to say that the game is male dominated because it is to complicated for girls is simply deluding yourself with the guys are more logical=smart bullshit. Girls can cope with complicated very well indeed.
Girls are usually more socially adept, guys are usually goal oriented. EVE needs a lot of goal oriented focus.
My wife started playing fairly recently, i tend to solo carebear (production/industry) she is really getting into fleet PVP.
One of the soppiest and girly scifi books that i have ever read was "The Ship Who Sang" (1961) a short story by science fiction author Anne McCaffrey. which really does focus on the transhumanism of a pod like existence.
from Wiki
"The Brain & Brawn Ship series takes place in the distant future, when parents of children who are born with severe physical handicaps but highly developed minds are given the option of allowing them to become "shell people"; encapsulated as children in a titanium life-support shell and specially trained for tasks that a "normal" human would be unable to do."
The mentality to play or not play EVE is not inhernet based on gender. I know quite a few real women that play the game. I would even dare say the percentage of femailes in EVE is much higher than the 5% someoneelse posted and put it closer to 25%.
My experience with true females gamers in EVE has left me with a ton of respect for them. They have a difference play style than men in every aspect. This means a female fleet commander will typically cause a male fleet commander a lot of grief the first few times they fight. Additionally the females I know tend to be better at organization. With this in mind most of them rise to Director or CEO positions in various corporations and alliances.
The real shame is that EVE with it's techer scifi feel seems to put off most women. When ambulation comes to pass this might change but for now a lot of women do not give EVE a chance because it does not look fun to them.
As with all MMOs however EVE suffers from the teenage boy chat crap. This means a lot of women get offended or feel they are in a hostile evironment. With this in mind I can state that a lot of corporations in EVE, including the one I am in, demand a level of decorum on their chat channels to allow women to feel comfortable.
edit: by the by, unless it's changed recently - the smartest person in the world is a woman.
Not true. Nobody knows who the smartest person in the world is, and there is no test that objectively measures intelligence (IQ test results only correlate to specific domains associated with intelligence, and even then women tend to lean more toward the average, whereas men go to the extremes more often - eg, three times as many men with an IQ over 130 than women, but also three times as many men with an IQ lower than 70 compared to women, just an example). And even considering IQ, the woman you were talking about does not have the highest measured IQ.
I beg to question, and what percentage of men/women are involved with making the IQ test to begin with? More importantly is it objective or seeded with subjective cultural contamination?
To the OP yes some women find the game perplaexing while others find itboring and others find it enjoyable. It's all about preferences and not if the game is complicated, your friend in EVE just couldn't understand why she couldn't undertsand the simplicity of the concept of buying things off the market so that is why he said what he said.
well considering my corp was founded by a woman, and about 1/4 to 1/3 of my corp of 40 people are woman....and i know at least a dozen more in my addressbook.....i would have to answer no...
...I'm sorry, but I do not understand your point. I am simply trying to find out if my friend's opinion is correct based on the opinion of the women of this site.
Considering that At least 4 of my alliance mates are Female, And Several of the EVE-TV crew are female and play EVE that would be a fairly good indication that he is wrong.
edit: by the by, unless it's changed recently - the smartest person in the world is a woman.
Not true. Nobody knows who the smartest person in the world is, and there is no test that objectively measures intelligence (IQ test results only correlate to specific domains associated with intelligence, and even then women tend to lean more toward the average, whereas men go to the extremes more often - eg, three times as many men with an IQ over 130 than women, but also three times as many men with an IQ lower than 70 compared to women, just an example). And even considering IQ, the woman you were talking about does not have the highest measured IQ.
I beg to question, and what percentage of men/women are involved with making the IQ test to begin with? More importantly is it objective or seeded with subjective cultural contamination?
All valid criticism and proves my point exactly. No unbiased test is really unbiased. However, the correlation with, say, academic achievements and IQ is pretty much the same for females and males, so there is no significant sex bias in the modern tests.
I got several female players in my alliance. My only pov is of course the one of a 0.0 only player, but the 5% mark mentioned in official documents from ccp seem accurate.
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to say that the game is male dominated because it is to complicated for girls is simply deluding yourself with the guys are more logical=smart bullshit. Girls can cope with complicated very well indeed.
Girls are usually more socially adept, guys are usually goal oriented. EVE needs a lot of goal oriented focus.
My wife started playing fairly recently, i tend to solo carebear (production/industry) she is really getting into fleet PVP.
One of the soppiest and girly scifi books that i have ever read was "The Ship Who Sang" (1961) a short story by science fiction author Anne McCaffrey. which really does focus on the transhumanism of a pod like existence.
from Wiki
"The Brain & Brawn Ship series takes place in the distant future, when parents of children who are born with severe physical handicaps but highly developed minds are given the option of allowing them to become "shell people"; encapsulated as children in a titanium life-support shell and specially trained for tasks that a "normal" human would be unable to do."
You need a "I only want to see the poll results" option.
I'm sure there are a lot of female players playing EvE, is a matter of taste, not a matter of sex.
'Is EvE a "For Males Only" Game?'
Christ, I hope not. Walking in Stations must mean cyber-snogging amongst over things an actual real girl eventually.
The mentality to play or not play EVE is not inhernet based on gender. I know quite a few real women that play the game. I would even dare say the percentage of femailes in EVE is much higher than the 5% someoneelse posted and put it closer to 25%.
My experience with true females gamers in EVE has left me with a ton of respect for them. They have a difference play style than men in every aspect. This means a female fleet commander will typically cause a male fleet commander a lot of grief the first few times they fight. Additionally the females I know tend to be better at organization. With this in mind most of them rise to Director or CEO positions in various corporations and alliances.
The real shame is that EVE with it's techer scifi feel seems to put off most women. When ambulation comes to pass this might change but for now a lot of women do not give EVE a chance because it does not look fun to them.
As with all MMOs however EVE suffers from the teenage boy chat crap. This means a lot of women get offended or feel they are in a hostile evironment. With this in mind I can state that a lot of corporations in EVE, including the one I am in, demand a level of decorum on their chat channels to allow women to feel comfortable.
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I have a soap box and I am not afraid to use it.
Not true. Nobody knows who the smartest person in the world is, and there is no test that objectively measures intelligence (IQ test results only correlate to specific domains associated with intelligence, and even then women tend to lean more toward the average, whereas men go to the extremes more often - eg, three times as many men with an IQ over 130 than women, but also three times as many men with an IQ lower than 70 compared to women, just an example). And even considering IQ, the woman you were talking about does not have the highest measured IQ.
I beg to question, and what percentage of men/women are involved with making the IQ test to begin with? More importantly is it objective or seeded with subjective cultural contamination?
To the OP yes some women find the game perplaexing while others find itboring and others find it enjoyable. It's all about preferences and not if the game is complicated, your friend in EVE just couldn't understand why she couldn't undertsand the simplicity of the concept of buying things off the market so that is why he said what he said.
well considering my corp was founded by a woman, and about 1/4 to 1/3 of my corp of 40 people are woman....and i know at least a dozen more in my addressbook.....i would have to answer no...
Considering that At least 4 of my alliance mates are Female, And Several of the EVE-TV crew are female and play EVE that would be a fairly good indication that he is wrong.
Not true. Nobody knows who the smartest person in the world is, and there is no test that objectively measures intelligence (IQ test results only correlate to specific domains associated with intelligence, and even then women tend to lean more toward the average, whereas men go to the extremes more often - eg, three times as many men with an IQ over 130 than women, but also three times as many men with an IQ lower than 70 compared to women, just an example). And even considering IQ, the woman you were talking about does not have the highest measured IQ.
I beg to question, and what percentage of men/women are involved with making the IQ test to begin with? More importantly is it objective or seeded with subjective cultural contamination?
All valid criticism and proves my point exactly. No unbiased test is really unbiased. However, the correlation with, say, academic achievements and IQ is pretty much the same for females and males, so there is no significant sex bias in the modern tests.
Laura played Eve FYI..
I got several female players in my alliance. My only pov is of course the one of a 0.0 only player, but the 5% mark mentioned in official documents from ccp seem accurate.