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Faxxer
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http://rabble.ca/news/2009/04/declaration-cuman%C3%A1-capitalism-threatens-life-planet
Well since all these dictators agree...it must be so. right libs?
quote of SOME of the link...
"We, the Heads of State and Government of Bolivia, Cuba, Dominica, Honduras, Nicaragua and Venezuela, member countries of ALBA, consider that the Draft Declaration of the 5th Summit of the Americas is insufficient and unacceptable for the following reasons:
- The Declaration does not provide answers to the Global Economic Crisis, even though this crisis constitutes the greatest challenge faced by humanity in the last decades and is the most serious threat of the current times to the welfare of our peoples.
- The Declaration unfairly excludes Cuba, without mentioning the consensus in the region condemning the blockade and isolation to which the people and the government of Cuba have incessantly been exposed in a criminal manner.
For this reason, we, the member countries of ALBA believe that there is no consensus for the adoption of this draft declaration because of the reasons above stated, and accordingly, we propose to hold a thorough debate on the following topics:
1. Capitalism is leading humanity and the planet to extinction. ..... " end quote
be sure to read all of it so you can see WHOM they get this inpired declaramer from eh?
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Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!
More static..... Move along....nothing to see here.
Irony: Capitalism is leading humanity to extinction because they won't allow us to trade.
No no no, not being able to think for yourself is a conservative trait, not a liberal one.
Conservative: Let the individual decide how to run every aspect of their life.
Liberal: Allow the government to control several parts of a persons life.
Much less thought for the individual going the Liberal Route if you ask me. Although the lawmakers think more, their followers think less.
Except for who they marry, what type of science is taught in their schools, what they can put in their bodies, what they can research, etc.
Hmmm....
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Thats not Conservative, thats Republican. Conservative is about limited government intervention. Saying you can't do something aside from making excess laws is pretty much against what it means.
Careful, you're likely to get that "Republican and conservative are the same thing" argument as a comeback.
www.youtube.com/watch
Except for who they marry, what type of science is taught in their schools, what they can put in their bodies, what they can research, etc.
Hmmm....
Ironically, often and as with the cases of marriage, the environment and evolution do you see some conservative types being all for government intervention and regulation of life. And those are areas where intervention of the government in daily life can actually be observed.
For posters like the OP though, who're terrified to death by their daily rightwing blogrolls, they can't list one single example in their own personal lives of how they've been effected by what they're afraid of; be it child soldiers in their neighborhood, their places of employment nationalized or whatever the fear of the day is.
Alas, it's always been a myth that the right are advocates of small government and liberties.
Except for who they marry, what type of science is taught in their schools, what they can put in their bodies, what they can research, etc.
Hmmm....
Ironically, often and as with the cases of marriage, the environment and evolution do you see some conservative types being all for government intervention and regulation of life. And those are areas where intervention of the government in daily life can actually be observed.
For posters like the OP though, who're terrified to death by their daily rightwing blogrolls, they can't list one single example in their own personal lives of how they've been effected by what they're afraid of; be it child soldiers in their neighborhood, their places of employment nationalized or whatever the fear of the day is.
Alas, it's always been a myth that the right are advocates of small government and liberties.
well the taxes that obama is going to let expire will directly affect me, as will cap and trade. his military cuts are going to affect my military town and thus my own business...
some myth huh
edit... but i love how not one of yo libs answer for the fact that these absolute dictators that kill anyone in their way believe EXACTLY like you do. way to not face reality, but rather call me chatter and noise.. good one.
Careful, you're likely to get that "Republican and conservative are the same thing" argument as a comeback.
I know their not the same. I still meant what I said.
And you know damn well that republican = conservative 99% of the time. Although you guys like to define conservative differently to keep yourself away from the republican party because you know how bad they've screwed up.
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No, it doesn't. The Republicans began getting out of touch with conservatives as Reagan left office. If Republican equaled conservative 99% of the time, the TARP would not have passed.
No, it doesn't. The Republicans began getting out of touch with conservatives as Reagan left office. If Republican equaled conservative 99% of the time, the TARP would not have passed.
Ok so in summary
Conservate does not equal republican
But
Liberal = Socialist?
I see how you guys work.
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Careful, you're likely to get that "Republican and conservative are the same thing" argument as a comeback.
...to keep yourself away from the republican party because you know how bad they've screwed up.
Well I can't argue with you there. The Republicans are starting to approach the Democrats on the screw-up scale.
calling our entire government, society, economy, legislature, etc... with one broad term (socialism or capitalism) fails to capture the entirety of our systems. There are many individual aspects and using broad terms to incorporate all of the aspects never works. Not to mention that there are many different definitions of socialism and capitalism, especially in our current era.
Yet conversations, polls, etc... continue to use broad, interchangeable definitions for the benefit of people who can only take their politics in blurbs and dumb people who wouldnt understand anyways.
as if I should even have to type all this out. simplifying the entire government and related institutions into unclear terms that went by different meanings in the past is always going to be FAIL
Except for who they marry, what type of science is taught in their schools, what they can put in their bodies, what they can research, etc.
Hmmm....
Ironically, often and as with the cases of marriage, the environment and evolution do you see some conservative types being all for government intervention and regulation of life. And those are areas where intervention of the government in daily life can actually be observed.
For posters like the OP though, who're terrified to death by their daily rightwing blogrolls, they can't list one single example in their own personal lives of how they've been effected by what they're afraid of; be it child soldiers in their neighborhood, their places of employment nationalized or whatever the fear of the day is.
Alas, it's always been a myth that the right are advocates of small government and liberties.
well the taxes that obama is going to let expire will directly affect me, as will cap and trade. his military cuts are going to affect my military town and thus my own business...
some myth huh
edit... but i love how not one of yo libs answer for the fact that these absolute dictators that kill anyone in their way believe EXACTLY like you do. way to not face reality, but rather call me chatter and noise.. good one.
So you're a wealthy guy that runs a weapons factory that needs to permit its pollution?
How does Obama letting the Bush tax cuts expire effect you personally? How does Obama's tax cuts to your more than likely actual economic level not effect you?
How does cap and trade effect you personally? What is your business?
And yes, it's all "some myth" until you ever explain otherwise. But of course you won't.
As for Americans answering for that article; why should we? We didn't author it's contents nor do we believe in the destruction of capitalism. So pretty easy to face reality as far as that goes.
Your downfall has been foreseen. Join forces with us or perish, there is no other way. European socialism FTW !
Why would the US want to be a European Socialist? Its not like we could anyway, Europe and Japan rely heavily on the prosperity of the US to keep their socialist programs alive. The first thing European Nations did when the economic downturn happened is blame the US because they are so deeply embeded in our market. Then told us what to do.
Just more fear mongering. Can someone tell me when the last time the US was a true conservative? Why are people just now complaining about this stuff?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
because my friend, Obama is moving as fast as he possibly can with the aid of the media to get there. At least the clintons were too scared to do it...but obama is smiling and rolling the stuff on us without a single public debate.
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Its easier to be a socialist. You don't have to work, vote, or be held responsibile for anything. You just blame the rich neighbor who doesn't distribute his wealth(sound like Europe, China, Africa and Venezuela?). Yea, you know the guy who works 60 hours a week, and risked his fortune to get where he is.
The thing I find disturbing is that more than 35% of Americans pay no tax, and actually get massive refunds due to EIC. An increasing trend, btw. I'm glad my taxes are going to irresponsible people who can't afford to have kids. Oh, yes they can, because millions of Americans work so damn hard to feed them, so they can grow up to act like daddy and mommy. Capitalism has been dying for a long time.
Except for who they marry, what type of science is taught in their schools, what they can put in their bodies, what they can research, etc.
Hmmm....
Ironically, often and as with the cases of marriage, the environment and evolution do you see some conservative types being all for government intervention and regulation of life. And those are areas where intervention of the government in daily life can actually be observed.
For posters like the OP though, who're terrified to death by their daily rightwing blogrolls, they can't list one single example in their own personal lives of how they've been effected by what they're afraid of; be it child soldiers in their neighborhood, their places of employment nationalized or whatever the fear of the day is.
Alas, it's always been a myth that the right are advocates of small government and liberties.
well the taxes that obama is going to let expire will directly affect me, as will cap and trade. his military cuts are going to affect my military town and thus my own business...
some myth huh
edit... but i love how not one of yo libs answer for the fact that these absolute dictators that kill anyone in their way believe EXACTLY like you do. way to not face reality, but rather call me chatter and noise.. good one.
So you're a wealthy guy that runs a weapons factory that needs to permit its pollution?
How does Obama letting the Bush tax cuts expire effect you personally? How does Obama's tax cuts to your more than likely actual economic level not effect you?
How does cap and trade effect you personally? What is your business?
And yes, it's all "some myth" until you ever explain otherwise. But of course you won't.
As for Americans answering for that article; why should we? We didn't author it's contents nor do we believe in the destruction of capitalism. So pretty easy to face reality as far as that goes.
1. the bush tax cuts are going to affect me directly when they expire. housing business. capital gains taxes.
2. you don't know what cap and trade is if you have to ask me that question.
here's one of your liberal democrat guys telling you what it is...
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/325633.html
I like how he is very confident that "nobody in the country realized that cap and trade is..." -- i'll let the democrat finish the sentence.
so take your myth [nonsense] with you
edit: unless wealthy to you is making 100k or around that
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1. Again, you're throwing out the most generic of terms and claiming they affect you, but can't say HOW they personally affect you. Nor can you explain how Obama's tax cuts and other budget concerns somehow DON'T effect you.
Don't avoid the issue; explain how you yourself are effected in your day to day life.
2. Right, the ol' "I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm going to accuse you of not knowing what you're talking about" ruse. I simply asked you to explain how cap and trade legislation has effected you in your day to day life. It's existed for over a decade now; how has that legislation effected you in your day to day life? How will any new legislation effect you?
Alas, you avoid any personal accounts of how any of this affects you personally; I repeat my request for you to explain, and will consider any further backing down admission to your inability to do anything but post links you misinterpret any way you feel like with one clause of effort.
Sepher here is how it will affect me personally. Lets start with TARP, and the $3 Trillion budget. So far $2 Trillion in deficit spending is being allocated to economic stimulation. Ontop of it his proposed budget has a $600 billion deficit. This equates to $2.6 trillion in either debt or inflation this year. As debt it would only take a couple decades until the amount of interest would be more then national revenue. It would take less then a decade to be more the discretionary spending. Its simply irresponsible and would force the US into bankruptcy. Now I don't know about you, but having your country go bankrupt would definetly affect me. I don't want to lose my property, my paychecks, and my livelihood because of irresponsible politicians. If they just print more money, I wouldn't enjoy paying $20 for a bottle of Soda.
2nd are his new tax proposals that do not properly take into account tax history or even Clintons Tax Policy that Obama says he is emulating. He said he will be reducing income taxes for 95% of americans, while raising the upper income taxes by 5%. However, in reality this method does not work at generating more tax revenue as can clearly be seen with federal earnings based on GDP during times when taxes for upper income were over 90%, and lower income brackets nothing. The upper bracket just goes into hedgefunds or finds ways to reduce their reportable earnings in order not to pay the excise taxes. In order to garner more federal income you have to raise income taxes universally. If he wanted Clintons 20.5% of GDP earnings for the fed he would have to use Clintons Income tax policies on all brackets which would mean a tax increase on all brackets. Another fact that is shown with income taxes in correlation to the upper income bracket is that every 1% its decreased, the GDP increases by 2%. More trade always helps boost the economy.
Also the increase on payroll taxes and cap and trade taxes will also take its toll. The thing about payroll taxes is that your employer pays taxes on behalf that is not seen on your paystub. The money they pay would otherwise have been paid towards your salary. This sometimes accumulates to 6% of your total salary. These taxes go to pay for things most americans will not be able to use because the programs are badly written. Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment. Nearly all that money is wasted just paying for the administration of these programs and scammers. Social Security age for instance will most likely be 90 by the time I can use social security. Cap and trade on the other hand is simply a bogus tax to earn money for the government. In every instance it has been implemented it has failed miserably, and as a tax it does not help protect the planet since CO2 emissions at best minimally affect climate, but probably doesn't affect climate at all. The idea of cap and trade is like taxing a persons breathing, and yes such a tax will bring excessive costs back to the consumer me.
Lastly, I would like to mention why I do not like federal spending. People act like federal spending is going to affect them. However, aside from the military, post office, and highway system currently, very few americans actually stand to be able to use most of these federal programs. Most of that money is wasted in creating the workforce and on beaurocracy. Nearly all the government programs that people encounter are state run and far more effecient with your tax dollars.