Darkfall wouldn't be the first mmorpg to release with missing features, and it certainly won't be the last. My overviews cover what the game does have.
This is a matter of perspective. The perspective that those other games, with missing features, are about 500% more complicated, and simply have more features at ship, than a game that has a handful of features even listed, and 90% of those didn't get in.
If this was truly an opinion piece, and not a review, this point would be rather predominant if your "Opinion piece/Overview" however the omission of this, takes us back to being a review. The reasoning, you have given yourself.
"My overviews cover what the game does have."
Meaning about 90% of the games features that were never delivered, and where most of the relaunch hype came from.
To say that: "Darkfall is missing features, yes, but it isn't the only one, so whats the problem?" is an insult to other game developers that have produced more that the whole of Darkfall (even on paper) and still had to cut features.
Consider that, while reading the lead developers comments from Darkfall about other Triple A titles, and how they will be, and are far superior to them, as well as a large dash of insuilts to thoes games and devlopers, and the perspective painting will be complete.
Also, "one thousand copy's when the store is open" is a number you pulled out your ass.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
In regards to the official site, most people know by now to take this with a grain of salt.
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I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
Yep, only 10% of all MMO players read forums, the only way you would know the official site is wrong, is to read forums, even then you will have to hunt, due to the fans of this game, and the amount of spin they throw out.
Darkfall Developers know this, hence, no update.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Darkfall wouldn't be the first mmorpg to release with missing features, and it certainly won't be the last. My overviews cover what the game does have.
This is a matter of perspective. The perspective that those other games, with missing features, are about 500% more complicated, and simply have more features at ship, than a game that has a handful of features even listed, and 90% of those didn't get in.
If this was truly an opinion piece, and not a review, this point would be rather predominant if your "Opinion piece/Overview" however the omission of this, takes us back to being a review. The reasoning, you have given yourself.
"My overviews cover what the game does have."
Meaning about 90% of the games features that were never delivered, and where most of the relaunch hype came from.
To say that: "Darkfall is missing features, yes, but it isn't the only one, so whats the problem?" is an insult to other game developers that have produced more that the whole of Darkfall (even on paper) and still had to cut features.
Consider that, while reading the lead developers comments from Darkfall about other Triple A titles, and how they will be, and are far superior to them, as well as a large dash of insuilts to thoes games and devlopers, and the perspective painting will be complete.
Also, "one thousand copy's when the store is open" is a number you pulled out your ass.
With all due respect, no one was waiting with bated breath for Darkfall's release because of an out of game trade system or weather effects. They were waiting for a game that had full PVP, with full looting, based around a skill based system. This is what Darkfall delivered. While I welcome any new things they add to the game, none of those features that didn't make release would have swayed me from my decision to purchase the product. I don't see the point in giving a game good or bad marks because several line items were pushed back beyond release. The game should get good or bad marks for what it is. You saw a lot of this mentality back when Age of Conan was first released. The game was fairly poor on many accounts and people were giving it high marks for "what it will be in the future". Darkfall is the exact opposite. If they added things like out of game trading and weather effects, the full PVP, full loot, skill based game is just the same as it was the day before. They simply would have made the game a little nicer, and a little more convenient.
Actually they started at 1,000 copies a day, and later increased it once they had some queueing problems resolved (which coincidentally is the reason they had closed the store for an entire week as I had mentioned in a previous post). Will they ever release true numbers? Who knows. I do know they they claim the servers can handle 10k people on at one time, with a 50k player capacity. Since we are still at one server, one could infer they are less than this figure.
The bottom line here is that as a game correspondant my game is to report about the game. More specifically, the content you purchase when you buy the game. Knocking the game for missing features is just as silly as praising a game for promised features that have not yet been implemented. My overviews will exclusively cover what features currently exist in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
-Andy Cormier
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
In regards to the official site, most people know by now to take this with a grain of salt.
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I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
Yep, only 10% of all MMO players read forums, the only way you would know the official site is wrong, is to read forums, even then you will have to hunt, due to the fans of this game, and the amount of spin they throw out.
Darkfall Developers know this, hence, no update.
And since the upcoming "objective" articles will only cover what is in the game... there will be no mention of the all the false-hoods and blatant deception on the official site.
Hmm... and then some fans wonder why it is that players who buy the game get a bit irritated on the forums when they discover that a ton of the Features listed on the Official site are missing.
What incentive does Aventurine have in changing it's web-site now? None.
In regards to the official site, most people know by now to take this with a grain of salt.
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I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
There is no disregard for the lack of professionalism. It exists. They are an indie company with limited resources and in specific areas like billing, purchasing, and their website this is very apparent. Part 2 of my overview is already finished, and covers all of these aspects fairly well.
-Andy Cormier
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
Darkfall wouldn't be the first mmorpg to release with missing features, and it certainly won't be the last. My overviews cover what the game does have.
This is a matter of perspective. The perspective that those other games, with missing features, are about 500% more complicated, and simply have more features at ship, than a game that has a handful of features even listed, and 90% of those didn't get in.
If this was truly an opinion piece, and not a review, this point would be rather predominant if your "Opinion piece/Overview" however the omission of this, takes us back to being a review. The reasoning, you have given yourself.
"My overviews cover what the game does have."
Meaning about 90% of the games features that were never delivered, and where most of the relaunch hype came from.
To say that: "Darkfall is missing features, yes, but it isn't the only one, so whats the problem?" is an insult to other game developers that have produced more that the whole of Darkfall (even on paper) and still had to cut features.
Consider that, while reading the lead developers comments from Darkfall about other Triple A titles, and how they will be, and are far superior to them, as well as a large dash of insuilts to thoes games and devlopers, and the perspective painting will be complete.
Also, "one thousand copy's when the store is open" is a number you pulled out your ass.
With all due respect, no one was waiting with bated breath for Darkfall's release because of an out of game trade system or weather effects. They were waiting for a game that had full PVP, with full looting, based around a skill based system. This is what Darkfall delivered. While I welcome any new things they add to the game, none of those features that didn't make release would have swayed me from my decision to purchase the product. I don't see the point in giving a game good or bad marks because several line items were pushed back beyond release. The game should get good or bad marks for what it is. You saw a lot of this mentality back when Age of Conan was first released. The game was fairly poor on many accounts and people were giving it high marks for "what it will be in the future". Darkfall is the exact opposite. If they added things like out of game trading and weather effects, the full PVP, full loot, skill based game is just the same as it was the day before. They simply would have made the game a little nicer, and a little more convenient.
Actually they started at 1,000 copies a day, and later increased it once they had some queueing problems resolved (which coincidentally is the reason they had closed the store for an entire week as I had mentioned in a previous post). Will they ever release true numbers? Who knows. I do know they they claim the servers can handle 10k people on at one time, with a 50k player capacity. Since we are still at one server, one could infer they are less than this figure.
The bottom line here is that as a game correspondant my game is to report about the game. More specifically, the content you purchase when you buy the game. Knocking the game for missing features is just as silly as praising a game for promised features that have not yet been implemented. My overviews will exclusively cover what features currently exist in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
-Andy Cormier
In your opinion....
Myself and quite a few others on the official forums have held off in buying the game for exactly those reasons. When they are able to provide the game that they said they would... then we may purchase it.
Please do not try and speak for the entire DarkFall community. Represent your experiences and your opinion. When you say things like:
"no one was waiting..."
It will be wrong no matter what you follow it with.
In regards to the official site, most people know by now to take this with a grain of salt.
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I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
There is no disregard for the lack of professionalism. It exists. They are an indie company with limited resources and in specific areas like billing, purchasing, and their website this is very apparent. Part 2 of my overview is already finished, and covers all of these aspects fairly well.
-Andy Cormier
Umm...
When you say things like:
"In regards to the official site, most people know by now to take this with a grain of salt."
That is disregarding it. How else would you interupt that statement?
How is a new player looking at DarkFall on their web-site for the first time supposed to know what is truth and what is not?
THAT is the point.
When you pass it off as flippantly as you did. It shows to many of us that you are willing to give Aventurine a free pass on their blatant disregard for anything approaching professional ethics.
As I said before... I'll read the 2nd article. That will determine if numbers 3-10 are even looked at. From what you have posted in this thread... it's not looking good.
In regards to the official site, most people know by now to take this with a grain of salt.
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I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
Yep, only 10% of all MMO players read forums, the only way you would know the official site is wrong, is to read forums, even then you will have to hunt, due to the fans of this game, and the amount of spin they throw out.
Darkfall Developers know this, hence, no update.
And since the upcoming "objective" articles will only cover what is in the game... there will be no mention of the all the false-hoods and blatant deception on the official site.
Hmm... and then some fans wonder why it is that players who buy the game get a bit irritated on the forums when they discover that a ton of the Features listed on the Official site are missing.
What incentive does Aventurine have in changing it's web-site now? None.
Well for starters I would think that once they permanently open the store it may help to add a "buy it now" button on their site, and create some newer news articles on the site so visitors don't think the game is still in beta . That should help sales I bit I would think.
Very simply, this is really the basis for the overview. By the number of hits on this thread, and the emotions Darkfall seems to be able to extract (almost instantly) from everyone involved, it is quite apparent that Darkfall is still a hot topic. When a potential new player wants to find out some info about the game, it's almost impossible to tell fact from fiction, especially since most of the people posting have never even played the game. For anyone on the fence, or just wanting to know more about Darkfall... after all ten parts of my overview are finished, you will have a very good understanding of what this game does, doesnt do, and everything in between. But more importantly this knowledge will come from someone who has been playing the game since it's release almost 6 weeks ago. I have no doubt many readers will decide that based of off what I have to say, this game simply isn't for them. Others will feel reassured this is the style of game they have been waiting so long to see. To each his own. If you feel cheated, or lied too and this is your reason for not purchasing the game, thats ok too. But if full PvP, full looting and a skill based system truly appeals to you, I think you may be missing out on something you would actually enjoy.
That being said, I will see you all in part 2. Take care.
-Andy Cormier
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
I all ready explained why its a hot topic. Stop confusing that with popularity.
Are you also aware of the things they said during its 8 years of development?
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Many things have changed over the years. I remember when they talked about if they should have gunners and loaders for the cannons. In the end they just went with "magic" does it.
Other sites report (Patch notes, and Drama pices), yes, but I was referring to your user base. This site is the only one where the user base has been rather concerned with this game (Mostly due to trolling, and outrageous claims by its fans, and Moderators and other representatives of the game and its company coming here and hyping) , the rest...don't really care. So, calling it the most talked about game in history,...uh...maybe on this sites forums, sure.
Not sure you are being fair about your postings, Blood.
You claim only so many care about Darkfall here and this is the only place people show interest. But if someone was to check your post history, I bet you probably have 500 postings on the Darkfall threads, all negative. Now the negative part isn't really important as everyone has a right to post their mind I say. It's the fact that you've posted THAT many times daily on a game you say "no one cares about". Right now you aren't interested in playing it, but you post as much as you do there shows you DO have quite an interest in Darkfall. I would say the trolls on the forums here have more of an actual interest in Darkfall than the fanbois do, although for a different reason altogether. (not calling you a troll)
There also aren't tons of sites following EVE or similar games that do okay, so it's not a fair assessment to say since there aren't five or six sites following Darkfall, no one cares about it at all. Half the trolls on their forums and here show you that you are wrong about that one. There's probably a 4-1 ratio of troll to fanboy.
About the edits: I wouldn't blame it all on the double postings. Your first post was a one line post that you got rebuffed on. Then you went back and altered it way AFTER it was responded to to make it look less "snarky" and you actually were commenting on the substance of the link. Again, its quite ironic to claim there is little interest in Darkfall when you yourself follow everything about the game so closely.
I had just seen this.
I, am not the whole of the MMO playing world. I, also, am an advanced user in this regard. I study MMO's, the good and the bad, there is also not many that i haven't played to some point or another.
I am by no means a representative of the whole, and am a special case in most regards anyway. Red the sig.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Many things have changed over the years. I remember when they talked about if they should have gunners and loaders for the cannons. In the end they just went with "magic" does it. We will see what the patches will do : )
Not talking about game features. I am talking about the outright smack talk. They seemed to think they were David and Goliath, but simply got stepped on by themselves, by biting off more than they can chew.
They stepped into the big boy arena, in the end they could not even muster the entry fee.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
so you are saying that the website is not up to date, not accurate, and that everyone who reads it should take it for a grain of salt? gee....new players who dont read forums but buy the game are gonna be in for an awakening....
and fair and objective my ***....keep making excuses for em. If this was any other company (funcom, ccp, soe, etc) these same fanbois would be ripping them a new one.....but because its AV and Darkfall (don't gimme that small indie company crap either) you just overlook it......nice.
so you are saying that the website is not up to date, not accurate, and that everyone who reads it should take it for a grain of salt? gee....new players who dont read forums but buy the game are gonna be in for an awakening....
and fair and objective my ***....keep making excuses for em. If this was any other company (funcom, ccp, soe, etc) these same fanbois would be ripping them a new one.....but because its AV and Darkfall (don't gimme that small indie company crap either) you just overlook it......nice.
Probably simply because, for some, the game is actually a lot of fun.
For others, well, those opinions are irrelevant anyway...
For anyone on the fence, or just wanting to know more about Darkfall... after all ten parts of my overview are finished, you will have a very good understanding of what this game does, doesnt do, and everything in between.
Based on the first part they will have Adventurine's marketing bullet points regurgitated into a ten part "overview".
In my opinion, most of the people that frequent these threads, [for both sides of the argument] are really just here for the trainwreck. Many of us don't care either way if Darkfall lives or dies. We just wanna watch. [Without having to pay for it or jump through the hoops of electronic stores that might open or might not.]
[Boring] Full Loot PvP and "l33t hax0rz" cheating don't matter in the end. This is all just one big Jerry Springer episode that we can each read in our free time. It's fun, plain and simple.
P.S. if anybody wants "their game" to get a 10 article overview, just submit a damn article. I bet they'd publish the damn thing. I don't know why folks whine so much about "why doesn't X game get this much coverage?" They just need people to write the article, and then there wouldn't be a need for complaints about it. Hell, I'd actually enjoy reading an article about a game besides EQ 1 or 2, WoW, LoTRo, Darfall, UO, EVE, or ANOTHER friggin SWG NGE sob-story! Remember, this site can't put out an article nobody is willing to write.
What Happened With SWG Went Down YEARS AGO! Please Try To Stop Whining About It In Every Thread I Read. Mourn It, And Finally MOVE ON With Your Lives! Thanks A Heap.
For anyone on the fence, or just wanting to know more about Darkfall... after all ten parts of my overview are finished, you will have a very good understanding of what this game does, doesnt do, and everything in between.
Based on the first part they will have Adventurine's marketing bullet points regurgitated into a ten part "overview".
I read his overview.
I believe that it is an accurate portrayal of the game.
If you disagree, I would like to know what, in fact, you feel was inaccurately represented.
And still, MMORPG.com have published many Overviews about many MMOs. The games i dont like, i dont read the overviews. Why does so many that dont like Darkfall read this? I would never read anything about WoW, because i dont like WoW. There would be no point for me to read it and say i didnt think MMORPG.com should post it....because i dont like it!
Noone forces you to read this. Its your own "fault" if you do.
Since i play DF, im looking forward to read this, both good and bad. I have no problem with either. As many seems to have.
And still, MMORPG.com have published many Overviews about many MMOs.
Really? Where are they? Searching the site for overview brings up this article and 100+ features and news items with overviews of certain aspects of different games (pvp overview, gear overview, class overview, etc.) but there is no other game overview like this one. Stradden was very quick to point out that this wasn't a review or even a preview but an overview...why the distinction?
Review: Grading the game as it stands at any given point in time
Preview: Giving snippets of a product that has yet to be released (like a movie preview)
Overview: General features and benefits of a released product (like if I had recorded myself playing the game and was explaining it to you as I was doing it)
So instead of doing 10 different overviews (PVP Overview, Combat Overview, etc), I chose to simply lump them all together into a 10 part overview. Either way you really get the same amount of info.
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
Ive always played games like this and becouse ive follow it sinds 2003 i had to play it, how could i resist not playing my kind of game:)
But ive played first the beta and already was very dissapointed with so many things not implemented and so many flawed gameplay, i first desided to wait before buying this game.
But after 4 weeks after launch i bought game and start playing.
Game for me is still better then playing most other mmorpg's.
But its a huge grind even worse then lineage2, and i dont exploit or macro anything im a pure player who progres naturally, so it takes a very very long time to rais skills to hundred and to get any decent gear or weapons is a pain.
This game is just simply lvl based nomatter how you wanne call it they just chance it into skill lvls but bottom line is you lvl skills up to 100 and it seems endless becouse you need to lvl many many skills to hundred and with huge amount of regeants needed to lvl magic or arrows to lvl range with bows is enormous also have to grind weeks to get mats.
Its also item based same as lineage2 or wow gear is very importend AV always its not realy that importend but it makes a huge differents also skills at 100 makes a huge differents.
Most first day launch players kick all players who came after 4 weeks and asses are kicked so easely its rediculous no chance at all no matter how skilled you are a avarage player with skills at 100 and rigor 100 will kick that asses dmg skilled newbee player 10 to 12dmg a avarage player that exploited rigor bug combat bug makes 40 to 50 dmg with magic or bows melee polearm around 30dmg maybe even higher but thats what i saw most.
After a few weeks already clans where wearing dragon armor highest armor you can get there unbeateble most of time.
Devs and many fans like me always said over years we hated games like wow and lineage2 well Darkfall is ITEM BASED like those games.
I still play it and keep playing there are luckely enough things to do in Darkfall that make up for bad grind and farming and lvl based and item based this game 100% is, and thats PVP with full loot.
I solo so its just much harder then join clan but i go on my daily adventures as mahirim mostly to alfar areas like most sub conitents like rubaiyat are 100% occupide by alfar only clans and have blast gank them even solo.
Its a shame there is so much exploiting macroing afk (i report them but it seems so wide spread that it won't help:( )
Alignment system supports pk griefing there is no room for anti's this game there non factor its all about alliance versus alliance's even small clans dont have much impact many are binds in savezone citys(bah never thought i would see that in darkfall:( ) and protected by STARWARS LASER TOWERS.
Good thing i play this game is full loot and im rather free to do what i want and not stick to a class but thats about it.
World looks greats but buildings looks old from 6 years ago, sounds are still terible.
I still have hope that Darkfall becomes better this game is a payed BETA with many flawes and even crashes.
But im a fan of these games so i keep playing it but im not realy satisfied how game realy is its not what devs have promised over years, but maybe future it becomes better.
First server is just a test server i hope second server is much better becouse already many exploits are not posible any more like in short time get rigor to 100(very importend skill to get high).
Cya ingame:)
PS:I know i solo so its much harder then join a clan and get some skills or mats much faster so my little command on game is purely based on solo play:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Good post Evasia, pretty much describes the game in a nutshell. I commend you for trying to do it the right way.
The cheating is pervasive. Anyone that comes here and says that few do it, is wearing blinders. This game so far, is a exploiters and cheaters paradise. The Aventurine staff are working hard to close loopholes and fix problems, but they have a long way to go. The problem they face is that this current server is already contaminated by all the exploits and cheats. I hope the Aventurine staff can turn this game around before they launch more servers.
Even though after quite a bit of research I've decided to wait for a Client price drop and a trial to be released this article has interested me.
Has it interested me enough to go buy a 50 buck client from an Indy developer and pay 15 bucks a month on a game with a very low population? not with out a trial first.
I enjoyed the review and look forward to the rest of the article. I hope you guys go more indepth with the crafting and alliance mechanics. I already know the "gank anyone anytime" aspect of the game and tbh i've been playing games like that for 10+ years so its not a selling point for me.
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This is a matter of perspective. The perspective that those other games, with missing features, are about 500% more complicated, and simply have more features at ship, than a game that has a handful of features even listed, and 90% of those didn't get in.
If this was truly an opinion piece, and not a review, this point would be rather predominant if your "Opinion piece/Overview" however the omission of this, takes us back to being a review. The reasoning, you have given yourself.
"My overviews cover what the game does have."
Meaning about 90% of the games features that were never delivered, and where most of the relaunch hype came from.
To say that: "Darkfall is missing features, yes, but it isn't the only one, so whats the problem?" is an insult to other game developers that have produced more that the whole of Darkfall (even on paper) and still had to cut features.
Consider that, while reading the lead developers comments from Darkfall about other Triple A titles, and how they will be, and are far superior to them, as well as a large dash of insuilts to thoes games and devlopers, and the perspective painting will be complete.
Also, "one thousand copy's when the store is open" is a number you pulled out your ass.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
Yep, only 10% of all MMO players read forums, the only way you would know the official site is wrong, is to read forums, even then you will have to hunt, due to the fans of this game, and the amount of spin they throw out.
Darkfall Developers know this, hence, no update.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
This is a matter of perspective. The perspective that those other games, with missing features, are about 500% more complicated, and simply have more features at ship, than a game that has a handful of features even listed, and 90% of those didn't get in.
If this was truly an opinion piece, and not a review, this point would be rather predominant if your "Opinion piece/Overview" however the omission of this, takes us back to being a review. The reasoning, you have given yourself.
"My overviews cover what the game does have."
Meaning about 90% of the games features that were never delivered, and where most of the relaunch hype came from.
To say that: "Darkfall is missing features, yes, but it isn't the only one, so whats the problem?" is an insult to other game developers that have produced more that the whole of Darkfall (even on paper) and still had to cut features.
Consider that, while reading the lead developers comments from Darkfall about other Triple A titles, and how they will be, and are far superior to them, as well as a large dash of insuilts to thoes games and devlopers, and the perspective painting will be complete.
Also, "one thousand copy's when the store is open" is a number you pulled out your ass.
With all due respect, no one was waiting with bated breath for Darkfall's release because of an out of game trade system or weather effects. They were waiting for a game that had full PVP, with full looting, based around a skill based system. This is what Darkfall delivered. While I welcome any new things they add to the game, none of those features that didn't make release would have swayed me from my decision to purchase the product. I don't see the point in giving a game good or bad marks because several line items were pushed back beyond release. The game should get good or bad marks for what it is. You saw a lot of this mentality back when Age of Conan was first released. The game was fairly poor on many accounts and people were giving it high marks for "what it will be in the future". Darkfall is the exact opposite. If they added things like out of game trading and weather effects, the full PVP, full loot, skill based game is just the same as it was the day before. They simply would have made the game a little nicer, and a little more convenient.
Actually they started at 1,000 copies a day, and later increased it once they had some queueing problems resolved (which coincidentally is the reason they had closed the store for an entire week as I had mentioned in a previous post). Will they ever release true numbers? Who knows. I do know they they claim the servers can handle 10k people on at one time, with a 50k player capacity. Since we are still at one server, one could infer they are less than this figure.
The bottom line here is that as a game correspondant my game is to report about the game. More specifically, the content you purchase when you buy the game. Knocking the game for missing features is just as silly as praising a game for promised features that have not yet been implemented. My overviews will exclusively cover what features currently exist in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
-Andy Cormier
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
-Rogan Blackheart
I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
Yep, only 10% of all MMO players read forums, the only way you would know the official site is wrong, is to read forums, even then you will have to hunt, due to the fans of this game, and the amount of spin they throw out.
Darkfall Developers know this, hence, no update.
And since the upcoming "objective" articles will only cover what is in the game... there will be no mention of the all the false-hoods and blatant deception on the official site.
Hmm... and then some fans wonder why it is that players who buy the game get a bit irritated on the forums when they discover that a ton of the Features listed on the Official site are missing.
What incentive does Aventurine have in changing it's web-site now? None.
I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
There is no disregard for the lack of professionalism. It exists. They are an indie company with limited resources and in specific areas like billing, purchasing, and their website this is very apparent. Part 2 of my overview is already finished, and covers all of these aspects fairly well.
-Andy Cormier
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
-Rogan Blackheart
This is a matter of perspective. The perspective that those other games, with missing features, are about 500% more complicated, and simply have more features at ship, than a game that has a handful of features even listed, and 90% of those didn't get in.
If this was truly an opinion piece, and not a review, this point would be rather predominant if your "Opinion piece/Overview" however the omission of this, takes us back to being a review. The reasoning, you have given yourself.
"My overviews cover what the game does have."
Meaning about 90% of the games features that were never delivered, and where most of the relaunch hype came from.
To say that: "Darkfall is missing features, yes, but it isn't the only one, so whats the problem?" is an insult to other game developers that have produced more that the whole of Darkfall (even on paper) and still had to cut features.
Consider that, while reading the lead developers comments from Darkfall about other Triple A titles, and how they will be, and are far superior to them, as well as a large dash of insuilts to thoes games and devlopers, and the perspective painting will be complete.
Also, "one thousand copy's when the store is open" is a number you pulled out your ass.
With all due respect, no one was waiting with bated breath for Darkfall's release because of an out of game trade system or weather effects. They were waiting for a game that had full PVP, with full looting, based around a skill based system. This is what Darkfall delivered. While I welcome any new things they add to the game, none of those features that didn't make release would have swayed me from my decision to purchase the product. I don't see the point in giving a game good or bad marks because several line items were pushed back beyond release. The game should get good or bad marks for what it is. You saw a lot of this mentality back when Age of Conan was first released. The game was fairly poor on many accounts and people were giving it high marks for "what it will be in the future". Darkfall is the exact opposite. If they added things like out of game trading and weather effects, the full PVP, full loot, skill based game is just the same as it was the day before. They simply would have made the game a little nicer, and a little more convenient.
Actually they started at 1,000 copies a day, and later increased it once they had some queueing problems resolved (which coincidentally is the reason they had closed the store for an entire week as I had mentioned in a previous post). Will they ever release true numbers? Who knows. I do know they they claim the servers can handle 10k people on at one time, with a 50k player capacity. Since we are still at one server, one could infer they are less than this figure.
The bottom line here is that as a game correspondant my game is to report about the game. More specifically, the content you purchase when you buy the game. Knocking the game for missing features is just as silly as praising a game for promised features that have not yet been implemented. My overviews will exclusively cover what features currently exist in the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
-Andy Cormier
In your opinion....
Myself and quite a few others on the official forums have held off in buying the game for exactly those reasons. When they are able to provide the game that they said they would... then we may purchase it.
Please do not try and speak for the entire DarkFall community. Represent your experiences and your opinion. When you say things like:
"no one was waiting..."
It will be wrong no matter what you follow it with.
Thanks.
I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
There is no disregard for the lack of professionalism. It exists. They are an indie company with limited resources and in specific areas like billing, purchasing, and their website this is very apparent. Part 2 of my overview is already finished, and covers all of these aspects fairly well.
-Andy Cormier
Umm...
When you say things like:
"In regards to the official site, most people know by now to take this with a grain of salt."
That is disregarding it. How else would you interupt that statement?
How is a new player looking at DarkFall on their web-site for the first time supposed to know what is truth and what is not?
THAT is the point.
When you pass it off as flippantly as you did. It shows to many of us that you are willing to give Aventurine a free pass on their blatant disregard for anything approaching professional ethics.
As I said before... I'll read the 2nd article. That will determine if numbers 3-10 are even looked at. From what you have posted in this thread... it's not looking good.
I guess that is one of my main concerns with your "objectiveness".
You seem to regard their blantant disregard for professionalism and accurracy on their official outlet to the public as a flippant joke.
Hopefully you'll not be too upset if we treat your "objective" articles with the same regard.
Yep, only 10% of all MMO players read forums, the only way you would know the official site is wrong, is to read forums, even then you will have to hunt, due to the fans of this game, and the amount of spin they throw out.
Darkfall Developers know this, hence, no update.
And since the upcoming "objective" articles will only cover what is in the game... there will be no mention of the all the false-hoods and blatant deception on the official site.
Hmm... and then some fans wonder why it is that players who buy the game get a bit irritated on the forums when they discover that a ton of the Features listed on the Official site are missing.
What incentive does Aventurine have in changing it's web-site now? None.
Well for starters I would think that once they permanently open the store it may help to add a "buy it now" button on their site, and create some newer news articles on the site so visitors don't think the game is still in beta
. That should help sales I bit I would think.
Very simply, this is really the basis for the overview. By the number of hits on this thread, and the emotions Darkfall seems to be able to extract (almost instantly) from everyone involved, it is quite apparent that Darkfall is still a hot topic. When a potential new player wants to find out some info about the game, it's almost impossible to tell fact from fiction, especially since most of the people posting have never even played the game. For anyone on the fence, or just wanting to know more about Darkfall... after all ten parts of my overview are finished, you will have a very good understanding of what this game does, doesnt do, and everything in between. But more importantly this knowledge will come from someone who has been playing the game since it's release almost 6 weeks ago. I have no doubt many readers will decide that based of off what I have to say, this game simply isn't for them. Others will feel reassured this is the style of game they have been waiting so long to see. To each his own. If you feel cheated, or lied too and this is your reason for not purchasing the game, thats ok too. But if full PvP, full looting and a skill based system truly appeals to you, I think you may be missing out on something you would actually enjoy.
That being said, I will see you all in part 2. Take care.
-Andy Cormier
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
-Rogan Blackheart
I all ready explained why its a hot topic. Stop confusing that with popularity.
Are you also aware of the things they said during its 8 years of development?
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Many things have changed over the years. I remember when they talked about if they should have gunners and loaders for the cannons. In the end they just went with "magic" does it.
We will see what the patches will do : )
Not sure you are being fair about your postings, Blood.
You claim only so many care about Darkfall here and this is the only place people show interest. But if someone was to check your post history, I bet you probably have 500 postings on the Darkfall threads, all negative. Now the negative part isn't really important as everyone has a right to post their mind I say. It's the fact that you've posted THAT many times daily on a game you say "no one cares about". Right now you aren't interested in playing it, but you post as much as you do there shows you DO have quite an interest in Darkfall. I would say the trolls on the forums here have more of an actual interest in Darkfall than the fanbois do, although for a different reason altogether. (not calling you a troll)
There also aren't tons of sites following EVE or similar games that do okay, so it's not a fair assessment to say since there aren't five or six sites following Darkfall, no one cares about it at all. Half the trolls on their forums and here show you that you are wrong about that one. There's probably a 4-1 ratio of troll to fanboy.
About the edits: I wouldn't blame it all on the double postings. Your first post was a one line post that you got rebuffed on. Then you went back and altered it way AFTER it was responded to to make it look less "snarky" and you actually were commenting on the substance of the link. Again, its quite ironic to claim there is little interest in Darkfall when you yourself follow everything about the game so closely.
I had just seen this.
I, am not the whole of the MMO playing world. I, also, am an advanced user in this regard. I study MMO's, the good and the bad, there is also not many that i haven't played to some point or another.
I am by no means a representative of the whole, and am a special case in most regards anyway. Red the sig.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Not talking about game features. I am talking about the outright smack talk. They seemed to think they were David and Goliath, but simply got stepped on by themselves, by biting off more than they can chew.
They stepped into the big boy arena, in the end they could not even muster the entry fee.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
so you are saying that the website is not up to date, not accurate, and that everyone who reads it should take it for a grain of salt? gee....new players who dont read forums but buy the game are gonna be in for an awakening....
and fair and objective my ***....keep making excuses for em. If this was any other company (funcom, ccp, soe, etc) these same fanbois would be ripping them a new one.....but because its AV and Darkfall (don't gimme that small indie company crap either) you just overlook it......nice.
Probably simply because, for some, the game is actually a lot of fun.
For others, well, those opinions are irrelevant anyway...
Editorial content is fine but when it's paid advertising and developer press releases posing as editorial content then there is a problem.
PS. Emm are you a MO dev that is pissed because your game isnt hyped at all by this site? or should i say any site? Sorry but i couldnt help it
Nope, I'm just a fan of the mmorpg genre who is sad to see a once great website become nothing more than a marketing tool for developers.
Based on the first part they will have Adventurine's marketing bullet points regurgitated into a ten part "overview".
In my opinion, most of the people that frequent these threads, [for both sides of the argument] are really just here for the trainwreck. Many of us don't care either way if Darkfall lives or dies. We just wanna watch. [Without having to pay for it or jump through the hoops of electronic stores that might open or might not.]
[Boring] Full Loot PvP and "l33t hax0rz" cheating don't matter in the end. This is all just one big Jerry Springer episode that we can each read in our free time. It's fun, plain and simple.
P.S. if anybody wants "their game" to get a 10 article overview, just submit a damn article. I bet they'd publish the damn thing. I don't know why folks whine so much about "why doesn't X game get this much coverage?" They just need people to write the article, and then there wouldn't be a need for complaints about it. Hell, I'd actually enjoy reading an article about a game besides EQ 1 or 2, WoW, LoTRo, Darfall, UO, EVE, or ANOTHER friggin SWG NGE sob-story! Remember, this site can't put out an article nobody is willing to write.
What Happened With SWG Went Down YEARS AGO! Please Try To Stop Whining About It In Every Thread I Read. Mourn It, And Finally MOVE ON With Your Lives! Thanks A Heap.
Based on the first part they will have Adventurine's marketing bullet points regurgitated into a ten part "overview".
I read his overview.
I believe that it is an accurate portrayal of the game.
If you disagree, I would like to know what, in fact, you feel was inaccurately represented.
And still, MMORPG.com have published many Overviews about many MMOs. The games i dont like, i dont read the overviews. Why does so many that dont like Darkfall read this? I would never read anything about WoW, because i dont like WoW. There would be no point for me to read it and say i didnt think MMORPG.com should post it....because i dont like it!
Noone forces you to read this. Its your own "fault" if you do.
Since i play DF, im looking forward to read this, both good and bad. I have no problem with either. As many seems to have.
Really? Where are they? Searching the site for overview brings up this article and 100+ features and news items with overviews of certain aspects of different games (pvp overview, gear overview, class overview, etc.) but there is no other game overview like this one. Stradden was very quick to point out that this wasn't a review or even a preview but an overview...why the distinction?
The definitions as I see them would be:
Review: Grading the game as it stands at any given point in time
Preview: Giving snippets of a product that has yet to be released (like a movie preview)
Overview: General features and benefits of a released product (like if I had recorded myself playing the game and was explaining it to you as I was doing it)
So instead of doing 10 different overviews (PVP Overview, Combat Overview, etc), I chose to simply lump them all together into a 10 part overview. Either way you really get the same amount of info.
The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management.
-Rogan Blackheart
Ive always played games like this and becouse ive follow it sinds 2003 i had to play it, how could i resist not playing my kind of game:)
But ive played first the beta and already was very dissapointed with so many things not implemented and so many flawed gameplay, i first desided to wait before buying this game.
But after 4 weeks after launch i bought game and start playing.
Game for me is still better then playing most other mmorpg's.
But its a huge grind even worse then lineage2, and i dont exploit or macro anything im a pure player who progres naturally, so it takes a very very long time to rais skills to hundred and to get any decent gear or weapons is a pain.
This game is just simply lvl based nomatter how you wanne call it they just chance it into skill lvls but bottom line is you lvl skills up to 100 and it seems endless becouse you need to lvl many many skills to hundred and with huge amount of regeants needed to lvl magic or arrows to lvl range with bows is enormous also have to grind weeks to get mats.
Its also item based same as lineage2 or wow gear is very importend AV always its not realy that importend but it makes a huge differents also skills at 100 makes a huge differents.
Most first day launch players kick all players who came after 4 weeks and asses are kicked so easely its rediculous no chance at all no matter how skilled you are a avarage player with skills at 100 and rigor 100 will kick that asses dmg skilled newbee player 10 to 12dmg a avarage player that exploited rigor bug combat bug makes 40 to 50 dmg with magic or bows melee polearm around 30dmg maybe even higher but thats what i saw most.
After a few weeks already clans where wearing dragon armor highest armor you can get there unbeateble most of time.
Devs and many fans like me always said over years we hated games like wow and lineage2 well Darkfall is ITEM BASED like those games.
I still play it and keep playing there are luckely enough things to do in Darkfall that make up for bad grind and farming and lvl based and item based this game 100% is, and thats PVP with full loot.
I solo so its just much harder then join clan but i go on my daily adventures as mahirim mostly to alfar areas like most sub conitents like rubaiyat are 100% occupide by alfar only clans and have blast gank them even solo.
Its a shame there is so much exploiting macroing afk (i report them but it seems so wide spread that it won't help:( )
Alignment system supports pk griefing there is no room for anti's this game there non factor its all about alliance versus alliance's even small clans dont have much impact many are binds in savezone citys(bah never thought i would see that in darkfall:( ) and protected by STARWARS LASER TOWERS.
Good thing i play this game is full loot and im rather free to do what i want and not stick to a class but thats about it.
World looks greats but buildings looks old from 6 years ago, sounds are still terible.
I still have hope that Darkfall becomes better this game is a payed BETA with many flawes and even crashes.
But im a fan of these games so i keep playing it but im not realy satisfied how game realy is its not what devs have promised over years, but maybe future it becomes better.
First server is just a test server i hope second server is much better becouse already many exploits are not posible any more like in short time get rigor to 100(very importend skill to get high).
Cya ingame:)
PS:I know i solo so its much harder then join a clan and get some skills or mats much faster so my little command on game is purely based on solo play:)
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Good post Evasia, pretty much describes the game in a nutshell. I commend you for trying to do it the right way.
The cheating is pervasive. Anyone that comes here and says that few do it, is wearing blinders. This game so far, is a exploiters and cheaters paradise. The Aventurine staff are working hard to close loopholes and fix problems, but they have a long way to go. The problem they face is that this current server is already contaminated by all the exploits and cheats. I hope the Aventurine staff can turn this game around before they launch more servers.
Even though after quite a bit of research I've decided to wait for a Client price drop and a trial to be released this article has interested me.
Has it interested me enough to go buy a 50 buck client from an Indy developer and pay 15 bucks a month on a game with a very low population? not with out a trial first.
I enjoyed the review and look forward to the rest of the article. I hope you guys go more indepth with the crafting and alliance mechanics. I already know the "gank anyone anytime" aspect of the game and tbh i've been playing games like that for 10+ years so its not a selling point for me.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom