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rehp
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I'm getting tired of pvp with mmos. It's either ganking or zerging. Anyone know any mmos that provide or encourage small grp pvp akin to daoc?
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There are plenty of games that advertise PVP. I don't really have one in mind that I can recommend for you. I'm curious though if you share my viewpoint on PVP. That is do you think that PVP that serves no purpose other than killing other players is boring and would you be interested in a PVP game where there was reasons for engaging in PVP, such as fighting over a strategic resource etc?
You prob not going to like me answer but your answer is wow battleground
. You 2v2 pvp, 3v3, 5v5, 10v10 or all out 40vs40 depend on what you want. If you want somewhat fair and balance pvp out in the open world, you're out of luck. People like me will away get what ever advantage I can get as long as it is within the rule. I only pick battle that I can win and if that required me to take 4 or 5 other people just to take you down, you bet your ass I will.
F pvp in mmos.pvp in mmos is either ganking and high lv bully low lv. no skill. just high lv win. ebayer wn.
play a real pvp game called console. street fighter 4, soul calibur 4, tekken 6, midnight club la, lotr conquest
Not sure what version of DAOC you played, but zerging was definitely a preferred tactic on many servers. (though Mordred was famous for its 8 man teams)
How about Guild Wars, nothing but 8 vs 8 there, can't be any more balanced.
I'm from the old school, if you find yourself in a fair PVP fight, you've done something very wrong.
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you advertise WoW of having good pvp? WoW pvp is the worst pvp Ive ever played instanced as well as non-instanced. But sure theres alot of folks there and it results in lots more options, still I cant help but chuckle a bit.
Most hardcore players here will either recommend you to play EvE/AoC/Warhammer but those arent really small grp. EvE can be, but most of the time its not.
I sugest you take a peak at the smaller IP's in genre. I play City of heroes myself atm and there seems to be lots of small group pvp going on although I cant confirm that maybe someone here can
Warhammer Online. It's like Team Fortress 2... with Orcs! And I mean that in best way imaginable. Besides, it's by the same guys that made DAoC.
But don't take my word for it; give the free trial a shot and make up your own mind if it's right for you. You just might be as pleasantly surprised as I was.
A lot of MMORPGs advertise themselves as having PvP, but don't mention that they have really, really bad PvP.
You could try Guild Wars. Everyone is max level with essentially perfect gear in PvP, and it's fixed size teams at 4 on 4, 8 on 8, or 12 on 12.
I'd say that Guild Wars got the by far best small-scale PvP in any MMO I've ever seen. Personally I've never actually PvPed or played EVE very much but from what I've heard the PvP seems to be quite awesome, I'd encourage you to try it out if you've not already.
DAOC had pvp right. The 8 man gank groups battling each other on the frontiers was the most excitement I've had in a MMO yet. It did get zergy especially in emain and keep raids but they were still fun. I don't know how mythic got it wrong with warhammer but daoc's rvr was fun.
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Although I know DAOC had a lot of small group play. I remember a lot of ganking and zerging with DAOC as well. IN the end, there is no one perfect PvP MMO. HOwever, i do enjoy the Keep sieges in DAOC still (and a little bit in WAR, but not as much as was in DAOC). Decent small group fights in Darkfall at times. But more often is a group of 7 running down a bunch of fleeing harvesters (Which can be fun ..its like scaring a flock of pidgeons)
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Come to where the true skilled hardcore gamers play FPS online like Call of Duty, Battlefield series and so on. FU@K PvP mmorpgs, a bunch of no skilled players relying on scripting, exploiting, ganking and other pathetic means of playing against real opponents.
At least in FPS online games it can be controlled and even still they can still be killed if using such means.
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you advertise WoW of having good pvp? WoW pvp is the worst pvp Ive ever played instanced as well as non-instanced. But sure theres alot of folks there and it results in lots more options, still I cant help but chuckle a bit.
Most hardcore players here will either recommend you to play EvE/AoC/Warhammer but those arent really small grp. EvE can be, but most of the time its not.
I sugest you take a peak at the smaller IP's in genre. I play City of heroes myself atm and there seems to be lots of small group pvp going on although I cant confirm that maybe someone here can
I knew someone going to say this. As a matter of fact, I've played alot of other MMORPG including lotro, eve online, vanguard, eq2, and even AoC for a brief moment of time. While I know people love to hate on the big boy, I simple find that WoW have the most balanced and fluid class system out there for pvp. It is not too fast or too slow. While it is still unbalanced, one character don't have an absolute domination over another. Skill as well as gear is very important in that game when it come to high level group pvp like arena. The higher rank you get, the most difficult it is for you to beat other player simple cause you have to fight people at your own rank. Outside of arena and into battleground, things get a little more hectic, but skill and stragegy still come into play if you want to pull of a win. Simple zerging will more often than not cause your team to loose that battleground. As for wow pvp, they got wintergrasp now which is kind of like another huge battle ground where hundreds of player can fly in to join the all out epic war.
Now I know I could be a little bias, but in eve you don't really have the option of go out and fight other people similar to your level and have a decent chalenge. More often than not, when you got yourself into a situation, one person will totally outclass, outnumber, or both against the other person. Eq2 balance was so horrible i'm not even going to bother talking about it since the game was designed for pve in the first place. Vanguard is the game, the game revolved more around pve and character like ranger just totally outclass almost any other class in pvp that it make you wonder what the point of having pvp in that game at all. Lotro was run, but you don't really get to fight eachother, the closest thing they got to pvp in that game was monster play. I tried it a couple of time, and it is really fun, but not the same. Finally AoC, when I first started playing, that game was an absolute nightmire, i play a range caster class and pretty much no melee fighter could ever touch while i run around blasting him to kingdom come. So yea, please well me another mmo that offer me an easy way to fight small grouped pvp anytime I want as smooth, fast paced, and polished as wow.
I know everyone love to hate on the big boy, but people seriously need to give credit where credit is due.
Well Neocron is a cyberpunk/sci_fi blend of FPS and MMORPG and it's pvp is fun and not instanced. World environment is huge, with tough mobs and bosses for those who also like pve as well. You get the best of both worlds (pvp and pve) and it's class/skill character progression as well as weapon/armor Tech Level requirements. The only downside would be that the graphics are a bit dated as this is an old title, but still fun to play (and no monthly fee).
I don't want instances either, and I prefer no aiming. daoc had zergs and ganks true, but running an 8man you could easily avoid both while trying to find other 8s. I do want pvp to mean something yes, I kind of want it focus like warhammer with seiges but focused for smaller groups, not who brings more people. I am definitely not old school with the pvp, I'm looking for a realitively fair fight. I loved when my 8man saw another 8man in open field, no advantages, no suprises, just who would play as a team the best. Now take that and make it mean something in the game and I'm subscribing for years. WoW is instanced, instances take away from the pvp having meaning. . .yeah warhammer tried to fix that with their zone control but they failed MISERABLY.
LOL Guild Wars
maybe just what you're looking for
My question to you is what is it about instance that you don't like so much in pvp. If anything I perfered the WoW way mainly because I know if I ever want to get my pvp on against another group of players, it would take 5 minutes top till I fling spells left and right trying to catch that sneaky rogue. WIthout it, sometime you can go for an hour or two without finding a meaningful chalange. Even worse, when you do, you might just get overun by a group of 16 players. Now I'm not saying if one game is better at pvp than another. But if a person want to get a decent group pvp against player similar to there level, wouldn't the wow system be the best way to do so?
MMORPG FFA PvP where carebears delude themselves into thinking they are "Hardcore."
www.eveonline.com, pick your fights.
MMORPG FFA PvP where carebears delude themselves into thinking they are "Hardcore."
Dont get that confused.
Carebear PvP is far more skilled then Hardcore PvP.
Hardcore is only Zerg fest.
Carebear takes skill. Try getting to the top of the Arena Charts in WoW during Season 1 as a Ret Paladin. Cant say that doesnt take Skill.
Did you even read this?
"Originally posted by rehp
I'm getting tired of pvp with mmos. It's either ganking or zerging. Anyone know any mmos that provide or encourage small grp pvp akin to daoc?"
You recommended AoC which is full of ganking and zerging. WoW was atleast a better sugestion. And isn't most of AoC world highly instanced?
The reason I tend to shy away from instances is that they don't usually have any impact on the game. What I mean is that most instances seem like glorified arenas and they usually take away from open world pvp. With arhammer and WoW the instances were easily access so much so that they effectively kill open world pvp. It's a benefit that you can get pvp alot faster with instancing I just would prefer taking a bit longer to find pvp that had some type of effect or benefit on open world goings on.
you advertise WoW of having good pvp? WoW pvp is the worst pvp Ive ever played instanced as well as non-instanced. But sure theres alot of folks there and it results in lots more options, still I cant help but chuckle a bit.
Most hardcore players here will either recommend you to play EvE/AoC/Warhammer but those arent really small grp. EvE can be, but most of the time its not.
I sugest you take a peak at the smaller IP's in genre. I play City of heroes myself atm and there seems to be lots of small group pvp going on although I cant confirm that maybe someone here can
Bandwagon much?
And CoH pvp?
Were you high when you wrote that?
I completely agree.
I wish another game would come around that did pvp like daoc did minus the bad engine and screen dragging etc.
Noticed your from HB, my hometown. Small world.
MMORPG FFA PvP where carebears delude themselves into thinking they are "Hardcore."
Dont get that confused.
Carebear PvP is far more skilled then Hardcore PvP.
Hardcore is only Zerg fest.
Carebear takes skill. Try getting to the top of the Arena Charts in WoW during Season 1 as a Ret Paladin. Cant say that doesnt take Skill.
3 posts in a row...hmm where was I
Your sarcasm is lost on the fact that everyone in WoW doesnt play Ret Pallys.
Everyone plays Death Knights :P
But seriously, I hate arena pvp personally but beside the DK/Ret combo, it definitely takes some dedication and skill to succeed in arena.