Long time subscribers..

nafeasonto

As usual I love to ask these questions to keep from me not getting sad:

WHoever is a long time subscriber did you get your e-mail? Now I need clarification I heard TWO things:

1. Long time subscribers are considered people who have been playing for a long time, and STILL are playing.

2. Long time subscribers are people who have played for awhile, and had an account in good standing since that time, but still don't have to keep playing. (3 years)

Which is correct, because if 2 is true I actually have a chance, if it isn't, then I am screwed. And used to be a Guide, that does count for ANYTHING eitier?

Naf

jhill

1 is correct, it was stated by Faarwolf and Moorgard that long time subscribers must have an active/current account.  They have not mentioned how long you must have been with them, but you do have to make sure your acct. is still active and current.

Palofox

Long-time EQ subscriber here since March 1999.  Still no beta email as of October 1.

The thing that's a bummer is I know two people who never played EQ or bought LoE ( they just signed up for beta on the website ), yet they have gotten beta emails.

nafeasonto

I really don't know what to say to that, I just don't even want to say anything. Because getting annoyed or pissed really won't do anything for me. Oh well.

Naf

Coldmeat

I don't see the big deal about getting into beta or not.

Your characters will be deleted at the end of beta, so it's not like you get a head start when the game goes live.

Gameplay is buggy, zones are laggy and crash, or are brought down often.

Things get changed around every 5 minutes, so you never know when your character will take a big hit in effectiveness.

You might pay lip service to 'testing' the game, but really, it's all about satiating your need to play the game now, and not later. Funny, you types are inevitably the first ones rushing to the beta forums screaming about how the games not what you thought it was, and if the devs don't change it yesterday, you're gonna stomp your feet and cry.

And then you wonder why it's buggy, and things don't work at release.

nafeasonto

Okay.

First of all dude that was very harsh.

Second of all you don't even know me, or how I am, or the way I am.

I am the most understanding person you could meet.
I am never impatient for release dates.
I am never impatient with bugs, or errors in games and such.

All the people that bitch and moan about bugs and crashes in games, and release date, do you realize what I say??

I go "well it's done when it's done, have patience."

OR "Well not everything is perfect."

I actually had a friend who is exactly like you described, (we are not friends any more cause of many reasons). BUT IN ANY EVENT. I am no where near like what you said.

I know their are bugs to expect, I know what to expect when it comes to a beta. I WOULD ACTUALLY report bugs, repeat events to find out if it is even a bug. Do all the things a beta tester should do. I would be on top of things exactly like that. BELIEVE ME DUDE, I am not just their to play. I signed up knowing full well what to expect when it comes to a beta game. You have no idea what I am like.

I feel this:

If I have played the game for 3 years + being a Guide, I feel as if that would help me as a boost and feel as if I can be given something in return. I guess not, and you know what oh well for me. I know Sony on the inside and how they are with rules, and what they are like. I was part of their team for a short while.

So believe me when I say, I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. AND I would be ready for it.

Naf

Vineyard

Nafe, don't worry about or pay any attention to Coldmeat. all he does is post nasty little remarks to people with any concern that he doesnt agree with. Here is the secret, he doesnt agree with anything. He is a bitter little basement dweller (his parents basement) from Omaha that gets his little kicks being mean to people with his childlike sense of superiority. He also fancies himself quite clever, don't believe the hype. He will piss and he will moan but in the end he just comes off as a vacuous little git. I can give you a quote that comes in quite handy when dealing with some, but not all,  of the..."people"...in these forums. And this is it, "Don't suffer the fools."...they suffer enough just being themselves.

aeric67

Coldmeat, it's not about any of those things you cite. It's about being an enthusiast. People that are excited to get in Beta don't have that selfish desire to keep their characters or have a flawless gaming experience. They only want to get into something as soon as possible, to be part of the experience, because it's exciting to them. They are usually early adopters in almost all things, not just this.

The most you can fault them for is being impatient perhaps, but childish cry-babies?? Quite a broad brush to be painting people you don't know. Perhaps there is some transferrence there... But hey, I'm no psychologist.

Coldmeat

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Originally posted by nafeasonto
Okay.First of all dude that was very harsh.Second of all you don't even know me, or how I am, or the way I am. I am the most understanding person you could meet.
I am never impatient for release dates.
I am never impatient with bugs, or errors in games and such.All the people that bitch and moan about bugs and crashes in games, and release date, do you realize what I say??I go "well it's done when it's done, have patience."OR "Well not everything is perfect."I actually had a friend who is exactly like you described, (we are not friends any more cause of many reasons). BUT IN ANY EVENT. I am no where near like what you said.I know their are bugs to expect, I know what to expect when it comes to a beta. I WOULD ACTUALLY report bugs, repeat events to find out if it is even a bug. Do all the things a beta tester should do. I would be on top of things exactly like that. BELIEVE ME DUDE, I am not just their to play. I signed up knowing full well what to expect when it comes to a beta game. You have no idea what I am like.I feel this:If I have played the game for 3 years + being a Guide, I feel as if that would help me as a boost and feel as if I can be given something in return. I guess not, and you know what oh well for me. I know Sony on the inside and how they are with rules, and what they are like. I was part of their team for a short while. So believe me when I say, I KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. AND I would be ready for it.Naf

Vineyard

What I am doing Coldmeat is not casting insults, mearly sheding light. You arent even worth an insult. And unlike Aeric67 I do have a psychology degree. All you seem to want to do is jump on everyone for just about any reason. Its realy quite amazing how much you can learn about someone by simply reading a few of their posts. And about my being stale. How many of your posts contain the sentiment, "As I have constantly said, blah,blah,blah". You post that type of nonsense alot . So dont go about railing suggestions of others being stale when you use the same tired argument all the time.

Coldmeat

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Originally posted by Vineyard
What I am doing Coldmeat is not casting insults, mearly sheding light. You arent even worth an insult. And unlike Aeric67 I do have a psychology degree. All you seem to want to do is jump on everyone for just about any reason. Its realy quite amazing how much you can learn about someone by simply reading a few of their posts. And about my being stale. How many of your posts contain the sentiment, "As I have constantly said, blah,blah,blah". You post that type of nonsense alot . So dont go about railing suggestions of others being stale when you use the same tired argument all the time.

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You've got a psych degree, I'm an ordained minister. Or a famous movie actor, or maybe I'm a Russian cosmonaut today, who's to say.

Given you went to the "you live in your parents basement" spiel right off the bat, you'll forgive me if I find your stunning insights less than.

Doomsayer

What's wrong with living in your parents basement?

Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.

Coldmeat

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Originally posted by Doomsayer
What's wrong with living in your parents basement?Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.

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Not sure. Probably has something to do with Norman Bates

Minxx

There are a lot of people who have a sarcastic nature and like the feeling of power that aggressive , negative posts give them.  Since the net is mostly an anonymous place, insecurities are often  hidden behind the computer screen and their nasty attitudes.  You just can't take it personally.  If someone is negative frequently, it is the filter through which they see the world, and that is very sad indeed.

And I really am a psychologist (though now retired from private practice). 

Minxx

Coldmeat

It's a problem with society in general. Fifty years ago, you would have known that the kid bagging your groceries was the Johnson boy, and was up for a football scholarship. Now he doesn't have time for getting a job, he's practicing and working out 24/7 so he can end up with a multimillion dollar contract with the NFL, and endorsements, etc. Possibly taking steroids to give him that 'edge'. You don't know who the guy working the gas pump is because you just swipe your credit card, fill your tank and drive away without any human contact.

Families have both parents working full time. Their kids are raised by day care, teachers, and television.

Our society has become more and more disconnected from our communal roots as technology has become more pervasive. Alot of people work long hours at crappy jobs they don't like for crappy pay to pay for things they really don't need. Then they spend an hour each way trapped in their car in rush hour traffic, maybe longer if they're unlucky. Less and less they deal with actual people, and in those few times you do deal with people, it's cold, sterile and impersonal. How many of you have been rude to that poor kid working the counter at the fast food place? And how many are rude to their doctor?

It's not just the internet, though it might be more noticable here. I can assure you, people are plenty rude in real life. Particularly if you don't fit the Old Navy middle class white folk look that people prefer.

To sum it up nice and tidy - People are broken. News at 11.

Vineyard

I will humbly admit, Coldmeat, that for the most part I agree with you about society.We indeed have become overly disconnected. And all too numerous amounts of people find themselves in lives or situations that falls all to short of imagined destinies or dreams. And Minxx, I never said I was a psychologist, I just have a degree in it. My profession is from my other degrees, interior design and architecture. I am very lucky to own a business doing what I love more than anything, design. The psychology degree is just a good idea for owning a business...and believe me that it realy, realy helps. But back to Coldmeats point, I deal with sometimes dozens of people in a day. And sometimes you just know that they just want your info and your money but not have to look at you.It is sad realy.

IowaYeti

try arresting the very same people whoi have become disenchanted, or better yet, babysit them in a Maximum Security Prison guys... ugh  I have done both  hehe  I enjoy chatting with you all in here, so keep up the communication! 

~Yeti

...Role Player since before D&D had their first hardcover books. (Simple and Advanced Editions rules!)

Minxx

Yeti . . . . you changed your pic, and I might add you stay remarkably calm and positive for someone who has faced the challenges, and disenchantments, of being both a police officer and working in a correctional facility.  I am truly impressed! 

Vineyard, my statement of profession was not a comment on your post, and I am sorry if it seemed that way.  After writing my own response and reading back over it, I realized it sounded like a "therapist" type comment . . .  and I guess it was in a way.  I put in my profession only as an acknowledgement of that fact, and I suppose I worded it the way I did because Coldmeat questioned your statement about your degree.

Coldmeat,  I don't disagree with the vast majority of your post.  I think our society was much healthier back in the 50's (and before) in many ways, especially where families are concerned.  Focusing on the negatives though will never make it better.  You have to acknowledge the problems certainly, but then look at what CAN be, see the potential in something, or things will never change in a positive way.  There is a lot wrong with the world, but if you look for it there is also a great deal to appreciate as well.  If you are always looking for the bad stuff, unfortunately you will overlook a lot of what is good.

 . . . . .   now slipping quietly back into retirement.

Minxx

Vineyard

No worries Minxx, I didnt take it in any foul fashion. I just didnt want anyone to think I was saying that i was a psychologist.

Coldmeat

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Originally posted by Vineyard
No worries Minxx, I didnt take it in any foul fashion. I just didnt want anyone to think I was saying that i was a psychologist.

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Ah ha! You just said it!!

All kidding aside.

I like to think I do my part to make the world a better place. I'd do more, but firing people into outer space is generally frowned upon.

I do my best to make sure that my kid grows up watching little to no television. That he knows that money and posssessions aren't the yardstick of ones worth. That life is too short to take seriously. That he will not always win. I will hopefully impart a love of the natural world as well.

Aside from giving my elected civic leaders my opinions, whether or not they want them, and voting. I, as an individual, can't do that much more to change the tide of apathy. If more parents were actually parents, maybe there'd be a noticable change, but most parents can't be arsed to actually raise their children, they just put them in from of the tube, hope their teachers impart some sort of responsibility in them, then scratch their heads in puzzlement when the kid goes on a shooting spree.

But these things are cyclical in nature. After a certain low point is reached, things willt fall apart, get restructured, and start over. Much like the rise and fall of the Roman empire. The thing I fear most, though, is the backlash going to the other extreme, were everyone is supper PC, and everyone has rays of sunshine coming out their hind ends. The PC things bad enough as it is. I can't imagine a world were everyone was special and happy, and blech. /shudder.

Vineyard

I agree that most child bearers are indeed not parents. I have severed many friendships with people that had children and then proceded to royaly screw them up. One friend of mine taught his 4 or 5 year old to clap and yell "I like that, its funny!" when he would see blood and violence on T.V., discusting in my opinion. This is not the only case I could relate either. I tend not to vote for either idiot in any election, reason being and as George Carlin said, "If I dont vote I cannot be blamed for putting either asshole in office and I still have the right to bitch about both of them.". My wife doesnt agree with me, but thankfully she does support my decision. I too fear a world full of shinny happy assholes. If it does happen then I will have rays of sunshine coming out of the newly blown hole through my cranium.

IowaYeti

thanks for the comment, I try, but even a Yeti can "lose it" on occasion hehe Seeing the horrors in real life does make this completely trivial, however how much I love it, 

~Yeti

...Role Player since before D&D had their first hardcover books. (Simple and Advanced Editions rules!)

MegaWolf

on a side note... im a long time subscriber and i got a special little email

Minxx

I don't think we ever have to worry about an all "sunshine and roses" type of world.  Basic human nature leans toward seeing the glass as half empty rather than half full.  The challenge is in seeing the TRUTH . . . not just the negatives, and not just the positives.  The world is neither.  You have to deal with reality, and at the same time see the potential.  Good parenting is a perfect example that.  No child is perfect, and we do them no favors by pretending they are.  We have to correct their mistakes and allow them to experience the consequences of those mistakes, while always seeing their strengths and encouraging those in a way that builds their confidence.  That is not an easy task.  Coldmeat, it sounds like you try to do that as a father.  You are obviously a very caring parent who puts a lot of time and energy into your son.  For that I salute you.  Most of the kids I use to see in my practice only needed someone to talk to and someone who cared enough to set boundaries for them . . . . their parents on the other hand needed serious therapy (or a good swift kick in the fanny).

Minxx

Congrats MegaWolf!!