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Damn you SOE, just when I thought I couldn't hate you anymore!@!

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  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945
    Originally posted by spikers14


    Hate all you want, my family has been waiting for this type of sub setup in a game of reasonable quality. In my house 4 of us play together on various online/lan games. If we can play together in a kid-safe environment for $10 (plus cash shop items), they've got customers here.
    Not only that, but some other subs like Toontown and Clubpenguin will go bye-bye.
    Hugs SOE for providing a flexible family sub model..
    -- Happy Daddy

     

    Cartoon network has a 3d web-browser game called fusionfall that is very kid friendly, very well put together and offers a family plan.  For $10 (I think) you get four accounts so your whole family can play.  I don't think the game has cash shop nonsense or loot cards to worry about your kids pestering you for.  I play it with my son when he is in the mood.

     

    I think disneys pirates game also has something similar, but don't take my word for it as I know little about the game.

     

     

  • ServaseServase Member Posts: 180
    Originally posted by beauturkey

    Originally posted by alakram

     

    Muhahahahaha! They are too greedy to let the people play for free. Someone in their Offices said: What? People will be able to play for free?, Damn no, at least set a cheap monthly sub!, we have monthly subs and item mall in a lot of other online games and they work.

     

     But see here's the deal, your smarmy comment holds no water. Why?

     It IS free. Do you not get it?

     You can play for free, forever. You can achieve great things and have a very fulfilling life as a player. You will finally feel as though you are complete, all because of a video game.

     Or, if not, you can pay a measly 5 bucks a month and get optional content.

     Do you consider an expansion to be "optional content?" I'm sure you do. But yet, you have to buy that expansion. Does that mean that Blizzard are being a bunch of greedy jerks by charging you for that expansion? Maybe LotRo needs to re-name themselves "A game in which you have to pay for ADDITIONAL CONTENT."

     Free Realms is free. Adding on some optional (note that word again) content does not suddenly take away it's free title. No one is forcing you to pay the money.

     

     Beau

     

     

    Ya after doing further reading into the game I can see your point. I thought it was basically like Runescapes hybrid premium setup. I can see how SOE made it a bit different to aid those who want to go F2P.

    In Runescape, you can NOT have a fulfilling life as a player. You are very limited to what you can do. There's only so much land you can explore, so many skills you can learn etc. All the best fishing spots are in the member section. You are essentially forced to sub in Runescape if you put anymore than 2months into your character. You can easily max out everything in the free aspect of the game in a month, spend another month doing the same stuff until you inevitably quit or get the membership.

    But Free Realms is actually quite different. There's going to be a lot of member only sections, obviously. There are 5 member only jobs, there will be things in the other 10 jobs that u can not do as a free player. Like you can't do all the cooking as a free player, you will need to subscribe. You will not be able to go to all sections of the land/game

    However, you can still have fun with the mini-games, so that in itself makes it a less forceful membership sign up. Basically, in Free Realms they have more for the free player to do that doesn't require them to sign up. Although, it's pretty much obvious that SOE's goal is to have everyone sign up and that will reflect on future content updates that are for members only. So if you get into the game you will end up subbing or you will quit. Games like this are always restricted on what you can do and you will always wish you could do those things that you can't do. simply because you can't do them. So to say it's free, yes. But many will sub, but that's not the point, it is still free. Even if you do end up becoming a member because of all the goodies as a premium.

    I never looked into the game when I first saw Free Realms. I just automatically assumed it was going to be "Free" since it was in the title. I later read an article and got to the part where it said F2P and was like sweet. Never read anything about the premium which is why I had no idea until today. It does make sense that the free means Freedom since you can do anything you want in the game. I think SOE did this to create the illusion that it's completely free so that younger people sign up, enjoy the game and when smacked the stick that tells them they must be a premium member to continue they will cry and then sign up.

     

    I'm tell ya, SOE are crafty little buggers. Can't lie when I saw SOE is smart, in a business sense.

     

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  • SigneSigne Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,524

    It's very cute and the mini-games are fun and diverting.  Still, I couldn't use this sort of game, or Wizard101, for my main MMO.  If I had childrren, I could see subscribing to it for some family entertainment.  For me personally, I would need a wee bit more story and polish.  I enjoy mini-games from time to time, but not enough to pay for them.  There are a ton of free browser games popping up constantly that can fill that once in a while craving, I think.  The number of ways SOE is trying to make money off  of this game, however, is a riot.  It's a company trying to make a profit, though, so we shouldn't be surprised to see greed oozing from every pore. 

  • DeeweDeewe Member UncommonPosts: 1,980

    For kids there is a game with fun game play and a compagny that has an ethical behavior

    I have nieces and nephew that played it for months, even years, without even paying a dime.

    Now the kids are older some of them upgraded to the monthly fee subscription.

    Name: Dofus.

  • Dionysus187Dionysus187 Member Posts: 302

    For some reason I get the impression that people are waiting for some MMO that has no ads, subscription, microtransactions or premium system. If you think thats going to happen please hold your breath, because it will lead to your death.

    They definitely gave the impression it would be F2P. Just because some random portion of it is free to access doesn't mean its free to play though. By that technical distinction any mmo that offers a free trial is 'free to play.' Only games I would call free to play at this point would be one that makes its revenue purely by microtransactions, and has no premium system.

    FYI Hellgate did haev a premium system.

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  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    Every business needs to have a revenue model.  There really isn't such a thing as free to play games, because funding has to come from somewhere.  Advertising supported gameplay is about the closest any game I can think of that offers real free gameplay.

     

    Most everything else is just using a partial free content model to eliminate the entry barrier to get more people to try it.  No need to run out and drop $50 on the game and even if you unsubscribe, you can still log in and play the free portion anything.  That is part of the soe velvet rope model.   I recall reading somewhere that soe didn't like how subscriptions worked, because every month it forced people to make a choice of staying a customer or not. 

     

     

  • socrates656socrates656 Member Posts: 142

    Beau you are awesome. Finally someone who has brains and common sence on these forums. <333 *huggys

    anywho the game IS FREE but like Beau said you only pay money if you want extra and 5$ a month isnt like a life savings is it? if it is i suggest you get a job, but if you're like a kid or somthing get you're mummy to get one for you. So quit whinin ^_^

  • miagisanmiagisan Member Posts: 5,156

    hasn't this pricing model been made long ago?

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  • AbrahmmAbrahmm Member Posts: 2,448

    Did anyone not see something like this coming? Why would SOE settler for anything less than trying to milk the most money out of their customers?

    Honestly, this is a pretty bad(not surprised either) business move if you ask me. There main audience is kids. If they were smart they would make it completely free to play, to rope the kids in, and a full item shop, to milk them dry. Apparently they think they can milk some sub money on top of that, but I think the sub will limit the number of kids they rope in.

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  • spikers14spikers14 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    Originally posted by socrates656


    Beau you are awesome. Finally someone who has brains and common sence on these forums. <333 *huggys
    anywho the game IS FREE but like Beau said you only pay money if you want extra and 5$ a month isnt like a life savings is it? if it is i suggest you get a job, but if you're like a kid or somthing get you're mummy to get one for you. So quit whinin ^_^



     

    Its not always about the money. $5 is no big deal. There are 4 (or 5) that MIGHT play in my house.

    If accounts can be linked it might be ok. I dont want to manage 4 logins, 4 accounts, and 4 CC transactions for cash shop items. I want to be able to set parental controls from ONE ACCOUNT for my kids. I want to be able to give them allowances for cash shop purchases (my kids love to shop, they dont care about monthly fees). There are a few other options as well that appeal to folks with families. They were biling this game as a family game, but I guess we will see, wont we?

    I dont want a free game, I want an easy to manage and fun to play family game.

  • Ginfress02Ginfress02 Member Posts: 45
    Originally posted by Deewe


    For kids there is a game with fun game play and a compagny that has an ethical behavior
    I have nieces and nephew that played it for months, even years, without even paying a dime.
    Now the kids are older some of them upgraded to the monthly fee subscription.
    Name: Dofus.

     

    Rofl...SoE and ethical behavior......

  • purewitzpurewitz Member UncommonPosts: 489
    Originally posted by John.A.Zoid


    I thought it was their free to play game? Hense the name, FREE Realms.
     
    Pretty stupid idea to charge a sub for that.

     

    It is free to play. Some of it is free and if you want more you pay 5 bucks. It sounds like their gonna do the same thing that Disney did to Pirates of the Caribbean Online.

    When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there!

  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112

    People always want something for nothing. "OMG!! It's called Free Realms !!..shame on them for calling it that when it's not even 100% free!!"

     

    You get a free client and free content. infact you get ALOT of free content. People must seriously be on crack if they think a 100% free game including a free client of this type of game can be sustained. Shadowbane clearly showed it couldn't be sustained..The game is closing down permanently. Hellgate London did not have a free client + you had to pay to play past Sydonai. Any of the other titles mentioned also has a price tag on both the game and expansions. Did i mention Hellgate London is dead and gone too? Unless you wish to play the Korean version. Besides all this, this is not even mentioning how cheap the monthly sub is. Wizard 101 is a similar type of game with 20% of the content this game has and cost $10 for a premium sub.

     

    You can download and log in and play for free until the game one day cease to exist. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?. I mean i get the hate against SoE what they did to your beloved SWG but to try and bash SoE for Free Realms is a bit toolish. I could understand the bashing if the game has very little things to offer outside a premium sub but that is far from the case. I bet most of the bashers here haven't even logged in and tried the game yet. 100% basing their arguements on the printed pricing model on a website and past experiences. That's fine and dandy but atleast have some ingame knowledge about what Free Realms has to offer before your clear ignorance steps in and speaks for you

     

    But i guess games such as Wizard101 and tons others doing the exact same things you hate SoE for doesn't warrent a bash. After all they didn't ruin your beloved SWG

  • TadamitsuTadamitsu Member Posts: 118

    how can you be suprised with anything SOE does??

    Trick me once shame on you.

    trick me twice shame on me.

     

    prior behaviour is an indication of future behaviour.

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  • rznkainrznkain Member Posts: 539

     All this whining over a CHANCE to pay 5 bucks for more content boo hoo.ALOT of it is exactly what it says free.No where did SOE EVER say durin dev everything was gonna be free now did they? If all you ppl have to do is piss and moan about 5 bucks then you seriously need to get a job till you can afford to play a  mmog.

     

    In fact from the progress report in early feb So all of you whiners now cryin about this maybe should have kept up with it and paid more attention durin when it was being devoloped

     

    This is Free Realms. Free to download and play and supported by ad-revenue, a subscription of $4.99 a month to remove ads and open up 40% more options, $9.99 for a family subscription and micro-transactions for “fluff” items.

  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112
    Originally posted by rznkain


     All this whining over a CHANCE to pay 5 bucks for more content boo hoo.ALOT of it is exactly what it says free.No where did SOE EVER say durin dev everything was gonna be free now did they? If all you ppl have to do is piss and moan about 5 bucks then you seriously need to get a job till you can afford to play a  mmog.
     
    In fact from the progress report in early feb So all of you whiners now cryin about this maybe should have kept up with it and paid more attention durin when it was being devoloped
     
    This is Free Realms. Free to download and play and supported by ad-revenue, a subscription of $4.99 a month to remove ads and open up 40% more options, $9.99 for a family subscription and micro-transactions for “fluff” items.

     

    The thing is it really has nothing to do with Free Realms but everything to do with hating big bad SoE because it's the l33t thing to do on these parts. it doesn't really matter what game is being discussed as long as it has a SoE tag on. This is why most of us sane people wonder why they are critizising a game they probably haven't even tried. Seen in that context it makes more sense.

  • rznkainrznkain Member Posts: 539

     Yup and I don't get the SOE hate never have.I have never had a issue with any SOE game I have played ever or a problem with customer service.I think alot of its bitter rejects from SWG who cannot stop cryin that they changed SWG in a attempt to bring in more customers.I can understand them being upset when it happened but shut up about it already it's been years now they aren't gonna bring back your precious pre NGE.

  • eccotoneccoton Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Originally posted by Ginfress02

    Originally posted by Deewe


    For kids there is a game with fun game play and a compagny that has an ethical behavior
    I have nieces and nephew that played it for months, even years, without even paying a dime.
    Now the kids are older some of them upgraded to the monthly fee subscription.
    Name: Dofus.

     

    Rofl...SoE and ethical behavior......



     

    SOE and SONY are an ethical company. I have never seen any unethical behavior. SOE changes some games without consulting all it's players, so what. They added item malls to some games after saying they weren't, so what. They ruined SWG with NGE and paid a huge price for it, so what. How is any of that unethical? I have been a customer of SONY for over 3 decades. While I was unhappy with SWG-nge I have never seen any unethical behavior as so many whiney SOE "hater" love to claim when they attack anything SOE does.

    Free Realms is a fantastic game. It is named Free Realms not because it is totally free. SOE never said it was totally free. It is Free Realms because it is a "sandbox" game where you are free to do anything you want. They made a great game that is very affordable or free if you choose. They made a game that will be fun and safe for kids. So how is that unethical. Why do these anti SOE people have to come to every  thread regarding SOE and spew this same old crap? They might just try moving on and focus on the companies that are ethical in there minds. Stop trying to save us from the evil SOE and try reality. Your SOE conspiracy stuff carries no weight with the millions of satisfied SOE/SONY customers and Free Realms will have millions of players.

  • eccotoneccoton Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    Originally posted by spikers14


    Hate all you want, my family has been waiting for this type of sub setup in a game of reasonable quality. In my house 4 of us play together on various online/lan games. If we can play together in a kid-safe environment for $10 (plus cash shop items), they've got customers here.
    Not only that, but some other subs like Toontown and Clubpenguin will go bye-bye.
    Hugs SOE for providing a flexible family sub model..
    -- Happy Daddy



     

    There will be many more "Happy Parents" Free Realms is offering a quality product with a variety of affordable pay options. This notion mmos should be free is ridiculous. From my experience with Free Realms so far, is it has cost SOE 10s millions to produce. This is a quality product. Why exactly should they be giving it away? I am glad companies are moving to other pay options then just flat monthly fees. I like being able to buy the content or items I want.

    What we have is two type of people against this. First the SOE haters that we are tired of and their same old evil SOE crap. They will attack anything SOE does. If SOE gave a game away totally for free with no subscription or item mall, these people would still bitch about SOE's greed. Second, the people who are stuck in the old subscription mode. I for one am happy SOE is trying new payment options. Eventually the market place with drive the success of this direction. I do think American gamers are ready and will see the value in new ways to pay for their online entertainment.

  • sigamonsigamon Member Posts: 230
    Originally posted by Daffid011


    As I understand it freerealms will have several avenues of payment models.

    There is a portion of the game that is entirely free.  Limited content, classes, etc (no idea about levels)
    There will be a subscription portion of the game that allows access to the full game.
    There will be a cash shop for purchasing items, potions, etc.
    There will be a virtual card game and I suspect it too will have loot cards.
    There will be a real world card game, that again I suspect will have in game loot items. (I've only heard a small snippit about this from a dev interview)
    It was mentioned some time ago that the game will also have advertising based revenue, but no details about that have been announced so it may be in or out.
    I have not heard any details about if/how player to player RMT sales will be in game or not (via livegamer), but the trend in SOE games suggests that it will at some point.  NOTE:  Speculation, personal opinion.  

    At the end of the day this game has more money grabs than any game currently on the market that I can think of. 
     
    I suspect this will be just another soe game that has its developement roots based on revenue models first and not gameplay.



     

    LOL what a pos game. god damn soe sucks. bring back verant and big bad brad

  • eccotoneccoton Member UncommonPosts: 1,340

    I do think it is funny so many posting here about Free Realms have not even played it yet. The SOE haters think they are so right about their crusade against SOE that they will comment and judge a product even with no idea about what they are talking about. I love this idea the the evil SOE is now roping in kids. Now the evil Smedley wants to corrupt your kids, when will this monster die. Hogwash! I have been playing Free Realms this weekend and it is a fantastic game that will be a success for players of all ages. The SOE haters are mad because they will have zero impact on this game.

  • sigamonsigamon Member Posts: 230
    Originally posted by eccoton


    I do think it is funny so many posting here about Free Realms have not even played it yet. The SOE haters think they are so right about their crusade against SOE that they will comment and judge a product even with no idea about what they are talking about. I love this idea the the evil SOE is now roping in kids. Now the evil Smedley wants to corrupt your kids, when will this monster die. Hogwash! I have been playing Free Realms this weekend and it is a fantastic game that will be a success for players of all ages. The SOE haters are mad because they will have zero impact on this game.



     

    OMFG! Eccoton is Smedley!!! QUICK! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

  • wartywarty Member Posts: 461

    I'm sorry, are you upset that a for profit company, doesnt want to give something away entirely free? Thats the gist of what I got from your OP and subsequent, practically spam like replies straight after.

    You get enough free content if it appauls you that much. Get in the game first and you will see. The familly account is great - I wish my little girl was old enough to play games, because the impression I get is a lot of this game is based around teaching people to use a PC. This IMO is the biggest and best 'free' part, a targetted PC education for youngsters, who lets face it, will NEED great IT skills. The fact that I can play with her in an environment for her, is just great. And it isnt the standard boring typing games that dont interest children.

    Thats speaking as a dad. If you dont have children this game probably isnt for you regardless of F2P/P2P/PartF2P

    Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!

  • FumblesFumbles Member Posts: 88

    This game's competition are games like Pirates of the Caribbean, Wizard 101 and Fusionfall. If you compare the pricing you will see it is comparable if not better then it's competition for premium prices. They do offer a Card game and Station Cash but these are purly optional just like they are in other SOE games.

  • tharkthark Member UncommonPosts: 1,188

    Seem's that this game is going to be great...

    Can't see why people believe thay actually would get a game completly free !!

    Look around on half the banners on this site..Half of these MMO's CLAIM to be FREE or Play for FREE etc etc...

    A portion of the game is FREE thou..A large portion

    Toontown Online, Pirates of the Caribean. Wizard101 all games that use identical systems..

    And a gazzilion of Corean grinders..

    /junker

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