No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
I think what WSIMike is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Mike) is:
"Any port in a storm".
But he is still wrong cause i had high hopes forTR, PotBS and AoC (WAR not so much) ..and many had but they didn't delivered like DF did..
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No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
As always, you're dancing disingenuously around the point.
The point, once again, is that many have been looking for the *kind of gameplay* of UO pre-Trammel, and haven't yet found it.
To quote the OP directly, yet again:
"You've been robbed of your preferred gameplay stylefor a decade (pre Trammel UO being themost often recognizedmodel)."
Relevant parts are colored, bolded and/or underline for context and emphasis.
It's the *preferred style of gameplay* at the core of the discussion. It just so happens that pre-Trammel UO is the one most mentioned as the example - not the *only* one, which the author also accounts for by saying it's the "most often recognized".. "most" does not equal "all".
Erego, you don't have to have played pre-Trammel UO to have been longing for that style of gameplay. It just so happens that pre-Trammel UO is the game most used as an example of that style.
Comprende?
If you went to those other games expecting or hoping for that kind of open-PvP, sandbox experience, then you went in with false expectations, not merely "high" ones. As I said before, none of those games were designed nor advertised as sandbox MMOs with FFA, full-loot PvP.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
I think what WSIMike is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Mike) is:
"Any port in a storm".
But he is still wrong cause i had high hopes forTR, PotBS and AoC (WAR not so much) ..and many had but they didn't delivered like DF did..
No, I'm not wrong.
True to character, you are taking things completely out of context and then trying to argue them.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves, and are responded to with "Yeah! Me too!" But the moment it's brought up in any way that *might* be taken (out of context) as a negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a thread it's not even relevant to. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves.. but the moment it's brought up in any way that might be taken as a -gasp- negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a post that in no way mentions it. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves.. but the moment it's brought up in any way that might be taken as a -gasp- negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a post that in no way mentions it. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
I've been following these forums for a time and, with some exceptions, no one's crucifying anyone. People *do* however point out flaws in people's logic, or call them out for wearing rose-colored glasses, refusing to recognize or accept *any* criticism of the game... which many absolutely do.
As for people being crucified for their choice of a game... Shall I do some digging and refer you to some of the less-than-complimentary posts made by DF followers in other games' forums, bashing the games and those playing them, calling them "carebears" and "Themepark kiddies" and all manner of things?
Have you seen the flaming anyone who posts a negative opinion of DF - not even *bashing* it - gets in this forum? Even someone who's played the game and has criticisms of it is thrown to the wolves.
That door swings quite demonstrably both ways.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
they aso think the game has no grind cause its skill based instead of lvl aswell gg lol
to their credit, there really is no grind if you macro, which is frowned upon but definately feasable. (and i think this is a good thing considering the DF grind is INTENSE
Ahh, the Rose Colored Glasses. I have a pair of those. Some how they kept jumping onto my face everytime I remember EQ1. They really do change how you perceive something. It amazes me how I can remember my favorite game and then go back resub for a month and see my glasses get shattered, yet they always magically fix themselves 6 months to a year later hehe.
I understand the OP and a few others in here. EQ1 was my first love for mmo's so I am always wanting to find something similar to it. Actually, I have narrowed down the exact things I have been looking for and no game has ever been able to recreate it. For me it was just a few things as there are tons of things that I actually disliked about EQ. But the two major things that I have been searching for in an mmo and I am afraid that these are gone forever is, Slow combat. Remember when it took 2-3 minutes to kill a simple creature? Remember that a dragon fight could last 30 minutes to several hours depending on the type you were fighting? Back then you had TIME on your side. You actually had time to decide the best tactics while you were actually fighting something. You had time to retreat if things were looking bad (depending on where you were at). It was nothing like todays games where a fight is over in 10 seconds or less. If your healer blinks or just actually wants to see what the fight is looking like, you could/probably died because there was no time to enjoy the fight itself. There is no time to find the little details on creatures, how can you when the fight is over in 10 seconds? however, I am much older now and dont have the time it would take to level in a game such as that. What I would like to see is the slower pace fighting and much more exp gained per kill. That way you still get to enjoy the fight itself and can feel like your actually gaining something in the short amount of time the older folks have to play.
The other big thing for me was the overall feel of the zones. Those that played will never forget Loading... Please wait... Yet because of that, each area was unique in its feel. The only game that has come close to that feel is vanguard but it still couldn't match it. Seemless worlds are very nice for the eye candy but to me they have to much wasted space that actually detracts from the overall experience of the game.
Dangit, my glasses just showed up again. If only I could find a similar game like that again. I think that is why I pretty much try just about every new mmo that comes out. In hopes that it has the aspects that I am looking for. I guess you could say that I am looking for my Pre trammal type game (minus the pvp) and would jump on it fast if I could find it.
they aso think the game has no grind cause its skill based instead of lvl aswell gg lol
to their credit, there really is no grind if you macro, which is frowned upon but definately feasable. (and i think this is a good thing considering the DF grind is INTENSE
To their further credit, there really is no "skill" grinding, there is level grinding. Grind ( or macro ) 1-25 *ding* level up, 26-50 *ding* level up, 51-75 *ding* level up, 76-100 *ding* level up.
Only time I've ever seen people excited to play a game with four levels.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
Do you want to know the reason why? It's because fanboys come on these forums and proclaim it's the best game ever with nothing supporting their claims except ffa pvp and full loot. No other game forum ive ever seen has had so many fanboys. Especially when the game fails to deliver on most of their feature list.
Sure some people will still like the game and rightfully so. Just don't come on these forums which are not the "all negative posts will be deleted immediatly" forums otherwise known as DF forums and preach it's the best game ever. Most non blind mmo people who even love this style game know it's lacking in a lot of areas. When a game charges the same price as every other mmo it should deliver equal quality. This game does not, and quite frankly a lot of f2p mmos deliver the same quality. Sure it's just my opinion. One that 70-80% of people agree with.
they aso think the game has no grind cause its skill based instead of lvl aswell gg lol
to their credit, there really is no grind if you macro, which is frowned upon but definately feasable. (and i think this is a good thing considering the DF grind is INTENSE
To their further credit, there really is no "skill" grinding, there is level grinding. Grind ( or macro ) 1-25 *ding* level up, 26-50 *ding* level up, 51-75 *ding* level up, 76-100 *ding* level up.
Only time I've ever seen people excited to play a game with four levels.
This is absurd! Darkfall promised a skill based game! There is nothing more fun than whacking someone to death to find your sword skill go from 20-21 and knowing you now do that much more damage!
I give this game 6 months before it goes Free To Play with Cash Shop. Then another couple of months before Mortal Online comes out and puts it out of its misery.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
Do you want to know the reason why? It's because fanboys come on these forums and proclaim it's the best game ever with nothing supporting their claims except ffa pvp and full loot. No other game forum ive ever seen has had so many fanboys. Especially when the game fails to deliver on most of their feature list.
Sure some people will still like the game and rightfully so. Just don't come on these forums which are not the "all negative posts will be deleted immediatly" forums otherwise known as DF forums and preach it's the best game ever. Most non blind mmo people who even love this style game know it's lacking in a lot of areas. When a game charges the same price as every other mmo it should deliver equal quality. This game does not, and quite frankly a lot of f2p mmos deliver the same quality. Sure it's just my opinion. One that 70-80% of people agree with.
Yup, I agree with this comment right here. 2 months before Darkfall's launch I decided to actually take a look at the games website to see what it was abotu since everyone ont hese forums kept mentioning it. I was skeptical of the character concept artworks they had displayed.
Then I looked at screen shots of the game and was horrifid. There was no art direction or standards. Some characters had crisp smooth armor with low poly blocky heads. Character armor was this extremely high gloss metal yet the rest of the textures around them were bland and blurry. Color shcemes were all over the place. One building had to different types of white on it that just did not work well at all.
to draw my final conclusion I looked at the gameplay trailers that were out at the time. I nearly gagged when I saw animations that were utterly horrible. Why do the Ogres look like their holding and stroking an Epeen in their hands as they run? I could do better animatino for this game and it made me sad. I saw no magic, no thrillling special attack, no healing, no crafting, just regular melee hits and shotting of bows form gank squads focus firing single targets.
No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves.. but the moment it's brought up in any way that might be taken as a -gasp- negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a post that in no way mentions it. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
I've been following these forums for a time and, with some exceptions, no one's crucifying anyone. People *do* however point out flaws in people's logic, or call them out for wearing rose-colored glasses, refusing to recognize or accept *any* criticism of the game... which many absolutely do.
As for people being crucified for their choice of a game... Shall I do some digging and refer you to some of the less-than-complimentary posts made by DF followers in other games' forums, bashing the games and those playing them, calling them "carebears" and "Themepark kiddies" and all manner of things?
Have you seen the flaming anyone who posts a negative opinion of DF - not even *bashing* it - gets in this forum? Even someone who's played the game and has criticisms of it is thrown to the wolves.
That door swings quite demonstrably both ways.
You'll have to forgive Signus... he gets a bit surly after doing his modding gig on Forumfall.
I think most of us have you figured out, DF fanboys. You've been robbed of your preferred gameplay style for a decade (pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model). Actually I can sympathize, and I think that most people can. Show anyone their own personal nirvana just long enough then yank it away from them and it'll leave a bitter hollow shell of a person for a long time. And I don't mean that as a flame, I mean it quite sympathetically. It seems though that a lot of you have been feining for that hit for so long that you will quite literally take, and have quite literally taken, ANYTHING that comes your way. The same fanatical group has defended to the hilt almost every botched, craptastic launch and game since 1997, so long as the style of gameplay adheres to a purist open world pvp model. Darkfall is just the latest. The next big thing will see the same, and if it falls down as badly the same delayed recognition of reality will be in evidence. So really we should feel sorry for this group. Not out of any sense of superiority, or any other negative connotation, but because this group of fellow PC gamers that has been routinely crapped on, lied to, dismissed and stepped on by opportunistic developers for longer and with more severity than any other. Its unfortunate that many of them cling so tightly to the pipe dreams that keep coming down the road, and there is a lot of fault in that. And its practically undeniable that Darkfall sucks horribly. But some of us understand, fellow gamers. The short end of the stick, for so long, sucks. Just try to recognize that short end a bit more often, and react accordingly, like the rest of us. Don't be such easy shills for the people and corporations that only care enough to take advantage of you. End $0.02
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
all this hatred about darkfall the crap you never played nor touched, the crap you knew were crap before even seeing the first video. Because the developers are crap, the community is crap and in the end the game is crap, crap crap crap...
seriously though why keep flaming, let the retards hardcore/fanboys play their little fairy online. Besides it has always been darkfall vs the world, the community be little like neo nazis werest theyl defend their pety ideas and theologies to the end.. or till they themselves realise that what their doing is crap. But thats not for us to say when, how or why. If the game is as bad as other fanboys and bitter ol mmo fanatics who cant find a new good mmo then they will leave some time.
For me the entire DF concept brings me really bad memories from RF online with its constant grinding and from time to time PvP which usually was completely one sided.
[quote] [i]Originally posted by Korvenus[/i] I give this game 6 months before it goes Free To Play with Cash Shop. Then another couple of months before Mortal Online comes out and puts it out of its misery. [/quote]
What so you think cause this game got another name itl be better, this will be the same crap in another name.. thats what I think anyway, ofc I could be wrong but.. it smells DF intentions all over it.
fughasffhfFGHFdfh DFHGFFFGH DFDFDF DFFDFF ffdhfhFg fgfgf fgff aaaaaaaayyhghhygfuuug Why are all these dumb guys above bothering to post all this articulate crap when it can easily be related to my above sentenceschwimm. Making a statement about DF has gotton to the point where it's just kids in a sandbox fending off jerkheads with their scooters trying to make the littler kids in the sandbox cry bcuz they got their scooter which gogogo, yet to do anything in sand you half to build. Sand was never perfect, but sand is sand. But the big bigger kids on scooters are still jerks that get popped in the face when they wreck a sandcastle. If you must, I am the girl who watches the scooter kids get in a fight with the sandbox kids because they kept pushing them. Then all of a sudden the sandbox kids impaled the scooter kids, and in a ray of last resort, the scooter kids shanked the sandbox kids with a bobthebuilder screw-driver. Can we do it? YES WE CAN! But it's still prety stupid. So the little girl went crying home and said mommy mommy, theirs a bunch-a shit going on over at the sandbox yo.
I am in no way referencing random forum squander about darkfall, I just thought id shed some light on what happened when I was taking a trip across a park a while back. muahahaha.
I think most of us have you figured out, DF fanboys. You've been robbed of your preferred gameplay style for a decade (pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model). Actually I can sympathize, and I think that most people can. Show anyone their own personal nirvana just long enough then yank it away from them and it'll leave a bitter hollow shell of a person for a long time. And I don't mean that as a flame, I mean it quite sympathetically. It seems though that a lot of you have been feining for that hit for so long that you will quite literally take, and have quite literally taken, ANYTHING that comes your way. The same fanatical group has defended to the hilt almost every botched, craptastic launch and game since 1997, so long as the style of gameplay adheres to a purist open world pvp model. Darkfall is just the latest. The next big thing will see the same, and if it falls down as badly the same delayed recognition of reality will be in evidence. So really we should feel sorry for this group. Not out of any sense of superiority, or any other negative connotation, but because this group of fellow PC gamers that has been routinely crapped on, lied to, dismissed and stepped on by opportunistic developers for longer and with more severity than any other. Its unfortunate that many of them cling so tightly to the pipe dreams that keep coming down the road, and there is a lot of fault in that. And its practically undeniable that Darkfall sucks horribly. But some of us understand, fellow gamers. The short end of the stick, for so long, sucks. Just try to recognize that short end a bit more often, and react accordingly, like the rest of us. Don't be such easy shills for the people and corporations that only care enough to take advantage of you. End $0.02
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
This post is best read with a bit of sarcasm.
daarco - Elite Member
Real Name: Jan-E
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Last Visit: March 31, 2009
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Real life Martial Arts instructor, and around the world backpacker. Damn MMOs to keep me home so much!
MMOs i have played:
SWG
Shadowbane
DDO
EVE
CoH
Lineage 2
and then i have tryed all others with a trial.
I have Darkfall now!
Caution: Game May Cause Care Bears To Populate Forums
So you're saying those games are the choice of "picky" fanbois?
Or should I widen my sarcasm range, as a "bit" of sarcasm wouldn't cover this.
I think most of us have you figured out, DF fanboys. You've been robbed of your preferred gameplay style for a decade (pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model). Actually I can sympathize, and I think that most people can. Show anyone their own personal nirvana just long enough then yank it away from them and it'll leave a bitter hollow shell of a person for a long time. And I don't mean that as a flame, I mean it quite sympathetically. It seems though that a lot of you have been feining for that hit for so long that you will quite literally take, and have quite literally taken, ANYTHING that comes your way. The same fanatical group has defended to the hilt almost every botched, craptastic launch and game since 1997, so long as the style of gameplay adheres to a purist open world pvp model. Darkfall is just the latest. The next big thing will see the same, and if it falls down as badly the same delayed recognition of reality will be in evidence. So really we should feel sorry for this group. Not out of any sense of superiority, or any other negative connotation, but because this group of fellow PC gamers that has been routinely crapped on, lied to, dismissed and stepped on by opportunistic developers for longer and with more severity than any other. Its unfortunate that many of them cling so tightly to the pipe dreams that keep coming down the road, and there is a lot of fault in that. And its practically undeniable that Darkfall sucks horribly. But some of us understand, fellow gamers. The short end of the stick, for so long, sucks. Just try to recognize that short end a bit more often, and react accordingly, like the rest of us. Don't be such easy shills for the people and corporations that only care enough to take advantage of you. End $0.02
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
This post is best read with a bit of sarcasm.
daarco - Elite Member
Real Name: Jan-E
Member since December 19, 2006
Last Visit: March 31, 2009
30 year old Male from Gavle/Stockholm, Sweden
Email: hen782002@yahoo.se
Posted 3006 times in the Discussion Forums
Real life Martial Arts instructor, and around the world backpacker. Damn MMOs to keep me home so much!
MMOs i have played:
SWG
Shadowbane
DDO
EVE
CoH
Lineage 2
and then i have tryed all others with a trial.
I have Darkfall now!
Caution: Game May Cause Care Bears To Populate Forums
So you're saying those games are the choice of "picky" fanbois?
Or should I widen my sarcasm range, as a "bit" of sarcasm wouldn't cover this.
Yep, none of those games were any good. Atleast i try them before whining about them : )
My gf even tryed WoW for a couple of days. But i refuse to add that to the list.
they aso think the game has no grind cause its skill based instead of lvl aswell gg lol
It is level based, they just haven't forced their minds to acknowledge it yet.
The "skills" only show improvement at predetermined points. Therefore, skilling up is in reality grinding from one improvement point to another. In other games, we call that leveling.
The "skill" system is just like Tasos. It tells you what you want to hear ( skills ) while actually giving you lesser ( levels ).
Spot on. What they disguise as a "skill system" is in fact levels 1-4. You get an increase every 25 skill points you grind. There is no difference from 1-24, then you hit 25 and ding. Same with 25-49, etc.
No skill based games you don't become stronger each time you get a skill but you just have more options. Level based games you become stronger with more HP etc etc. as ypou level up which means all the content before your level is useless and if you have friends playing then you can't play together until you get to their level. In a skill based game like SWG you could play with your friends from the start because you just unlocked more skills as you gained XP instead of levels.
I think most of us have you figured out, DF fanboys. You've been robbed of your preferred gameplay style for a decade (pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model). Actually I can sympathize, and I think that most people can. Show anyone their own personal nirvana just long enough then yank it away from them and it'll leave a bitter hollow shell of a person for a long time. And I don't mean that as a flame, I mean it quite sympathetically. It seems though that a lot of you have been feining for that hit for so long that you will quite literally take, and have quite literally taken, ANYTHING that comes your way. The same fanatical group has defended to the hilt almost every botched, craptastic launch and game since 1997, so long as the style of gameplay adheres to a purist open world pvp model. Darkfall is just the latest. The next big thing will see the same, and if it falls down as badly the same delayed recognition of reality will be in evidence. So really we should feel sorry for this group. Not out of any sense of superiority, or any other negative connotation, but because this group of fellow PC gamers that has been routinely crapped on, lied to, dismissed and stepped on by opportunistic developers for longer and with more severity than any other. Its unfortunate that many of them cling so tightly to the pipe dreams that keep coming down the road, and there is a lot of fault in that. And its practically undeniable that Darkfall sucks horribly. But some of us understand, fellow gamers. The short end of the stick, for so long, sucks. Just try to recognize that short end a bit more often, and react accordingly, like the rest of us. Don't be such easy shills for the people and corporations that only care enough to take advantage of you. End $0.02
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
This post is best read with a bit of sarcasm.
daarco - Elite Member
Real Name: Jan-E
Member since December 19, 2006
Last Visit: March 31, 2009
30 year old Male from Gavle/Stockholm, Sweden
Email: hen782002@yahoo.se
Posted 3006 times in the Discussion Forums
Real life Martial Arts instructor, and around the world backpacker. Damn MMOs to keep me home so much!
MMOs i have played:
SWG
Shadowbane
DDO
EVE
CoH
Lineage 2
and then i have tryed all others with a trial.
I have Darkfall now!
Caution: Game May Cause Care Bears To Populate Forums
So you're saying those games are the choice of "picky" fanbois?
Or should I widen my sarcasm range, as a "bit" of sarcasm wouldn't cover this.
Yep, none of those games were any good. Atleast i try them before whining about them : )
My gf even tryed WoW for a couple of days. But i refuse to add that to the list.
Are you saying that you tried WoW also, but refuse to add it to your list? If so, why? "Peer Pressure"?
I guess I lost/missed something in the translation...
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Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
I think what WSIMike is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Mike) is:
"Any port in a storm".
But he is still wrong cause i had high hopes forTR, PotBS and AoC (WAR not so much) ..and many had but they didn't delivered like DF did..
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
As always, you're dancing disingenuously around the point.
The point, once again, is that many have been looking for the *kind of gameplay* of UO pre-Trammel, and haven't yet found it.
To quote the OP directly, yet again:
"You've been robbed of your preferred gameplay style for a decade (pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model)."
Relevant parts are colored, bolded and/or underline for context and emphasis.
It's the *preferred style of gameplay* at the core of the discussion. It just so happens that pre-Trammel UO is the one most mentioned as the example - not the *only* one, which the author also accounts for by saying it's the "most often recognized".. "most" does not equal "all".
Erego, you don't have to have played pre-Trammel UO to have been longing for that style of gameplay. It just so happens that pre-Trammel UO is the game most used as an example of that style.
Comprende?
If you went to those other games expecting or hoping for that kind of open-PvP, sandbox experience, then you went in with false expectations, not merely "high" ones. As I said before, none of those games were designed nor advertised as sandbox MMOs with FFA, full-loot PvP.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
I think what WSIMike is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Mike) is:
"Any port in a storm".
But he is still wrong cause i had high hopes forTR, PotBS and AoC (WAR not so much) ..and many had but they didn't delivered like DF did..
No, I'm not wrong.
True to character, you are taking things completely out of context and then trying to argue them.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Only if someone slaps you on the back while doing it...
Oh no wait.. that's if you're making goofy faces..
Hmmm
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Darkfall Travelogues!
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves, and are responded to with "Yeah! Me too!" But the moment it's brought up in any way that *might* be taken (out of context) as a negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a thread it's not even relevant to. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves.. but the moment it's brought up in any way that might be taken as a -gasp- negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a post that in no way mentions it. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
Darkfall Travelogues!
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves.. but the moment it's brought up in any way that might be taken as a -gasp- negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a post that in no way mentions it. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
I've been following these forums for a time and, with some exceptions, no one's crucifying anyone. People *do* however point out flaws in people's logic, or call them out for wearing rose-colored glasses, refusing to recognize or accept *any* criticism of the game... which many absolutely do.
As for people being crucified for their choice of a game... Shall I do some digging and refer you to some of the less-than-complimentary posts made by DF followers in other games' forums, bashing the games and those playing them, calling them "carebears" and "Themepark kiddies" and all manner of things?
Have you seen the flaming anyone who posts a negative opinion of DF - not even *bashing* it - gets in this forum? Even someone who's played the game and has criticisms of it is thrown to the wolves.
That door swings quite demonstrably both ways.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
to their credit, there really is no grind if you macro, which is frowned upon but definately feasable. (and i think this is a good thing considering the DF grind is INTENSE
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
When I'm at default I'm:
WHITE/BLUE
Lol according to this I'm bipolar :O
Ahh, the Rose Colored Glasses. I have a pair of those. Some how they kept jumping onto my face everytime I remember EQ1. They really do change how you perceive something. It amazes me how I can remember my favorite game and then go back resub for a month and see my glasses get shattered, yet they always magically fix themselves 6 months to a year later hehe.
I understand the OP and a few others in here. EQ1 was my first love for mmo's so I am always wanting to find something similar to it. Actually, I have narrowed down the exact things I have been looking for and no game has ever been able to recreate it. For me it was just a few things as there are tons of things that I actually disliked about EQ. But the two major things that I have been searching for in an mmo and I am afraid that these are gone forever is, Slow combat. Remember when it took 2-3 minutes to kill a simple creature? Remember that a dragon fight could last 30 minutes to several hours depending on the type you were fighting? Back then you had TIME on your side. You actually had time to decide the best tactics while you were actually fighting something. You had time to retreat if things were looking bad (depending on where you were at). It was nothing like todays games where a fight is over in 10 seconds or less. If your healer blinks or just actually wants to see what the fight is looking like, you could/probably died because there was no time to enjoy the fight itself. There is no time to find the little details on creatures, how can you when the fight is over in 10 seconds? however, I am much older now and dont have the time it would take to level in a game such as that. What I would like to see is the slower pace fighting and much more exp gained per kill. That way you still get to enjoy the fight itself and can feel like your actually gaining something in the short amount of time the older folks have to play.
The other big thing for me was the overall feel of the zones. Those that played will never forget Loading... Please wait... Yet because of that, each area was unique in its feel. The only game that has come close to that feel is vanguard but it still couldn't match it. Seemless worlds are very nice for the eye candy but to me they have to much wasted space that actually detracts from the overall experience of the game.
Dangit, my glasses just showed up again. If only I could find a similar game like that again. I think that is why I pretty much try just about every new mmo that comes out. In hopes that it has the aspects that I am looking for. I guess you could say that I am looking for my Pre trammal type game (minus the pvp) and would jump on it fast if I could find it.
to their credit, there really is no grind if you macro, which is frowned upon but definately feasable. (and i think this is a good thing considering the DF grind is INTENSE
To their further credit, there really is no "skill" grinding, there is level grinding. Grind ( or macro ) 1-25 *ding* level up, 26-50 *ding* level up, 51-75 *ding* level up, 76-100 *ding* level up.
Only time I've ever seen people excited to play a game with four levels.
Do you want to know the reason why? It's because fanboys come on these forums and proclaim it's the best game ever with nothing supporting their claims except ffa pvp and full loot. No other game forum ive ever seen has had so many fanboys. Especially when the game fails to deliver on most of their feature list.
Sure some people will still like the game and rightfully so. Just don't come on these forums which are not the "all negative posts will be deleted immediatly" forums otherwise known as DF forums and preach it's the best game ever. Most non blind mmo people who even love this style game know it's lacking in a lot of areas. When a game charges the same price as every other mmo it should deliver equal quality. This game does not, and quite frankly a lot of f2p mmos deliver the same quality. Sure it's just my opinion. One that 70-80% of people agree with.
to their credit, there really is no grind if you macro, which is frowned upon but definately feasable. (and i think this is a good thing considering the DF grind is INTENSE
To their further credit, there really is no "skill" grinding, there is level grinding. Grind ( or macro ) 1-25 *ding* level up, 26-50 *ding* level up, 51-75 *ding* level up, 76-100 *ding* level up.
Only time I've ever seen people excited to play a game with four levels.
This is absurd! Darkfall promised a skill based game! There is nothing more fun than whacking someone to death to find your sword skill go from 20-21 and knowing you now do that much more damage!
/sarcasm
I give this game 6 months before it goes Free To Play with Cash Shop. Then another couple of months before Mortal Online comes out and puts it out of its misery.
Do you want to know the reason why? It's because fanboys come on these forums and proclaim it's the best game ever with nothing supporting their claims except ffa pvp and full loot. No other game forum ive ever seen has had so many fanboys. Especially when the game fails to deliver on most of their feature list.
Sure some people will still like the game and rightfully so. Just don't come on these forums which are not the "all negative posts will be deleted immediatly" forums otherwise known as DF forums and preach it's the best game ever. Most non blind mmo people who even love this style game know it's lacking in a lot of areas. When a game charges the same price as every other mmo it should deliver equal quality. This game does not, and quite frankly a lot of f2p mmos deliver the same quality. Sure it's just my opinion. One that 70-80% of people agree with.
Yup, I agree with this comment right here. 2 months before Darkfall's launch I decided to actually take a look at the games website to see what it was abotu since everyone ont hese forums kept mentioning it. I was skeptical of the character concept artworks they had displayed.
Then I looked at screen shots of the game and was horrifid. There was no art direction or standards. Some characters had crisp smooth armor with low poly blocky heads. Character armor was this extremely high gloss metal yet the rest of the textures around them were bland and blurry. Color shcemes were all over the place. One building had to different types of white on it that just did not work well at all.
to draw my final conclusion I looked at the gameplay trailers that were out at the time. I nearly gagged when I saw animations that were utterly horrible. Why do the Ogres look like their holding and stroking an Epeen in their hands as they run? I could do better animatino for this game and it made me sad. I saw no magic, no thrillling special attack, no healing, no crafting, just regular melee hits and shotting of bows form gank squads focus firing single targets.
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
I didn't play UO, I was raised on Dark Age of Camelot and I've never played a FFA PvP MMO before, and I also enjoy PvE. I also haven't played an MMO in 3 years because they've all been souless trash with the exception of Eve and Vanguard(but Vanguard is going nowhere and sort of turning into WoW).
Okay... so perhaps the OP doesn't apply to you. Wonderful. It applies to many others, by their own say-so.
Why do so many people think that if something doesn't specifically apply to *them* it's automatically invalid for everyone?
So, try to pigeon hole us all into mindless foaming at the mouth PvP nuts that would have accepted anything. Obviously, if I haven't been playing games in a genre I love for 3 years, I could have kept on doing that if Darkfall had sucked. Instead, I AM playing Darkfall because it is exactly what I wanted. It's not a damn clone and the devs aren't trying to be WoW.
I'm not pigeon-holing anyone. There have been myriad posts made in these forums, by DF fans/followers who THEMSELVES said they've been waiting for a game like DF since UO pre-Trammel.
A) I didn't make the original post. I was clarifying what the OP was trying to say.
If you take an objective look at MMOs from 1998 to 2001 and compare it to MMOs from 2003 to 2009, its almost enough to make one just give up. The level of innovation on four different games in those first 3 years, releasing radically different MMOs, all with their own souls, massive amounts of new ideas... then you go to 2004, the WoW era.... I think you could count the number of new ideas on one hand that's missing a few fingers. WoW is STILL missing some features that games before it had in 2001, and has never created a new idea by itself, not one.
Which is probably exactly why many people have been waiting for a MMO experience *like* pre-Trammel UO. Don't get all indignant and lash out at me for what followers of DF themselves have stated.
I don't understand where the argument is here. DF fans have said this themselves.. but the moment it's brought up in any way that might be taken as a -gasp- negative, people get all up in arms about it.
THAT is why I'm playing Darkfall. Finally a game that doesn't treat me like a brain dead 3 year old with magical GPS floating icons and arrows telling me exactly what to do, with no real risk or skill involved in playing.
Wonderful.. that's why *YOU* are playing DF. Again, perhaps the OP's statements don't apply to you. They apply to many others here - including developers of DF itself - and, as such, are still valid.
Get off the cross, and stop being so damn defensive, yeah? No one's crucifying you. Hell, until this post at least, no one was even addressing *you* specifically. The OP was merely making an observation and I was merely clarifying it.
As an aside... I wonder how long DF fans could go without bringing WoW into a post that in no way mentions it. Actually, based on other games' forums, I wonder how long any fan of a MMO other than WoW could go without using it as a defense of why they play their given game.
I wasn't necessarily preaching at you, and if you think no one is crusifying Darkfall supporters then you haven't been on these forums very long lol
I've been following these forums for a time and, with some exceptions, no one's crucifying anyone. People *do* however point out flaws in people's logic, or call them out for wearing rose-colored glasses, refusing to recognize or accept *any* criticism of the game... which many absolutely do.
As for people being crucified for their choice of a game... Shall I do some digging and refer you to some of the less-than-complimentary posts made by DF followers in other games' forums, bashing the games and those playing them, calling them "carebears" and "Themepark kiddies" and all manner of things?
Have you seen the flaming anyone who posts a negative opinion of DF - not even *bashing* it - gets in this forum? Even someone who's played the game and has criticisms of it is thrown to the wolves.
That door swings quite demonstrably both ways.
You'll have to forgive Signus... he gets a bit surly after doing his modding gig on Forumfall.
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
This post is best read with a bit of sarcasm.
all this hatred about darkfall the crap you never played nor touched, the crap you knew were crap before even seeing the first video. Because the developers are crap, the community is crap and in the end the game is crap, crap crap crap...
seriously though why keep flaming, let the retards hardcore/fanboys play their little fairy online. Besides it has always been darkfall vs the world, the community be little like neo nazis werest theyl defend their pety ideas and theologies to the end.. or till they themselves realise that what their doing is crap. But thats not for us to say when, how or why. If the game is as bad as other fanboys and bitter ol mmo fanatics who cant find a new good mmo then they will leave some time.
For me the entire DF concept brings me really bad memories from RF online with its constant grinding and from time to time PvP which usually was completely one sided.
[quote] [i]Originally posted by Korvenus[/i] I give this game 6 months before it goes Free To Play with Cash Shop. Then another couple of months before Mortal Online comes out and puts it out of its misery. [/quote]
What so you think cause this game got another name itl be better, this will be the same crap in another name.. thats what I think anyway, ofc I could be wrong but.. it smells DF intentions all over it.
You really need to stop smoking those scooters.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
This post is best read with a bit of sarcasm.
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Real life Martial Arts instructor, and around the world backpacker. Damn MMOs to keep me home so much!
MMOs i have played:
SWG
Shadowbane
DDO
EVE
CoH
Lineage 2
and then i have tryed all others with a trial.
I have Darkfall now!
Caution: Game May Cause Care Bears To Populate Forums
So you're saying those games are the choice of "picky" fanbois?
Or should I widen my sarcasm range, as a "bit" of sarcasm wouldn't cover this.
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
This post is best read with a bit of sarcasm.
daarco - Elite Member
Real Name: Jan-E
Member since December 19, 2006
Last Visit: March 31, 2009
30 year old Male from Gavle/Stockholm, Sweden
Email: hen782002@yahoo.se
Posted 3006 times in the Discussion Forums
Real life Martial Arts instructor, and around the world backpacker. Damn MMOs to keep me home so much!
MMOs i have played:
SWG
Shadowbane
DDO
EVE
CoH
Lineage 2
and then i have tryed all others with a trial.
I have Darkfall now!
Caution: Game May Cause Care Bears To Populate Forums
So you're saying those games are the choice of "picky" fanbois?
Or should I widen my sarcasm range, as a "bit" of sarcasm wouldn't cover this.
Yep, none of those games were any good. Atleast i try them before whining about them : )
My gf even tryed WoW for a couple of days. But i refuse to add that to the list.
So you add games to your list of games "played" when other people you know have played them and you have not.
SPECTACULAR.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
It is level based, they just haven't forced their minds to acknowledge it yet.
The "skills" only show improvement at predetermined points. Therefore, skilling up is in reality grinding from one improvement point to another. In other games, we call that leveling.
The "skill" system is just like Tasos. It tells you what you want to hear ( skills ) while actually giving you lesser ( levels ).
Spot on. What they disguise as a "skill system" is in fact levels 1-4. You get an increase every 25 skill points you grind. There is no difference from 1-24, then you hit 25 and ding. Same with 25-49, etc.
No skill based games you don't become stronger each time you get a skill but you just have more options. Level based games you become stronger with more HP etc etc. as ypou level up which means all the content before your level is useless and if you have friends playing then you can't play together until you get to their level. In a skill based game like SWG you could play with your friends from the start because you just unlocked more skills as you gained XP instead of levels.
So you add games to your list of games "played" when other people you know have played them and you have not.
SPECTACULAR.
Ok, i confess. I did try it. But its nothing i wanna talk about. I was young and needed the money. I never met him again.
Ohh, you mean the game. I tryed i some when we had it. Not any good.
I found this to be a paradox. We fanbois have thought everything else been crap for the last years, WoW, VG, LOTRO, WAR, AoC and we have had nothing good to play. And when we get Darkfall, you say that we would have taken anything! Wich we clarly did not do. So who is the one that just play anything new that is released? Not the DF fanbois atleast. We are wery picky about what we play. Maybe one game in 30 is playable, Top.
This post is best read with a bit of sarcasm.
daarco - Elite Member
Real Name: Jan-E
Member since December 19, 2006
Last Visit: March 31, 2009
30 year old Male from Gavle/Stockholm, Sweden
Email: hen782002@yahoo.se
Posted 3006 times in the Discussion Forums
Real life Martial Arts instructor, and around the world backpacker. Damn MMOs to keep me home so much!
MMOs i have played:
SWG
Shadowbane
DDO
EVE
CoH
Lineage 2
and then i have tryed all others with a trial.
I have Darkfall now!
Caution: Game May Cause Care Bears To Populate Forums
So you're saying those games are the choice of "picky" fanbois?
Or should I widen my sarcasm range, as a "bit" of sarcasm wouldn't cover this.
Yep, none of those games were any good. Atleast i try them before whining about them : )
My gf even tryed WoW for a couple of days. But i refuse to add that to the list.
Are you saying that you tried WoW also, but refuse to add it to your list? If so, why? "Peer Pressure"?
I guess I lost/missed something in the translation...
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