. So plz remember this is a test version and there is no guaranty that your hardware can take it. Even if the shut down mecanics work perfectly - the card may have already come under so much stress that it will not work properly after.
And to the ppl that claim coding can not affect hardware or break it. It can. There is nothing easier than to setup an easy data roundtrip to fry your harddisk. Or to push your videocard running on refresh rate it can't handle. Code controls everything that your computer does. If the code is bad then it can easily break pretty much everything.
if it were possible to trash graphics cards or other system components through erroneous code, you can bet your bottom dollar, hackers would exploit it wholesale, and any number of computer viruses would be trashing pc's and components worldwide, as happened when some mobo manufacturers allowed deleting of the bios from within the os using a simple command.
I am willing to bet real cash money, that any system that has crumbled while playing aoc and DX 10, was;
1, poorly ventilated and/or full of dust never having been cleaned
2, over clocked much too far with inadequate cooling and ventilation
3. Using an inadequate power supply.
Tick as appropriate.
Any system that overheats far enough to cause component failure was being run way beyond its design specs or was so poorly maintained as to allow unreasonable dust build up restricting airflow around cooling fans; end of, bottom line.
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This map leak was so bad, the dust on the video card burned immediatley. Be careful on this kind of bull crap. You can damage your hardware instantly
Dude you have a malfunctioning GTX card, and that was most likely the root cause for your oddity posted above. I have not read any other having the issues you describe. Kind of cheap that you broke the card on LotRO and you still play with it. lol, AoC certainly don't accept BS like that.
And to the ppl that claim coding can not affect hardware or break it. It can. There is nothing easier than to setup an easy data roundtrip to fry your harddisk. Or to push your videocard running on refresh rate it can't handle. Code controls everything that your computer does. If the code is bad then it can easily break pretty much everything.
Please give me a demonstration of this. Show me one incident of a game destroying hardware, where the video card was NOT overclocked, and I will tell everyone to believe every post you ever make again.
Having done computer repair and services for over 20 years (from Commodore 64's young one...), I can state for a FACT that this is not true.
I already noted the issue with the OP's video card. Badly programmed chips, thus frying the card. AoC just happened to be the game that did not wimp out and treat the video card like it was in diapers.
But, really, good drama queen antics here.
Good luck convincing sensible people of this drivel.
For those that don't know FUNCOM did not write DX10 it is a set of API functions that gives access to the graphic card producing various effects. All games running on a computer that has DX10 call the same functions so all AOC code does is to call these functions to produce the required effects.
So if anything did break the card then it should be taken up with Microsoft.
The ignorance shown here is quite gob smacking to say the least.
I would like to keep this post on topic. The fact is that AOC is pushing hardware to the limits.
DX10 is not coded by Funcom and neither does Funcom sell Graphic cards or release specific drivers to support their game. This is all down to other companies. But that does NOT mean that Funcom test version of DX 10 client can not be coded in a way to dmg videocards that are using beta versions of video drivers - or even old versions.
The point is that ppl should ALWAYS be carefull while running something that isn't officially released. This goes for both testing of AOC DX 10 and for beta drivers of your craphic card. You are taking a risk by "testing" things. And this is exactly why Funcom calls this test - not release. Casue then they can't be held relibable for any dmg they can possibly cause.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Frobner
I would like to keep this post on topic. The fact is that AOC is pushing hardware to the limits. DX10 is not coded by Funcom and neither does Funcom sell Graphic cards or release specific drivers to support their game. This is all down to other companies. But that does NOT mean that Funcom test version of DX 10 client can not be coded in a way to dmg videocards that are using beta versions of video drivers - or even old versions. The point is that ppl should ALWAYS be carefull while running something that isn't officially released. This goes for both testing of AOC DX 10 and for beta drivers of your craphic card. You are taking a risk by "testing" things. And this is exactly why Funcom calls this test - not release. Casue then they can't be held relibable for any dmg they can possibly cause.
Again you are failing to read. To use a phrase you like "Over 90%" of the posts here clearly show it is a hardware issue. There is no way on this planet that AoC DX10 is coded to damage GPUS and this is something that the likes of yourself and a handful of others will continue to spout, just waiting for them to show up in this thread.
*The OP won't say if his video card is Overclocked
*The OP won't provide system temps if he has them
*The OP won't provide driver #'s
It is pretty obvious now sleeping on it he has an issue with his GPU, I would like to maybe genuinely help out. I also can't not replicate the same issue he saw.
It also would be nice to know exactly what he is doing step by step when the game crashes.
As for pushing hardware to the limits.... Hardly. I guess you can't speak from experience eh?
There has also been no other public reports out there stating the same thing has happened to other people.
WHo ever said that AOC was coded TO destroy GPUs ?
Its a test version and not fully optimised. Thats why its called test.
Im sorry but wth do you think AOC is doing if its not pushing graphic cards to the limit when ppl are running their game in highes resolution and with all featuers on ? OFC its doing that. It has nothing to do who is playing it - me or whoever. Now grow up and get off your high horse of thinking you know it all.
And last. There are no "public" reports of broken vieocards in AOC. That does not mean it hasn't happened. The last thing that the developer would like to make public is that their game is breaking videocards. These posts are deleted "90%" of the time - just like all reports about exploids (like in siege PVP that was posted today here on MMORPG.COM). It doesn't mean its not there - it just means that its information that are not "favorable" for the developers.
PS. I remember posts here on these boards talking about broken Video cards. I try to dig them up. Could take some time tho.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Frobner
WHo ever said that AOC was coded TO destroy GPUs ? Its a test version and not fully optimised. Thats why its called test. Im sorry but wth do you think AOC is doing if its not pushing graphic cards to the limit when ppl are running their game in highes resolution and with all featuers on ? OFC its doing that. It has nothing to do who is playing it - me or whoever. Now grow up and get off your high horse of thinking you know it all. And last. There are no "public" reports of broken vieocards in AOC. That does not mean it hasn't happened. The last thing that the developer would like to make public is that their game is breaking videocards. These posts are deleted "90%" of the time - just like all reports about exploids (like in siege PVP that was posted today here on MMORPG.COM). It doesn't mean its not there - it just means that its information that are not "favorable" for the developers. PS. I remember posts here on these boards talking about broken Video cards. I try to dig them up. Could take some time tho.
I find it funny you went back and edited you previous post in the thread. You way you write is slanted to imply like the OP that AoC bust his videocard. Your implying that AoC breaks video cards. You can't have it both ways.
I am sorry but if a card overheats it shuts down. If you smell something than it means something didn't quite happen as it should. I linked back a thread on the Nvidia forums showing a range of temps for the card. The point is it really looks like a hardware fault, and your trying to dismiss that too.
No offence running the game at the best setting to see performance will not break your system LOL. keep thinking otherwise.
I went back and edited what previous post ? Compare the time and lets see...
Here is the thing avery. The OP posted an issue. I posted that what I thought and I personally know from a friend of mine and from posts on beta forums that there were some issues with the game "breaking" Video cards.
Do you seriously suggest that I or anyone else is claiming that Funcom is DELEPRATLY destroying pplz videocards ? That doesn't mean that the game hasn't done it tho - be that for whatever reasons that we dont exactly know off.
I said this once and I say it again. Its a TEST. Just like Nvidia launches TEST drives they are NOT official and are NOT optimised. Things can happen.
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Originally posted by solareus
When you look at this images, you automatically see dx10 ? When I post Funcom pictures, you can't tell if it is dx10.
I was sleeping while my bashing was going so let me run my specs : Amd 4200x2+64 cpu (not over clocked) Nvidia 8800GT BFG factory OC (this card was parrall to a 8800GTS) 4 gigls of G-Skillz Memory 650 Watt BFG SLI power supply Western Digital 500 GIG SATA Harddrive spining at 8500 RPM's (going to get another and have my first terrabyte Sound Blaster Audigy onboard sound (will be getting M-Audio for the new pc , put that is for music productionn) The ventilation has a front to back pull, with 1 12mm fan in the front, 1 12mm fan in the back pushing air through the case constantly, the cpu has a 8mm fan that pushes ari up into the front to back flow and does the video card do the same. Air does not sit inside my case, ever. My Windows rating is 5.0 with the cpu being the lowest score. everything else is a 5.9 Ran dx10 lotro, since it was introduced, rending view distances 2 time of AoC with no problems think Funcom is not doing to it right , that is my opinion. I stand firm by it.
Yep I have 2 of those cards (since upgraded) but still have them floating around the house. My case has 4 x 120mm fans and 1 25mm fan. Does really matter if you think you have a fan at the front and one at the back and all is good. Whats the CFM of the fans? Are you able to provide a motherboard temp? If not try Rivatune or the evga precision utility both free. You can also take the fan speed up from 40% on the 8800 which it won't go higher if your temp goes over 60 degrees. Personally I had the card fan temp set to 67% all the time.
I also play AoC and Lotro (occasionaly, but wife more so) AoC has a greater overall view distance at 3.5 kilometers. It also has more control over immediate rendering distance with specifics. You will also notice that the render distance on your lotro screenie bottom left stop after about 100m clear line on the water, the textures are a lower res too on the backdrop. Lotro online offers no true dx10 water caustic effects above or below the water unfortunately. Your AoC shots are not really showing the same regard to view distance if that is your biggest gripe. Where are the god rays? 3d grass and physics?
You will often notice there is a higher degree of detail on the mountains in the distance than there is in lotro. You will also notice from the thunder river screens above a further viewdistance on the quality of the water.
My advice would be wait till it is daytime then go snapping some pictures, try Poitain, Thunder River for example.
As for the GPU I know exactly the problems it has, I also know that I have it set properly to turn the PC off if it gets too hot (default setting) which it has done in the past before I got extra cooling.
At the moment the other card is sat in the father in laws old Dell Dimension 8400, with P4 3ghz, 250gb HD, 8800GT, 350W PSU, 2gb ram and he can play AoC + lotro DX10 just fine. He has to scale down the DX10 setting in AoC as the simple fact is that you have to know your limits of your system.
AoC is not lotro, it's render distance is further, better parralax mapping, volumetric light, caustic effects and so on, you have to tweak these in line with your system. When you have over 3 times as many DX10 options, a true DX10 addition like AoC will have then it is logical to consider you may have to turn some things down just because of the vastness of options the game has.
Why is it that places like Anandtech.com and hardop use AoC as benchmarks along the line of other dx10 games like Crysis. There is a reason for this because it will punish your system, but the game also scales nicely from the low end to the high end.
I would as other ppl have pointed out go stress your system outside of AoC with 3dmark06, it is free after all, also fire up lotro and all setting max and see what temps are. Get hold of ntune / rivatune / speedfan and tweak it a bit. Set off a bug report or post the same for FC to see.
Never ever, even with 2 x 8800GT of the same model you have, did I see the temps you say you had. I would disable SSAO in the directx 10 setting tab to see better performance for a start.
You can't compare another game with less of setting and call it better as it is unfair, not to mention it has been out how long?
Frobner you need to realise that I have the same hardware and not "a friend of a friend of a friend who made a post in beta a year ago somewhere let me find it as it broke his GPU post" - you know how lame and desperate that sounds?
Get real buddy your here to slate the game in any way possible and you don't even play it!
I would like to keep this post on topic. The fact is that AOC is pushing hardware to the limits. DX10 is not coded by Funcom and neither does Funcom sell Graphic cards or release specific drivers to support their game. This is all down to other companies. But that does NOT mean that Funcom test version of DX 10 client can not be coded in a way to dmg videocards that are using beta versions of video drivers - or even old versions. The point is that ppl should ALWAYS be carefull while running something that isn't officially released. This goes for both testing of AOC DX 10 and for beta drivers of your craphic card. You are taking a risk by "testing" things. And this is exactly why Funcom calls this test - not release. Casue then they can't be held relibable for any dmg they can possibly cause.
no, you would like to cover your failure, which is fine dont worry about it.
now back to the subject, we dont care who coded what, yes people should be carefull testing new software as it could break their software environement NOT hardware, also people should be carfull overclocking their cards with very limited knowledge of computer science basics and electronics fundamental laws.
and again hardware can be broken by:
-manufacturing defect
-timed manufacturing defect
-physical damage (heat, mold, EM)
-life span end
but PC hardware will definitly NOT break because of the way it is handled by software.
so you have two options here:
1-respect yourself and stop arguing about stuff you dont know.
2-keep posting stuff that people will archive and use to incite their children to attend college.
also****
when you patch the AoC client, there is a big fat disclaimer that warns you about that, so no need toss a whole thread full of sarcasm and ignorance to repeat that same thing "be careful"
This map leak was so bad, the dust on the video card burned immediatley. Be careful on this kind of bull crap. You can damage your hardware instantly
Sounds like you need to replace your junk card with something that actually works well. Any video card that burns up playing a game is defective. If the game stresses your video card that is kinda what it's supposed to do...
Time to fix your system... This is not AoCs fault.
You should run F@H on your video card which will keep it at full load and see if it crashes or overheats. I run it on all my GPUs without any problems or overheating.
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Originally posted by solareus
Your card looks longer then one I have, same image on it, but the dimension of your card looks older.
If your looks like this you may need an update:
What you might want to do is update the bios on the card as reported previously the older models had issues with cooling and rising temps. Whilst I did this the moment I purchased mine from BFG website many people did or have not.
BFGR88512GTOCE BIOS - Update
Version: 62.92.00.18
Posting Date: 12/18/2007
File Size:272KB
Description:
Update the the thermal sensor fan control to reduce the operating temperature of the GPU.
This is recommended only for users with thermal- related concerns and an older BIOS version (possibly Sol)
BFG Tech graphics cards use pure NVIDIA unified Drivers for the best performance and stability.
Follow this link and select the appropriate information in the drop down menus for product type, product series, product, operating system, and language, then hit search.
When you look at this images, you automatically see dx10 ? When I post Funcom pictures, you can't tell if it is dx10.
I was sleeping while my bashing was going so let me run my specs : Amd 4200x2+64 cpu (not over clocked) Nvidia 8800GT BFG factory OC (this card was parrall to a 8800GTS) 4 gigls of G-Skillz Memory 650 Watt BFG SLI power supply Western Digital 500 GIG SATA Harddrive spining at 8500 RPM's (going to get another and have my first terrabyte Sound Blaster Audigy onboard sound (will be getting M-Audio for the new pc , put that is for music productionn) The ventilation has a front to back pull, with 1 12mm fan in the front, 1 12mm fan in the back pushing air through the case constantly, the cpu has a 8mm fan that pushes ari up into the front to back flow and does the video card do the same. Air does not sit inside my case, ever. My Windows rating is 5.0 with the cpu being the lowest score. everything else is a 5.9 Ran dx10 lotro, since it was introduced, rending view distances 2 time of AoC with no problems think Funcom is not doing to it right , that is my opinion. I stand firm by it.
One thing you can do which I have done on my vid cards is to get the nvidia performance control panel and try underclocking components of your video card. I had a 7900gt once and when I started playing vanguard it would after a little while start generating video artifacts and doing wierd stuff. I decreased the clock speed a bit and the problems went away. Eventually I replaced the card as while this worked for like 6 months it eventually came back and decreasing the clock didn't help as much and eventually it just completely stopped working.
That card also worked well for other games and only had issues with vanguard. But vanguard was the most intensive graphics game I ran. Also it is true that as thing heat up they will change and start showing errors and a general hardware debug technic when trying to find a bad component is to spray chips with cold air to cool them down to see if problems go away. So yeah aoc being a very graphically intensive game might be pushing your chips harder which will cause them to become hotter. Heating the chips will stress them and if they are poor or failing will cause failures like you are seeing.
I dont have to cover any failures. This topic is not about how hardware can be destroyed. And its defently not about flaming like you have been doing and therefor have already been reported when I was gonna report you.
ClearSam I dont have to cover any failures. This topic is not about how hardware can be destroyed. And its defently not about flaming like you have been doing and therefor have already been reported when I was gonna report you.
this topic is also not about trolling, misconception, ignorance, fact twisting, misleading information etc...
this topic is about someone who thinks that testing DX10 in the AoC client broke his video card. you were confirming that, and everybody else including myself is trying to correct you, and let you know that software DOES NOT break video cards. but you just keep incisting and posting the same thing.
here is something else, just in case you dont know it:
video cards and like any other electronic component are made of basic components (transistors, capacitors, diodes, resistors etc...), since everything is mass produced, every component has a defect probability and a predefined well known life span.
so when an assembler like BFG makes a card, they know exactly how long it will live depending on the load.
now, take this as a friendly useful information or as a flame to discard.
You should run F@H on your video card which will keep it at full load and see if it crashes or overheats. I run it on all my GPUs without any problems or overheating.
I agree with this. I run F@H while at work and it really maxes your card. I think this would be a good easy test.
When you look at this images, you automatically see dx10 ? I do not. Can you possibly show me the DX10 features? As Turbine has stated, they are not 100% DX10 compliant. So, based on this, please point out specifically what is DX10 in these pictures. Now lets compare an AoC DX10 image. Here is underwater (oops...sorry, LOTRO does not have underwater...forgot..but just better post it anyways..) Or this...showing the "godrays" And this one is the most important. AoC also does DX10 on characters which Turbine has stated they do not.. So, these people were able to take screenies and not have their card blow up, and truly shows the DX10 features. Just because you are not able to enable these effects does not mean AoC's DX10 is not working....just not working for you. Ran dx10 lotro, since it was introduced, rending view distances 2 time of AoC with no problems This is the big kicker. Remember, LOTRO is NOT 100% DX10 compliant...meaning Turbine is doing it wrong, thus why performance is a little more harsh in AoC, as it IS 100% compliant. May be why you CAN run LOTRO but not AoC. May need an upgrade. I hope you figure out your vid card issues..I still blame the chip..But, it sure is not Funcoms fault.
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Your Video card is fryed m8. It might still be working to some degree but it will keep getting worse. Suggestion number one is - Dont play AOC cause it will keep pushing the card to its limits destroying it more. My m8 had same problems and he could run most other games.
I should have posted here and warned ppl that this did happen in Beta. I was hoping Funcom had fixed this but aparently not. So plz remember this is a test version and there is no guaranty that your hardware can take it. Even if the shut down mecanics work perfectly - the card may have already come under so much stress that it will not work properly after.
And to the ppl that claim coding can not affect hardware or break it. It can. There is nothing easier than to setup an easy data roundtrip to fry your harddisk. Or to push your videocard running on refresh rate it can't handle. Code controls everything that your computer does. If the code is bad then it can easily break pretty much everything.
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if it were possible to trash graphics cards or other system components through erroneous code, you can bet your bottom dollar, hackers would exploit it wholesale, and any number of computer viruses would be trashing pc's and components worldwide, as happened when some mobo manufacturers allowed deleting of the bios from within the os using a simple command.
I am willing to bet real cash money, that any system that has crumbled while playing aoc and DX 10, was;
1, poorly ventilated and/or full of dust never having been cleaned
2, over clocked much too far with inadequate cooling and ventilation
3. Using an inadequate power supply.
Tick as appropriate.
Any system that overheats far enough to cause component failure was being run way beyond its design specs or was so poorly maintained as to allow unreasonable dust build up restricting airflow around cooling fans; end of, bottom line.
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Dude you have a malfunctioning GTX card, and that was most likely the root cause for your oddity posted above. I have not read any other having the issues you describe. Kind of cheap that you broke the card on LotRO and you still play with it. lol, AoC certainly don't accept BS like that.
Please give me a demonstration of this. Show me one incident of a game destroying hardware, where the video card was NOT overclocked, and I will tell everyone to believe every post you ever make again.
Having done computer repair and services for over 20 years (from Commodore 64's young one...), I can state for a FACT that this is not true.
I already noted the issue with the OP's video card. Badly programmed chips, thus frying the card. AoC just happened to be the game that did not wimp out and treat the video card like it was in diapers.
But, really, good drama queen antics here.
Good luck convincing sensible people of this drivel.
Is your card OC'd?
For those that don't know FUNCOM did not write DX10 it is a set of API functions that gives access to the graphic card producing various effects. All games running on a computer that has DX10 call the same functions so all AOC code does is to call these functions to produce the required effects.
So if anything did break the card then it should be taken up with Microsoft.
The ignorance shown here is quite gob smacking to say the least.
I would like to keep this post on topic. The fact is that AOC is pushing hardware to the limits.
DX10 is not coded by Funcom and neither does Funcom sell Graphic cards or release specific drivers to support their game. This is all down to other companies. But that does NOT mean that Funcom test version of DX 10 client can not be coded in a way to dmg videocards that are using beta versions of video drivers - or even old versions.
The point is that ppl should ALWAYS be carefull while running something that isn't officially released. This goes for both testing of AOC DX 10 and for beta drivers of your craphic card. You are taking a risk by "testing" things. And this is exactly why Funcom calls this test - not release. Casue then they can't be held relibable for any dmg they can possibly cause.
Again you are failing to read. To use a phrase you like "Over 90%" of the posts here clearly show it is a hardware issue. There is no way on this planet that AoC DX10 is coded to damage GPUS and this is something that the likes of yourself and a handful of others will continue to spout, just waiting for them to show up in this thread.
*The OP won't say if his video card is Overclocked
*The OP won't provide system temps if he has them
*The OP won't provide driver #'s
It is pretty obvious now sleeping on it he has an issue with his GPU, I would like to maybe genuinely help out. I also can't not replicate the same issue he saw.
It also would be nice to know exactly what he is doing step by step when the game crashes.
As for pushing hardware to the limits.... Hardly. I guess you can't speak from experience eh?
There has also been no other public reports out there stating the same thing has happened to other people.
WHo ever said that AOC was coded TO destroy GPUs ?
Its a test version and not fully optimised. Thats why its called test.
Im sorry but wth do you think AOC is doing if its not pushing graphic cards to the limit when ppl are running their game in highes resolution and with all featuers on ? OFC its doing that. It has nothing to do who is playing it - me or whoever. Now grow up and get off your high horse of thinking you know it all.
And last. There are no "public" reports of broken vieocards in AOC. That does not mean it hasn't happened. The last thing that the developer would like to make public is that their game is breaking videocards. These posts are deleted "90%" of the time - just like all reports about exploids (like in siege PVP that was posted today here on MMORPG.COM). It doesn't mean its not there - it just means that its information that are not "favorable" for the developers.
PS. I remember posts here on these boards talking about broken Video cards. I try to dig them up. Could take some time tho.
I find it funny you went back and edited you previous post in the thread. You way you write is slanted to imply like the OP that AoC bust his videocard. Your implying that AoC breaks video cards. You can't have it both ways.
I am sorry but if a card overheats it shuts down. If you smell something than it means something didn't quite happen as it should. I linked back a thread on the Nvidia forums showing a range of temps for the card. The point is it really looks like a hardware fault, and your trying to dismiss that too.
No offence running the game at the best setting to see performance will not break your system LOL. keep thinking otherwise.
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I went back and edited what previous post ? Compare the time and lets see...
Here is the thing avery. The OP posted an issue. I posted that what I thought and I personally know from a friend of mine and from posts on beta forums that there were some issues with the game "breaking" Video cards.
Do you seriously suggest that I or anyone else is claiming that Funcom is DELEPRATLY destroying pplz videocards ? That doesn't mean that the game hasn't done it tho - be that for whatever reasons that we dont exactly know off.
I said this once and I say it again. Its a TEST. Just like Nvidia launches TEST drives they are NOT official and are NOT optimised. Things can happen.
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Yep I have 2 of those cards (since upgraded) but still have them floating around the house. My case has 4 x 120mm fans and 1 25mm fan. Does really matter if you think you have a fan at the front and one at the back and all is good. Whats the CFM of the fans? Are you able to provide a motherboard temp? If not try Rivatune or the evga precision utility both free. You can also take the fan speed up from 40% on the 8800 which it won't go higher if your temp goes over 60 degrees. Personally I had the card fan temp set to 67% all the time.
I also play AoC and Lotro (occasionaly, but wife more so) AoC has a greater overall view distance at 3.5 kilometers. It also has more control over immediate rendering distance with specifics. You will also notice that the render distance on your lotro screenie bottom left stop after about 100m clear line on the water, the textures are a lower res too on the backdrop. Lotro online offers no true dx10 water caustic effects above or below the water unfortunately. Your AoC shots are not really showing the same regard to view distance if that is your biggest gripe. Where are the god rays? 3d grass and physics?
You will often notice there is a higher degree of detail on the mountains in the distance than there is in lotro. You will also notice from the thunder river screens above a further viewdistance on the quality of the water.
My advice would be wait till it is daytime then go snapping some pictures, try Poitain, Thunder River for example.
As for the GPU I know exactly the problems it has, I also know that I have it set properly to turn the PC off if it gets too hot (default setting) which it has done in the past before I got extra cooling.
At the moment the other card is sat in the father in laws old Dell Dimension 8400, with P4 3ghz, 250gb HD, 8800GT, 350W PSU, 2gb ram and he can play AoC + lotro DX10 just fine. He has to scale down the DX10 setting in AoC as the simple fact is that you have to know your limits of your system.
AoC is not lotro, it's render distance is further, better parralax mapping, volumetric light, caustic effects and so on, you have to tweak these in line with your system. When you have over 3 times as many DX10 options, a true DX10 addition like AoC will have then it is logical to consider you may have to turn some things down just because of the vastness of options the game has.
Why is it that places like Anandtech.com and hardop use AoC as benchmarks along the line of other dx10 games like Crysis. There is a reason for this because it will punish your system, but the game also scales nicely from the low end to the high end.
I would as other ppl have pointed out go stress your system outside of AoC with 3dmark06, it is free after all, also fire up lotro and all setting max and see what temps are. Get hold of ntune / rivatune / speedfan and tweak it a bit. Set off a bug report or post the same for FC to see.
Never ever, even with 2 x 8800GT of the same model you have, did I see the temps you say you had. I would disable SSAO in the directx 10 setting tab to see better performance for a start.
You can't compare another game with less of setting and call it better as it is unfair, not to mention it has been out how long?
Frobner you need to realise that I have the same hardware and not "a friend of a friend of a friend who made a post in beta a year ago somewhere let me find it as it broke his GPU post" - you know how lame and desperate that sounds?
Get real buddy your here to slate the game in any way possible and you don't even play it!
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no, you would like to cover your failure, which is fine
dont worry about it.
now back to the subject, we dont care who coded what, yes people should be carefull testing new software as it could break their software environement NOT hardware, also people should be carfull overclocking their cards with very limited knowledge of computer science basics and electronics fundamental laws.
and again hardware can be broken by:
-manufacturing defect
-timed manufacturing defect
-physical damage (heat, mold, EM)
-life span end
but PC hardware will definitly NOT break because of the way it is handled by software.
so you have two options here:
1-respect yourself and stop arguing about stuff you dont know.
2-keep posting stuff that people will archive and use to incite their children to attend college.
also****
when you patch the AoC client, there is a big fat disclaimer that warns you about that, so no need toss a whole thread full of sarcasm and ignorance to repeat that same thing "be careful"
Sounds like you need to replace your junk card with something that actually works well. Any video card that burns up playing a game is defective. If the game stresses your video card that is kinda what it's supposed to do...
Time to fix your system... This is not AoCs fault.
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Hey Sol,
You should run F@H on your video card which will keep it at full load and see if it crashes or overheats. I run it on all my GPUs without any problems or overheating.
If your looks like this you may need an update:
What you might want to do is update the bios on the card as reported previously the older models had issues with cooling and rising temps. Whilst I did this the moment I purchased mine from BFG website many people did or have not.
BFGR88512GTOCE BIOS - Update
Version: 62.92.00.18
Posting Date: 12/18/2007
File Size:272KB
Description:
Update the the thermal sensor fan control to reduce the operating temperature of the GPU.
This is recommended only for users with thermal- related concerns and an older BIOS version (possibly Sol)
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Just trying to help out as reported issues with the cooling on the card which I know first hand.
One thing you can do which I have done on my vid cards is to get the nvidia performance control panel and try underclocking components of your video card. I had a 7900gt once and when I started playing vanguard it would after a little while start generating video artifacts and doing wierd stuff. I decreased the clock speed a bit and the problems went away. Eventually I replaced the card as while this worked for like 6 months it eventually came back and decreasing the clock didn't help as much and eventually it just completely stopped working.
That card also worked well for other games and only had issues with vanguard. But vanguard was the most intensive graphics game I ran. Also it is true that as thing heat up they will change and start showing errors and a general hardware debug technic when trying to find a bad component is to spray chips with cold air to cool them down to see if problems go away. So yeah aoc being a very graphically intensive game might be pushing your chips harder which will cause them to become hotter. Heating the chips will stress them and if they are poor or failing will cause failures like you are seeing.
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ClearSam
I dont have to cover any failures. This topic is not about how hardware can be destroyed. And its defently not about flaming like you have been doing and therefor have already been reported when I was gonna report you.
this topic is also not about trolling, misconception, ignorance, fact twisting, misleading information etc...
this topic is about someone who thinks that testing DX10 in the AoC client broke his video card. you were confirming that, and everybody else including myself is trying to correct you, and let you know that software DOES NOT break video cards. but you just keep incisting and posting the same thing.
here is something else, just in case you dont know it:
video cards and like any other electronic component are made of basic components (transistors, capacitors, diodes, resistors etc...), since everything is mass produced, every component has a defect probability and a predefined well known life span.
so when an assembler like BFG makes a card, they know exactly how long it will live depending on the load.
now, take this as a friendly useful information or as a flame to discard.
but still will not change any facts.
I agree with this. I run F@H while at work and it really maxes your card. I think this would be a good easy test.
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