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LordChaos2
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in Everquest II
I made a post about EQ2 and now it seems to be gone...so this is the kind of forum where constructive critizism and opinions are not welcome? We have to write "OMG, I love this game and everything in it" for our threads to be allowed?
Or did my thread just get moved somewhere else or do I have a setting wrong on this forum...weird.
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While it might have been moved, what happens most frequently to me is a "black hole."
I always copy my post into the scrap prior to hitting submit. Well, "always" is wrong - it still bites me from time to time.
Did it take you to your new post after you hit submit? If not, it was lost.
Yeah I noticed the "WoW vs EQ2" thread from yesterday got deleted too, probably because EQ2 was definitely not coming out on top, whichever way you looked at it.
Things like this are making me wonder if the guys who run this website are getting paid by SOE, or if it's just some kind of childish grudge. The lacklustre preview for WoW being a case in point.
It was a big thread thats been up for days and then it was gone...weird.
I really think this place has great potential where all MMORPGs can kinda face off...but I am starting to wonder a bit, the "buy items, chars, ingame money" commercials on the main page made me kinda wonder too...why would they advertise for companies that break MMORPG rules?
But back to topic...we are not allowed to say our opinion about EQ2?
That thread was deleted because 20 new WoW vs. EQ2 threads are posted every day.
And the mods are deleting any threads that are just full of mindless flames and that sort.. I don't know what thread you're talking about.
And about the buying/selling on the forums/site.. a mod said awhile ago they did a poll that asked what people thought of ads on this site, and apparently most people didn't care.
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Chances are the threads that weren't "EQ2 vs WoW" were deleted for NDA violations. Which you should be warned if you're in the beta and post stuff here that you shouldn't, there's a good chance you'll lose your beta account, it's already happened to a couple people.
As for the "WoW vs EQ2" stuff those ALWAYS just degrade into a flame war and we delete them pretty much as soon as they pop up, basically defusing the bomb before it explodes.
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Seriously?
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Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
[quote]Originally posted by nooblet[/b]Seriously?
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No, of course not seriously. Why would it be up to MMORPG.COM to uphold the NDA of a third party? It wouldn't.
The reason the post was deleted was because they didn't like what it said.
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Who said it was US upholdign the NDA? You don't think SOE snoops around in forums outside of their own looking for NDA infringements?
And please, show us where we've deleted posts just because we didn't like what was said? Not that we don't have every right to, considering your Freedom of Speech has no grounds here. But in all honesty we are in my opinion one of the most liberal forums out there as far as what we'll let slide and what we won't.
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Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Again, no.
It's not up to an independent website to uphold the NDA of a third-party game developer.
Why would MMORPG.COM delete posts that went against the NDA of a company that has nothing to do with them? Unless they were getting paid by them that is.
Actually, I've seen the Mods get rid of violators all the time. Usually the person will just get a warning telling them to edit their post in order to get rid of any violating info. If they don't fix it or the thread keeps on going the Mods will delete it. At this point, if the violator still insists on posting about the classified info they'll usually get banned. Yeah, MMORPG.com may not have an obligation to get rid of such posts, they have good reason to. Like Rhoklaw said; it just reflects poorly on the website when there are 50 threads violating the NDAs of large gaming companies that often are nice of enough to give the website accounts for contests.
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Its not about what you just said, its about what you said being a mindless and opinionated rant.
Ok.... Then this conversation becomes one where we discuss whether it's right for a third-party website to uphold the NDAs of all the games it reports....
Personally, that's not something that would interest me. I'm interested in free speech, especially when game developers have something to hide.
Let me bring closure to this topic.
MMORPG.com will assist ALL game companies in upholding their NDA's. WoW does not have an NDA for their beta test - so we don't report such things...so don't preach the favoritism thing...cause it won't fly here.
Last week I reported 2 users to SOE for talking about the beta test on our boards. I have done it in the past during many betas including L2, CoH, AC2 and many others. Being in beta is a PRIVLEDGE - not a chance to bash a game using inside information that you should keep to yourself per your legal contract with the game company.
On a side note - I have also instructed my staff to delete any topics on a game specific forum that try to bash a game with reference to another game - examples being:
- WoW sucks, EQ is so much better! <- not allowed
- This game sucks because it does not support PvP and the graphics are no good <- this is ok
Sorry, these are the rules
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It's very simple:
1) We can't report on all the games we cover without assistance from the Game Devs.
2) Said Game Devs are FAR less likely to give us the assistance we need if we don't help uphold their NDAs.
3) Said Game Devs are FAR less likely to give us beta accounts and such for contests if we don't help uphold their NDAs.
Therefore it is in our best interest to help the Game Devs when we can by upholding their NDAs. It is also in you, the members, best interest that we do also, if we didn't, we wouldn't have all the great contests we do.
EDIT: Damn, beat to the punch by da boss.
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Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
EverQuest II will rock.
You tell 'im pa!
So if a company released an NDA saying you must preface your name with "Scotum-head" you would uphold that NDA, simply because it's an NDA.... OK....
Calll me Mr Ignorant, but I didn't realise I was posting on the one corner of the web where freedom of speech takes a back seat to what game developers want you to say, where the people who run the forum will stamp down their foot in order to enforce whatever unnecessary rules are deemed appropriate. I've suspected for a long time that this site was run by people with no balls. Thanks for the evidence.
Go read your constitution again, you are guaranteed no freedom of speech here. Your constitutional right to Freedom of Speech only applies to the government restricting it, not a place like this. We are perfectly legally allowed to dictate what we allow to be discussed here.
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Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
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Questioning the integrity of the people who run this website is pointless.
The fact is if they do not play by the rules then they do not get the scoop. Do you really think a game like SOE is going to give this website beta accounts for contest prizes if they are not willing to enforce the NDA that comes along with it? Lets be realistic shall we.
On the other hand one has EVERY right to question the integrity of a game developer that feels the need to hide behind an NDA in order to shield their product from the masses so that they might release it to consumers who will have no Idea what they are buying.
This shady tactic that SOE uses on every game they develop should be what we are questioning. Not the people who are bound by lawful constraints to uphold this unethical practice.
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Actually it was only recently that games starting to not use NDAs, it has been common practice forever now, and only recently has it started to not be the norm.
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Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
The reason for NDA is because the game is not what it will be at release. For example, in lineage II beta it was very laggy. If word got out to other people, they wouldn't have bought it. However, at release they had adressed the problem and the game played smooth (Not that the game was good or anything
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What i'm saying is SOE is not trying to "hide" using their NDA. They simply have problems in the game they are still trying to fix before release. They don't want players to judge too quickly.
EverQuest II will rock.
Just because something is historically common does not negate the fact that it is unethical.
The use of an NDA is to me a license to prey on consumers. The developers and game sites give us hints and hype about what may "Possibly " be in the game as though it were set in stone. Then when we go out to buy the game having never played nor heard the opinions of those who have played it. We end up getting a completely different product than what available information had led us to believe.
The fact is People will feel more confident in their purchase if the developer of the product is open and honest about what they are trying to sell them.
SOE has always used this tactic because being open and honest is not what they are interested in.
SOE is only interested in our money and when they have it the consumer becomes insubstantial.
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Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.