I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea. How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all. Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far. For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces. More MMOs need to do this.
Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.
Going to have to double post here. My bad.
I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.
You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.
if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".
If its hard to read, its harder to report if they do deciede to do something wrong (macro, hack, etc.). Not enforceing this (Atleast by having a better name filter) is allowing THEM to get away with thinks other players would not, because the guy that caught them couldn't tell what their name was. So in a sense, it's a cheat. But, to each his own I guess, thats just the way I think about it.
You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.
if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".
I did not really mean to say people who defend these names are hackers or whatever, it was more of an hyperbole.
No names you mentionned would deserve a ban anyway. I use similar names. As for wether or not ilililililili is a good name......can we just all agree that we'd never befriend someone like that? I mean, we can't even whisper him because we don't know if it's lllllllllllllllllllll with lower care "L" or IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with a cap "i". Why would you call yourself this way in the first place?
Yes Aventurine is banning those but I've played MMOs for so many years starting from UO passing by WoW and EQ , most of the F2Ps and now DarkFall and I've seen all those "lllllllllllll" roaming around with bots so it's sort of hard for me to say "hey who knows, maybe it's a real person behind the computer even though he's been killing the same monster over and over again for 20 hours with no break and keeps coming back to the same position". Beside, I think Aventurine is intelligent enough to make the difference between "lllllllllllllllllll" or "hfoeaylaeyl" and "Grondar". 2 out of 3 will obviously get banned while the last one (yours) is completly legit and will never receive a ban unless you do something illegal.
As for names "potentially confusing" I just think it's Aventurine's way to explain the matter. They might not have phrased it in a way that all players may understand. Basically it was just to cover that they are considering these people as hackers (which is the reason why they talked about the "Cheating Matter" right below the paragraph about the character names. Asking for players to delete these characters within 48 hours is a way for them to remove all players who uses similar names but don't hack so they can take care of the real matter: "The cheaters". As for people who do not wish to fully delete their items, it is still possible to give your items to your friend while you delete your character and create a new one (while he gives your items back or simply put them in the clan storage for you) and because it's how skilled the player is that matters the most when it comes to fighting, it's not as problematic as a players that has to delete their level 122 character that took 2 years to raise)
You also have to admit, like Kyle said, it destroys the immersion to have those "xXx-Sasuke-xXx, Oo-MasterChief-oO " in a game. But that's another issue though (but fact remains I'd want them to receive a banhammer too) (Note that I'm an RPer to some extent which may explain this).
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As for the people who say "well make a name filter". True but how? Filter all names with consequent consonants or vowels? If so, many names would be rendered illegal (I'll take one of your Jimmy's for exemple: Deirdre). Instead they should simply promote RP names by giving a few advices on how to make one for your character (Wakfu does that though the game is in French only right now). Players are not forced to RP, they are simply forced to use their heads a bit and make something more.....originial. For exemple, the name I use most of the time is " Ivoldir ".
I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea. How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all. Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far. For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces. More MMOs need to do this.
Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.
Going to have to double post here. My bad.
I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.
You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.
if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".
If its hard to read, its harder to report if they do deciede to do something wrong (macro, hack, etc.). Not enforceing this (Atleast by having a better name filter) is allowing THEM to get away with thinks other players would not, because the guy that caught them couldn't tell what their name was. So in a sense, it's a cheat. But, to each his own I guess, thats just the way I think about it.
They can create name linking for people like "%t" in wow/EQ and probably other games. For GMs, it should be even easier. A simple code would display not only names to GMs, but id numbers of those characters. So it would be much easier to ban character number 1573 compared to trying to type the correct name.
All data is stored in DB by ids anyways. The name is dynamic, id is static. GMs should never ban or something like that referencing a name, becuse they can make a mistake. With id, the likelyhood of the mistake is much lower.
I did not really mean to say people who defend these names are hackers or whatever, it was more of an hyperbole. No names you mentionned would deserve a ban anyway. I use similar names. As for wether or not ilililililili is a good name......can we just all agree that we'd never befriend someone like that? I mean, we can't even whisper him because we don't know if it's lllllllllllllllllllll with lower care "L" or IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with a cap "i". Why would you call yourself this way in the first place? I would never make a stupid name like that and I would most likely not be motivated to make friends with someone named IlIlIl, but that does not automatically give me the right to judge that name as "confusing". The name is stupid but not offensive, hence no1 should force that player to change it.
Yes Aventurine is banning those but I've played MMOs for so many years starting from UO passing by WoW and EQ , most of the F2Ps and now DarkFall and I've seen all those "lllllllllllll" roaming around with bots so it's sort of hard for me to say "hey who knows, maybe it's a real person behind the computer even though he's been killing the same monster over and over again for 20 hours with no break and keeps coming back to the same position". Beside, I think Aventurine is intelligent enough to make the difference between "lllllllllllllllllll" or "hfoeaylaeyl" and "Grondar". 2 out of 3 will obviously get banned while the last one (yours) is completly legit and will never receive a ban unless you do something illegal. I don't assume if someone named IlIlIl is a hacker untll i actualy see them hack. Innocent until proven guilty. I am glad you find my name "Grondar" to be legit. But if I see them judging other names, I will always worry that one day they may do the same to me, I never know. As for names "potentially confusing" I just think it's Aventurine's way to explain the matter. They might not have phrased it in a way that all players may understand. Basically it was just to cover that they are considering these people as hackers (which is the reason why they talked about the "Cheating Matter" right below the paragraph about the character names. Asking for players to delete these characters within 48 hours is a way for them to remove all players who uses similar names but don't hack so they can take care of the real matter: "The cheaters". As for people who do not wish to fully delete their items, it is still possible to give your items to your friend while you delete your character and create a new one (while he gives your items back or simply put them in the clan storage for you) and because it's how skilled the player is that matters the most when it comes to fighting, it's not as problematic as a players that has to delete their level 122 character that took 2 years to raise)
AV seems to be saying a lot of "confusing" things lately. I mean, you shouldn't be even explaining this to me, their communication should be clear enough for most people to understand. And yet again and again they say things that are unclear and stirr alot of protests becuase people interpret it in a different way. They really should fire their PR guy for doing such a lousy job. Even so, why should anyone remove their character they worked for over a month? Why not just rename it? Deleting a month worth of efort is still painfull to me. I wouldn't want to do that if I haven't broken any laws.
You also have to admit, like Kyle said, it destroys the immersion to have those "xXx-Sasuke-xXx, Oo-MasterChief-oO " in a game. But that's another issue though (but fact remains I'd want them to receive a banhammer too) (Note that I'm an RPer to some extent which may explain this).
Yes it does, and I hate seeing names like those above, but not when Im playing on a non-rpg server. DF has only one server, why should RPGers be treated better then the rest of people?
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As for the people who say "well make a name filter". True but how? Filter all names with consequent consonants or vowels? If so, many names would be rendered illegal (I'll take one of your Jimmy's for exemple: Deirdre). Instead they should simply promote RP names by giving a few advices on how to make one for your character (Wakfu does that though the game is in French only right now). Players are not forced to RP, they are simply forced to use their heads a bit and make something more.....originial. For exemple, the name I use most of the time is " Ivoldir ". Making a filter is a tough task, but there are other ways to completely bypass the "confused GM" effect. For GMs, they can use player ids, for players, they can use "%t" to link the name into chat. Its that simple. If you can target the player, you can type his name. Problem solved.
The biggest problem with all of this comes down to the simple why they are doing it and how they are doing it.
The WHY was not explained clearly, so people start speculating and assuming. Names that "confuse GM"? Cannot link/type the name? There are ways to solve this without the dreaded "delete it or be banned" ultimatum. AV PR fails yet again.
The HOW is also very puzzling. Any company that deals with customers and their names should know that names are dynamic and unpredictable. They should of created means to reference names without actually typing them because names are not unique nor follow a pattern. GMs shouldn't even have the power to ban people by their character names because its so much easier to make a typo with alphabetic character then numeric character. Any decent programmer knows this. If anyone ever played CS, they probably were in a situation where they were mistakingly kicked/banned by admin who typed a name instead of user id.
I did not really mean to say people who defend these names are hackers or whatever, it was more of an hyperbole. No names you mentionned would deserve a ban anyway. I use similar names. As for wether or not ilililililili is a good name......can we just all agree that we'd never befriend someone like that? I mean, we can't even whisper him because we don't know if it's lllllllllllllllllllll with lower care "L" or IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with a cap "i". Why would you call yourself this way in the first place? I would never make a stupid name like that and I would most likely not be motivated to make friends with someone named IlIlIl, but that does not automatically give me the right to judge that name as "confusing". The name is stupid but not offensive, hence no1 should force that player to change it.
Yes Aventurine is banning those but I've played MMOs for so many years starting from UO passing by WoW and EQ , most of the F2Ps and now DarkFall and I've seen all those "lllllllllllll" roaming around with bots so it's sort of hard for me to say "hey who knows, maybe it's a real person behind the computer even though he's been killing the same monster over and over again for 20 hours with no break and keeps coming back to the same position". Beside, I think Aventurine is intelligent enough to make the difference between "lllllllllllllllllll" or "hfoeaylaeyl" and "Grondar". 2 out of 3 will obviously get banned while the last one (yours) is completly legit and will never receive a ban unless you do something illegal. I don't assume if someone named IlIlIl is a hacker untll i actualy see them hack. Innocent until proven guilty. I am glad you find my name "Grondar" to be legit. But if I see them judging other names, I will always worry that one day they may do the same to me, I never know. As for names "potentially confusing" I just think it's Aventurine's way to explain the matter. They might not have phrased it in a way that all players may understand. Basically it was just to cover that they are considering these people as hackers (which is the reason why they talked about the "Cheating Matter" right below the paragraph about the character names. Asking for players to delete these characters within 48 hours is a way for them to remove all players who uses similar names but don't hack so they can take care of the real matter: "The cheaters". As for people who do not wish to fully delete their items, it is still possible to give your items to your friend while you delete your character and create a new one (while he gives your items back or simply put them in the clan storage for you) and because it's how skilled the player is that matters the most when it comes to fighting, it's not as problematic as a players that has to delete their level 122 character that took 2 years to raise) AV seems to be saying a lot of "confusing" things lately. I mean, you shouldn't be even explaining this to me, their communication should be clear enough for most people to understand. And yet again and again they say things that are unclear and stirr alot of protests becuase people interpret it in a different way. They really should fire their PR guy for doing such a lousy job. Even so, why should anyone remove their character they worked for over a month? Why not just rename it? Deleting a month worth of efort is still painfull to me. I wouldn't want to do that if I haven't broken any laws.
You also have to admit, like Kyle said, it destroys the immersion to have those "xXx-Sasuke-xXx, Oo-MasterChief-oO " in a game. But that's another issue though (but fact remains I'd want them to receive a banhammer too) (Note that I'm an RPer to some extent which may explain this). Yes it does, and I hate seeing names like those above, but not when Im playing on a non-rpg server. DF has only one server, why should RPGers be treated better then the rest of people?
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As for the people who say "well make a name filter". True but how? Filter all names with consequent consonants or vowels? If so, many names would be rendered illegal (I'll take one of your Jimmy's for exemple: Deirdre). Instead they should simply promote RP names by giving a few advices on how to make one for your character (Wakfu does that though the game is in French only right now). Players are not forced to RP, they are simply forced to use their heads a bit and make something more.....originial. For exemple, the name I use most of the time is " Ivoldir ". Making a filter is a tough task, but there are other ways to completely bypass the "confused GM" effect. For GMs, they can use player ids, for players, they can use "%t" to link the name into chat. Its that simple. If you can target the player, you can type his name. Problem solved.
The biggest problem with all of this comes down to the simple why they are doing it and how they are doing it.
The WHY was not explained clearly, so people start speculating and assuming. Names that "confuse GM"? Cannot link/type the name? There are ways to solve this without the dreaded "delete it or be banned" ultimatum. AV PR fails yet again.
The HOW is also very puzzling. Any company that deals with customers and their names should know that names are dynamic and unpredictable. They should of created means to reference names without actually typing them because names are not unique nor follow a pattern. GMs shouldn't even have the power to ban people by their character names because its so much easier to make a typo with alphabetic character then numeric character. Any decent programmer knows this. If anyone ever played CS, they probably were in a situation where they were mistakingly kicked/banned by admin who typed a name instead of user id.
The HOW they are doing it also seems to be
The reason you can't click someone is that the first person camera will NOT allow you to click on someone to get their name. The only way to even interact with someone else is if you get about 1 foot away from them, and click a button to interact... terrible lol
Probably has something to do with incidents like THIS.
Doesn't matter... What if someone wanted a crazy name and they weren't actually NOT A HACKER?! OH NOES!
But seriously, what else do we expect since this game was made in a 3rd world country that doesn't have "free speech" to make whatever name they wanted... but whatever...
Can this game hurry up and go away so we can have another mmo come in its place...
The player in question was simply using a name made of confusing text to make accurately reporting him harder (or impossible). Whipping out the "freedom of speech" card in supporting him is like a bottomfeeding ACLU lawyer using every trick in the book to set a guilty man free. This is not the same thing as a character having a short name in a game like WoW so they don't stick out as much - this is someone trying to make themselves resistant to being reported. Seriously, anyone think this guy's RP dream name is "IlIlIlIlIl".
The interface, and more specifically the way characters are limited in the way they interact with each other, is a real problem. That needs to be addressed by AV. As to banning such a character, I don't think that's the correct path to take, but such players should be forced to change their names to something clearly recognizable.
They can create name linking for people like "%t" in wow/EQ and probably other games. For GMs, it should be even easier. A simple code would display not only names to GMs, but id numbers of those characters. So it would be much easier to ban character number 1573 compared to trying to type the correct name. All data is stored in DB by ids anyways. The name is dynamic, id is static. GMs should never ban or something like that referencing a name, becuse they can make a mistake. With id, the likelyhood of the mistake is much lower.
Why would they possibly (or anyone) spend time and resources while their game just came from a poor beta and still needs work on other things do this? So you'd assign three people to figure out name linkage for reporting names at this stage in the game's development?
For someone who is trying to argue logically, you continue to come up with illogical gems like this. Most of the people playing do not have a problem with the naming policy (or lack of one), yet someone like you who doesn't play the game does and has posted in about ten pages regarding it? You REALLY don't have anything better to do, do you lol? That is pretty sad.
So Aventurine is supposed to stop working on game mechanics, lag issues, botters/hackers and other things relevant to actual gameplay to suit.. you? Any normal person can see the difference between lili and lilililillililililil. You trying to suggest they would ban someone named "lili" is ridiculous.
1i1i111i1i111i1i1i111 is not acceptable to 99% of people playing any type of game. Neither is iIIIIiiiIIIiIIIIiiiII or iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii or ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!. You keep arguing those as names and I can't think of anything sillier. I have no idea why you wish to defend barcode people.
Probably has something to do with incidents like THIS.
Doesn't matter... What if someone wanted a crazy name and they weren't actually NOT A HACKER?! OH NOES!
But seriously, what else do we expect since this game was made in a 3rd world country that doesn't have "free speech" to make whatever name they wanted... but whatever...
Can this game hurry up and go away so we can have another mmo come in its place...
The player in question was simply using a name made of confusing text to make accurately reporting him harder (or impossible). Whipping out the "freedom of speech" card in supporting him is like a bottomfeeding ACLU lawyer using every trick in the book to set a guilty man free. This is not the same thing as a character having a short name in a game like WoW so they don't stick out as much - this is someone trying to make themselves resistant to being reported. Seriously, anyone think this guy's RP dream name is "IlIlIlIlIl".
The interface, and more specifically the way characters are limited in the way they interact with each other, is a real problem. That needs to be addressed by AV. As to banning such a character, I don't think that's the correct path to take, but such players should be forced to change their names to something clearly recognizable.
lulz... I am not from the ACLU... nice try though...
Probably has something to do with incidents like THIS.
Doesn't matter... What if someone wanted a crazy name and they weren't actually NOT A HACKER?! OH NOES!
But seriously, what else do we expect since this game was made in a 3rd world country that doesn't have "free speech" to make whatever name they wanted... but whatever...
Can this game hurry up and go away so we can have another mmo come in its place...
The player in question was simply using a name made of confusing text to make accurately reporting him harder (or impossible). Whipping out the "freedom of speech" card in supporting him is like a bottomfeeding ACLU lawyer using every trick in the book to set a guilty man free. This is not the same thing as a character having a short name in a game like WoW so they don't stick out as much - this is someone trying to make themselves resistant to being reported. Seriously, anyone think this guy's RP dream name is "IlIlIlIlIl".
The interface, and more specifically the way characters are limited in the way they interact with each other, is a real problem. That needs to be addressed by AV. As to banning such a character, I don't think that's the correct path to take, but such players should be forced to change their names to something clearly recognizable.
lulz... I am not from the ACLU... nice try though...
Sorry about that - I thought the obvious lack of common sense indicated an ACLU lawyer. My bad.
I'm not really concerned with the people named something just so blatantly absurd to circumvent the reporting system (ie "IlIlIlIl" a mix of lowercase L's and uppercase I's). They should be banned no doubt. I am worried about the people that name themselves something like "2L33T4U". Although I do find that very annoying myself, I don't think they should be alright banned for it because someone thought that they might be a hacker when they really are not. I guess it depends on how strictly they enforce the naming policy.
Well dang. 10 pages of nonsense. There was only one argument going on, at the beginning of this thread, but that quickly spawned another one. The only valid argument is whether Aventurine should PERMANENTLY BAN a player for a name like that, rather than either 1) Preventing the toon from being created in the first place, 2) Issuing a WARNING before any BANS, or 3) Both. That then lead to, "Are names like Lililllili really valid? Are they all hackers? Should they even be warned?"
That's what people won't shut up about. No side is going to win because you're both stubborn.
I think this thread has really run its course. Summary: Aventurine is going overboard by perma-banning characters with the name, or, worse, telling people to delete their toons and start over. Whether their reasoning is right or wrong (the "moral" side of this issue) will never be settled, by the looks of the thread so far.
It's just getting rediculous at this point.
Edit: Thank you and have a nice day. Let's argue about politics or religion over in the Off-Topic forum, things that matter !
I don't see what's so bad about this. They want to ban players with names fit for getting away with cheating and whatnot. To me they're going to ban players named with obvious objectives (such as llililiiillllilillilil and so on) and not any player with L's and i's on their names (ie. Illinois).
I don't see what's so bad about this. They want to ban players with names fit for getting away with cheating and whatnot. To me they're going to ban players named with obvious objectives (such as llililiiillllilillilil and so on) and not any player with L's and i's on their names (ie. Illinois).
Problem is, they will not change the names, they will just permanently ban their ENTIRE account. So they paid $55 for this game, and get their account banned because they made a crazy looking name... that is a failure!
They can create name linking for people like "%t" in wow/EQ and probably other games. For GMs, it should be even easier. A simple code would display not only names to GMs, but id numbers of those characters. So it would be much easier to ban character number 1573 compared to trying to type the correct name.
All data is stored in DB by ids anyways. The name is dynamic, id is static. GMs should never ban or something like that referencing a name, becuse they can make a mistake. With id, the likelyhood of the mistake is much lower.
Why would they possibly (or anyone) spend time and resources while their game just came from a poor beta and still needs work on other things do this? So you'd assign three people to figure out name linkage for reporting names at this stage in the game's development?
For someone who is trying to argue logically, you continue to come up with illogical gems like this. Most of the people playing do not have a problem with the naming policy (or lack of one), yet someone like you who doesn't play the game does and has posted in about ten pages regarding it? You REALLY don't have anything better to do, do you lol? That is pretty sad.
So Aventurine is supposed to stop working on game mechanics, lag issues, botters/hackers and other things relevant to actual gameplay to suit.. you? Any normal person can see the difference between lili and lilililillililililil. You trying to suggest they would ban someone named "lili" is ridiculous.
1i1i111i1i111i1i1i111 is not acceptable to 99% of people playing any type of game. Neither is iIIIIiiiIIIiIIIIiiiII or iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii or ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!. You keep arguing those as names and I can't think of anything sillier. I have no idea why you wish to defend barcode people.
Sorry but Jimmy is right on this point. His point is far from illogical. When you want to fix something, don't just fix the tip of the iceberg, you have to fix the problem at its core. It would be better for AV to use this sort of system to keep most user safe. Though I still think promoting RP names (like LoTR for exemple) would be a better solution,but this solution only works for new players and hackers tend to ignore this anyway.
I did not really mean to say people who defend these names are hackers or whatever, it was more of an hyperbole. No names you mentionned would deserve a ban anyway. I use similar names. As for wether or not ilililililili is a good name......can we just all agree that we'd never befriend someone like that? I mean, we can't even whisper him because we don't know if it's lllllllllllllllllllll with lower care "L" or IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with a cap "i". Why would you call yourself this way in the first place? I would never make a stupid name like that and I would most likely not be motivated to make friends with someone named IlIlIl, but that does not automatically give me the right to judge that name as "confusing". The name is stupid but not offensive, hence no1 should force that player to change it.
I have to disagree. Regardless of what you do in real life or on the Internet, people constantly judge others for whatever reason or stereotype and I doubt someone will come next to this person and tell him "hey don't judge this guy because you don't have the right to". The moment you see llllllllllllllllll it is impossible for someone not to say that this name is confusing. But then again, this is a worse case scenario exemple of someone abusing the text format. Again, I could argue that the name someone used (in the first few pages) "fuukyu" is not offensive because maybe someone from asia has similar name so he should not be forced to change his name.
Yes Aventurine is banning those but I've played MMOs for so many years starting from UO passing by WoW and EQ , most of the F2Ps and now DarkFall and I've seen all those "lllllllllllll" roaming around with bots so it's sort of hard for me to say "hey who knows, maybe it's a real person behind the computer even though he's been killing the same monster over and over again for 20 hours with no break and keeps coming back to the same position". Beside, I think Aventurine is intelligent enough to make the difference between "lllllllllllllllllll" or "hfoeaylaeyl" and "Grondar". 2 out of 3 will obviously get banned while the last one (yours) is completly legit and will never receive a ban unless you do something illegal. I don't assume if someone named IlIlIl is a hacker untll i actualy see them hack. Innocent until proven guilty. I am glad you find my name "Grondar" to be legit. But if I see them judging other names, I will always worry that one day they may do the same to me, I never know. As I said, when it's been a couple of days and the guy is still roaming around botting the same monsters, keeps coming back to the same exact position AND has a name such as "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIII" or "asfasreafdfa", it's hard to say he's legit.
As for names "potentially confusing" I just think it's Aventurine's way to explain the matter. They might not have phrased it in a way that all players may understand. Basically it was just to cover that they are considering these people as hackers (which is the reason why they talked about the "Cheating Matter" right below the paragraph about the character names. Asking for players to delete these characters within 48 hours is a way for them to remove all players who uses similar names but don't hack so they can take care of the real matter: "The cheaters". As for people who do not wish to fully delete their items, it is still possible to give your items to your friend while you delete your character and create a new one (while he gives your items back or simply put them in the clan storage for you) and because it's how skilled the player is that matters the most when it comes to fighting, it's not as problematic as a players that has to delete their level 122 character that took 2 years to raise) AV seems to be saying a lot of "confusing" things lately. I mean, you shouldn't be even explaining this to me, their communication should be clear enough for most people to understand. And yet again and again they say things that are unclear and stirr alot of protests becuase people interpret it in a different way. They really should fire their PR guy for doing such a lousy job. Even so, why should anyone remove their character they worked for over a month? Why not just rename it? Deleting a month worth of efort is still painfull to me. I wouldn't want to do that if I haven't broken any laws. Renaming doesn't fix the problem. It would simply allow bots who have farmed their skills to higher level to simply change their name and stop hacking. This way, no one would notice that they were the little hacker in the corner of the town spamming "Magic Missile". And as I said, players who play legit can simply give their items to a friend while they make a new character and then take their items back. They did not lose anything aside from a few skill levels which can be grinded pretty easily.
You also have to admit, like Kyle said, it destroys the immersion to have those "xXx-Sasuke-xXx, Oo-MasterChief-oO " in a game. But that's another issue though (but fact remains I'd want them to receive a banhammer too) (Note that I'm an RPer to some extent which may explain this). Yes it does, and I hate seeing names like those above, but not when Im playing on a non-rpg server. DF has only one server, why should RPGers be treated better then the rest of people?
I don't recall saying RPGers should be treated better then the rest of people. I explained the fact that I hate these names as I am an RPer (DnD, few MUD etc).
The HOW is also very puzzling. Any company that deals with customers and their names should know that names are dynamic and unpredictable. They should of created means to reference names without actually typing them because names are not unique nor follow a pattern. GMs shouldn't even have the power to ban people by their character names because its so much easier to make a typo with alphabetic character then numeric character. Any decent programmer knows this. If anyone ever played CS, they probably were in a situation where they were mistakingly kicked/banned by admin who typed a name instead of user id.
It is possible for admins in FPS to unban people and if a player was banned by mistake, he can post on the forum to get his ban removed though it is not the case in DarkFall. As for how to fix this matter, AV should simply modify the ToS and Game Rules to avoid these sorts of name. I suppose this should make the matter clear enough for everyone. Though if they do modify their ToS and Game Rules, they technically have to allow players to change their name and then modify the ToS. But they do not plan to do this right now probably due to the high amount of bots to be banned (they haven't banned anyone that did not hack from what I've seen from the forum so I take it that they take this matter seriously and make sure they do not ban a legit player by mistake by reading all the data using 2 different ways (computer filter and a real person).
actually i've seen alot of players with names like hdhdhdhfhghgh and been friends with them. They were'nt cheaters. After trying 100's of names and the system telling you this name is in use, you say fnckit and mash the keyboard and keep that name.... So if yuor license plate has a # reading anyhting like ballah-846 i'm going to pull you out of your car and shot you for being a terrorist....cause it has allah in it.....just saying.......................................................................................................................................................................................lol @ dfo
IMO they make more money from banning accounts at this time then allowing players to rename their characters.
A player pays 50 dollars for the game up front. A Perma ban makes it where you can't get your money back.
They figure with limited space on the server a couple hundred ban players will open the store to couple hundred new plays that just paid 50 dollars to purchase the game.
Many poeple don't read forums and their website well its just outdated lol.
All MMO's have grinds. If you don't like to Grind then MMO's are not for you.
IMO they make more money from banning accounts at this time then allowing players to rename their characters.
A player pays 50 dollars for the game up front. A Perma ban makes it where you can't get your money back. They figure with limited space on the server a couple hundred ban players will open the store to couple hundred new plays that just paid 50 dollars to purchase the game. Money poeple don't read forums and their website well its just outdated lol.
Sorry but Jimmy is right on this point. His point is far from illogical. When you want to fix something, don't just fix the tip of the iceberg, you have to fix the problem at its core. It would be better for AV to use this sort of system to keep most user safe. Though I still think promoting RP names (like LoTR for exemple) would be a better solution,but this solution only works for new players and hackers tend to ignore this anyway.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Jimmy99 is one of the harshest critics about this game. He constantly QQ's "This is wrong, that is wrong. Why don't they fix this, why don't they fix that, waaa waaa waaa". Some of what he says IS rightly justified, imo. But this isn't one of them, and he doesn't even play the game, lol. So his opinion on what needs to be fixed first and in what order is just as important as say- an aboriginal Bushman. Carries no weight. I don't play the game either so same as mine. The only weight carried is by the people subbed to Darkfall and they could give two flying farts about this issue. Unless you and Jimmy are reading tons of forum threads about this elsewhere. If you can show that there is a huge demand in customer wishes for this, then you are right. Otherwise, you are just as mistaken in priority as he is.
Naming policy has to be down there with new haircuts for character models. It's stupid to focus on something this trivial. Yes, trivial. If you have a boat (Darkfall) with a buncha of holes all different sizes, in order to keep the boat from sinking do you fix the small holes first? No sane person (company) would. They would shore up the largest holes first then as they made headway they work on the smaller ones. At this stage of this game's development less than two months out from official launch and limited manpower, all you CAN do at this time is iceberg tip shavings. Don't take on the whole iceberg. Trust me, if Aventurine announced they were pulling some techs off of fixing gameplay issues to fix... this, there would REALLY be a mutiny and mass exodus of subscriptions, and Jimmy would be the first one saying how stupid Aventurine is for doing this first. Dunno how you and he cannot see that.
If anyone were to actually quit over something as silly as a naming policy, it would be less than 1% probably. Know why? Because most of us normal folks use somewhat normal names even if they are corny or stupid. And the vast majority of people care whether they are having fun playing any game; they could care less that !l!l!l!l!l!l!l got permabanned, lol. These guys clearly have a problem they have to hide, not getting properly reported. We all know DF has a limited supply of technical people. They've apparently had this problem since Day 1 ten years ago (?). So why on earth would someone ask them to prioritize names? That's just plain batshit stupid.
Jimmy99 is one of the harshest critics about this game. He constantly QQ's "This is wrong, that is wrong. Why don't they fix this, why don't they fix that, waaa waaa waaa". Some of what he says IS rightly justified, imo. But this isn't one of them, and he doesn't even play the game, lol. So his opinion on what needs to be fixed first and in what order is just as important as say- an aboriginal Bushman. Carries no weight. I don't play the game either so same as mine. The only weight carried is by the people subbed to Darkfall and they could give two flying farts about this issue. Unless you and Jimmy are reading tons of forum threads about this elsewhere. If you can show that there is a huge demand in customer wishes for this, then you are right. Otherwise, you are just as mistaken in priority as he is.
Naming policy has to be down there with new haircuts for character models. It's stupid to focus on something this trivial. Yes, trivial. If you have a boat (Darkfall) with a buncha of holes all different sizes, in order to keep the boat from sinking do you fix the small holes first? No sane person (company) would. They would shore up the largest holes first then as they made headway they work on the smaller ones. At this stage of this game's development less than two months out from official launch and limited manpower, all you CAN do at this time is iceberg tip shavings. Don't take on the whole iceberg. Trust me, if Aventurine announced they were pulling some techs off of fixing gameplay issues to fix... this, there would REALLY be a mutiny and mass exodus of subscriptions, and Jimmy would be the first one saying how stupid Aventurine is for doing this first. Dunno how you and he cannot see that.
If anyone were to actually quit over something as silly as a naming policy, it would be less than 1% probably. Know why? Because most of us normal folks use somewhat normal names even if they are corny or stupid. And the vast majority of people care whether they are having fun playing any game; they could care less that !l!l!l!l!l!l!l got permabanned, lol. These guys clearly have a problem they have to hide, not getting properly reported. We all know DF has a limited supply of technical people. They've apparently had this problem since Day 1 ten years ago (?). So why on earth would someone ask them to prioritize names? That's just plain batshit stupid.
1) I actually played the game for over a week and a half on my friends account while he was on vacation so I did have a decent taste of the game (I pretty much tested everything from crafting to clan war etc).
2)Character name is far from trivial
3)You do not let a boat set sail when it's filled with holes.
4)Wether Jimmy is always right or always wrong is irrelevant to me. The fact remains that the solution he suggested (which is also used in a few other MMOs) is a good idea.
5)I did not read past half of your second paragraph....you went completly out of subject pointing out things we already know and some irrelevant infos.
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Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.
Going to have to double post here. My bad.
I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.
You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.
if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".
If its hard to read, its harder to report if they do deciede to do something wrong (macro, hack, etc.). Not enforceing this (Atleast by having a better name filter) is allowing THEM to get away with thinks other players would not, because the guy that caught them couldn't tell what their name was. So in a sense, it's a cheat. But, to each his own I guess, thats just the way I think about it.
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You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.
if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".
I did not really mean to say people who defend these names are hackers or whatever, it was more of an hyperbole.
No names you mentionned would deserve a ban anyway. I use similar names. As for wether or not ilililililili is a good name......can we just all agree that we'd never befriend someone like that? I mean, we can't even whisper him because we don't know if it's lllllllllllllllllllll with lower care "L" or IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII with a cap "i". Why would you call yourself this way in the first place?
Yes Aventurine is banning those but I've played MMOs for so many years starting from UO passing by WoW and EQ , most of the F2Ps and now DarkFall and I've seen all those "lllllllllllll" roaming around with bots so it's sort of hard for me to say "hey who knows, maybe it's a real person behind the computer even though he's been killing the same monster over and over again for 20 hours with no break and keeps coming back to the same position". Beside, I think Aventurine is intelligent enough to make the difference between "lllllllllllllllllll" or "hfoeaylaeyl" and "Grondar". 2 out of 3 will obviously get banned while the last one (yours) is completly legit and will never receive a ban unless you do something illegal.
As for names "potentially confusing" I just think it's Aventurine's way to explain the matter. They might not have phrased it in a way that all players may understand. Basically it was just to cover that they are considering these people as hackers (which is the reason why they talked about the "Cheating Matter" right below the paragraph about the character names. Asking for players to delete these characters within 48 hours is a way for them to remove all players who uses similar names but don't hack so they can take care of the real matter: "The cheaters". As for people who do not wish to fully delete their items, it is still possible to give your items to your friend while you delete your character and create a new one (while he gives your items back or simply put them in the clan storage for you) and because it's how skilled the player is that matters the most when it comes to fighting, it's not as problematic as a players that has to delete their level 122 character that took 2 years to raise)
You also have to admit, like Kyle said, it destroys the immersion to have those "xXx-Sasuke-xXx, Oo-MasterChief-oO " in a game. But that's another issue though (but fact remains I'd want them to receive a banhammer too) (Note that I'm an RPer to some extent which may explain this).
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As for the people who say "well make a name filter". True but how? Filter all names with consequent consonants or vowels? If so, many names would be rendered illegal (I'll take one of your Jimmy's for exemple: Deirdre). Instead they should simply promote RP names by giving a few advices on how to make one for your character (Wakfu does that though the game is in French only right now). Players are not forced to RP, they are simply forced to use their heads a bit and make something more.....originial. For exemple, the name I use most of the time is " Ivoldir ".
dang wall of text FTL... :O
Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.
Going to have to double post here. My bad.
I must say that everyone who actually defends players using "hard to read" names are probably the same players who uses these names..... I mean seriously.....just log on WoW or whatever you play, go in one of the major town. What do you see or hear in the town chat? "gfsdflshtfe: GOLD FARM!!!! $20!!!!!!111!!. ". Visit another game, Mabinogi for exemple, now look at Brown Fox spawn....what do you see? ahfahfashdfasf is botting and attack every monsters in sight since this 8 AM and it's now 1AM. I dare anyone who can use a "feature" we humans have called "logic" to tell me there isn't anything "unusual" here.
You are wrong. I do not like those names, but I do not want to give the power to someone to judge my name for themselves. ilililililil may not be a good name, but if we allow someone to judge that for us, then maybe that person will judge my name to be in-apropriate. My names are: Grondar, Exioth, Bennedict, Jullius, Elvire, Tormoz, Elvire, Elvina, Diedre, Deirdre, Akeera, Gnomercenary,Gnomercy, Priestes -those are some of my fav names across many games.
if a name is offensive - ban it. But is the name hard to read or confusing? Don't ban it becuase this alon is so ambigous, any name could be potentially "confusing".
If its hard to read, its harder to report if they do deciede to do something wrong (macro, hack, etc.). Not enforceing this (Atleast by having a better name filter) is allowing THEM to get away with thinks other players would not, because the guy that caught them couldn't tell what their name was. So in a sense, it's a cheat. But, to each his own I guess, thats just the way I think about it.
They can create name linking for people like "%t" in wow/EQ and probably other games. For GMs, it should be even easier. A simple code would display not only names to GMs, but id numbers of those characters. So it would be much easier to ban character number 1573 compared to trying to type the correct name.
All data is stored in DB by ids anyways. The name is dynamic, id is static. GMs should never ban or something like that referencing a name, becuse they can make a mistake. With id, the likelyhood of the mistake is much lower.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
The biggest problem with all of this comes down to the simple why they are doing it and how they are doing it.
The WHY was not explained clearly, so people start speculating and assuming. Names that "confuse GM"? Cannot link/type the name? There are ways to solve this without the dreaded "delete it or be banned" ultimatum. AV PR fails yet again.
The HOW is also very puzzling. Any company that deals with customers and their names should know that names are dynamic and unpredictable. They should of created means to reference names without actually typing them because names are not unique nor follow a pattern. GMs shouldn't even have the power to ban people by their character names because its so much easier to make a typo with alphabetic character then numeric character. Any decent programmer knows this. If anyone ever played CS, they probably were in a situation where they were mistakingly kicked/banned by admin who typed a name instead of user id.
The HOW they are doing it also seems to be
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
The biggest problem with all of this comes down to the simple why they are doing it and how they are doing it.
The WHY was not explained clearly, so people start speculating and assuming. Names that "confuse GM"? Cannot link/type the name? There are ways to solve this without the dreaded "delete it or be banned" ultimatum. AV PR fails yet again.
The HOW is also very puzzling. Any company that deals with customers and their names should know that names are dynamic and unpredictable. They should of created means to reference names without actually typing them because names are not unique nor follow a pattern. GMs shouldn't even have the power to ban people by their character names because its so much easier to make a typo with alphabetic character then numeric character. Any decent programmer knows this. If anyone ever played CS, they probably were in a situation where they were mistakingly kicked/banned by admin who typed a name instead of user id.
The HOW they are doing it also seems to be
The reason you can't click someone is that the first person camera will NOT allow you to click on someone to get their name. The only way to even interact with someone else is if you get about 1 foot away from them, and click a button to interact... terrible lol
Doesn't matter... What if someone wanted a crazy name and they weren't actually NOT A HACKER?! OH NOES!
But seriously, what else do we expect since this game was made in a 3rd world country that doesn't have "free speech" to make whatever name they wanted... but whatever...
Can this game hurry up and go away so we can have another mmo come in its place...
The player in question was simply using a name made of confusing text to make accurately reporting him harder (or impossible). Whipping out the "freedom of speech" card in supporting him is like a bottomfeeding ACLU lawyer using every trick in the book to set a guilty man free. This is not the same thing as a character having a short name in a game like WoW so they don't stick out as much - this is someone trying to make themselves resistant to being reported. Seriously, anyone think this guy's RP dream name is "IlIlIlIlIl".
The interface, and more specifically the way characters are limited in the way they interact with each other, is a real problem. That needs to be addressed by AV. As to banning such a character, I don't think that's the correct path to take, but such players should be forced to change their names to something clearly recognizable.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Why would they possibly (or anyone) spend time and resources while their game just came from a poor beta and still needs work on other things do this? So you'd assign three people to figure out name linkage for reporting names at this stage in the game's development?
For someone who is trying to argue logically, you continue to come up with illogical gems like this. Most of the people playing do not have a problem with the naming policy (or lack of one), yet someone like you who doesn't play the game does and has posted in about ten pages regarding it? You REALLY don't have anything better to do, do you lol? That is pretty sad.
So Aventurine is supposed to stop working on game mechanics, lag issues, botters/hackers and other things relevant to actual gameplay to suit.. you? Any normal person can see the difference between lili and lilililillililililil. You trying to suggest they would ban someone named "lili" is ridiculous.
1i1i111i1i111i1i1i111 is not acceptable to 99% of people playing any type of game. Neither is iIIIIiiiIIIiIIIIiiiII or iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii or ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!. You keep arguing those as names and I can't think of anything sillier. I have no idea why you wish to defend barcode people.
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Doesn't matter... What if someone wanted a crazy name and they weren't actually NOT A HACKER?! OH NOES!
But seriously, what else do we expect since this game was made in a 3rd world country that doesn't have "free speech" to make whatever name they wanted... but whatever...
Can this game hurry up and go away so we can have another mmo come in its place...
The player in question was simply using a name made of confusing text to make accurately reporting him harder (or impossible). Whipping out the "freedom of speech" card in supporting him is like a bottomfeeding ACLU lawyer using every trick in the book to set a guilty man free. This is not the same thing as a character having a short name in a game like WoW so they don't stick out as much - this is someone trying to make themselves resistant to being reported. Seriously, anyone think this guy's RP dream name is "IlIlIlIlIl".
The interface, and more specifically the way characters are limited in the way they interact with each other, is a real problem. That needs to be addressed by AV. As to banning such a character, I don't think that's the correct path to take, but such players should be forced to change their names to something clearly recognizable.
lulz... I am not from the ACLU... nice try though...
Anyone using a stupid name like iIiIiIiI is tryinbg to do something wrong by making it hard for people to report them via the community. LOL Losers.
BANNED! Dont got account, get new isp lol PWNED!
Looks like it just might be time to get Darkfall after somemore fallout.
Doesn't matter... What if someone wanted a crazy name and they weren't actually NOT A HACKER?! OH NOES!
But seriously, what else do we expect since this game was made in a 3rd world country that doesn't have "free speech" to make whatever name they wanted... but whatever...
Can this game hurry up and go away so we can have another mmo come in its place...
The player in question was simply using a name made of confusing text to make accurately reporting him harder (or impossible). Whipping out the "freedom of speech" card in supporting him is like a bottomfeeding ACLU lawyer using every trick in the book to set a guilty man free. This is not the same thing as a character having a short name in a game like WoW so they don't stick out as much - this is someone trying to make themselves resistant to being reported. Seriously, anyone think this guy's RP dream name is "IlIlIlIlIl".
The interface, and more specifically the way characters are limited in the way they interact with each other, is a real problem. That needs to be addressed by AV. As to banning such a character, I don't think that's the correct path to take, but such players should be forced to change their names to something clearly recognizable.
lulz... I am not from the ACLU... nice try though...
Sorry about that - I thought the obvious lack of common sense indicated an ACLU lawyer. My bad.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
I'm not really concerned with the people named something just so blatantly absurd to circumvent the reporting system (ie "IlIlIlIl" a mix of lowercase L's and uppercase I's). They should be banned no doubt. I am worried about the people that name themselves something like "2L33T4U". Although I do find that very annoying myself, I don't think they should be alright banned for it because someone thought that they might be a hacker when they really are not. I guess it depends on how strictly they enforce the naming policy.
lol naw... I got a refund about 2 weeks after it came out... CC dispute ftw!
LIES!!!!!!!!!
lol naw... I got a refund about 2 weeks after it came out... CC dispute ftw!
LIES!!!!!!!!!
Is the truth
long long ago either in silkroad or hero i seen a guy named __________ yup lol.
anyways it's done jus to make it hard to report as they azz rape you!!
Well dang. 10 pages of nonsense. There was only one argument going on, at the beginning of this thread, but that quickly spawned another one. The only valid argument is whether Aventurine should PERMANENTLY BAN a player for a name like that, rather than either 1) Preventing the toon from being created in the first place, 2) Issuing a WARNING before any BANS, or 3) Both. That then lead to, "Are names like Lililllili really valid? Are they all hackers? Should they even be warned?"
That's what people won't shut up about. No side is going to win because you're both stubborn.
I think this thread has really run its course. Summary: Aventurine is going overboard by perma-banning characters with the name, or, worse, telling people to delete their toons and start over. Whether their reasoning is right or wrong (the "moral" side of this issue) will never be settled, by the looks of the thread so far.
It's just getting rediculous at this point.
Edit: Thank you and have a nice day. Let's argue about politics or religion over in the Off-Topic forum, things that matter
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I don't see what's so bad about this. They want to ban players with names fit for getting away with cheating and whatnot. To me they're going to ban players named with obvious objectives (such as llililiiillllilillilil and so on) and not any player with L's and i's on their names (ie. Illinois).
Problem is, they will not change the names, they will just permanently ban their ENTIRE account. So they paid $55 for this game, and get their account banned because they made a crazy looking name... that is a failure!
Why would they possibly (or anyone) spend time and resources while their game just came from a poor beta and still needs work on other things do this? So you'd assign three people to figure out name linkage for reporting names at this stage in the game's development?
For someone who is trying to argue logically, you continue to come up with illogical gems like this. Most of the people playing do not have a problem with the naming policy (or lack of one), yet someone like you who doesn't play the game does and has posted in about ten pages regarding it? You REALLY don't have anything better to do, do you lol? That is pretty sad.
So Aventurine is supposed to stop working on game mechanics, lag issues, botters/hackers and other things relevant to actual gameplay to suit.. you? Any normal person can see the difference between lili and lilililillililililil. You trying to suggest they would ban someone named "lili" is ridiculous.
1i1i111i1i111i1i1i111 is not acceptable to 99% of people playing any type of game. Neither is iIIIIiiiIIIiIIIIiiiII or iiiiiiiiiiiiiiii or ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!ii!!. You keep arguing those as names and I can't think of anything sillier. I have no idea why you wish to defend barcode people.
Sorry but Jimmy is right on this point. His point is far from illogical. When you want to fix something, don't just fix the tip of the iceberg, you have to fix the problem at its core. It would be better for AV to use this sort of system to keep most user safe. Though I still think promoting RP names (like LoTR for exemple) would be a better solution,but this solution only works for new players and hackers tend to ignore this anyway.
The HOW is also very puzzling. Any company that deals with customers and their names should know that names are dynamic and unpredictable. They should of created means to reference names without actually typing them because names are not unique nor follow a pattern. GMs shouldn't even have the power to ban people by their character names because its so much easier to make a typo with alphabetic character then numeric character. Any decent programmer knows this. If anyone ever played CS, they probably were in a situation where they were mistakingly kicked/banned by admin who typed a name instead of user id.
It is possible for admins in FPS to unban people and if a player was banned by mistake, he can post on the forum to get his ban removed though it is not the case in DarkFall. As for how to fix this matter, AV should simply modify the ToS and Game Rules to avoid these sorts of name. I suppose this should make the matter clear enough for everyone. Though if they do modify their ToS and Game Rules, they technically have to allow players to change their name and then modify the ToS. But they do not plan to do this right now probably due to the high amount of bots to be banned (they haven't banned anyone that did not hack from what I've seen from the forum so I take it that they take this matter seriously and make sure they do not ban a legit player by mistake by reading all the data using 2 different ways (computer filter and a real person).
actually i've seen alot of players with names like hdhdhdhfhghgh and been friends with them. They were'nt cheaters. After trying 100's of names and the system telling you this name is in use, you say fnckit and mash the keyboard and keep that name.... So if yuor license plate has a # reading anyhting like ballah-846 i'm going to pull you out of your car and shot you for being a terrorist....cause it has allah in it.....just saying.......................................................................................................................................................................................lol @ dfo
IMO they make more money from banning accounts at this time then allowing players to rename their characters.
A player pays 50 dollars for the game up front. A Perma ban makes it where you can't get your money back.
They figure with limited space on the server a couple hundred ban players will open the store to couple hundred new plays that just paid 50 dollars to purchase the game.
Many poeple don't read forums and their website well its just outdated lol.
All MMO's have grinds. If you don't like to Grind then MMO's are not for you.
My thoughts exactly...
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Jimmy99 is one of the harshest critics about this game. He constantly QQ's "This is wrong, that is wrong. Why don't they fix this, why don't they fix that, waaa waaa waaa". Some of what he says IS rightly justified, imo. But this isn't one of them, and he doesn't even play the game, lol. So his opinion on what needs to be fixed first and in what order is just as important as say- an aboriginal Bushman. Carries no weight. I don't play the game either so same as mine. The only weight carried is by the people subbed to Darkfall and they could give two flying farts about this issue. Unless you and Jimmy are reading tons of forum threads about this elsewhere. If you can show that there is a huge demand in customer wishes for this, then you are right. Otherwise, you are just as mistaken in priority as he is.
Naming policy has to be down there with new haircuts for character models. It's stupid to focus on something this trivial. Yes, trivial. If you have a boat (Darkfall) with a buncha of holes all different sizes, in order to keep the boat from sinking do you fix the small holes first? No sane person (company) would. They would shore up the largest holes first then as they made headway they work on the smaller ones. At this stage of this game's development less than two months out from official launch and limited manpower, all you CAN do at this time is iceberg tip shavings. Don't take on the whole iceberg. Trust me, if Aventurine announced they were pulling some techs off of fixing gameplay issues to fix... this, there would REALLY be a mutiny and mass exodus of subscriptions, and Jimmy would be the first one saying how stupid Aventurine is for doing this first. Dunno how you and he cannot see that.
If anyone were to actually quit over something as silly as a naming policy, it would be less than 1% probably. Know why? Because most of us normal folks use somewhat normal names even if they are corny or stupid. And the vast majority of people care whether they are having fun playing any game; they could care less that !l!l!l!l!l!l!l got permabanned, lol. These guys clearly have a problem they have to hide, not getting properly reported. We all know DF has a limited supply of technical people. They've apparently had this problem since Day 1 ten years ago (?). So why on earth would someone ask them to prioritize names? That's just plain batshit stupid.
"TO MICHAEL!"
1) I actually played the game for over a week and a half on my friends account while he was on vacation so I did have a decent taste of the game (I pretty much tested everything from crafting to clan war etc).
2)Character name is far from trivial
3)You do not let a boat set sail when it's filled with holes.
4)Wether Jimmy is always right or always wrong is irrelevant to me. The fact remains that the solution he suggested (which is also used in a few other MMOs) is a good idea.
5)I did not read past half of your second paragraph....you went completly out of subject pointing out things we already know and some irrelevant infos.
are we still arguing whether 11ll1ll Ill11l should be allowed in game?
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