ATTN: Captain Obvious Reporting..

Random_mage · April 2009

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.

Let's point out the obvious.

1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started

2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.

3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.

4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.

5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.

miagisan · April 2009

The most honest, straight forward, non fanbois/non hater review i have seen yet. Kudos!

spacebot · April 2009

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.

You do know that for many of us, watching the troll/fanboi wars here is like a sporting event? It's like pvp in one of those text based mmo thingies. Some folks like to jump in others like to watch. I spend about 5 minutes a day here.

I work, come home, eat, play, some do other stuff, and check out this place to see how the wars are going and if I could one day acually play Darkfall in a free trial!

Random_mage · April 2009

Originally posted by spacebot

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.

You do know that for many of us, watching the troll/fanboi wars here is like a sporting event? It's like pvp in one of those text based mmo thingies. Some folks like to jump in others like to watch. I spend about 5 minutes a day here.

I work, come home, eat, play, some do other stuff, and check out this place to see how the wars are going and if I could one day acually play Darkfall in a free trial!

I would agree with you, but like it's been said many times, people who come here to get information about the game (Like the game is in a pay for alpha/beta state, the shop isn't really open that much, some people are having fun playing Darkfall) can't, because it's clogged up with the same redundent posts from the same people. Who don't plan on playing the game.

Vampirian28 · April 2009

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.
Let's point out the obvious.
1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started
Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt? Their job is to make ppl feel good about the game and progress.
2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.
This part is accurate I enjoy the simplicity of the combat system.
3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.
I have yet to see one hacker. Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure, but what game doesn't have that?

Are there missing features? Of course..the game is barely 2 months old.
Are there server issues? Yes...but again..what game this young does not have them?
4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.
Never fallen through the world but I know it happens. Hell I fell through the world in WoW after Lich King was released.
5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.
Didn't happen to me and I purchased 2 accounts with 2 weeks inbetween purchases.

Straight forward and honest? Come on..this is one player's point of view. And I have added mine

I am far from a fanboi...as a matter of fact I am one of the "Trolls" that consiered this game vaporware up until release.

Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO.

Take everything with a grain of salt....All in all, for a small company to release a game such as this, they have done an above average job IMO.

Random_mage · April 2009

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.
Let's point out the obvious.
1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started
Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt? Their job is to make ppl feel good about the game and progress.
2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.
This part is accurate I enjoy the simplicity of the combat system.
3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.
I have yet to see one hacker. Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure, but what game doesn't have that?

Are there missing features? Of course..the game is barely 2 months old.
Are there server issues? Yes...but again..what game this young does not have them?
4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.
Never fallen through the world but I know it happens. Hell I fell through the world in WoW after Lich King was released.
5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.
Didn't happen to me and I purchased 2 accounts with 2 weeks inbetween purchases.

Straight forward and honest? Come on..this is one player's point of view. And I have added mine

I am far from a fanboi...as a matter of fact I am one of the "Trolls" that consiered this game vaporware up until release.

Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO.

Take everything with a grain of salt....All in all, for a small company to release a game such as this, they have done an above average job IMO.

apparently you don't get it.

GF.. read all of the post.

Vampirian28 · April 2009

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.
Let's point out the obvious.
1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started
Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt? Their job is to make ppl feel good about the game and progress.
2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.
This part is accurate I enjoy the simplicity of the combat system.
3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.
I have yet to see one hacker. Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure, but what game doesn't have that?

Are there missing features? Of course..the game is barely 2 months old.
Are there server issues? Yes...but again..what game this young does not have them?
4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.
Never fallen through the world but I know it happens. Hell I fell through the world in WoW after Lich King was released.
5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.
Didn't happen to me and I purchased 2 accounts with 2 weeks inbetween purchases.

Straight forward and honest? Come on..this is one player's point of view. And I have added mine

I am far from a fanboi...as a matter of fact I am one of the "Trolls" that consiered this game vaporware up until release.

Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO.

Take everything with a grain of salt....All in all, for a small company to release a game such as this, they have done an above average job IMO.

apparently you don't get it.

GF.. read all of the post.

No I get it..but your post, even though you felt was honest and straight forward, was actually very negative in almost every aspect. The "obvious" as you stated is only obviouse to you. I was sharring my experiences that show your views are not as obvious to everyone...

If you were trying to point out DF's flaws you passed, if you were trying to give ppl a reason not to flame...you failed!

And as a side note, if you were trying to tell ppl of DF's flaws but that you still enjoy the game and only ppl playing it should have a comment...I will give you a "barely succeeds" You basically just added more fuel to the fire.

sanders01 · April 2009

I have to say, after 2 days of playing I haven't crashed yet.

Random_mage · April 2009

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.
Let's point out the obvious.
1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started
Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt? Their job is to make ppl feel good about the game and progress.
2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.
This part is accurate I enjoy the simplicity of the combat system.
3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.
I have yet to see one hacker. Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure, but what game doesn't have that?

Are there missing features? Of course..the game is barely 2 months old.
Are there server issues? Yes...but again..what game this young does not have them?
4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.
Never fallen through the world but I know it happens. Hell I fell through the world in WoW after Lich King was released.
5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.
Didn't happen to me and I purchased 2 accounts with 2 weeks inbetween purchases.

Straight forward and honest? Come on..this is one player's point of view. And I have added mine

I am far from a fanboi...as a matter of fact I am one of the "Trolls" that consiered this game vaporware up until release.

Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO.

Take everything with a grain of salt....All in all, for a small company to release a game such as this, they have done an above average job IMO.

apparently you don't get it.

GF.. read all of the post.

No I get it..but your post, even though you felt was honest and straight forward, was actually very negative in almost every aspect. The "obvious" as you stated is only obviouse to you. I was sharring my experiences that show your views are not as obvious to everyone...

If you were trying to point out DF's flaws you passed, if you were trying to give ppl a reason not to flame...you failed!

And as a side note, if you were trying to tell ppl of DF's flaws but that you still enjoy the game and only ppl playing it should have a comment...I will give you a "barely succeeds" You basically just added more fuel to the fire.

Nope.. still don't get it. Read it one more time.

You're doing pretty good at trolling me though.. I really wish people like you would use your powers for good instead of evil..

Vampirian28 · April 2009

Originally posted by Random_mage

Nope.. still don't get it. Read it one more time.
You're doing pretty good at trolling me though.. I really wish people like you would use your powers for good instead of evil..

Sheesh...I guess my purpose in life IS to Troll you...either that or both of us need a class on effective communication.

I am not flaming you, I am countering your post to state all of what you said is not accurate. I also pointed out that both of our assessments are of personal opinion.

Maybe you could enlighten me on what exactly I am missing....

javac · April 2009

Originally posted by miagisan

The most honest, straight forward, non fanbois/non hater review i have seen yet. Kudos!

considering that it's 90% lies and msinformation as usual, of course you'd support it.

Random_mage · April 2009

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by miagisan

The most honest, straight forward, non fanbois/non hater review i have seen yet. Kudos!

considering that it's 90% lies and msinformation as usual, of course you'd support it.

Well.. I don't think it's 90% lies.. seeing as it's the same stuff the trolls have been reporting.. And they are always right!!

Deto123 · April 2009

That post isn t misinformation. Just recently sold my account and I can tell you that all happened at some point. Is it rampant or extremly bad, no, does it happen yes. Theres nothing wrong with someone enjoying this game at all, and I m glad not many are putting this game in the same sentence as UO as much anymore. That said DFO is a very rough around the edges, pretty shallow "sandbox". Will it improve, ya I m sure it will but AV IMO doesn t have the time nor resources to make a huge impact, before other notable games come out.

miagisan · April 2009

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by miagisan

The most honest, straight forward, non fanbois/non hater review i have seen yet. Kudos!

considering that it's 90% lies and msinformation as usual, of course you'd support it.

sarcasm...learn it well....use it..love it.....make it your own!

egotrip · April 2009

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by miagisan

The most honest, straight forward, non fanbois/non hater review i have seen yet. Kudos!

considering that it's 90% lies and msinformation as usual, of course you'd support it.

sarcasm...learn it well....use it..love it.....make it your own!

Impossible , their programming doesn't support this function they were not built to understand, grasp or use sarcasm

Nevulus · April 2009

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.
Let's point out the obvious.
1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started
Since I started there was apparently one huge siege I obviously missed out as I'm still learning the game. Most of my in-game friends crashed during it even with brand new rigs, all sound turned off, and gfx set at minimum, with various other reports of problems, and it wasn't 2k people in one area as some people are claiming and lying about.
2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.
I enjoy PVP, its not a sandbox MMO but it has its pluses. It is not an innovative combat system. Some people ingame have told me that this is as good as it gets and that you cannot reinvent the wheel, obviously they haven't played Chronicles of Spellborn. But I enjoy it, requires no thinking and no skill, it just involves no lag.
3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.
What's up with some of the buffs? It's like they do nothing at all. I'm starting to think the attributes themselves are not working. Just starting I already experienced bugs, VM crashing.
4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.
I haven't fallen through the world yet but saw someone disappear and reappear a distance away. They were gloating about being able to super jump in the world /shrug. Almost every MMO at release has its share of problems and cheaters, but wasn't darkfall in development for 8 years? Uhm, some of these problems are just to "new" for a game that supposedly been in development for 8 years according to the devs themselves. That makes it pretty downright concerning as well as the fact something as simple as a website hasn't been updated or revised at all.
5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.
The reason I actually replied to this thread! I just got off the phone with my bank wondering why I was double billed. I just came from the DF forums to find out if this double billing was common, some even charged triple! I am an investment banker who does international transactions daily so don't give me the excuse "oh but it's international banking issues" no it's not! Not i, nor any of my clients over seas have EVER had a billing issues through oversea transactions.

Just my point of view.

Die_Scream · April 2009

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Random_mage

Darkfall has problems. It's not all roses and sunshine like people might paint it as. But, if you don't play it.. You don't have to worry about the status of the game. If you are spending your waking hours on the forums of a game you don't play, you may want to seek out help or at least try to get a job (I know, the ecomony is tough right now), or better yet, find a game you enjoy, and play it. You will find much more joy doing that, then posting on a forum of a game you don't play or plan on playing.
Let's point out the obvious.
1. Darkfall is not as great as Tasos says. You can't get 10k people in one area. You can't get 1k people in one area. Tasos has been full of crap now since he started
Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt? Their job is to make ppl feel good about the game and progress.
2. People are enjoying Darkfall. Even with all of it's flaws, people are having fun playing a huge knife only counter-strike map. You may not like it, but, get this, you don't have to.
This part is accurate I enjoy the simplicity of the combat system.
3. There's bugs, crashes, exploits, cheats, hacks, zergs, naked pointless fighting, broken things/skills, missing spells.. etc. Yes. There are a lot of problems with Darkfall.
I have yet to see one hacker. Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure, but what game doesn't have that?

Are there missing features? Of course..the game is barely 2 months old.
Are there server issues? Yes...but again..what game this young does not have them?
4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.
Never fallen through the world but I know it happens. Hell I fell through the world in WoW after Lich King was released.
5. AV will charge you twice, or 3 times maybe. The GMs suck. The website doesn't inform. The FAQ isn't right. But, if you don't plan on buying the game.. none of these things affect you. Move on.
Didn't happen to me and I purchased 2 accounts with 2 weeks inbetween purchases.

Straight forward and honest? Come on..this is one player's point of view. And I have added mine

I am far from a fanboi...as a matter of fact I am one of the "Trolls" that consiered this game vaporware up until release.

Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO.

Take everything with a grain of salt....All in all, for a small company to release a game such as this, they have done an above average job IMO.

Actually, in your view it was honest, you admitted all these problems exist, you just made an excuse for each point is all.

Vampirian28 · April 2009

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Actually, in your view it was honest, you admitted all these problems exist, you just made an excuse for each point is all.

How can it be an excuse if it is experience from past launches that have taught us this? I would call it reality. The real question though is how much reality is any one person willing to succumb to? I venture to say it differs just like opinions

Die_Scream · April 2009

Originally posted by Vampirian28

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Actually, in your view it was honest, you admitted all these problems exist, you just made an excuse for each point is all.

How can it be an excuse if it is experience from past launches that have taught us this? I would call it reality. The real question though is how much reality is any one person willing to succumb to? I venture to say it differs just like opinions

You said his points were just opinion - true.

You then said for each one that his points were true, you weren't denying them - true.

You then added a comment to the effect of "Happens in every other game".

You therefore are saying that yes, it's true, but here's why it's not a big deal.

So..."Does the game have problems? Sure...is it like the OP states? NO."

In your post, you were in fact saying that yes it is like the OP states, but "It happens in all games".

Is Tasos full of shit? What Community Relations Manager isnt?

This part is accurate

Are there ppl exploiting the game mechanics? Sure,...

Are there missing features? Of course

Are there server issues? Yes...

Never fallen through the world but I know it happens.

I don't really care TBH, I'm just bored downloading some stuff right now.

APEist · April 2009

Random, have you gotten in good with a solid clan yet?

Jerid13 · April 2009

Originally posted by Random_mage

4. The game is in alpha/beta state. People fall through the world, things don't work quite right.. Yep. Lots of things aren't complete.

I just wanted to comment that I've fallen through the world on many many games, EQ1, WoW (recently with Wrath even), EQ2 had a few glitches like this, DAOC.

Really I agree the game seems to need a lot of clean up on it, but many games have the problem you described even long after release.

ianubisi · April 2009

For many, "you don't get it" = "you don't agree with me."

Just stating the obvious.

Roin · April 2009

Originally posted by APEist

Random, have you gotten in good with a solid clan yet?

You know I have no ill will at al towards you APEist. You and to a slightly less extent Paragus. Are what I would call more credible members of the DF community. On the the topic at hand. When I read your post a thought popped into my head. Why is it the one of the first things DF players suggest when someone says something relating to playing the game. Is that they need to hurry up and find a clan. Not saying you are just a trend I notice in alot of replies from DF players. Almost like it's being suggested that you aren't playing the game right, unless you find a clan ASAP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but DF totes itself as being a PvP Sandbox game right? Sandbox games are supposed to be about freedom, and player making their own content right? So out of curiousity why is it one of the firsts things I have to do, is get myself ball & chained to a clan? I'm no rocket scientist, but that doesn't seem like alot of freedom to me, if the path I have to take has already been decided, the moment I enter the game.

There have been quite a few post where someone was like "I didn't like the game". Then comes the follow up reply from someone asking "Did you join a clan?" Usually followed by responses of "If you didn't you aren't playing the game how it's supposed to be played, go find yourself a clan, and then you can start to enjoy the game". For a game that says it's sandbox, which incidently the meaning of is still debated about today, but generally means freedom and player driven content. Is it that right off the bat, what I would consider something I should be deciding, as a player, is already decided. I don't know to me that sounds no different then how a theme park game as you all like to refer to them, tells you what set of skills you'll have.

Note: This question is posed directly at APEist and/or Paragus since they seem to be the only two sane DF fans here.

maxnrosy · April 2009

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by APEist

Random, have you gotten in good with a solid clan yet?

You know I have no ill will at al towards you APEist. You and to a slightly less extent Paragus. Are what I would call more credible members of the DF community. On the the topic at hand. When I read your post a thought popped into my head. Why is it the one of the first things DF players suggest when someone says something relating to playing the game. Is that they need to hurry up and find a clan. Not saying you are just a trend I notice in alot of replies from DF players. Almost like it's being suggested that you aren't playing the game right, unless you find a clan ASAP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but DF totes itself as being a PvP Sandbox game right? Sandbox games are supposed to be about freedom, and player making their own content right? So out of curiousity why is it one of the firsts things I have to do, is get myself ball & chained to a clan? I'm no rocket scientist, but that doesn't seem like alot of freedom to me, if the path I have to take has already been decided, the moment I enter the game.

There have been quite a few post where someone was like "I didn't like the game". Then comes the follow up reply from someone asking "Did you join a clan?" Usually followed by responses of "If you didn't you aren't playing the game how it's supposed to be played, go find yourself a clan, and then you can start to enjoy the game". For a game that says it's sandbox, which incidently the meaning of is still debated about today, but generally means freedom and player driven content. Is it that right off the bat, what I would consider something I should be deciding, as a player, is already decided. I don't know to me that sounds no different then how a theme park game as you all like to refer to them, tells you what set of skills you'll have.

Note: This question is posed directly at APEist and/or Paragus since they seem to be the only two sane DF fans here.

Ape personally thinks that all of darkfalls flaws n problems magicly disappear if you join a clan. *runs away*

APEist · April 2009

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by APEist

Random, have you gotten in good with a solid clan yet?

You know I have no ill will at al towards you APEist. You and to a slightly less extent Paragus. Are what I would call more credible members of the DF community. On the the topic at hand. When I read your post a thought popped into my head. Why is it the one of the first things DF players suggest when someone says something relating to playing the game. Is that they need to hurry up and find a clan. Not saying you are just a trend I notice in alot of replies from DF players. Almost like it's being suggested that you aren't playing the game right, unless you find a clan ASAP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but DF totes itself as being a PvP Sandbox game right? Sandbox games are supposed to be about freedom, and player making their own content right? So out of curiousity why is it one of the firsts things I have to do, is get myself ball & chained to a clan? I'm no rocket scientist, but that doesn't seem like alot of freedom to me, if the path I have to take has already been decided, the moment I enter the game.

There have been quite a few post where someone was like "I didn't like the game". Then comes the follow up reply from someone asking "Did you join a clan?" Usually followed by responses of "If you didn't you aren't playing the game how it's supposed to be played, go find yourself a clan, and then you can start to enjoy the game". For a game that says it's sandbox, which incidently the meaning of is still debated about today, but generally means freedom and player driven content. Is it that right off the bat, what I would consider something I should be deciding, as a player, is already decided. I don't know to me that sounds no different then how a theme park game as you all like to refer to them, tells you what set of skills you'll have.

Note: This question is posed directly at APEist and/or Paragus since they seem to be the only two sane DF fans here.

Well, it's true what people say about playing DF solo: it's hard. I was asking Random if he had joined a clan because I was simply wondering if he had experienced the game from that perspective yet.

I, believe it or not, have NOT experienced DF from a clan perspective. I roll alone 90% of the time. Random, if you havn't joined a clan yet, we can roll around some time once I get back from this trip.

Anyways, back to your question... the reason why the question 'did you join a clan?' is so ubiquitous amongst DF players is probably because they remember their own experiences as a solo player. It's not easy coming from another game. You have to be on CONSTANT alert. There is literally no respite unless you're out on a deserted island somewhere or you are naked (and I don't play naked). More often than not you will run into bands of players who would love nothing more than to loot your corpse dry... and being so heavily outnumbered, they likely will, if you let them catch you. And when you do happen upon one or two or three people on their own and you decide to attack, most of the time they will run away. Of course, after a while you get used to killing these runners and it's not an issue, but it can be incredibly frustrating for a newer player.

So when you play DF solo it is harder to aquire and stockpile quality loot, it is harder to skill up (thus making it harder to fight), and it is simply harder to survive in general. Even relatively simple things such as traveling can turn into a nightmare if you are without a mount and patience. And I haven't even touched on the PvE yet. Maybe 15% of the mobs in the world are soloable if you are wearing Full Plate/Infernal/Black Knight armor with good food and at least medium potions on hand. That is ridiculous to me, and I'm sure it's also ridiculous for people coming from other games expecting to be able to solo at least 40% of the mobs in the world without much of a problem.

tl;dr-- You can play DF solo. The game just has a much harsher learning curve and is thus incredibly frustrating when you do so. Once you get the hang of it, you can become quite viable. My skills are still pretty low, especially in comparison to the power-gaming clans, but my bank vault will attest to my success.

APEist · April 2009

Originally posted by maxnrosy

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by APEist

Random, have you gotten in good with a solid clan yet?

You know I have no ill will at al towards you APEist. You and to a slightly less extent Paragus. Are what I would call more credible members of the DF community. On the the topic at hand. When I read your post a thought popped into my head. Why is it the one of the first things DF players suggest when someone says something relating to playing the game. Is that they need to hurry up and find a clan. Not saying you are just a trend I notice in alot of replies from DF players. Almost like it's being suggested that you aren't playing the game right, unless you find a clan ASAP.

Correct me if I am wrong, but DF totes itself as being a PvP Sandbox game right? Sandbox games are supposed to be about freedom, and player making their own content right? So out of curiousity why is it one of the firsts things I have to do, is get myself ball & chained to a clan? I'm no rocket scientist, but that doesn't seem like alot of freedom to me, if the path I have to take has already been decided, the moment I enter the game.

There have been quite a few post where someone was like "I didn't like the game". Then comes the follow up reply from someone asking "Did you join a clan?" Usually followed by responses of "If you didn't you aren't playing the game how it's supposed to be played, go find yourself a clan, and then you can start to enjoy the game". For a game that says it's sandbox, which incidently the meaning of is still debated about today, but generally means freedom and player driven content. Is it that right off the bat, what I would consider something I should be deciding, as a player, is already decided. I don't know to me that sounds no different then how a theme park game as you all like to refer to them, tells you what set of skills you'll have.

Note: This question is posed directly at APEist and/or Paragus since they seem to be the only two sane DF fans here.

Ape personally thinks that all of darkfalls flaws n problems magicly disappear if you join a clan. *runs away*

No the game just gets easier, which makes it a lot more palatable for some people. Well, that's not entirely correct... I guess most people enjoy the social aspect as well. You have an entire social structure supporting you when you are in a guild. Darkfall's ruleset exacerbates the differences between the soloer and the clan member.

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