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Brad Wright declares SGW all but dead in secon interview!
Agricola1
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On April the third Brad Wright gave an interview to an independent fansite (gateworld.net), where when asked about SGW he stated,
“We don’t know,” Wright told GateWorld, regarding the future of Stargate Worlds. “It’s a shame. If it doesn’t happen — and, let’s be honest, it should be happening now if it was happening. It’s a shame. It’s a terrible shame.
“They had an opportunity and they got our support, and they obviously had significant funding, and it didn’t happen. It’s kind of a drag for the fans and the time that we invested — what little of it there really was, in comparison to what they did — was still a shame that it was wasted, because it should have happened.”
this is a link to the site that is down right now for some strange reason click.
Added that he stated in January this year that SGW was in trouble and it was "a shame", it seems obvious to myself that SGW is now dead. When the executive producer and writer of the Stargate franchise and consultant to CME concerning the game says this it's like George Lucas saying SWtOR is screwed!
CME or should I say Tkksnow the community manager is still in denial click, using hope and blind faith to keep the few rabid FanOri that are left on the official forums. I'm seeing posters there that I considered FanOri, now accepting that CME is now galloping down diarrhea drive without a saddle or gate address!
Surely this is the end of line for CME? Now my only hope is that SGW gets picked up by a company that doesn't run pyramid schemes!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
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www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/231061/More-ouch-for-your-pouch.html
Muhahaha! I actually beat you to this one. Can we say DEAD?! When Brad Wright drops a bomb like that, it's time to pack it in!
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
Sorry about that man, the site didn't work for me and I read the quote somewhere else, but yeah after Brad Wright makes those statements it's got to be time to throw the towel in. Atleast any hopes of CME launching this title.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Absolutely nothing to be sorry about, Agri. I was just "Mu-ha-ha-ha-ing" cause I actually beat you to it, and you were pretty much the one who educated me on this debacle=P
/sarcasm on
everything is fine, dude! I don't know what you're posting about! the game is still coming out.......in 6 years from another company lol.
/sarcasm off
Oh well, hopefully SOMETHING playable comes out in the next year or two.
I really hope that *insert game name here* will be the first game to ever live up to all of its pre-release promises, maintain a manageable hype level and have a clean release. Just don't expect me to hold my breath.
I gave up on this a long time ago, especially seeing Tabula Rasa hit the deck, I knew this game would be in trouble.
Don't worry thouhg, if they drop the ball on this, SOE will pick it up like it does every other failing title MMO that hits the market (see Vanguard and MXO).
SOE figures if they can get the 400k in subs they had for SWG before castrating the game and driving off like 350k in subs then it will be worth the effort.
"...It’s kind of a drag for the fans and the time that we invested — what little of it there really was, in comparison to what they did — was still a shame that it was wasted, because it should have happened.”
What I liked, and those on the other forum seemed to miss, was that apparently he did have access to stuff 'on the inside'...
Sorry SOE will not be picking this up. There's hardly anything to pick up. People who have experienced the game are wondering what CME spent their money on. Why would they be advertising on TV for a game in Alpha that had so little done on it? Even Brad says there should have been more. CME has completely failed as an MMO developer.
As little as 5 months ago people here were anticipating a January 09 release. I never lol'd so hard. At that time not even the gate worked properly. You'd think that would be the first thing they'd have working considering it's the cornerstone of the game and traveling within it. They had 1 class in what i'd consider an Alpha state with very few skills. The graphics were an embarrassment even for a game based on a low budget tv sci fi series.
Hopefully someone else will pick up the IP and produce a quality MMO. That's about the bet thing that can happen at this point.
CME wishes it was 10% as good as SOE LOL. SOE at least would have made a game that 200k would have enjoyed and it wouldn't have been a complete embarrassment. CME makes Adventurine look like ace developers!
Make a difference!
Access? Of course he had access. He is the Stargate IP. At least as we know it today. That's like saying "apparently George Lucas had access to SWG"..
Make a difference!
I was in the friends and family beta, it was messy. I lost interest, figured that I was just not ready to beta test something that raw. Maybe it just sucked
You can't just say you were in the beta. Technically your still bound by an NDA and the mods here will temporarily ban you. You have to use the code. "people who played the game have said" "I saw it at a friends house" "I sat down with the devs at such and such con and they showed me"..
Make a difference!
I was really hoping that this game wouldn't follow the vaporware trail. It had a chance to be a good game with very good lore. Oh well, another one bites the dust, I guess.
I think the key word that was in the article was Brad saying I don't know. Remember Brad is like you and me when it comes to knowing about SGW. Brad has nothing to do with SGW and the last recorded time that people at CME /Firesky met him was back in 2006 when they met him and Robert Copper to show them the preposal of the game. Brad giving his own opinion is not 100% fact just cause helped make Stargate for tv with Glassner doesn't mean he is involved with SGW.
Long live Stargate Worlds
I think the key word that was in the article was Brad saying I don't know. Remember Brad is like you and me when it comes to knowing about SGW. Brad has nothing to do with SGW and the last recorded time that people at CME /Firesky met him was back in 2006 when they met him and Robert Copper to show them the preposal of the game. Brad giving his own opinion is not 100% fact just cause helped make Stargate for tv with Glassner doesn't mean he is involved with SGW.
Long live Stargate Worlds
If you read it, that "We don't know" is more than likely refering to the game itself ever being made by anyone.
The "keywords" you seem to have missed are:
“They had an opportunity and they got our support, and they obviously had significant funding, and it didn’t happen.
Just because Wright didn't "publically record" his every step of involvement does not mean he wasn't there with access.
The SGW site addresses this article.. just go read it to find out what's up and quit speculating yourselves to death.
/skyisnotfalling
The SGW site has addressed nothing for six months, that's part of the problem. Releasing no news about the state of the game or what's happening with beta. The most they do is have tkksnow make statements denying any links with MMOGULs, which as we all know is a blatant lie. Denying that work has stopped on the game and that it's still being worked on despite having seen nothing for six months since alpha testing.
Now tkk and an alledged staff member who would be on Gary "MMOGULs" Whiting's payroll telling me that Brad Wright, the executive producer and co-writer for the entire Stargate series and CME's consultant on Stargate , is talking out of his arse? Please spare me the FanOri dogma of "they're working so hard they haven't had time to tell us any of the orgasmic news about SGW!" or the "What the hell does Brad Wright know? I mean it's not like he could just pick up a phone and find out whatever he wants to know about CME? Right?".
Unlike the official SGW site, most people with a mental aged above that of a retarded 10 year old haven't left here. Gary Whiting doesn't want to admit SGW is dead, as the day he does his pyramid scheme dies also. So he'll keep up the facade for as long as he can, that way he still makes money off the belief SGW will release and sell 1 million units in the first month.
I suggest buying a T-shirt from the SGW official shop as in 10 years time you may be able to sell it on ebay as a collectors item. They also have a wide range of mugs, most of which are still posting that Brad Wright has no clue on the official forums!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Unfortunately TKKSnow is just trying to protect the public image, feebly. The fact that Brad Wright has written off the game is one serious blow to the team. Brad Wright and Robert Cooper, while not heavily involved in day to day affairs were some of the biggest supporters of the game. Just look at their public comments last year at comic con.
They are howeer seriously dissapointed in the constant delays and the financial trouble that CME is in. Afterall they only agreed to let CME have SGW on the terms that CME had the funding to finish the game (it's in the contract). For Brad to make a public statement like this after constant support is a hard public thing for CME.
And yes, Brad Wright and Robert Cooper both had full access any time they wanted it. Information sharing, especially early on, was part of the key excitement about this game. They got demos, they got all the design documents, story and plans. They probably know more about the game and what the game was meant to be then most people even those who were in the unfortunately poorly planned and executed beta that was barely alpha and way behind schedule. (A beta mind you that many within the company said wasn't ready but certain members of management wouldn't listen, they had a plan to stick to no matter what. Politics unfortunately.).
From the developers:
"Our official response is that the lights here are still on and the development team is working hard every day to get this game built.
I’ve been asked from many corners lately to provide an official response to a story circulated by Gateworld.net. I spoke with Darren Sumner, the author of the story, soon after it was posted and gave him a detailed response to the article which he decided not to publish.
Our official response is that the lights here are still on and the development team is working hard every day to get this game built. Team members are in the office seven days a week to deliver Stargate Worlds. Brad Wright is the Stargate expert and a creative consultant on Stargate Worlds who advises us on the story; unfortunately we had not recently updated him on our progress or the impact from the current global economic crisis, and he was not fully aware of the continuing progress on our game.
It’s true that the production of Stargate Worlds has been significantly impacted by the greatest worldwide economic downturn in decades, but we are still raising enough money from angel investors to keep the dev team working.
We are currently negotiating several deals that will cover our financial responsibilities and fund the remainder of development. When we sign those deals, you’ll hear about it. Until then, we’ll keep building Stargate Worlds, because right now, that’s the only thing that matters to us."
Amazing how many crap developers today blame the "global crisis" for their ineptitude and inability to deliver, while other devs from even smaller independent companies like Icarus ( Fallen Earth ), the Earthrise devs, Mortal Online devs, etc., etc. are chugging along just fine.
Looks more like mismanagement of funds given, than the "global crisis". And from watching the "beta", ( which was more like an alpha ) being played, I'd say it was an extreme mismanagement of funds.
Amazing how businesses are shutting down left and right due to the current state of the economy yet you think it inconcievable that it could affect a startup company that depends on other people investing in it. And if you don't think the current state of the economy has affected those other companies you are mistaken. They may not be showing the impact publicly, but they have been affected.
The funny thing about this article is that it says "the lights are still on" and "the dev team is working seven days a week" then he goes on to say the downturn in the economy is the problem. Something doesn't smell right with this. On the one hand you guys are working seven days a week but the economy is the reason the game isn't out.He didn't even say well x amount of investors pulled out so funding fell through the owner even elluded to the fact that you had enough funding which I take to mean have already spent alot of money but everyone says the game is in alpha?
I tend to be skeptical of companies that I don't know and the little I saw of this game looked uninteresting anyway so it has no affect on me but this pile of dog crap is pretty easy not to step in.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Amazing how businesses are shutting down left and right due to the current state of the economy yet you think it inconcievable that it could affect a startup company that depends on other people investing in it. And if you don't think the current state of the economy has affected those other companies you are mistaken. They may not be showing the impact publicly, but they have been affected.
Like I said, "beta" showed the truth. They blew the money they were given and are now stuck hoping another sucker investor will give them more. The economy has impacted many businesses. Sadly, I do not believe this is the case in this situation.
Lol, that's funny......
"Everyone is fine here.... nothing to see..... move along.
These are not the droids your looking for"
Kinda like the German army at the end of WWII. They had all these divisions listed on little pins in High Command on thier strategic map and they'd spend all thier time moving the pins around in response to enemy moves....pretending that everything would be just fine because look at all the pins they had on the map.
So you have an exchange like
"Sir, the Soviets are moving 20,000 men against Poznan."
"No problem, move the 10th Panzer Division to Poznan to stop them." <confident smile>
Except when some poor staff officer radio's the commander of the 10 Panzer Division to give them the orders, the response would typicaly be something like....
"My division consists of myself, 3 privates and a half dead horse. What do you want us to do, throw snowballs at them?"
Kinda reminds me of the latest "Press Release".
I think the "official company line" is actually, in a slight way, good news... Not that I think it answers any of the growing concerns about what condition the game is in... but it does, at least, mean that some one with access to the official website still works there, or at the very least, still cares enough to reply, albeit four days later.
The "angel investors" comment definatly does not inspire confidence, but the statement as a whole is pretty direct in the messege that things are moving forward.
I have the sinking feeling that the speculation-based grave-digging will continue, though... especially with the last statement about "deals that will cover our financial responsibilities..." I'm sure it won't be long before Agricola's googling fingers discover some new contract deal with the devil.
SGW has a long way to go before it's either released, or becomes another Duke Nukem: Forever.
I just don't think we should send in our RSVP to the funeral... yet...
I know what your saying, "give them the benefit of the doubt for now". The question is how long are you prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt?
Even if you take the Whiting soundbite given out by the PR manager as gosspel it still leads to burning questions and actually supports what Brad Wright said rather than dispell it. He clearly states that CME/Firesky doesn't have the funds to finish SGW, he also states that they're trying to sign up investors to pay for it. So Whiting has spernt the initial $40 mil and still doesn't have a game that is in a state to be rushed out now. This CME admits, 5 years and $40mil later we don't have a half decent MMORPG or enough money. I highly doubt that a few more investors will make a difference, do you?
Also incase someone forgot we're in the grip of a world wide economic crisis that will be declared a depression this year. Good luck finding investors to pay off your debts, also I've been informed that Whiting has cracked down on the staff left. He is enforcing an information blackout with the present investors also, no staff member is allowed to speak to any investor on their day to day work at CME/Firesky now. Since most of the staff have been laid off it shouldn't be too hard to enforce.
Also with all things considered do you believe a CEO that has to set up a pyramid scheme to pay off his debts and employees is going to get SGW to launch in anyother state than a steaming turd, if it gets to launch? Those "angel investors" are probably MMOGULs saps that got sucked in by team Whiting, and they have no doubt been blocked from entering CME offices now and CME staff may not speak to them now.
SGW/CME is in a worse state than G&H/Perpetual was when they packed it in. I've sent my RSVP to the funeral and am merely waiting by the graveside for the family to lower SGW/CME in. When will you send yours?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Don't get me wrong, I'm definatly not saying "all is well" with SGW. The seemingly endless battering it has taken from [NDA-breaking] beta reviews, the MLM scam accusations, court proceedings, disgruntled employeess... I don't recall this much "dirty laundry" for any of the other MMOs that have survived to launch...
I take all the news, no matter from which side, with more than a grain of salt. We live in an over-active litigation-nation, so I can't pass ultimate judgement based on the fact that a company is getting sued. I'm in a rather tiny business and it has been sued for unpaid wages. It was a company we hired to creat a product, and it didn't even start the process. The suit was dropped after a quick phone call, but for any one on the outside looking in, it must've looked the same as the recent one against CME... not that I'm making the implication that CME was/is in the right, but that there's always some thing(s) we will never know from being on the outside of an issue.
For all we know, the "angel investor" may be some relative of Louis Mayer (the 2nd "M" in MGM) who loves SG and MMOs, and has enough trust fund money to finance the whole shibang. We just don't know.
Not as an indictment, Agri, but do you mind sharing where you have "been informed" from regarding Whiting allegedly cracking down on employees and imposing an investor information blackout? Please don't take it as "pics, or it didn't happen," but it is quite a detailed accusation. And to take it further, and a bit into the realm of speculation, wouldn't the aforementioned blackout explain Wright's comments and his admitted lack of knowledge regarding the current state of SGW?
And finally, regarding Whiting and his MLM tactics... While I'm not expecting a high-quality product from CME, I'm not going to be suprised if they get SGW out to market. Case-in-point: Amway. The grandddaddy of all pyramid/MLM schemes. Despite being run out of towns, states, sued by the feds, etc. Amway is still around, still kicking and still making money for the top seats. It's the corporate version of religion. Never under-estimate fanaticism. There was a time when being Christian meant that your were lion food... but now, who's left standing? It wasn't the ceasars of Rome.
I haven't RSVPed to the funeral yet, but I do have my funeral attire back from the cleaners and ready to go... and my off-world wear is still packed away in storage.
I would like to tell you, however I'd have to kill you moments later!
Seriously I've been informed as in I've recieved information, nothing that I can prove as fact so there is no link. It may be true or not but from other unlinkable reports I've recieved it all seems to point to the same conclusion. A total blackout of information towards investors and therefore media. Brad Wright is one of the few outsiders that could get the answers he wants then be free to make a public statement concerning it.
Which is what he has done, saying in short " CME blew it ", if Gary Whiting wants he could always sue Wright for slander. He's probably on first name terms with all the judges by now!
Until I can back something up it's information with names with held to protect the innocent and my kneecaps!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis