I'd vote against Valve just *because* of STEAM..it's a piece of garbage psuedo-virus combination of adware and spamware. If it wasn't for the whackos at Sega/CA making Steam required for Empire: Total War, I'd never have even looked at it...as is I cannot wait for the mods/hacks to disable Steam completely and never have to deal with them again.
Pointless thread. MMO's and FPS games are not in the same league nor do they necessarily appeal to the same crowd. FPS games are usually (but not always since I was in CS Clan and loved me some killing) full of young adult twitch gamers who drink way to much caffeine and eat way to many war-heads.
MMO's generally have a more patient player base who look for the story in the game and the ability to speak to other players without using the words 'Headshot' or 'PWN'd.' This is not to say that MMOs don't have their share of "power" players who only want to rush to be #1 on the server they play on.
IMHO I think that such a poll was useless and that in the FPS world Valve is probably far and above it's competitors -- which Turbine is not one of it's competitors.
Pointless thread. MMO's and FPS games are not in the same league nor do they necessarily appeal to the same crowd. FPS games are usually (but not always since I was in CS Clan and loved me some killing) full of young adult twitch gamers who drink way to much caffeine and eat way to many war-heads. MMO's generally have a more patient player base who look for the story in the game and the ability to speak to other players without using the words 'Headshot' or 'PWN'd.' This is not to say that MMOs don't have their share of "power" players who only want to rush to be #1 on the server they play on. IMHO I think that such a poll was useless and that in the FPS world Valve is probably far and above it's competitors -- which Turbine is not one of it's competitors.
But its favorite developers. Doesn't matter what they produce but whether or not you think that they do a good job producing what they produce.
One could love a certain fps game but think in general that the developers is horrid. Or mmo or rts, etc.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I know of my LotRO launcher, tehre is a topic about this comp and a link for me to click, which brings me to the voting website. Makes it relatively easy for TUrbine players to vote for them.
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Soo... Turbine beat Valve in a voting scenario on a website that 99% of gamers have never heard of?
Who cares and why would you be so butt hurt over the fact? It's called an opinion. Some like Turbine. Others like Valve. The merits of each company have little to do with how the voting went. It's a contest to see which company can drive more players to the "voting booth", and Turbine won.
I'd just like to close this post by reiterating: "Who cares?"
Who cares? Seriously, no condecension, but even if you knew the answer, what of it? OR, put another way, why do you care why valve lost a pintless "game" on the internet?
Turbine had one truly innovative, great product. AC1. After that, their games were all about pretty graphics. Turbine has two 'relatively speaking', successful titles: LoTRO and AC1. AC1 wasn't even a huge money success either, it helped them build their Turbine Engine, and thus acquire funding for D&DO and LoTRO.
If you look at all of Turbine's releases you'll see a history of failure:
AC - Borderline
AC: Dark Majesty - Success
AC2 - Massive Failure Failure
AC2: Legions - Massive Failure
AC: Throne of Destiny - Failure
D&DO - Massive Failure
LoTRO - Moderate Success*
LoTRO: Mines of Moria - Moderate Success*
The one that sticks out as the sore thumb is D&DO. From the get go, you knew D&DO was going to be a failure. Guild Wars, which launched before it, should have been an indication to Turbine and yet they ignored it. Trying to rip people off by charging $14.95 for the same model Guild Wars gave for free.
It's like if AIM or Yahoo tried to charge for their IMing service, while MSN Live remained free.
AC1 is my favorite MMO, and probably, game of all time. However, I know Turbine's track record, and I know the massive lies and deceit that this company truly participated in. Knowing their history, I know they are just as bad as SOE when it comes to lying and deceit.
Anyone who defends Turbine and says they are a respectable, and honest, game development company, have no clue. Hell, if you think about it, they still cannot make a game without heavy instancing, even of indoor buildings.
* - Success for LoTRO is relative. Look at what Warhammer and AoC did at launch, the numbers they sold, the announcements. All you got from Turbine was 'success', but no numbers or the infamous 'Second best MMO' with an update that came later as a footnote, stating 'Second best MMO developed in North America'. Turbine has yet to release sales numbers and all this 'success' has no proof to back it up, no added servers, etc. LoTRO's sub numbers have never grown since initial release, in fact, I bet they are 'slowly' decreasing.
Turbine had one truly innovative, great product. AC1. After that, their games were all about pretty graphics. Turbine has two 'relatively speaking', successful titles: LoTRO and AC1. AC1 wasn't even a huge money success either, it helped them build their Turbine Engine, and thus acquire funding for D&DO and LoTRO. If you look at all of Turbine's releases you'll see a history of failure: Asheron's Call: Borderline Asheron's Call: Dark Majesty -
are you dumb? dark majesty was a huge success and added a slew of new content to AC1 at the time....it made the game FAR more enjoyable then it already was....if ac1 had an engine update it would be a widely popular game again
the last expansion was a failure because turbine decided to concentrate more on DDO and LOTRO. AC1 was and always will be a classic and some of the funnest times for me ever in my career of mmo gaming...anyone remember the ac1 beta? haha
Turbine had one truly innovative, great product. AC1. After that, their games were all about pretty graphics. Turbine has two 'relatively speaking', successful titles: LoTRO and AC1. AC1 wasn't even a huge money success either, it helped them build their Turbine Engine, and thus acquire funding for D&DO and LoTRO. If you look at all of Turbine's releases you'll see a history of failure: Asheron's Call: Borderline Asheron's Call: Dark Majesty -
are you dumb? dark majesty was a huge success and added a slew of new content to AC1 at the time....it made the game FAR more enjoyable then it already was....if ac1 had an engine update it would be a widely popular game again
the last expansion was a failure because turbine decided to concentrate more on DDO and LOTRO. AC1 was and always will be a classic and some of the funnest times for me ever in my career of mmo gaming...anyone remember the ac1 beta? haha
MMORPG's terrible forum system cut me off and auto-posted somehow. =/ Sorry about that.
Turbine had one truly innovative, great product. AC1. After that, their games were all about pretty graphics. Turbine has two 'relatively speaking', successful titles: LoTRO and AC1. AC1 wasn't even a huge money success either, it helped them build their Turbine Engine, and thus acquire funding for D&DO and LoTRO. If you look at all of Turbine's releases you'll see a history of failure: AC - Borderline AC: Dark Majesty - Success AC2 - Massive Failure Failure AC2: Legions - Massive Failure AC: Throne of Destiny - Failure D&DO - Massive Failure LoTRO - Moderate Success* LoTRO: Mines of Moria - Moderate Success* The one that sticks out as the sore thumb is D&DO. From the get go, you knew D&DO was going to be a failure. Guild Wars, which launched before it, should have been an indication to Turbine and yet they ignored it. Trying to rip people off by charging $14.95 for the same model Guild Wars gave for free. It's like if AIM or Yahoo tried to charge for their IMing service, while MSN Live remained free. AC1 is my favorite MMO, and probably, game of all time. However, I know Turbine's track record, and I know the massive lies and deceit that this company truly participated in. Knowing their history, I know they are just as bad as SOE when it comes to lying and deceit. Anyone who defends Turbine and says they are a respectable, and honest, game development company, have no clue. Hell, if you think about it, they still cannot make a game without heavy instancing, even of indoor buildings. * - Success for LoTRO is relative. Look at what Warhammer and AoC did at launch, the numbers they sold, the announcements. All you got from Turbine was 'success', but no numbers or the infamous 'Second best MMO' with an update that came later as a footnote, stating 'Second best MMO developed in North America'. Turbine has yet to release sales numbers and all this 'success' has no proof to back it up, no added servers, etc. LoTRO's sub numbers have never grown since initial release, in fact, I bet they are 'slowly' decreasing.
AC1 was far more successfully then many people realize, since all the talk was about EQ at the time. AC had high sub numbers.
LoTRO, depending on which numbers you look at, has either the second or third highest sub numbers and continues to hold those numbers.
DDO was a different game so those who didn't like that style of only dungeons said it was a failure, when in fact it is doing just fine.
AC2 was the only failure they had.
People often seem to confuse "I don't like this game" with "failure".
Soo... Turbine beat Valve in a voting scenario on a website that 99% of gamers have never heard of?
Speak for your self there buddy. You have never heard of zero punctuation? Whose fault is that?
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First off, I can't even think of a product from Valve, if that does not give you a clue, then sorry you are beyond hope.
Secondly there are some really stupid assumptions in this thread. There are a lot of MMO companies that would love to have the success that DDO has had. So much for any ignorant poster trying to call it a failure. Sure maybe you don't like it, but it still has a nice following and fan base.
Not saying Turbine is a great company with great products, but the word decent would fit the bill on most of them though.
If you had clicked on the link and landed on their website you'd have seen that many companies were included in their voting process. Turbine vs valve was the finale.
And if you really beleived that a website would do such a big deal if htere were only two options to vote then idk what to say to you other then stop skipping school to play mmos.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Anyone who voted against Valve for Steam alone is ignorant. About half a year of a bumpy start to an online distribution giant, and they continue to bash it despite it's early short comings. Your opinion is void.
I'd hold Blizzard and Valve as the last two bastions of PC gaming.
Bethesda could have been there but with recent events (basically Oblivion and on) I've been forced to change my opinion of them. They're hardly making great games anymore - they're merely making decent games that get ridiculous reviews only because the console counterparts have never had a decent game of that style.
If you look at all of Turbine's releases you'll see a history of failure: AC - Borderline
D&DO - Massive Failure LoTRO - Moderate Success* LoTRO: Mines of Moria - Moderate Success* The one that sticks out as the sore thumb is D&DO. From the get go, you knew D&DO was going to be a failure. Guild Wars, which launched before it, should have been an indication to Turbine and yet they ignored it. Trying to rip people off by charging $14.95 for the same model Guild Wars gave for free.
I'm sorry but I don't think DDO is a failure. It might not have done well financially and might not have a huge population but that doesn't really make it a failure. Short of the setting (which I do not like) I think they got it right.
It is about small groups going dungeon running. I think they had the right idea.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
you do know that lord of the rings online has NOTHING to do with the movies...it was turbine's own interpretation from the books
whoever said it's based off the movies is a complete moron and should die of facial aids
Well, I guess the reason its not based on the books is because there would be 10000 Gandalfs, Boromirs, Legolas', Frodos, Sams, Merrys, Pippins etc. It does however make a decent attempt to keep the player involved in the major aspects of the books through specialized quests and the different regions of Middle Earth. I've played MMOs since there were MMOs and LOTRO doesn't suck.
Soo... Turbine beat Valve in a voting scenario on a website that 99% of gamers have never heard of?
Speak for your self there buddy. You have never heard of zero punctuation? Whose fault is that?
I dont see why there would be fault in that. In case you haven't looked around lately, the internet is pretty big and there are plenty of other more popular/commercial gaming sites like the one that held the contest.
Point behind the above comment is simple: You cant compare the audience of any given game and say that game should have won based off of that. Sure... Valve has a much larger base of players than Turbine does. I can agree with that. But that doesnt mean that any of those people 1) Know what The Escapist is 2) Browse internet gaming sites at all 3) Care about such trivial polls 4) Care about either company in the poll (thus they dont vote). Take those facts and your left with exactly what i described... both companies doing their own leg work in pushing people to this random site to vote in this poll. Grats to Turbine for having a few more lemmings than Valve.
First off, I can't even think of a product from Valve, if that does not give you a clue, then sorry you are beyond hope. Secondly there are some really stupid assumptions in this thread. There are a lot of MMO companies that would love to have the success that DDO has had. So much for any ignorant poster trying to call it a failure. Sure maybe you don't like it, but it still has a nice following and fan base. Not saying Turbine is a great company with great products, but the word decent would fit the bill on most of them though.
If you call yourself a PC gamer and don't know who Valve is then your are the clueless one who is beyond hope, lol. They've released multiple critically acclaimed titles, and Half Life should be familiar to anybody that considers themself a PC gamer. I don't care for FPS games that much and think that Half Life is one of the best games ever made. Its amazing story just made you want to keep playing.
Turbine has released some decent games, but nothing that has ever been an overwhelming success. They did get creative with Asheron's Call and AC 2, and the free monthly updates they started in AC was a nice change from SOE's policy of making players pay for everything. But since then Turbine has released a heavily "WoW influenced" LotRO that has only been a moderate success, and DDO that has been less of a success than LotRO.
If you had clicked on the link and landed on their website you'd have seen that many companies were included in their voting process. Turbine vs valve was the finale.
And if you really beleived that a website would do such a big deal if htere were only two options to vote then idk what to say to you other then stop skipping school to play mmos.
I don't think you understood my post at all. My point is how can you compare great dev teams without including Bioware, Blizzard and Rockstar. I would put those at the top three and they weren't even in there.
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I'd vote against Valve just *because* of STEAM..it's a piece of garbage psuedo-virus combination of adware and spamware. If it wasn't for the whackos at Sega/CA making Steam required for Empire: Total War, I'd never have even looked at it...as is I cannot wait for the mods/hacks to disable Steam completely and never have to deal with them again.
you do know that lord of the rings online has NOTHING to do with the movies...it was turbine's own interpretation from the books
whoever said it's based off the movies is a complete moron and should die of facial aids
Pointless thread. MMO's and FPS games are not in the same league nor do they necessarily appeal to the same crowd. FPS games are usually (but not always since I was in CS Clan and loved me some killing) full of young adult twitch gamers who drink way to much caffeine and eat way to many war-heads.
MMO's generally have a more patient player base who look for the story in the game and the ability to speak to other players without using the words 'Headshot' or 'PWN'd.' This is not to say that MMOs don't have their share of "power" players who only want to rush to be #1 on the server they play on.
IMHO I think that such a poll was useless and that in the FPS world Valve is probably far and above it's competitors -- which Turbine is not one of it's competitors.
This is my sig... nice huh? :P
But its favorite developers. Doesn't matter what they produce but whether or not you think that they do a good job producing what they produce.
One could love a certain fps game but think in general that the developers is horrid. Or mmo or rts, etc.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I know of my LotRO launcher, tehre is a topic about this comp and a link for me to click, which brings me to the voting website. Makes it relatively easy for TUrbine players to vote for them.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
Soo... Turbine beat Valve in a voting scenario on a website that 99% of gamers have never heard of?
Who cares and why would you be so butt hurt over the fact? It's called an opinion. Some like Turbine. Others like Valve. The merits of each company have little to do with how the voting went. It's a contest to see which company can drive more players to the "voting booth", and Turbine won.
I'd just like to close this post by reiterating: "Who cares?"
Who cares? Seriously, no condecension, but even if you knew the answer, what of it? OR, put another way, why do you care why valve lost a pintless "game" on the internet?
Turbine had one truly innovative, great product. AC1. After that, their games were all about pretty graphics. Turbine has two 'relatively speaking', successful titles: LoTRO and AC1. AC1 wasn't even a huge money success either, it helped them build their Turbine Engine, and thus acquire funding for D&DO and LoTRO.
If you look at all of Turbine's releases you'll see a history of failure:
AC - Borderline
AC: Dark Majesty - Success
AC2 - Massive Failure Failure
AC2: Legions - Massive Failure
AC: Throne of Destiny - Failure
D&DO - Massive Failure
LoTRO - Moderate Success*
LoTRO: Mines of Moria - Moderate Success*
The one that sticks out as the sore thumb is D&DO. From the get go, you knew D&DO was going to be a failure. Guild Wars, which launched before it, should have been an indication to Turbine and yet they ignored it. Trying to rip people off by charging $14.95 for the same model Guild Wars gave for free.
It's like if AIM or Yahoo tried to charge for their IMing service, while MSN Live remained free.
AC1 is my favorite MMO, and probably, game of all time. However, I know Turbine's track record, and I know the massive lies and deceit that this company truly participated in. Knowing their history, I know they are just as bad as SOE when it comes to lying and deceit.
Anyone who defends Turbine and says they are a respectable, and honest, game development company, have no clue. Hell, if you think about it, they still cannot make a game without heavy instancing, even of indoor buildings.
* - Success for LoTRO is relative. Look at what Warhammer and AoC did at launch, the numbers they sold, the announcements. All you got from Turbine was 'success', but no numbers or the infamous 'Second best MMO' with an update that came later as a footnote, stating 'Second best MMO developed in North America'. Turbine has yet to release sales numbers and all this 'success' has no proof to back it up, no added servers, etc. LoTRO's sub numbers have never grown since initial release, in fact, I bet they are 'slowly' decreasing.
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are you dumb? dark majesty was a huge success and added a slew of new content to AC1 at the time....it made the game FAR more enjoyable then it already was....if ac1 had an engine update it would be a widely popular game again
the last expansion was a failure because turbine decided to concentrate more on DDO and LOTRO. AC1 was and always will be a classic and some of the funnest times for me ever in my career of mmo gaming...anyone remember the ac1 beta? haha
are you dumb? dark majesty was a huge success and added a slew of new content to AC1 at the time....it made the game FAR more enjoyable then it already was....if ac1 had an engine update it would be a widely popular game again
the last expansion was a failure because turbine decided to concentrate more on DDO and LOTRO. AC1 was and always will be a classic and some of the funnest times for me ever in my career of mmo gaming...anyone remember the ac1 beta? haha
MMORPG's terrible forum system cut me off and auto-posted somehow. =/ Sorry about that.
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it's all good
Right so people play lotro because it is shitty.
Guess ima go back to wow then for it is so much better and it has a much better community.
Many people here are perfect examples of why birth control should be enforced on some families.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
AC1 was far more successfully then many people realize, since all the talk was about EQ at the time. AC had high sub numbers.
LoTRO, depending on which numbers you look at, has either the second or third highest sub numbers and continues to hold those numbers.
DDO was a different game so those who didn't like that style of only dungeons said it was a failure, when in fact it is doing just fine.
AC2 was the only failure they had.
People often seem to confuse "I don't like this game" with "failure".
Speak for your self there buddy. You have never heard of zero punctuation? Whose fault is that?
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First off, I can't even think of a product from Valve, if that does not give you a clue, then sorry you are beyond hope.
Secondly there are some really stupid assumptions in this thread. There are a lot of MMO companies that would love to have the success that DDO has had. So much for any ignorant poster trying to call it a failure. Sure maybe you don't like it, but it still has a nice following and fan base.
Not saying Turbine is a great company with great products, but the word decent would fit the bill on most of them though.
No Bioware, Blizzard or Rockstar. Total joke.
If you had clicked on the link and landed on their website you'd have seen that many companies were included in their voting process. Turbine vs valve was the finale.
And if you really beleived that a website would do such a big deal if htere were only two options to vote then idk what to say to you other then stop skipping school to play mmos.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
I guess I was one of only few that actually enjoyed AC2
Anyone who voted against Valve for Steam alone is ignorant. About half a year of a bumpy start to an online distribution giant, and they continue to bash it despite it's early short comings. Your opinion is void.
I'd hold Blizzard and Valve as the last two bastions of PC gaming.
Bethesda could have been there but with recent events (basically Oblivion and on) I've been forced to change my opinion of them. They're hardly making great games anymore - they're merely making decent games that get ridiculous reviews only because the console counterparts have never had a decent game of that style.
I'm sorry but I don't think DDO is a failure. It might not have done well financially and might not have a huge population but that doesn't really make it a failure. Short of the setting (which I do not like) I think they got it right.
It is about small groups going dungeon running. I think they had the right idea.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Well, I guess the reason its not based on the books is because there would be 10000 Gandalfs, Boromirs, Legolas', Frodos, Sams, Merrys, Pippins etc. It does however make a decent attempt to keep the player involved in the major aspects of the books through specialized quests and the different regions of Middle Earth. I've played MMOs since there were MMOs and LOTRO doesn't suck.
Speak for your self there buddy. You have never heard of zero punctuation? Whose fault is that?
I dont see why there would be fault in that. In case you haven't looked around lately, the internet is pretty big and there are plenty of other more popular/commercial gaming sites like the one that held the contest.
Point behind the above comment is simple: You cant compare the audience of any given game and say that game should have won based off of that. Sure... Valve has a much larger base of players than Turbine does. I can agree with that. But that doesnt mean that any of those people 1) Know what The Escapist is 2) Browse internet gaming sites at all 3) Care about such trivial polls 4) Care about either company in the poll (thus they dont vote). Take those facts and your left with exactly what i described... both companies doing their own leg work in pushing people to this random site to vote in this poll. Grats to Turbine for having a few more lemmings than Valve.
My point of "who cares" stands.
If you call yourself a PC gamer and don't know who Valve is then your are the clueless one who is beyond hope, lol. They've released multiple critically acclaimed titles, and Half Life should be familiar to anybody that considers themself a PC gamer. I don't care for FPS games that much and think that Half Life is one of the best games ever made. Its amazing story just made you want to keep playing.
Turbine has released some decent games, but nothing that has ever been an overwhelming success. They did get creative with Asheron's Call and AC 2, and the free monthly updates they started in AC was a nice change from SOE's policy of making players pay for everything. But since then Turbine has released a heavily "WoW influenced" LotRO that has only been a moderate success, and DDO that has been less of a success than LotRO.
If you had clicked on the link and landed on their website you'd have seen that many companies were included in their voting process. Turbine vs valve was the finale.
And if you really beleived that a website would do such a big deal if htere were only two options to vote then idk what to say to you other then stop skipping school to play mmos.
I don't think you understood my post at all. My point is how can you compare great dev teams without including Bioware, Blizzard and Rockstar. I would put those at the top three and they weren't even in there.
relic did actually beat activizion/blizzard.. wtf.. relic shouldnt beat blizzard alone not to mention with activision >_<