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Darkfall = Hacker's Paradise...
Just another example of the BS going on...
Video #1
Video #2
Video #3
(WATCH IN HD)
Hmm....
Edit... Seems they are not even banning the hackers...
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Update... Tasos said this:
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Which brings us to cheating: We hear complaints from some players and some clans that continue seeing cheating everywhere when in fact this isn’t the case. We should know since we log everything.
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Here is the entire quote:
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Which brings us to cheating: We hear complaints from some players and some clans that continue seeing cheating everywhere when in fact this isn’t the case. We should know since we log everything. The exploiters we ban always deny they were using 3d party programs; they complain and ask for proof. There are also people who continue using 3d party programs to exploit, thinking that if they’re careful and not observed by GMs that they’ll go undetected. What all these people have in common is that they don’t understand that we log everything. Characters are flagged server-side and investigated in-game. Reports of cheating players are verified server-side. We have a combination of automatic and manual investigation. We use them both to be thorough, but we don’t rely on one or the other. We know someone’s cheating beyond a shadow of a doubt, and if you’ve even done so once, you’re not safe. There’s no such thing as “clever use” when you own all the server logs. We’ll eventually get to you and ban you. If you’re currently using 3d party programs to exploit with, we suggest you uninstall these programs immediately and hope for the best.
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Link to post - forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Update:
Here is an image of a entire guild exploiting the guard towers... 4 GMs were called out to the spot, yet no one got in trouble:
Here is an image of the chat log during this exploiting:
Here is a link showing PROOF that multiple guilds were exploiting the guard tower:
forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
What can you say when all these people are exploiting yet the GMs do nothing about it...
Comments
Darkfall is a perfect game. It released right on time. there are no hacks there, the person in that video is just an illusion put together by trolls who want to tarnish Tasos' good name. You are just a troll for pointing out an imperfection in the most perfect game of all time.
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Darkfall is a perfect game. It released right on time. there are no hacks there, the person in that video is just an illusion put together by trolls who want to tarnish Tasos' good name. You are just a troll for pointing out an imperfection in the most perfect game of all time.
Wow I sincerely hope my sarcasm radar is working as intended...
you know whats the sad shit.
yes i said shit
look how the forum moderators of fourmfall have left that thread the op linked open and on page 3 someone posts a vid that promotes a hacking site and HAVE NOT MODDED OR LOCKED THE THREAD.
but when someone gives legitimate complaints about the games THEY ARE LOCKED AND DELETED.
wow Tasos actualy embraces the hackers and allows them to play hacking seems legit in darkfalls cuz the mods dont see that linking a vid that promotes a hack site as somthing bad.
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reminds of those speedhacking and teleport vids from WoW. My favorite one was when this alliance girl char was using a speedhack to grab the flags in plain view. mind you this was WoW way after BGs
Oh well im used to cheaters. CCP been helping BoB blantantly for yrs and they finally got theirs
edit- that video was awful though they gotta ban these hacks
Yeah I remember those speedhacks in WoW. And Everquest, I remember those too. But oh well, speedhacks exist in everygame. Can't catch them up.
Darkfall is a perfect game. It released right on time. there are no hacks there, the person in that video is just an illusion put together by trolls who want to tarnish Tasos' good name. You are just a troll for pointing out an imperfection in the most perfect game of all time.
Wow I sincerely hope my sarcasm radar is working as intended...
same... hope he is not serious...
Not so. They are pretty easy to spot server side (if you bother to look that is). Intresting that in the DF polotics blog several of the leaders to the big allinaces identified cheating as one of the games biggest issues. Obviously is a big deal in a competative game.
new hacks popup all the time I'm looking at a bunch for WoW on youtube vids. there is no perfect method for detecting if packets being routed from client to server is being modified. Also no way to verify memory corruption. If software engineers could easily validate memory modification, then you would not have buffer overruns
Server side you should at least check for the velocity the player is moving at. I dont know why MMOs don't do this. Simply test the magnitude of the velocity. If it exceeds the threshold you got a speed hacker
If they are moving at the threshold or less then they are at least within acceptable range
MagnitudeSquared is a quick test and cheap CPU cost. Will bypass the performance loss for a square root calculation
Because people that were lagging would be considered hackers? Im not being mean here, but it doesn't seem like you have a clue about what goes on in a server. Modified packets are picked up as being malicious, and most good servers make a log of it. Now, I understand that not all the logs are going to be looked at for every single transfer with the server, but it is possible and its usually how they detect people if they are under suspicion.
Just an fyi also, most good servers also blocked modified packets 9/10 you get disconnected trying to inject code and or it crashes the game.
It's easy to modify packets if you fiddle with the bytes. Same way you modify binary data in a saved game. Monitor the sockets opened on client, modify the bytes, done
This why you never trust data from the client
And it would be bloody expensive to of course validate byte-by-byte the packet data that's a cache miss right there. Especially if its UDP which is what any FPS type game will use. The packets are already incoming out of order.
Darkfall is a perfect game. It released right on time. there are no hacks there, the person in that video is just an illusion put together by trolls who want to tarnish Tasos' good name. You are just a troll for pointing out an imperfection in the most perfect game of all time.
Wow I sincerely hope my sarcasm radar is working as intended...
Darkfall = Perfection, anyone who says different is just a troll who hasn't played the game. Darkfall is life, life is Darkfall. Tasos is my idol. He has never lied or misspoke. Darkfall's AI is super advanced, and the game is teeming with life, because it's the greatest thing ever (even greater than sex, I'm sure. I've been so obsessed with Darkfall that i've never had any), so, anyone who says anything different is just a troll who's never played Darkfall.
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Darkfall is a perfect game. It released right on time. there are no hacks there, the person in that video is just an illusion put together by trolls who want to tarnish Tasos' good name. You are just a troll for pointing out an imperfection in the most perfect game of all time.
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Darkfall = Perfection, anyone who says different is just a troll who hasn't played the game. Darkfall is life, life is Darkfall. Tasos is my idol. He has never lied or misspoke. Darkfall's AI is super advanced, and the game is teeming with life, because it's the greatest thing ever (even greater than sex, I'm sure. I've been so obsessed with Darkfall that i've never had any), so, anyone who says anything different is just a troll who's never played Darkfall.
/disagree
Being a ex-darkfail person, thank god that torture is over... sounds like your in a cult sir
Darkfall is a perfect game. It released right on time. there are no hacks there, the person in that video is just an illusion put together by trolls who want to tarnish Tasos' good name. You are just a troll for pointing out an imperfection in the most perfect game of all time.
Wow I sincerely hope my sarcasm radar is working as intended...
Darkfall = Perfection, anyone who says different is just a troll who hasn't played the game. Darkfall is life, life is Darkfall. Tasos is my idol. He has never lied or misspoke. Darkfall's AI is super advanced, and the game is teeming with life, because it's the greatest thing ever (even greater than sex, I'm sure. I've been so obsessed with Darkfall that i've never had any), so, anyone who says anything different is just a troll who's never played Darkfall.
/disagree
Being a ex-darkfail person, thank god that torture is over... sounds like your in a cult sir
Clearly you've never played Darkfall, or you'd never leave your basement of your mom's house again. Not even to get the pizza.
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It is hard for me to understand how such human trash exists in this world from reading on the Darkfall Online official forums.
It is hard for me to understand how such human trash exists in this world from reading on the Darkfall Online official forums.
/agree
They allow anything and everything except porn... they allow cussing, nsfw sigs, etc... that site/game is pure trash...
Why not go the whole hog and simply have movement as velocity and a vector rather that streaming cartesian co-ordinates back and forth. Wow is actually kind of hard to hack, they have a large team working on it and one day there will be 20,000 bans and stuff will stop working. There will always be hacks you just have to make it unfeasible in time an effort to develop them. For example if it takes a year to develop a hack and the countermeasure takes a week to deploy that hack is all but useless. The thing is DF is easy to hack and there are absolutely no countermeasures or even basic sanity checks.
Now I almost wish I was playing this crappy game, I would hack the hell out of it, and that can be fun. And I'm not even very good at hacking games, but this one is supposed to be one of the easiest hack jobs of all time. If there's nothing else going on in a game, just cheating and going and wasting people can be a lot of fun. Then the game becomes a hack wars kind of thing, and it is more interesting, like a real sand box, because the players are really in control of what is happening by developing different hacks and cheats and exploits to use against each other that the devs had not intended to be included in the game. In fact, games that degenerate to this level often have the highest degree of player freedom.
The funny thing is that a decade ago when Darkfall was first supposedly being developed they said that being hack-free and having next generation security in the game was one of their main goals. For years this was one of the main things the devs of Darkfall would harp on about, because obviously cheating/hacking has been a major stumbling block for most pvp games to date, including FPS games, and for pretty much all MMOs.
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Being an IT guy I can appreciate all the fancy packet and server talk... but its all pointless.
If you put so much of the client and calculations on the client side you are doomed from the gate.
period.
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That is basically what it came down to. The devs decided that they wanted 10k concurrent players per server, so they sacrificed everything possible to achieve that goal. They put every calculation possible client-side (not caring if their would be hacks), and they removed as much possible AI (mobs) from the game in order to 'fit' more players.
EVE had some amazing tech that allows so many players on a single server. Darkfall 'beat' WOW, AOC and Warhammer not by using good tech, but just by pushing everything client-side and removing as much other stuff from their server as possible. I'm sure other games could hit 10k players too if they removed all the mobs from the gameworld and allowed players to hack this easily.
Lyrics to the brand new darkfall song: Hackers Paradise, sung to the beat of Coolio's Gansta's Paradise
So tell me why are we
so blind to see
that this game design
sucks so badly!
Been spending most my time playing in a hackers paradise.
Been wasting all this time playing in a hackers paradise.
LOL sorry, saw the thread name and just had too.
lol very nice.
Back on topic, if all this is true, which i am assuming it is, it makes you wonder exactly what they were working on when they spent nearly a decade developing this game. Feel sorry for the people playing it.
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Ya, it was already stated by many people that DF is prone to hacking and will be for a long time.
Who seriously thinks AV will fix that soon?
BTW. Prow whats that with ya Avatar? You consider that funny or someway cool ?
You sure know some people have to live like that and got no money to do anything about it?
*edit for spelling
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Yes they may be in every game, but the games you listed are more PvE oriented. In PvP focused game a speed hack is BY FAR more of an impact. Especially when you run the risk of loosing your gear to a cheeter.
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Yes they may be in every game, but the games you listed are more PvE oriented. In PvP focused game a speed hack is BY FAR more of an impact. Especially when you run the risk of loosing your gear to a cheeter.
That makes me wonder about something. Ok say you are out getting your PvP on. When you get killed by a speedhacker. Luckily for you, you had fraps running at the time. You turn the video over to AV (assuming they do their job), they ban the guy. Do they give you your stuff back? Since technically it wasn't a fight you would have been able to win anyway with the person speedhacking.
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