The pve in eve is soul crushingly boring. As for pvp. I could just as easily make paper airplanes and throw them at my brother. About the same tatics involved, AND .. i'd have a big stack of paper when im done. Which is more then can be said about eve pvp.
See what happens when you walk into a room assuming you are the smartest one in it? You just embarrass yourself. Lacking the ability to support your statements by engaging in actual debate you end up in a corner with a dunce hat on your head spouting nonsense and getting blocked.
The pve in eve is soul crushingly boring. As for pvp. I could just as easily make paper airplanes and throw them at my brother. About the same tatics involved, AND .. i'd have a big stack of paper when im done. Which is more then can be said about eve pvp.
Predatory skils .. lol. Thats called ganking kid. I lean a bit more towards honorable combat.
The pve in eve is soul crushingly boring. As for pvp. I could just as easily make paper airplanes and throw them at my brother. About the same tatics involved, AND .. i'd have a big stack of paper when im done. Which is more then can be said about eve pvp.
Predatory skils .. lol. Thats called ganking kid. I lean a bit more towards honorable combat.
i honestly dont get it, you say the pve is soul destroyingly boring, but earlier you claimed that you have run lvl 4 missions for long enough to accrue 300 BILLION isk, thats enough for 3 titans. you admit that you dont pvp, but profess to know all the tactics and skillsets needed. hell, i FC and dont know everything, i can just about keep my gang alive.
predatory skills, yes, vital. do you know how to use the scanner? its essential in pvp.
if you lean towards honourable combat, pick a ship and meet me in rens, ill "duel" you, lets see those tactics you know so well.
This coming from a room full of people, that don't know what a falcon alt is. Heres a hint. I sit in lowsec waiting in a battleship. You engage me. My alt decloaks and jams you. You die.
we all know what a falcon alt is. you're the one talking about how much you hate pvp and how there are no tactics and how you dont do it but know everything about it.
anyhow, you cant do that anymore, sentries will melt your falcon.
This coming from a room full of people, that don't know what a falcon alt is. Heres a hint. I sit in lowsec waiting in a battleship. You engage me. My alt decloaks and jams you. You die. Most likely, I wouldn't even bother to loot. Because I could easily buy 100 of whatever you happen to be flying. This is not the style of pvp im looking for. And it is typical of eve pvp.
1st off
I told you i am not a falcon pilot, just because you chose an easy I win button makes you god lol....
2nd
uh huh.......at this point your credibility just wen down the drain, and i will gladly take you up on this offer, i'll be in my inty, frigate or assault frigate, we shall see how well your mighty BS stands up, when it cant hit jack.
which will do you tons of good, when I have you jammed, and my drone eat you.
at 3800m/s...i can outrun drones, missiles, etc....fit 2 autocannons on and your drones are fodder, then i can spin merrily around your ship laughing and chipping away while you waste your cap on your falcon.....cheerio!
Atm. Rook. max skills. And lets go someplace a little quieter. A major trade hub is not the place for a duel.
So now you are preparing for 'honorable' solo pvp? Wait, did you not just say there is none of this in Eve? Maybe you are finally realizing that Eve is what you make it. Next time ask a corp mate, or even better make a corp dedicated to solo pvp tournaments.
All I ask from the people who come here to say that the game is not for them is to understand that they did not explore the game fully (being a sandbox you can never have done everything) and that when any criticism that is used to call the game crap is based on a small sector of the game and an unwillingness to accept that there are other ways to play it is simply not constructive.
That's the entire issue... from both sides of this same discussion for every game.
The game is not for "them". Normally this is presented as some universal facts rather than a personal opinion.
However, telling someone who doesn't like something they didn't try it long enough is.. the same thing.
Either someone likes something or they don't. We just need to move to a place where people post things as their opinion rather than universal fact. And... where people accept other peoples opinion (for being their point of view) rather than taking it as some insult etc etc
If someone likes a game I play it doesn't make that game any better for me.
If I enjoy a game and someone else does not... it doesn't make the game unenjoyable for me. Then again if we took things this way.. the forums would be a lot less active.
Wont help you. I'll have you webbed before you even know im there. And the ship in question is a Rook. Not a falcon.
web all you like...wont bother me....unlessy ou are going to tell me next "well i'll come with a disruptor"....well then i'll use my AB.....we can do this all day
Why? Because you will have your falcon alt nearby?
and here the poster was complaining that they are looking for honorable ways to pvp, but is at the same time being "dishonorable" according to their standards...this is just getting funny now
well i'll come "honorable" and come alone.....doesn't bother me any....T1 or T2 ship....your choice hell i'll come in a destroyer if it makes you happy lol.....
Why? Because you will have your falcon alt nearby?
and here the poster was complaining that they are looking for honorable ways to pvp, but is at the same time being "dishonorable" according to their standards...this is just getting funny now
that's quite ironic, and hypocritical.
oh well...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
My take on the game so far is it is a grinding game, you need to grind out ISK which becomes easy to make two weeks into the game. So much to do? Not for the new player, it takes months if not years to actually get into the game. Until that time your stuck running mining runs, mission runs. Or exploring for loot to salvage or hack. For the beginning player the game is working against you. I tried to RP a crafter and found out that the resources I mined to make shuttles costs more or can be sold for more than the shuttles <=== absolutley retarded crafting system and ingame economy. EVE skill system benifits the old player in more than combat, it completly stomps out the new player crafter. It is completely pointless for a new player to make anything for profit because it is impossible to make a profit, the cost will always out run the profit until you train for years to actually gain an advantage to the games economy.
I keep hearing the game is complex, no its not, it has 3 areas PVP, PVE, and Crafting. Each area of the game is broken down into many differnt skills meant to slow you down by making you train for a high level skill so you can train another skill for days, months, lol even years. CCP's game design is meant to keep you paying for years. If CCP actually wants this game to sell and appeal to more people than the nitch group it already has it needs to make sweeping changes to game mechanics.
I do like the skill system they have, but the time it takes to earn the skill needs to be either dramatically shortened or it needs to be changed from time granting to a XP granting skill system. If the skill system isnt changed the game will continue to be just a greifers paradise for the Vets, they will always have an advantage to stomp on new players either in combat or with the games economy.
EVE in its current form is a greifers paradise made by its skill system and Vets, Ill take that advice I keep hearing from this community; "go back to your old mmo". Not because this game isnt fun, no because it is designed to make me pay for a year to even have any fun.
I played EvE, it was okay, I love the open feel of the game. I love how I got to pick what I wanted to do but what I disliked was not being able to fly my ship.
That is the reason I no longer play eve, I felt like I was watching my ship instead of flying my ship. EvE with manual controls would be great and I will still be playing. Again EvE is a niche game and it is not for everyone including myself.
I think EvE is a great game and a great concept for new MMOs to follow but I need to have control of the moment of my charater. (EvE your ship is your charater)
Why? Because you will have your falcon alt nearby?
and here the poster was complaining that they are looking for honorable ways to pvp, but is at the same time being "dishonorable" according to their standards...this is just getting funny now
that's quite ironic, and hypocritical.
oh well...
Well, I guess the first clue was that he chose to complain about the PVP.
Not that the game doesn't have things to complain about. I often complain about the way the slots on all the ships are fixed. I think it would be really neat if some ships (cruiser, BC and BS class) had a slot that could be switched between high, med, and low. I think this would add allot to PVP and the game.
i often get accused of flaming people, so im going to be as polite as i can.
if you are finding that the minerals that you mine to make a shuttle are worth more than the shuttle, why not just sell the minerals? a good place for newbie crafters to start is by making ammo in mission hubs, a few buy orders for the more common rat loot that you then reprocess, or even just a buy order for minerals will keep you with a nice stockpile which you can quickly turn into the ammo that the mission runners need.
having the ecconomy described as shallow is very odd to me, as eve has its own ecconomist, market trends and has been the subject of a great deal of research.
for a new player, yes, it can be a bit overwhelming and the "can't compete" myth is a commonly repeated one. you need to remember that all the current veterans were new once, we faced exactly the same challenge (average lifespan of an eve character is 17 months) but we overcame it and are now the "invincible vets". incidently if you ever fight me in pvp, you'll notice that i am infact anything but invincible.
oh, and i was planning a neutron blaster rokh with eccm.
I played EvE, it was okay, I love the open feel of the game. I love how I got to pick what I wanted to do but what I disliked was not being able to fly my ship. That is the reason I no longer play eve, I felt like I was watching my ship instead of flying my ship. EvE with manual controls would be great and I will still be playing. Again EvE is a niche game and it is not for everyone including myself. I think EvE is a great game and a great concept for new MMOs to follow but I need to have control of the moment of my charater. (EvE your ship is your charater)
double click in space -> ship flies in that direction.
joystick flight just wouldnt work for anything large than frigates, you're the ship captain really. anyhow, can you imagine flying a battleship with a 20 second align time with a joystick?
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See what happens when you walk into a room assuming you are the smartest one in it? You just embarrass yourself. Lacking the ability to support your statements by engaging in actual debate you end up in a corner with a dunce hat on your head spouting nonsense and getting blocked.
This coming from a room full of people, that don't know what a falcon alt is.
Heres a hint. I sit in lowsec waiting in a battleship. You engage me. My alt decloaks and jams you. You die.
Most likely, I wouldn't even bother to loot. Because I could easily buy 100 of whatever you happen to be flying.
This is not the style of pvp im looking for. And it is typical of eve pvp.
Go play SFIV.
i honestly dont get it, you say the pve is soul destroyingly boring, but earlier you claimed that you have run lvl 4 missions for long enough to accrue 300 BILLION isk, thats enough for 3 titans. you admit that you dont pvp, but profess to know all the tactics and skillsets needed. hell, i FC and dont know everything, i can just about keep my gang alive.
predatory skills, yes, vital. do you know how to use the scanner? its essential in pvp.
if you lean towards honourable combat, pick a ship and meet me in rens, ill "duel" you, lets see those tactics you know so well.
we all know what a falcon alt is. you're the one talking about how much you hate pvp and how there are no tactics and how you dont do it but know everything about it.
anyhow, you cant do that anymore, sentries will melt your falcon.
Atm. Rook. max skills. And lets go someplace a little quieter. A major trade hub is not the place for a duel.
1st off
I told you i am not a falcon pilot, just because you chose an easy I win button makes you god lol....
2nd
uh huh.......at this point your credibility just wen down the drain, and i will gladly take you up on this offer, i'll be in my inty, frigate or assault frigate, we shall see how well your mighty BS stands up, when it cant hit jack.
you know what, i'll come too...and i'll bring my executioner out of null sec....
which will do you tons of good, when I have you jammed, and my drone eat you.
at 3800m/s...i can outrun drones, missiles, etc....fit 2 autocannons on and your drones are fodder, then i can spin merrily around your ship laughing and chipping away while you waste your cap on your falcon.....cheerio!
Wont help you. I'll have you webbed before you even know im there.
And the ship in question is a Rook. Not a falcon.
So now you are preparing for 'honorable' solo pvp? Wait, did you not just say there is none of this in Eve? Maybe you are finally realizing that Eve is what you make it. Next time ask a corp mate, or even better make a corp dedicated to solo pvp tournaments.
It is a sandbox game.
It wont be honorable .. or solo. Thats my point.
That's the entire issue... from both sides of this same discussion for every game.
The game is not for "them". Normally this is presented as some universal facts rather than a personal opinion.
However, telling someone who doesn't like something they didn't try it long enough is.. the same thing.
Either someone likes something or they don't. We just need to move to a place where people post things as their opinion rather than universal fact. And... where people accept other peoples opinion (for being their point of view) rather than taking it as some insult etc etc
If someone likes a game I play it doesn't make that game any better for me.
If I enjoy a game and someone else does not... it doesn't make the game unenjoyable for me. Then again if we took things this way.. the forums would be a lot less active.
Why? Because you will have your falcon alt nearby?
web all you like...wont bother me....unlessy ou are going to tell me next "well i'll come with a disruptor"....well then i'll use my AB.....we can do this all day
Why? Because you will have your falcon alt nearby?
and here the poster was complaining that they are looking for honorable ways to pvp, but is at the same time being "dishonorable" according to their standards...this is just getting funny now
Maybe the reason he doesn't find honorable PvP is because he doesn't engage in it himself.
well i'll come "honorable" and come alone.....doesn't bother me any....T1 or T2 ship....your choice
hell i'll come in a destroyer if it makes you happy lol.....
Why? Because you will have your falcon alt nearby?
and here the poster was complaining that they are looking for honorable ways to pvp, but is at the same time being "dishonorable" according to their standards...this is just getting funny now
that's quite ironic, and hypocritical.
oh well...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
My take on the game so far is it is a grinding game, you need to grind out ISK which becomes easy to make two weeks into the game. So much to do? Not for the new player, it takes months if not years to actually get into the game. Until that time your stuck running mining runs, mission runs. Or exploring for loot to salvage or hack. For the beginning player the game is working against you. I tried to RP a crafter and found out that the resources I mined to make shuttles costs more or can be sold for more than the shuttles <=== absolutley retarded crafting system and ingame economy. EVE skill system benifits the old player in more than combat, it completly stomps out the new player crafter. It is completely pointless for a new player to make anything for profit because it is impossible to make a profit, the cost will always out run the profit until you train for years to actually gain an advantage to the games economy.
I keep hearing the game is complex, no its not, it has 3 areas PVP, PVE, and Crafting. Each area of the game is broken down into many differnt skills meant to slow you down by making you train for a high level skill so you can train another skill for days, months, lol even years. CCP's game design is meant to keep you paying for years. If CCP actually wants this game to sell and appeal to more people than the nitch group it already has it needs to make sweeping changes to game mechanics.
I do like the skill system they have, but the time it takes to earn the skill needs to be either dramatically shortened or it needs to be changed from time granting to a XP granting skill system. If the skill system isnt changed the game will continue to be just a greifers paradise for the Vets, they will always have an advantage to stomp on new players either in combat or with the games economy.
EVE in its current form is a greifers paradise made by its skill system and Vets, Ill take that advice I keep hearing from this community; "go back to your old mmo". Not because this game isnt fun, no because it is designed to make me pay for a year to even have any fun.
I played EvE, it was okay, I love the open feel of the game. I love how I got to pick what I wanted to do but what I disliked was not being able to fly my ship.
That is the reason I no longer play eve, I felt like I was watching my ship instead of flying my ship. EvE with manual controls would be great and I will still be playing. Again EvE is a niche game and it is not for everyone including myself.
I think EvE is a great game and a great concept for new MMOs to follow but I need to have control of the moment of my charater. (EvE your ship is your charater)
Sooner or Later
Why? Because you will have your falcon alt nearby?
and here the poster was complaining that they are looking for honorable ways to pvp, but is at the same time being "dishonorable" according to their standards...this is just getting funny now
that's quite ironic, and hypocritical.
oh well...
Well, I guess the first clue was that he chose to complain about the PVP.
Not that the game doesn't have things to complain about. I often complain about the way the slots on all the ships are fixed. I think it would be really neat if some ships (cruiser, BC and BS class) had a slot that could be switched between high, med, and low. I think this would add allot to PVP and the game.
i often get accused of flaming people, so im going to be as polite as i can.
if you are finding that the minerals that you mine to make a shuttle are worth more than the shuttle, why not just sell the minerals? a good place for newbie crafters to start is by making ammo in mission hubs, a few buy orders for the more common rat loot that you then reprocess, or even just a buy order for minerals will keep you with a nice stockpile which you can quickly turn into the ammo that the mission runners need.
having the ecconomy described as shallow is very odd to me, as eve has its own ecconomist, market trends and has been the subject of a great deal of research.
for a new player, yes, it can be a bit overwhelming and the "can't compete" myth is a commonly repeated one. you need to remember that all the current veterans were new once, we faced exactly the same challenge (average lifespan of an eve character is 17 months) but we overcame it and are now the "invincible vets". incidently if you ever fight me in pvp, you'll notice that i am infact anything but invincible.
oh, and i was planning a neutron blaster rokh with eccm.
double click in space -> ship flies in that direction.
joystick flight just wouldnt work for anything large than frigates, you're the ship captain really. anyhow, can you imagine flying a battleship with a 20 second align time with a joystick?