I stopped reading after you said you were doing quests haha.
Dude this is a PvP game. Everyone starts out weak then they skill up. Now I'm pretty skilled up (no macros) and can kill Black Knights solo.
Don't kill gobs if you think they're too strong. This game is not WoW. Anything can happen.
Go explore. Maybe you'll find some tombstone from a guy with 3000 gold and full plate. Maybe you'll find a siege. Maybe you'll find a mount. You never know...
I should add a few things. 1. From now on, you'll always have something to lose, due to the weapon change. You have to have an actual weapon on you or your just wasting time and effort. 2. I did actually join a clan. It wasn't much of an experience though. I'm not a big guild person, due to the fact I don't have much time to play, and play in small sessions randomly. I also don't usually stick with a game for very long. The clan I joined on Thursday didn't offer much at the time (maybe they would have had I given them the opportunity). However, on Friday, after the patch, the servers were up for about 2 hours. As soon as they were up and I logged in, everyone in the guild was required to join up, and run to some remote city, that was infact a PK city. Once I saw the guildleader and some of the officers, I realized why. After the patch, they had gone red, and needed to move. So they required it of all of us -- move the clan. We ran and ran, for what seemed like forever to this new city. I assumed they knew what they were asking of the new recruits like me. But in our travel I noticed a few things that seemed.....off. For starters, when we ran up on 2 people and killed them, it was exactly the same thing as with the goblins. Everyone swarmed the corpse, and swiped the loot with loot macros. Also, I know I passed the leader a few times in our "line" by sprinting. But a few moments later, I'd see he was way up ahead of me. He was decked out in nice gear (so it seemed), and I started wondering if he was using a teleport hack. No clue really, just an observation. When arriving at the new city, we killed a few people (who were naked of course), and bound at the spot, with less than 5 minutes to spare before the server shut down again. I logged in on Saturday morning to find myself in a strange place, with no idea where to go or what to do next. So I pulled up an online map of the area, and looked to see if there were any mobs around my area that I might attempt to kill. Nothing. Not a single one. Medium mobs and hard mobs. I realized how considerate of our lovely clan leaders to think of the recruits when requiring them to make this journey. So I tried to run back to where I was before. I made it about halfway I guess, when I was aggroed by what my chat called "Fire Dragon". I kept looking behind me to find the source of the flames that kept roasting me alive, but never saw the thing. I even dove into a lake hoping it would save me haha. Nope, I died. That's when I deleted and restarted. None of the above has anything to do with the game itself. I can log into anyone one of the dozens of mmo's I own and have a poor experience with the people I'm playing with; in fact I have. Yesterday I decided that I would be better off on the mainland. Your play habbits perfectly match my own. Casual player that primarily plays solo and at random times. My clan has a city on an island and it's about an hour or so back to my racial capital. There aren't any solo mobs on the island, and havesting is to dangerous unless you're in a group with people playing guard detail. I don't play long enough to dedicate myself to seiging; so I've missed out on some sick fights. 500-700 members of an enemy aligniance was marching towards an alli city; the entire island was mobilizing, and small bands of raiders were taking advantage of the seige to raid our city.
I made my journey back to the mainland only to be killed by 3 guys on drakes fifteen minutes from the town I was headed to. I'd been swimming and running for an hour. After spawning back at my clans city I decided that I was taking a mount with me this time. Yeah, mother f'er!! I summon my GD mount in the city, right at our bank, and the SoB from an enemy clan that was hiding in a corner runs over and steal my effing mount!! Just rides off, leaving me standing there staring at my monitor trying to overcome the absolutely intence desire to smash my face into the keyboard and beat the ever loving crap out of my monitor.
I quit the clan and deleted my character I'd been working on for about a month now and made a new one. I was the pissed off. Later that day I told the story to my brother and bestfriend. laughed our asses off. Funnies gd stuff to happen to me in a video game ever. Your experiences are your own, and no dev. can ensure that everyone you have is going to be one that you find enjoyable. Your guild leader could have been getting pretty bad ping spikes. On occasion I'll get a jump into the couple thousands and freeze up a second or two. I don't end up in the spot the spike began, but were the connection caught itself back up again. If he was port hacking you wouldn't have caught up to him, and since you said you were catching up to him while sprinting he couldn't wouldn't have been hacking, but lagging.
3. According to the above, you can come to a conclusion. Since the majority of the people in this game are selfish, kill-stealing, loot-stealing, macro-using asshats...then what do you exactly think those clans that you join are made up of? It's the same people, just gathered in larger populations. Tha'ts load of BS.
Your math is rather lacking if you consider the handful of people you came across being the magority.
You keep saying it. If there are a couple guys all trying to loot the same corpse then everything is gone in a flash. Not everyone is running a loot macro, you're just pissed that other people keep looting the same corpse as you and you can't get everything before them, and you're to scared to kill them. God forbid you lose the junk you got on you. 4. I love to pvp. I don't mind it a bit if someone kills me, and I love to kill other people. But in this game, especially with the rep changes, you can't do that to the people you REALLY want to kill. The pricks of the same race that are harrassing you constantly. How can't you do that? The people complaining about the alignment change are the people that wanted to be able farm possitive alignment so that they could run around killing thier own race without penalty. You can still kill your own race, but now you actually have to deal with the penalty, as it was ment to be. Nowere, not once, has Av ever stated that there wouldn't be room for race killers. It wasn't supposed to be easy for people to play a murderer.
5. So to say i didn't "try" to play the game correctly isn't quite right. You want to join a group? Go ahead. Your groupies can kill you when you're nearly dead and not get a faction hit. Then take your stuff. They'll also be ninjalooting all the bodies, because they are selfish as hell, thinking of nobody but themselves. Sure there have got to be some good people in the game somewhere, but finding them is next to impossible. This is the fault of the group you decided to hang around. If they were acting like aholes you should have left and found another group. If you're playing with clan members then there should have been rules in place, someone should have been running the group and taking charge. Why wasn't someone designated as masterlooter? 6. Basically the only way you're going to succeed in Darkfall is obvious. Join up with clans you can trust (meaning clans of real-life friends, or guilds from other games), and stay stuck up their butts the whole time. Because you can't trust anyone else, for a pickup group or random clan. Oh and dont forget the macros. You'll need to hack and macro your way to greatness. I don't understand how a video game can make someone this bitter.
Not everyone is hacking and running macros.
There are far more miserable consumers then people cheating you in darkfall.
OMFG I'm so sorry for laughing so hard at your experience but I swear that was the funniest story I've ever heard about pvp reminds me of the old days *sighs*
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Killing blow is always a terrible way to decide who gets a kill.....The person that tags/pulls it should get the kill......A game like Darkfall is just going to be a jerks paradise as the game mechanics encourage it.......
Killing blow is always a terrible way to decide who gets a kill.....The person that tags/pulls it should get the kill......A game like Darkfall is just going to be a jerks paradise as the game mechanics encourage it.......
There really isn't any need to tag a kill.
What exactly would you need to tag a kill for?
It's a full loot, free for all game. Tagging is pointless.
Not to mention you don't get anything for killing something.
It's skill based so the death actually means less then the process of killing something.
If you feel that a resource belongs to you, and that's all mobs are, a resource, then kill the people that keep taking your resources. Afterall, the game is built around territory control; that doesn't have to pertain to only the large scale. However, you'll quickly find that trying to lay claim to a given area alone a daunting task.
What you really mean is that whoever hits it first should be the only person able to loot, and that would be silly.
It's a pvp game. You facility pvp by providing a reason to engage in it. One way to do that is with open looting. If someone keeps taking what I percieve to be my loot I can kill them for it.
Instead what is needed is a system to tag thieves in some fashion. You shouldn't be able to kill a thief without penalty though, kiiling him is still murder. But maybe something that alters the players name in a way that others can see that they are thieves. It could be akin to making them wear a sign everywhere they go. Public embarasment was a popular form of punishment once upon a time.
They have nerfed the Goblin Shaman??? Nooo! I was so scared of those. I would rather meet two mounted Alfars (im human) then some goblins with a Shaman leading them.
Go explore. Maybe you'll find some tombstone from a guy with 3000 gold and full plate. Maybe you'll find a siege. Maybe you'll find a mount. You never know...
this exact thing happened to me a few days ago. roaming around the middle of the map i came across a grave in the middle of nowhere with mixed plate/banded, couple of rank 80 weaps and a nice selection of reagents. i can only guess he got pwned by the red dragon that roams there. i was naked at the time too, yeah baby!
@OP: if PVP is what you want, run over to an opposing faction's side and bind at a chaos stone there. learn where a couple of wilderness banks are and go hunting. it's fun.
Your story only proves (once more) how amateur this company really is. They way they set up the game, stuff like killing blow credit, it's just plain retard and encourage kill stealing.
It is silly to see people talk about ( how hardcore ) darkfall online is when the PvP takes no skill. DF fanbots keep bringing up WoW in a bad way when WoW's PvP is far more advanced than anything DF has to offer. The only thing DF fanbots have to hold on to is full loot, they use it each time when they make excuses for their fail of a game. The DF fanbots keep telling people they are owned when its them who keep paying Tasos to use them as human toilet paper time and time again. What man lets another man walk all over them?
It is good to see more people quiting DF as it is worse than any free to play item mall grinder. Tasos is a BS artist who released trash to a bunch of foul mouthed adults who have no PvP skills and have nothing but full loot. I think DF will either go belly up or be sold to the asian market to be released as a free to play.
haha this totally reminds me of my experience when I first started playing the game. although I eventually caught on and became the ninjalooter myself (hell, everyone's doing it right?!?!?!).
My problem with the game, besides all the missing features and false advertisement, outdated graphics (although they aren't too too bad), poor city building mechanics, lack of player housing, disconnects during sieges, and other bugs they haven't fixed or continue to add via patches, would have to be the macroing... and exploiting for that matter. It's really absurd that you should basically be expected to macro to keep up. I mean, c'mon AV what's that? And don't tell me to just play the game I mean you people have said it's a competitive do or die world yourselves... and if you don't macro you won't be competitive. Talk about a bunch of Hypocrites.
A clear case when someone tryes to play DF as it was a WoW clone. First, STOP with that shit right away. You need to get friends first, a clan is better. One character is a cannon fodder at best since you compete with other players. Dont think i will say anything more about this. It should be basic knowledge.
Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
A clear case when someone tryes to play DF as it was a WoW clone. First, STOP with that shit right away. You need to get friends first, a clan is better. One character is a cannon fodder at best since you compete with other players. Dont think i will say anything more about this. It should be basic knowledge.
Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
Stop ignoring the real issues. Refer to my post above yours.
And I wasn't mean enough I suppse. You gotta be an asshat to get anywhere in that game. Ninja looting everything you can.
Hate to say it, but I doubt I'll be logging back in.
Haha great review and very true. It`s ok to tell players in the forums what to expect when they enter Darkfall, because then we wont have to listen to the endless complaints of the gameplay. We might be weird to some of you pve players, but this is what some of us like. Little or no rules.
I had the same experience and I took me a few minutes to adapt from my PVE way of playing mmo`s. I`m still at the goblin spawns and I like it. I use them to get loot/skillgain and it feels like a minigame inside Darkfall. I don`t deliberately steel others loot, but will loot anything not claimed after a little time.
I have to admitt I have gotten that mean UO feeling again, and it doesn`t bother me to feel that way when most of the others are asshats too. If someone are going for the same mob as I do, I deliberately try to get him flagged or unsheet my weapon to be able to loot faster if he kills it.
Some say players with G15 keyboards can make a macro that loots faster, so I think I have to buy one of those.
I think of Darkfall as a paid beta atm, but I`m having fun so it doesn`t bother me.
And I wasn't mean enough I suppse. You gotta be an asshat to get anywhere in that game. Ninja looting everything you can.
Hate to say it, but I doubt I'll be logging back in.
Haha great review and very true. It`s ok to tell players in the forums what to expect when they enter Darkfall, because then we wont have to listen to the endless complaints of the gameplay. We might be weird to some of you pve players, but this is what some of us like. Little or no rules.
I had the same experience and I took me a few minutes to adapt from my PVE way of playing mmo`s. I`m still at the goblin spawns and I like it. I use them to get loot/skillgain and it feels like a minigame inside Darkfall. I don`t deliberately steel others loot, but will loot anything not claimed after a little time.
I have to admitt I have gotten that mean UO feeling again, and it doesn`t bother me to feel that way when most of the others are asshats too. If someone are going for the same mob as I do, I deliberately try to get him flagged or unsheet my weapon to be able to loot faster if he kills it.
Some say players with G15 keyboards can make a macro that loots faster, so I think I have to buy one of those.
I rest my case
I think of Darkfall as a paid beta atm, but I`m having fun so it doesn`t bother me.
Thanks for proving me right about the macroing. They might as well including a G15 macro keyboard when you buy the game.
For all the l2p commenters, learn to read. He isn't complaining about the challenges it is the macros and all the other cheat utilities out there for this game. There is NO level playing field unless you cheat too.
The game is the laughing stock of the year. The client is so poorly written it will go down in the annuls of MMO games of how not to write a client. After listening to Tasos constantly spiel nonsense what did you expect.
Aventurine is a bunch of rookie developers trying their best to compete in a marketplace where the players are far more sophisticated then they are.
As to the OP, if you read anything about this game, you had to know that macros and other cheat programs were common in this game. Seems obvious to me you did not bother to either read up on the game or just ignored what others were saying. So complaining about something that is pretty common fact is rather needless.
If you are having fun in Darkfall, have at it. Some of my friends play and enjoy it. Me I want at least a level playing field. Old UO, even without the siege ability, still had it all over Darkfall.
A clear case when someone tryes to play DF as it was a WoW clone. First, STOP with that shit right away. You need to get friends first, a clan is better. One character is a cannon fodder at best since you compete with other players. Dont think i will say anything more about this. It should be basic knowledge.
Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
Thanks for the suggestion. But I see it a little differently. The "tutorial" quests are what I was doing. These quests are put in the game to help a n00b learn the ropes of how thing work, and give a little guidance as to where to go and what to do.
I can't honestly believe that it's expected for every single new person that comes to Darkfall to just completely ignore the quests (tutorial), and just go apeshit crazy on anything and everything he sees from the getgo.
Now, if said person had a pre-determined clan or friendship group setup, then I could perhaps see it. But again, this is now back to what I was saying about having to be in a clan or group to accomplish anything, and in your case, just to simply learn the game.
Just an update however. I did take someone's advice and created an elf. Actually, to my surprise, the people in the goblin area have been cool so far. Only a fraction of the ninjalooting going on as was previously. I've actually be able to progress a little. But we'll see how long it take for me to get skilled up enough to leave the goblins and try tackling something else. It's just insane to think you might have to spend days killing the very first mobs in the game, before you can move onto the next.
You based your DF experience on what you did as a newbie?
Games like this are not really quest based and the learning curve is high (basically like old UO). I didn't think much of the game during this time period either, but I knew it'd get better after I managed to figure out enough stuff to move on from it. It only took me a day or two to get beyond the goblin killing thing, which btw, sounds like you had a harder time of it than I did.
If you don't like the game, that's fine, but to come to this conclusion after never making it past the newbie stage of the game doesn't really give your criticism much clout.
You based your DF experience on what you did as a newbie?
Games like this are not really quest based and the learning curve is high (basically like old UO). I didn't think much of the game during this time period either, but I knew it'd get better after I managed to figure out enough stuff to move on from it. It only took me a day or two to get beyond the goblin killing thing, which btw, sounds like you had a harder time of it than I did. If you don't like the game, that's fine, but to come to this conclusion after never making it past the newbie stage of the game doesn't really give your criticism much clout.
I understand what you're saying, however, first impressions are really important. I went into the game determined to learn it, and have fun. Hell, I'm STILL trying to lol. But the experience so far (first impression) isn't very good. It is better than alot of game though. I mean, when playing this game, or even thinking about, you really want to just get past these hardship parts. But wanting it and doing it are 2 different things. Having your hand held by a guild, or macroing is one way. I've been trying to do it another way, and my experience has been lackluster.
Killing blow is always a terrible way to decide who gets a kill.....The person that tags/pulls it should get the kill......A game like Darkfall is just going to be a jerks paradise as the game mechanics encourage it.......
Riiiiiiight, like thats a good way to determine the person who get loot rights. So imagine you're just the melee type who doesnt like using bows and magic. Well, you should already know who gets the loot rights.
I know there's not a single loot system out there that works well for solo'ers/gankers. The only way I could see it work is, ALL LOOT from the monster gets randomized to whoever does damage to it. Usually there would be more people than loot on a corpse, so just randomize the items to any of them. Some people may get loot, some wont, but then it can change the next time around when the next mob dies. But then again, there's always going to be a flaw somewhere and people will just have something else to say. Like I said no loot system is perfect, but if you think that people who does first hit gets loot rights, then I'm just going to keep my distance (but stay close enough to make sure I get first hit) and shoot arrows or throw magic.
Edit: Randomized loot is/should not be autolooted, it will display what you get when you look at the corpse's belongings. So all you have to do is check and see if there are any loots on the corpse for you. Also this just reminds me of UO's loot system. When you kill a monster or some sort and there are other players doing damage, the money/regeants are split EQUALLY amongst all players, HOWEVER weapons and armor doesnt apply. So the loot system that I thought would work is kinda similar to UO's.
Mirdain area is the most dangerous (prone to raids from Alfar to the South and Mahirim from the north) Bank often.
Also try and find a clan, In all my DF career I have seen only one person soloing it (an alfar named Robin Hood) and acctualy progressing. Even he is helped by the fact that he is our clan's pet Alfar and although he is not allied or in the clan we protect him somewhat.
Kill stealing, I like it, try and take advantage of it if possible. Make friends, lots of em
You based your DF experience on what you did as a newbie?
Games like this are not really quest based and the learning curve is high (basically like old UO). I didn't think much of the game during this time period either, but I knew it'd get better after I managed to figure out enough stuff to move on from it. It only took me a day or two to get beyond the goblin killing thing, which btw, sounds like you had a harder time of it than I did. If you don't like the game, that's fine, but to come to this conclusion after never making it past the newbie stage of the game doesn't really give your criticism much clout.
I understand what you're saying, however, first impressions are really important. I went into the game determined to learn it, and have fun. Hell, I'm STILL trying to lol. But the experience so far (first impression) isn't very good. It is better than alot of game though. I mean, when playing this game, or even thinking about, you really want to just get past these hardship parts. But wanting it and doing it are 2 different things. Having your hand held by a guild, or macroing is one way. I've been trying to do it another way, and my experience has been lackluster.
I agree that the first impressions are bad. it's one of the things I think DF needs to fix. I'm glad they put in the "first hit is only 10 seconds grey" thing because that was a real pain. People called me a carebear, but the real reason I wanted it was so the game won't have such a horrible first impression.
I don't find the game that fun solo, personally. Although, some may. But I hear what you mean about not wanting your hand held by a clan. Maybe you should consider joining a small, local clan with only like 20 people. They most likely won't hold your hand, but they will show you the ropes a bit.
A clear case when someone tryes to play DF as it was a WoW clone. First, STOP with that shit right away. You need to get friends first, a clan is better. One character is a cannon fodder at best since you compete with other players. Dont think i will say anything more about this. It should be basic knowledge.
Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
Thanks for the suggestion. But I see it a little differently. The "tutorial" quests are what I was doing. These quests are put in the game to help a n00b learn the ropes of how thing work, and give a little guidance as to where to go and what to do.
I can't honestly believe that it's expected for every single new person that comes to Darkfall to just completely ignore the quests (tutorial), and just go apeshit crazy on anything and everything he sees from the getgo.
Now, if said person had a pre-determined clan or friendship group setup, then I could perhaps see it. But again, this is now back to what I was saying about having to be in a clan or group to accomplish anything, and in your case, just to simply learn the game.
Just an update however. I did take someone's advice and created an elf. Actually, to my surprise, the people in the goblin area have been cool so far. Only a fraction of the ninjalooting going on as was previously. I've actually be able to progress a little. But we'll see how long it take for me to get skilled up enough to leave the goblins and try tackling something else. It's just insane to think you might have to spend days killing the very first mobs in the game, before you can move onto the next.
Get a ranged weapon as well, either bow or magic staff.
With the magic staff (100g at the starting quest giver) you can fire missiles for free. Bow you need arrows.
With ranged you can easily kill also stronger mobs, even with a newbie char.
Damn the OP was a pure pve'er or something. You realize you dont have to do those quests? Those quests are just for scrubs that have no idea what they are doing. Plus since game just launched, of course you will see a mad dash for loot drops because everything is crazy overpopulated with old UO/AC1 vets etc
Why is it I went to goblin camps and didnt have much issue? Sure I ran into a bunch of foos like you did but I merely went and found a less popular camp
And what the hell were you thinking rerolling to MahRIM?!!!! Those are the most evil pks ever there. That was a crazy decisions. Just an ounce of research would have saved u much hassle
And I could solo the goblin shaman + 2 other goblins just fine on my newbie.
The sad thing is in order to get a good experience 1st impression you are forced to go with x or y race. This is what the fanboys suggest.
why i ask. ? why does the op have to be a dwarf when he wanted to be a human for example, but because all who play humans are whole asses and ninjas your better off being a whatever other race in order to get a good experience at x game.
This shows how putrid the community is. sad to see that the fanboys themselves have to suggest races to avoid the bad asshats.
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I stopped reading after you said you were doing quests haha.
Dude this is a PvP game. Everyone starts out weak then they skill up. Now I'm pretty skilled up (no macros) and can kill Black Knights solo.
Don't kill gobs if you think they're too strong. This game is not WoW. Anything can happen.
Go explore. Maybe you'll find some tombstone from a guy with 3000 gold and full plate. Maybe you'll find a siege. Maybe you'll find a mount. You never know...
Not everyone is hacking and running macros.
There are far more miserable consumers then people cheating you in darkfall.
OMFG I'm so sorry for laughing so hard at your experience but I swear that was the funniest story I've ever heard about pvp reminds me of the old days *sighs*
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Killing blow is always a terrible way to decide who gets a kill.....The person that tags/pulls it should get the kill......A game like Darkfall is just going to be a jerks paradise as the game mechanics encourage it.......
There really isn't any need to tag a kill.
What exactly would you need to tag a kill for?
It's a full loot, free for all game. Tagging is pointless.
Not to mention you don't get anything for killing something.
It's skill based so the death actually means less then the process of killing something.
If you feel that a resource belongs to you, and that's all mobs are, a resource, then kill the people that keep taking your resources. Afterall, the game is built around territory control; that doesn't have to pertain to only the large scale. However, you'll quickly find that trying to lay claim to a given area alone a daunting task.
What you really mean is that whoever hits it first should be the only person able to loot, and that would be silly.
It's a pvp game. You facility pvp by providing a reason to engage in it. One way to do that is with open looting. If someone keeps taking what I percieve to be my loot I can kill them for it.
Instead what is needed is a system to tag thieves in some fashion. You shouldn't be able to kill a thief without penalty though, kiiling him is still murder. But maybe something that alters the players name in a way that others can see that they are thieves. It could be akin to making them wear a sign everywhere they go. Public embarasment was a popular form of punishment once upon a time.
They have nerfed the Goblin Shaman??? Nooo! I was so scared of those. I would rather meet two mounted Alfars (im human) then some goblins with a Shaman leading them.
this exact thing happened to me a few days ago. roaming around the middle of the map i came across a grave in the middle of nowhere with mixed plate/banded, couple of rank 80 weaps and a nice selection of reagents. i can only guess he got pwned by the red dragon that roams there. i was naked at the time too, yeah baby!
@OP: if PVP is what you want, run over to an opposing faction's side and bind at a chaos stone there. learn where a couple of wilderness banks are and go hunting. it's fun.
Your story only proves (once more) how amateur this company really is. They way they set up the game, stuff like killing blow credit, it's just plain retard and encourage kill stealing.
It is silly to see people talk about ( how hardcore ) darkfall online is when the PvP takes no skill. DF fanbots keep bringing up WoW in a bad way when WoW's PvP is far more advanced than anything DF has to offer. The only thing DF fanbots have to hold on to is full loot, they use it each time when they make excuses for their fail of a game. The DF fanbots keep telling people they are owned when its them who keep paying Tasos to use them as human toilet paper time and time again. What man lets another man walk all over them?
It is good to see more people quiting DF as it is worse than any free to play item mall grinder. Tasos is a BS artist who released trash to a bunch of foul mouthed adults who have no PvP skills and have nothing but full loot. I think DF will either go belly up or be sold to the asian market to be released as a free to play.
haha this totally reminds me of my experience when I first started playing the game. although I eventually caught on and became the ninjalooter myself (hell, everyone's doing it right?!?!?!).
My problem with the game, besides all the missing features and false advertisement, outdated graphics (although they aren't too too bad), poor city building mechanics, lack of player housing, disconnects during sieges, and other bugs they haven't fixed or continue to add via patches, would have to be the macroing... and exploiting for that matter. It's really absurd that you should basically be expected to macro to keep up. I mean, c'mon AV what's that? And don't tell me to just play the game I mean you people have said it's a competitive do or die world yourselves... and if you don't macro you won't be competitive. Talk about a bunch of Hypocrites.
Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
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Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
Stop ignoring the real issues. Refer to my post above yours.
Haha great review and very true. It`s ok to tell players in the forums what to expect when they enter Darkfall, because then we wont have to listen to the endless complaints of the gameplay. We might be weird to some of you pve players, but this is what some of us like. Little or no rules.
I had the same experience and I took me a few minutes to adapt from my PVE way of playing mmo`s. I`m still at the goblin spawns and I like it. I use them to get loot/skillgain and it feels like a minigame inside Darkfall. I don`t deliberately steel others loot, but will loot anything not claimed after a little time.
I have to admitt I have gotten that mean UO feeling again, and it doesn`t bother me to feel that way when most of the others are asshats too. If someone are going for the same mob as I do, I deliberately try to get him flagged or unsheet my weapon to be able to loot faster if he kills it.
Some say players with G15 keyboards can make a macro that loots faster, so I think I have to buy one of those.
I think of Darkfall as a paid beta atm, but I`m having fun so it doesn`t bother me.
Haha great review and very true. It`s ok to tell players in the forums what to expect when they enter Darkfall, because then we wont have to listen to the endless complaints of the gameplay. We might be weird to some of you pve players, but this is what some of us like. Little or no rules.
I had the same experience and I took me a few minutes to adapt from my PVE way of playing mmo`s. I`m still at the goblin spawns and I like it. I use them to get loot/skillgain and it feels like a minigame inside Darkfall. I don`t deliberately steel others loot, but will loot anything not claimed after a little time.
I have to admitt I have gotten that mean UO feeling again, and it doesn`t bother me to feel that way when most of the others are asshats too. If someone are going for the same mob as I do, I deliberately try to get him flagged or unsheet my weapon to be able to loot faster if he kills it.
Some say players with G15 keyboards can make a macro that loots faster, so I think I have to buy one of those.
I rest my case
I think of Darkfall as a paid beta atm, but I`m having fun so it doesn`t bother me.
Thanks for proving me right about the macroing. They might as well including a G15 macro keyboard when you buy the game.
Darkfall sounds similiar to prison, you must join a gang (guild) to survive!
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For all the l2p commenters, learn to read. He isn't complaining about the challenges it is the macros and all the other cheat utilities out there for this game. There is NO level playing field unless you cheat too.
The game is the laughing stock of the year. The client is so poorly written it will go down in the annuls of MMO games of how not to write a client. After listening to Tasos constantly spiel nonsense what did you expect.
Aventurine is a bunch of rookie developers trying their best to compete in a marketplace where the players are far more sophisticated then they are.
As to the OP, if you read anything about this game, you had to know that macros and other cheat programs were common in this game. Seems obvious to me you did not bother to either read up on the game or just ignored what others were saying. So complaining about something that is pretty common fact is rather needless.
If you are having fun in Darkfall, have at it. Some of my friends play and enjoy it. Me I want at least a level playing field. Old UO, even without the siege ability, still had it all over Darkfall.
Good, solid, honest review.
This is the game the L337 PVPers wanted - will there be enough of them to sustain it once they've run off the casual and ordinary gamers, I wonder?
Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
Thanks for the suggestion. But I see it a little differently. The "tutorial" quests are what I was doing. These quests are put in the game to help a n00b learn the ropes of how thing work, and give a little guidance as to where to go and what to do.
I can't honestly believe that it's expected for every single new person that comes to Darkfall to just completely ignore the quests (tutorial), and just go apeshit crazy on anything and everything he sees from the getgo.
Now, if said person had a pre-determined clan or friendship group setup, then I could perhaps see it. But again, this is now back to what I was saying about having to be in a clan or group to accomplish anything, and in your case, just to simply learn the game.
Just an update however. I did take someone's advice and created an elf. Actually, to my surprise, the people in the goblin area have been cool so far. Only a fraction of the ninjalooting going on as was previously. I've actually be able to progress a little. But we'll see how long it take for me to get skilled up enough to leave the goblins and try tackling something else. It's just insane to think you might have to spend days killing the very first mobs in the game, before you can move onto the next.
You based your DF experience on what you did as a newbie?
Games like this are not really quest based and the learning curve is high (basically like old UO). I didn't think much of the game during this time period either, but I knew it'd get better after I managed to figure out enough stuff to move on from it. It only took me a day or two to get beyond the goblin killing thing, which btw, sounds like you had a harder time of it than I did.
If you don't like the game, that's fine, but to come to this conclusion after never making it past the newbie stage of the game doesn't really give your criticism much clout.
I understand what you're saying, however, first impressions are really important. I went into the game determined to learn it, and have fun. Hell, I'm STILL trying to lol. But the experience so far (first impression) isn't very good. It is better than alot of game though. I mean, when playing this game, or even thinking about, you really want to just get past these hardship parts. But wanting it and doing it are 2 different things. Having your hand held by a guild, or macroing is one way. I've been trying to do it another way, and my experience has been lackluster.
Riiiiiiight, like thats a good way to determine the person who get loot rights. So imagine you're just the melee type who doesnt like using bows and magic. Well, you should already know who gets the loot rights.
I know there's not a single loot system out there that works well for solo'ers/gankers. The only way I could see it work is, ALL LOOT from the monster gets randomized to whoever does damage to it. Usually there would be more people than loot on a corpse, so just randomize the items to any of them. Some people may get loot, some wont, but then it can change the next time around when the next mob dies. But then again, there's always going to be a flaw somewhere and people will just have something else to say. Like I said no loot system is perfect, but if you think that people who does first hit gets loot rights, then I'm just going to keep my distance (but stay close enough to make sure I get first hit) and shoot arrows or throw magic.
Edit: Randomized loot is/should not be autolooted, it will display what you get when you look at the corpse's belongings. So all you have to do is check and see if there are any loots on the corpse for you. Also this just reminds me of UO's loot system. When you kill a monster or some sort and there are other players doing damage, the money/regeants are split EQUALLY amongst all players, HOWEVER weapons and armor doesnt apply. So the loot system that I thought would work is kinda similar to UO's.
Mirdain area is the most dangerous (prone to raids from Alfar to the South and Mahirim from the north) Bank often.
Also try and find a clan, In all my DF career I have seen only one person soloing it (an alfar named Robin Hood) and acctualy progressing. Even he is helped by the fact that he is our clan's pet Alfar and although he is not allied or in the clan we protect him somewhat.
Kill stealing, I like it, try and take advantage of it if possible. Make friends, lots of em
I understand what you're saying, however, first impressions are really important. I went into the game determined to learn it, and have fun. Hell, I'm STILL trying to lol. But the experience so far (first impression) isn't very good. It is better than alot of game though. I mean, when playing this game, or even thinking about, you really want to just get past these hardship parts. But wanting it and doing it are 2 different things. Having your hand held by a guild, or macroing is one way. I've been trying to do it another way, and my experience has been lackluster.
I agree that the first impressions are bad. it's one of the things I think DF needs to fix. I'm glad they put in the "first hit is only 10 seconds grey" thing because that was a real pain. People called me a carebear, but the real reason I wanted it was so the game won't have such a horrible first impression.
I don't find the game that fun solo, personally. Although, some may. But I hear what you mean about not wanting your hand held by a clan. Maybe you should consider joining a small, local clan with only like 20 people. They most likely won't hold your hand, but they will show you the ropes a bit.
Agree. Not flaming OP by any means, but this is a completely different kind of game. If your priority is doing a kill quests that gives rewards that can be looted anyways, you need to think a bit differently. It's a group oriented game, you should reprioritize from doing quests, which almost nobody does in this game, to finding friends and a guild and relocating to where they live.
Sorry the game was not for you, but I have seen a lot people who play this game the same way they would an AoC, WAR, or WoW and give up. Finding friends or a guild, and getting out of the starter city needs to be your first issue of business.
Thanks for the suggestion. But I see it a little differently. The "tutorial" quests are what I was doing. These quests are put in the game to help a n00b learn the ropes of how thing work, and give a little guidance as to where to go and what to do.
I can't honestly believe that it's expected for every single new person that comes to Darkfall to just completely ignore the quests (tutorial), and just go apeshit crazy on anything and everything he sees from the getgo.
Now, if said person had a pre-determined clan or friendship group setup, then I could perhaps see it. But again, this is now back to what I was saying about having to be in a clan or group to accomplish anything, and in your case, just to simply learn the game.
Just an update however. I did take someone's advice and created an elf. Actually, to my surprise, the people in the goblin area have been cool so far. Only a fraction of the ninjalooting going on as was previously. I've actually be able to progress a little. But we'll see how long it take for me to get skilled up enough to leave the goblins and try tackling something else. It's just insane to think you might have to spend days killing the very first mobs in the game, before you can move onto the next.
Get a ranged weapon as well, either bow or magic staff.
With the magic staff (100g at the starting quest giver) you can fire missiles for free. Bow you need arrows.
With ranged you can easily kill also stronger mobs, even with a newbie char.
Damn the OP was a pure pve'er or something. You realize you dont have to do those quests? Those quests are just for scrubs that have no idea what they are doing. Plus since game just launched, of course you will see a mad dash for loot drops because everything is crazy overpopulated with old UO/AC1 vets etc
Why is it I went to goblin camps and didnt have much issue? Sure I ran into a bunch of foos like you did but I merely went and found a less popular camp
And what the hell were you thinking rerolling to MahRIM?!!!! Those are the most evil pks ever there. That was a crazy decisions. Just an ounce of research would have saved u much hassle
And I could solo the goblin shaman + 2 other goblins just fine on my newbie.
The sad thing is in order to get a good experience 1st impression you are forced to go with x or y race. This is what the fanboys suggest.
why i ask. ? why does the op have to be a dwarf when he wanted to be a human for example, but because all who play humans are whole asses and ninjas your better off being a whatever other race in order to get a good experience at x game.
This shows how putrid the community is. sad to see that the fanboys themselves have to suggest races to avoid the bad asshats.
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