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Best pvp focused MMO on the market today? (poll)
JGMIII
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I have a buddy that loves pvp, so at work he gives me shit since I don't play AoC or L2 or even GW.
He says those games take skill and calls me a newb even though I play EvE and WAR lol.
I figured I would toss up a poll and ask you guys.
If I miss any i'm sorry it's early atm.
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It's completely subjective as one person's good pvp is another person's bad pvp.
For instance, from your list i would say Lineage 2 and Guild Wars. However they are both extremely different.
Lineage 2, regardless of some of the recent changes that were made to make things easier for players, still requires a time commitment and has a heavy pve component in order to level up. Not to mention the hard economy. There is more consequence if one loses.
However, it has an open world and relies more on player interaction and politics.
Guild Wars doesn't require a PvE component (though there is one) and one could do nothing but PvP all the time.
However, it is more arena pvp and matches and ladder ratings so it's more gladitorial without much of of consequence if one loses.
So choose your poison.
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I agree with the above poster. Its not easy to directly compare MMOs. I would say that DAOC still remains one of the best games Ive pllayed to date.
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Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
uh...planetside?
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The best PvP in an MMO ever was Infantry. Alas, it is necessary to say "was" as the game is a hollow shell of its former self, and its glory days are seven years past. If you want to restrict to games that could plausibly be called an MMORPG, Guild Wars is the only one I've seen that does PvP reasonably well.
Guild Wars. The system with having only 8 skills and the smaller teams really makes tactics and what build/team you're playing matter a lot. I've seen pretty much beginners "Build Wars" some of the top ranked players, and win. Even so I've also seen the opposite, beginners losing to top ranked players even though the beginners were running a "Build Wars" team. What determines the outcome is very much your own teams level of skill.
Funny how people think WAR is good pvp.
Funny how people can have, like, different opinions and stuff.
Funny how people can have, like, different opinions and stuff.
This made me LOL at work and blow Dr. Pepper out my nose.
It is epic in every sense of the word lol.
Seen WAR. Was unimpressed. Not a real threat to GW. But people vote what they know, I guess.
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I have not played many of the games on that list, because i tend to find a game I like and play it for a long period of time so I lack variety. With that said the same that I have played that was listed that I feel has the best pvp would have to be eve-online. I say this based on the scale of the pvp, and that pvp actually shapes the map. Can actually see the results of corps fighting over territory.
It has been a little over a year since I have played eve, but when I did the fighting came down to selecting a target orbiting and then just going through your usual steps to kill them. in my case it was mwd, nos, sensor damp, and launch drones. That was pretty much my fight every time, and if things got bad I might have to try to get away. Also the lag was bad in big fights to the point where I could warp in not see anyone at all, but yet watch as my shields got taken down. At least i can say it took 3 dreads, 2 carriers, and I think a cruiser or two to take out my drake.
I have one other good point about eve, and that is the variety of ways a ship can be fitted. It can actually be fun trying to decide what fittings to have on your ship for weapons, defense, and other tools. To many most games do not offer the same variety, everyone just seems to go for the same abilities that everyone else uses. Eve has this too but it is never just one way that is better, or used over all others.
For me, it was a toss up between UO, Shadowbane and EVE Online. Ended up going with EVE.
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Aye, I agree. And I will explain;
WAR might be a great RVR game, but the PVP in general is much more exciting and diverse in other games.
Dying once every minute in a typical RVR zone encounter makes death nothing more than a nuisance, so to me it doesn't have the excitement of the PVP I had in other games. Pay a penny to get rid of the debuff and off you go again.
It is also hugely class based. When I encountered another healer class with my shammy most of the time we both gave up after 10 minutes of trying to kill eachother, hehe. (Me occasionaly killing other people was pretty much based on one skill; Gork Sez Stop, which everyone learns to handle at one time). ((I didn't roll a shammy to be able to kill people though, I was a healbot)).
It is a good game for coop pvp though, people knowing their roles and working in a team works fine in WAR. But 1 vs 1? Nah ... you can't even duel with friends. (Atleast I couldn't when I quit a few months back).
Which is also the reason for the main source of frustration in WAR: there is a true need for teamplay but you can't control the other players in your team; if they screw up and don't do the right things, YOU will die. So most of the time, it is much like WOW's dreaded PUGs in instances; frustration galore. I have witnessed more arguments in WAR's battlegrounds and RVR lakes than in my years of Alterac Valley, and that says a lot.
Then the world pvp, the most important side to pvp for me, ... in other games like EVE or WOW (pvp servers), there are incentives to go into 'dangerous' areas, for quests or just get the better kind of materials for your proffessions. This adds a layer of excitement to even the most simple PVE aspects of a game.
In WAR, even on the pvp servers I've played on, there wasn't much of that going on at all; there are no incentives to go into enemy territory other than the lakes (except for some TOK unlocks and Lair bosses), in some zones your enemy's questing area's are fenced off by artificially placed bounderies which you can not cross without riding around the whole zone. The npc guards are of the 'one shot' kind which makes an attack on a warcamp impossible ... All in all, questing on a pvp server in WAR is a pretty safe thing. Oh, the questhubs are so many that when you managed to get killed by a stray enemy player, you are back in the action in no time.
To recap; the world pvp in WAR is totally limited to the RVR lakes; that is where all the incentives are and that is where everyone goes to fight, and to die. Time after time after time. Fully expected, in mutual consent and pretty much without a pennalty. And next to the artificially constructed gameworld to force players to do only the things which they are intended to do at a given place, there is way too much forgiving and handholding to make this a challenge for world pvp fans like me.
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edit: forgot about fighting over the same old objectives and keeps time and time again which gets hugely repetitive after a while which was, along with the other stuff I wrote, the reason for me quitting.
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I think it's hard to compare EVE to the rest of that list, since in EVE you play as a spaceship, and the rest of the games (I think) you play as a humanoid.
I know the topic is PvP, not what your character is, but it would seem hard to compare the two.
Maybe if you had a version of EVE with similar combat structure, where you played a person and not a ship would be a lot easier to compare.
EVE for mass pvp and politic wars, WoW for cybersport matches (3v3 particular)
C'mon use your imagination
Ship = your armor, mount and weapons all in one. Add a z-axis to the battlefield and there you go.
(I know it is more complex since you can fly in different classes of ships which make the encounters much more diverse but I see that as an advantage for EVE, tbh.)
PVP in EVE is diverse, challenging and pretty much skill / tactics based. Damn good pvp mmorpg, even though it is in space. (Maybe it was because it was my first mmorpg, but after EVE and a few times in WOW, I have never sat behind my keyboard, trembling my friggin' ass off during a pvp encounter).
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EvE all the way for meaningful PvP; I haven't played some of the others but the ones that I have dabbled with; the PvP was relatively meaningless and "throw-away", whereas EvE feels like the only game (to me) that was entirely built around PvP.
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C'mon use your imagination
Ship = your armor, mount and weapons all in one. Add a z-axis to the battlefield and there you go.
(I know it is more complex since you can fly in different classes of ships which make the encounters much more diverse but I see that as an advantage for EVE, tbh.)
PVP in EVE is diverse, challenging and pretty much skill / tactics based. Damn good pvp mmorpg, even though it is in space. (Maybe it was because it was my first mmorpg, but after EVE and a few times in WOW, I have never sat behind my keyboard, trembling my friggin' ass off during a pvp encounter).
Yes, I get it. My point was, I don't want to play a ship, so it's going to be hard to compare something I have absolutey no interest in, to games that actually interest me, no matter how good the PvP is.
Think of it this way. A game has what is a potentially awesome PvP system, but you play it as a turd. It's going to be hard to say it's great compared to a game that may or many not have as awesome of a PvP system, but you don't play as a turd.
You're saying, just forget you're a turd, and concentrate on teh PvP System! I can't. I"m still going to give the edge to the game where I don't play as a turd.
I"d prefer DAoC before any expansions, with updated graphics.
Their original RvR system is the best PvP design for MMORPGs so far, IMO.
You make a game like EVE where I walk around as a person, and never get in a spaceship, then maybe I'll change my mind.
In games where PvP doesn't extend beyond that moment of mashing buttons in direct conflict then I can kinda see your point. MMOs like WAR, WOW and other factional PVP games don't have logistics, politics, or even much for recon to do, so if you reduce the view of PVP to just that moment when two guys smack each other with swords, EVE is a bit out of place.
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C'mon use your imagination
Ship = your armor, mount and weapons all in one. Add a z-axis to the battlefield and there you go.
(I know it is more complex since you can fly in different classes of ships which make the encounters much more diverse but I see that as an advantage for EVE, tbh.)
PVP in EVE is diverse, challenging and pretty much skill / tactics based. Damn good pvp mmorpg, even though it is in space. (Maybe it was because it was my first mmorpg, but after EVE and a few times in WOW, I have never sat behind my keyboard, trembling my friggin' ass off during a pvp encounter).
Yes, I get it. My point was, I don't want to play a ship, so it's going to be hard to compare something I have absolutey no interest in, to games that actually interest me, no matter how good the PvP is.
Think of it this way. A game has what is a potentially awesome PvP system, but you play it as a turd. It's going to be hard to say it's great compared to a game that may or many not have as awesome of a PvP system, but you don't play as a turd.
You're saying, just forget you're a turd, and concentrate on teh PvP System! I can't. I"m still going to give the edge to the game where I don't play as a turd.
I"d prefer DAoC before any expansions, with updated graphics.
Their original RvR system is the best PvP design for MMORPGs so far, IMO.
You make a game like EVE where I walk around as a person, and never get in a spaceship, then maybe I'll change my mind.
Aye, if a game isn't your cup of tea it doesn't matter how well pvp is implemented, or pve or whatever aspect.
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Are you a pirate? or do you roleplay on message boards too.
Anywho i agree with the person saying "people vote on what they know"
Team Fortress 2 blows all delegates out of the water if PvP is what you crave. Might not be a RPG, but its got balanced team combat down pat.
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It's hard to say, the pvp games that are popular today, are in my opinion all crap, except for Eve, but I could never get into it really.
That being said, the best pvp game on the market today, I would have to say is Eve online, even if it doesn't really fit my tastes.
However overall I would have to say that DAoC was the best out of them all, with Planetside right along with it.
Yea ive played most of them and EVE is far superior to everything else. DAOC was very good though, tbh...
Too bad EVE have turned into "Capital Ships Online" now or i would still have been playing it.
Why arent Darkfall on the list btw? Not that i would have voted for it but im sure a few fanbois would.
Sadly it has been closed about a year ago, but the best PvP game I've seen in a while was "Unleash the FURY".
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