I'm debating between this or Final fantasy. I love the idea that Vanguard is one big immerse world that has no instances (correct me if i'm wrong), but it has that annoying quest grind that FF doesn't have.
One question, why is the game not that popular even though they fixed most of the bugs? At release, all I heard was how good the game could have been if it wasn't so buggy...well it's not now but it's still low populated, correct? Someone sell me here!
I'm debating between this or Final fantasy. I love the idea that Vanguard is one big immerse world that has no instances (correct me if i'm wrong), but it has that annoying quest grind that FF doesn't have. One question, why is the game not that popular even though they fixed most of the bugs? At release, all I heard was how good the game could have been if it wasn't so buggy...well it's not now but it's still low populated, correct? Someone sell me here!
There are no instances. The closest thing is six copies of Ancient Port Warehouse to accommodate the number of players. For example, our guild raids in shard 5 and typically only have 1 or 2 other guilds in there at the same time with us. When a particular shard exceeds 70-80 players the performance suffers (usually the last guild in will leave if their presence crowds the shard to much). As long as guilds coorperate and communicate the wings they will be raiding this usually isn't an issue. In fact, guilds can cooperate to benefit different goals such as the time we cleared Zaygius's protectors in order to get to Kotasoth...... this helped the guild in behind us as they were able to kill Zaygius without having to kill all his protectors.
Even various events are non-instanced. Our guild was helping a few folks through the Chath encounter as part of the Griffon quest. Only one group can enter the event at a time. But even then, it is non-instanced. After I buffed them and they went in, I decided to go check out a partially completed guildhall in the same area. When I was on the ground floor of that guild hall, I could hear the group I just buffed fighting Chath below me because Chath is in a very small dungeon that actually ends up below this particular guild hall.
Even a simple crafting quest I recently completed resulted in the exposure of some subversives in New Targonor and it played out in the streets for other players passing by to watch.
With regard to bugs and performance. The majority of bugs have been fixed, although you can find a few annoying ones still around. Vanguard can still bring a PC to its knees if your rig is older than 3-4 years or so. I know a number of folks that are running on very high settings with PCs 2-years or newer and others that have incredible performance with economy builds in the $300-$400 range. Dual core processor, GPU no older than 3 generations, 4 gigs of ram and a fast HDD are pretty much required for the game.
I'm debating between this or Final fantasy. I love the idea that Vanguard is one big immerse world that has no instances (correct me if i'm wrong), but it has that annoying quest grind that FF doesn't have. One question, why is the game not that popular even though they fixed most of the bugs? At release, all I heard was how good the game could have been if it wasn't so buggy...well it's not now but it's still low populated, correct? Someone sell me here!
FFXI just has a grind grind... you like that better? I don't know, I get sick of FFXI because you have to sit for hours at a time before you get a group and you cannot play until you find a group, past level 13 or so. VG you can solo easily if people aren't around and "quest grind" as you say or you can just meetup with some other people and just explore the massive world and do all the low level dungeons that only need 2-3 people to get the first few questions done, then more people to finish the whole dungeon.
I think a lot of people still have a bad taste in their mouth from the release and don't want to give it another chance. Then they might have to admit that it has actually turned into a good MMO after they have been bashing it for months/years.
I'm debating between this or Final fantasy. I love the idea that Vanguard is one big immerse world that has no instances (correct me if i'm wrong), but it has that annoying quest grind that FF doesn't have. One question, why is the game not that popular even though they fixed most of the bugs? At release, all I heard was how good the game could have been if it wasn't so buggy...well it's not now but it's still low populated, correct? Someone sell me here!
FFXI just has a grind grind... you like that better? I don't know, I get sick of FFXI because you have to sit for hours at a time before you get a group and you cannot play until you find a group, past level 13 or so. VG you can solo easily if people aren't around and "quest grind" as you say or you can just meetup with some other people and just explore the massive world and do all the low level dungeons that only need 2-3 people to get the first few questions done, then more people to finish the whole dungeon.
I do like grinding if it's anything like EQ1. I honestly just like being in a group more than anything. I want to avoid soloing as much as possible since it's rather boring and lonely to me.
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I'm debating between this or Final fantasy. I love the idea that Vanguard is one big immerse world that has no instances (correct me if i'm wrong), but it has that annoying quest grind that FF doesn't have. One question, why is the game not that popular even though they fixed most of the bugs? At release, all I heard was how good the game could have been if it wasn't so buggy...well it's not now but it's still low populated, correct? Someone sell me here!
FFXI just has a grind grind... you like that better? I don't know, I get sick of FFXI because you have to sit for hours at a time before you get a group and you cannot play until you find a group, past level 13 or so. VG you can solo easily if people aren't around and "quest grind" as you say or you can just meetup with some other people and just explore the massive world and do all the low level dungeons that only need 2-3 people to get the first few questions done, then more people to finish the whole dungeon.
I do like grinding if it's anything like EQ1. I honestly just like being in a group more than anything. I want to avoid soloing as much as possible since it's rather boring and lonely to me.
I'll tell you this much.
I enjoy the combat system in VG much more than FFXI. FFXI is more of a "sit back and watch" thing. VG is more "action" oriented. I LIKE the FFXI combat system in a group. But it can be very boring and tedious if your a healer or someone that just sort of "stands" there. On top of that, FFXI requires that you group for literally everything. Fields of Valor is about the only thing you can do "leveling wise" that you can solo. Even now that they have level sync, at level 24 I was sitting around for and hr or more waiting on a group.. and I was a white mage. Even still, its changed because instead of seeing all of a level zone.. you'll stay in the same zones forever since there are certain hotspots that everyone likes to level sync in. You'll see 70s leveling in noob areas.. and that just seems off to me. If you have something else to do while you wait around.. maybe its worth it.. but if thats the case.. why not just do that instead? Also, end game in FFXI requires very long stretches of time in one sitting.
VG has a good mix of group and solo stuff, so you can always jump right in. But its not "easy" like WoW.
I'm on the isle of dawn.. and the earth den.. pwned me beyond all belief. The further down I went, the harder it became to stay alive. Thats more fun to me than pulling mob after mob standing in one spot..
If I want to play a game with a great storyline.. I'll do what I am doing now and play FF7.
VG lets you create the story and decide how you play.
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Anything could happen, we never thought WoW could be so successful . So why can't a game that failed at launch make a comeback and be recognized as a great game?
I KNEW WoW was a hit and posted about it. Just the stupid EQ crowd was to dumb to see it. Vanguard flopped and no one wants to play, stop lying to people about any so called revival, it is NOT happening.
Wow the anger on this site just gets worse with time. WOW is wonderful and everyone who plays something else is stupid. There now can we all be friends ?
I went back - and quit again about 30 mins later. The character models are terrible with animations match. I made my new character and started the first quest. Instantly the combat felt disjointed, animations and skills just didn't seem to match up. Animations were not correctly matched to run speed so I would skate ( only slightly but it was enough to notice). I just couldn't play. I don't care much about graphics but I need my character to look like they are part of the world and Vanguard failed in that respect. There may be an amazing game in there somewhere but I couldn't play it.
EQ2 had a crap start and has recovered to be a great game, maybe Vanguard will follow. AO did the same thing.
the recent hype talked me into logging back in this week and making a few characters on the trial island. I have to say the performance seems to be on par with most other games I have played now with only a handful actually beating it. the handful of course being the usual WoW, Lotro, and the other big hits.
as far as fantasy games go, it has probably the best character customization options. Also, with it's large number of classes and races there are hundreds of possilbe combinations to try out.
Graphically speaking I put it above WoW but under Lotro, however if I had a better PC it might just climb to the top of the pile.
I love that there are no instances. For me I prefer to either have all or nothing when it comes to instancing (all for story heavy games).
I also, love all the features it offers. This game has it all.
I really challenge everyone who hasn't played it in months to log back in one more time and give it a serious try. I used to believe like so many others that this game was padding for the station pass, but now I know better. I believe it has simply taken the devs this long with a small budget to be able to turn the game in what it has become, and I agree with others who have said the same that if we can increase the population SOE will most likely increae their budget and we could possible see new content.
Do I think it will be some kind of massively successful comeback? Well, I just don't know. Do I think it can continue to improve and grow as a game with a population increase? Absolutely.
The character models are terrible with animations match. I made my new character and started the first quest.
I guess it must come down to taste. I say the characters are average. On-par with EQ2 and LotRO, but better than WoW. The animations, though, are great - the best I have seen.
I Don't care about the history, I don't care what other people say, I don't even care if the community stays small, infact I kind of like it that way.
All I know is this..
I had all but given up on MMO's, I was bored and simply not having fun in any of the "sucessful" games out there. Since sampling the Vanguard trial and now the full game for a few weeks my old passion has been revived. Its fun, its hard, it keeps me coming back for more and thats all I need.
Let the trolls keep flaming away it keeps them outta our community, who needs such short sighted players anyway.
I was commenting last night in guild chat about how it's the first MMO I've played in a while where a mob's con rating is actually an accurate representation of its difficulty.... at least for a soloer, at the lower levels.
I took on the quest to kill the Gataros in Cael Brael (or something like that - the Wood Elf city on the mainland) and at the time, they were yellow to me. I tried to kill one and had to run my butt off to avoid dying. That was awesome. Then I went back to do the quest again when they were white to me, so more on my level. I managed to kill them, but they took out around half my HP at least in each fight... except for the occasional one where I'd get some crits in. I definitely had to watch my back and make sure another one couldn't wander up behind me from a blind spot or I would be toast.
I find dodging aggro to be a significant challenge again, as well. For one, the mobs can knock out your HP quick. For another, they chase you for quite a long time, so if you're not fleet-footed, there's a good chance you're dead before they hit the end of their tether.
At this point, it's not so bad because the death penalty hasn't really kicked in, yet (I think it's level 10 if I'm not mistaken), but already I'm showing a healthy respect for aggressive mobs that I come across where as in certain other MMOs, I would run through them without a second thought, knowing that they'd stop chasing me after 10 seconds and they likely wouldn't do much damage to me anyway along the way.
So, yeah... I'm definitely enjoying that aspect of it and it's nice to see an actual, meaningful, sense of danger in a MMO again, after having played so many where it's a joke.
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I KNEW WoW was a hit and posted about it. Just the stupid EQ crowd was to dumb to see it. Vanguard flopped and no one wants to play, stop lying to people about any so called revival, it is NOT happening.
You knew it would be a hit...but the stupid EQ crowd didn't see it? The stupid EQ game that WoW took many aspects offa? The stupid EQ crowd that helped usher in the MMO era? The stupid EQ crowd that was playing before you were done wetting your bed at night? The stupid EQ crowd, that if not for that stupid crowd, your precious WoW probibly wouldn't have been made. It was that stupid EQ crowd that showed devs that MMOs could make money.
Actually, folks at Blizzard have said flat out that if not for EQ, and the key people having been huge fans of it, WoW would likely have never been made. So that's a historically significant statement.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I Don't care about the history, I don't care what other people say, I don't even care if the community stays small, infact I kind of like it that way.
All I know is this..
I had all but given up on MMO's, I was bored and simply not having fun in any of the "sucessful" games out there. Since sampling the Vanguard trial and now the full game for a few weeks my old passion has been revived. Its fun, its hard, it keeps me coming back for more and thats all I need.
Let the trolls keep flaming away it keeps them outta our community, who needs such short sighted players anyway.
I was commenting last night in guild chat about how it's the first MMO I've played in a while where a mob's con rating is actually an accurate representation of its difficulty.... at least for a soloer, at the lower levels.
I took on the quest to kill the Gataros in Cael Brael (or something like that - the Wood Elf city on the mainland) and at the time, they were yellow to me. I tried to kill one and had to run my butt off to avoid dying. That was awesome. Then I went back to do the quest again when they were white to me, so more on my level. I managed to kill them, but they took out around half my HP at least in each fight... except for the occasional one where I'd get some crits in. I definitely had to watch my back and make sure another one couldn't wander up behind me from a blind spot or I would be toast.
I find dodging aggro to be a significant challenge again, as well. For one, the mobs can knock out your HP quick. For another, they chase you for quite a long time, so if you're not fleet-footed, there's a good chance you're dead before they hit the end of their tether.
At this point, it's not so bad because the death penalty hasn't really kicked in, yet (I think it's level 10 if I'm not mistaken), but already I'm showing a healthy respect for aggressive mobs that I come across where as in certain other MMOs, I would run through them without a second thought, knowing that they'd stop chasing me after 10 seconds and they likely wouldn't do much damage to me anyway along the way.
So, yeah... I'm definitely enjoying that aspect of it and it's nice to see an actual, meaningful, sense of danger in a MMO again, after having played so many where it's a joke.
That is what I like about it too, the danger. I like that they will chase you for a while, that one can take chances but one can also be wiped.
I rarely if ever die in lotro. It's almost a given that I'll live.
In Vanguard there is that sense and thrill of danger that I enjoy.
As far as what others have said about the game having a future, I personally don't care. Probably because I don't live in the future (yet) I live in the present.
At present it is a fun game and it's giving me something that I haven't really as of yet gotten in most mmo's.
There are still issues nothing huge in my opinion but for those who are very critical or have no patience for such stuff they could be. For those who can leave their critic's hat at the door and just immerse themselves it can be a very fun game. If and when it ends I will have all those fond memories of my enjoyment in game.
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Not saying its a wow clone but its core leveling system is just another slay 10 rat quests for exp game. But hey if thats your thing.
Really? Have you not noticed that quests give jack in the way of experience? Seriously, they give the equivalent of an even con mob in experience. They're mostly there for lore. Note, I'm talking Adventurer q's here, although I'm fairly certain the diplomacy and crafting q's also give crap experience, hence the Civic Diplomacy grind and the Work order grind.
I think a lot of people still have a bad taste in their mouth from the release and don't want to give it another chance. Then they might have to admit that it has actually turned into a good MMO after they have been bashing it for months/years.
Is it so good now that you would offer to buy people the game on the condition that if they sub, they have to pay you back but if they don't sub they don't have to pay you? Is it that good now?
Not saying its a wow clone but its core leveling system is just another slay 10 rat quests for exp game. But hey if thats your thing.
Really? Have you not noticed that quests give jack in the way of experience? Seriously, they give the equivalent of an even con mob in experience. They're mostly there for lore. Note, I'm talking Adventurer q's here, although I'm fairly certain the diplomacy and crafting q's also give crap experience, hence the Civic Diplomacy grind and the Work order grind.
I disagree. The adventuring quests give very good XP... The crafting quests also give very good XP, especially the artisian's saga quest line; at level 39 when I started, I went to level 42. There is also 3 diplo quest lines, but I must admit that with diplomacy doing civic diplomacy parleys gains you faster xp.
Not saying its a wow clone but its core leveling system is just another slay 10 rat quests for exp game. But hey if thats your thing.
Really? Have you not noticed that quests give jack in the way of experience? Seriously, they give the equivalent of an even con mob in experience. They're mostly there for lore. Note, I'm talking Adventurer q's here, although I'm fairly certain the diplomacy and crafting q's also give crap experience, hence the Civic Diplomacy grind and the Work order grind.
I disagree. The adventuring quests give very good XP... The crafting quests also give very good XP, especially the artisian's saga quest line; at level 39 when I started, I went to level 42. There is also 3 diplo quest lines, but I must admit that with diplomacy doing civic diplomacy parleys gains you faster xp.
I would also disagree, I have seen some quests that reward anywhere from 500k upwards to a million xp for a turn in especially in the magi hold area. I would really like to see this mob that gives that much xp per kill.
While the core game is actually pretty good now days, the bottom line with VG now is that there just isn't anyone around anymore. I'll clarify that some: There are tons on the newb island, but that filters off unless you find a good core group to level with beyond about 35ish. And even the 20's can be difficult if you play at an odd hour. I have resubbed to this game a dozen times and wished so hard that my friends would stay with me, but it has ended the same every time: Someone core to the group drops and then the group disintigrates. Usually in the 40's. I think I have 5 level 40ish toons now that I just couldn't progress in a satisfying manner beyond about 44 because of this dynamic within VG. Maybe if I were twenty-something and didn't mind playing on other people's schedules, I could have made it work, but it just has never been worth the effort in the end.
That said, the game is actually good. Seriously, for a rehash of the whole Verant to SOE PvE dynamic that made people love EQ, Vanguard is also good. Unlike many, I actually like the classes and find them entertaining to play.
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2 more of our guys that just quit DF resubbed as well, That makes 5 of us so far with possibly more coming.
I'm debating between this or Final fantasy. I love the idea that Vanguard is one big immerse world that has no instances (correct me if i'm wrong), but it has that annoying quest grind that FF doesn't have.
One question, why is the game not that popular even though they fixed most of the bugs? At release, all I heard was how good the game could have been if it wasn't so buggy...well it's not now but it's still low populated, correct? Someone sell me here!
I tried it again back in December and it still had the same grouping bugs with naked characters and loot drops getting locked.
That was the final straw for me.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
There are no instances. The closest thing is six copies of Ancient Port Warehouse to accommodate the number of players. For example, our guild raids in shard 5 and typically only have 1 or 2 other guilds in there at the same time with us. When a particular shard exceeds 70-80 players the performance suffers (usually the last guild in will leave if their presence crowds the shard to much). As long as guilds coorperate and communicate the wings they will be raiding this usually isn't an issue. In fact, guilds can cooperate to benefit different goals such as the time we cleared Zaygius's protectors in order to get to Kotasoth...... this helped the guild in behind us as they were able to kill Zaygius without having to kill all his protectors.
Even various events are non-instanced. Our guild was helping a few folks through the Chath encounter as part of the Griffon quest. Only one group can enter the event at a time. But even then, it is non-instanced. After I buffed them and they went in, I decided to go check out a partially completed guildhall in the same area. When I was on the ground floor of that guild hall, I could hear the group I just buffed fighting Chath below me because Chath is in a very small dungeon that actually ends up below this particular guild hall.
Even a simple crafting quest I recently completed resulted in the exposure of some subversives in New Targonor and it played out in the streets for other players passing by to watch.
With regard to bugs and performance. The majority of bugs have been fixed, although you can find a few annoying ones still around. Vanguard can still bring a PC to its knees if your rig is older than 3-4 years or so. I know a number of folks that are running on very high settings with PCs 2-years or newer and others that have incredible performance with economy builds in the $300-$400 range. Dual core processor, GPU no older than 3 generations, 4 gigs of ram and a fast HDD are pretty much required for the game.
FFXI just has a grind grind... you like that better? I don't know, I get sick of FFXI because you have to sit for hours at a time before you get a group and you cannot play until you find a group, past level 13 or so. VG you can solo easily if people aren't around and "quest grind" as you say or you can just meetup with some other people and just explore the massive world and do all the low level dungeons that only need 2-3 people to get the first few questions done, then more people to finish the whole dungeon.
I think a lot of people still have a bad taste in their mouth from the release and don't want to give it another chance. Then they might have to admit that it has actually turned into a good MMO after they have been bashing it for months/years.
FFXI just has a grind grind... you like that better? I don't know, I get sick of FFXI because you have to sit for hours at a time before you get a group and you cannot play until you find a group, past level 13 or so. VG you can solo easily if people aren't around and "quest grind" as you say or you can just meetup with some other people and just explore the massive world and do all the low level dungeons that only need 2-3 people to get the first few questions done, then more people to finish the whole dungeon.
I do like grinding if it's anything like EQ1. I honestly just like being in a group more than anything. I want to avoid soloing as much as possible since it's rather boring and lonely to me.
FFXI just has a grind grind... you like that better? I don't know, I get sick of FFXI because you have to sit for hours at a time before you get a group and you cannot play until you find a group, past level 13 or so. VG you can solo easily if people aren't around and "quest grind" as you say or you can just meetup with some other people and just explore the massive world and do all the low level dungeons that only need 2-3 people to get the first few questions done, then more people to finish the whole dungeon.
I do like grinding if it's anything like EQ1. I honestly just like being in a group more than anything. I want to avoid soloing as much as possible since it's rather boring and lonely to me.
I'll tell you this much.
I enjoy the combat system in VG much more than FFXI. FFXI is more of a "sit back and watch" thing. VG is more "action" oriented. I LIKE the FFXI combat system in a group. But it can be very boring and tedious if your a healer or someone that just sort of "stands" there. On top of that, FFXI requires that you group for literally everything. Fields of Valor is about the only thing you can do "leveling wise" that you can solo. Even now that they have level sync, at level 24 I was sitting around for and hr or more waiting on a group.. and I was a white mage. Even still, its changed because instead of seeing all of a level zone.. you'll stay in the same zones forever since there are certain hotspots that everyone likes to level sync in. You'll see 70s leveling in noob areas.. and that just seems off to me. If you have something else to do while you wait around.. maybe its worth it.. but if thats the case.. why not just do that instead? Also, end game in FFXI requires very long stretches of time in one sitting.
VG has a good mix of group and solo stuff, so you can always jump right in. But its not "easy" like WoW.
I'm on the isle of dawn.. and the earth den.. pwned me beyond all belief. The further down I went, the harder it became to stay alive. Thats more fun to me than pulling mob after mob standing in one spot..
If I want to play a game with a great storyline.. I'll do what I am doing now and play FF7.
VG lets you create the story and decide how you play.
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Anything could happen, we never thought WoW could be so successful . So why can't a game that failed at launch make a comeback and be recognized as a great game?
I KNEW WoW was a hit and posted about it. Just the stupid EQ crowd was to dumb to see it. Vanguard flopped and no one wants to play, stop lying to people about any so called revival, it is NOT happening.
Wow the anger on this site just gets worse with time. WOW is wonderful and everyone who plays something else is stupid. There now can we all be friends ?
I went back - and quit again about 30 mins later. The character models are terrible with animations match. I made my new character and started the first quest. Instantly the combat felt disjointed, animations and skills just didn't seem to match up. Animations were not correctly matched to run speed so I would skate ( only slightly but it was enough to notice). I just couldn't play. I don't care much about graphics but I need my character to look like they are part of the world and Vanguard failed in that respect. There may be an amazing game in there somewhere but I couldn't play it.
EQ2 had a crap start and has recovered to be a great game, maybe Vanguard will follow. AO did the same thing.
the recent hype talked me into logging back in this week and making a few characters on the trial island. I have to say the performance seems to be on par with most other games I have played now with only a handful actually beating it. the handful of course being the usual WoW, Lotro, and the other big hits.
as far as fantasy games go, it has probably the best character customization options. Also, with it's large number of classes and races there are hundreds of possilbe combinations to try out.
Graphically speaking I put it above WoW but under Lotro, however if I had a better PC it might just climb to the top of the pile.
I love that there are no instances. For me I prefer to either have all or nothing when it comes to instancing (all for story heavy games).
I also, love all the features it offers. This game has it all.
I really challenge everyone who hasn't played it in months to log back in one more time and give it a serious try. I used to believe like so many others that this game was padding for the station pass, but now I know better. I believe it has simply taken the devs this long with a small budget to be able to turn the game in what it has become, and I agree with others who have said the same that if we can increase the population SOE will most likely increae their budget and we could possible see new content.
Do I think it will be some kind of massively successful comeback? Well, I just don't know. Do I think it can continue to improve and grow as a game with a population increase? Absolutely.
I guess it must come down to taste. I say the characters are average. On-par with EQ2 and LotRO, but better than WoW. The animations, though, are great - the best I have seen.
Not saying its a wow clone but its core leveling system is just another slay 10 rat quests for exp game. But hey if thats your thing.
What is pota?
RELAX!@!! BREATHE!!!
It is the raid instance at level 55 ... Some people do not like it. I have never seen past 21 so do not know anything about the zone.
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I was commenting last night in guild chat about how it's the first MMO I've played in a while where a mob's con rating is actually an accurate representation of its difficulty.... at least for a soloer, at the lower levels.
I took on the quest to kill the Gataros in Cael Brael (or something like that - the Wood Elf city on the mainland) and at the time, they were yellow to me. I tried to kill one and had to run my butt off to avoid dying. That was awesome. Then I went back to do the quest again when they were white to me, so more on my level. I managed to kill them, but they took out around half my HP at least in each fight... except for the occasional one where I'd get some crits in. I definitely had to watch my back and make sure another one couldn't wander up behind me from a blind spot or I would be toast.
I find dodging aggro to be a significant challenge again, as well. For one, the mobs can knock out your HP quick. For another, they chase you for quite a long time, so if you're not fleet-footed, there's a good chance you're dead before they hit the end of their tether.
At this point, it's not so bad because the death penalty hasn't really kicked in, yet (I think it's level 10 if I'm not mistaken), but already I'm showing a healthy respect for aggressive mobs that I come across where as in certain other MMOs, I would run through them without a second thought, knowing that they'd stop chasing me after 10 seconds and they likely wouldn't do much damage to me anyway along the way.
So, yeah... I'm definitely enjoying that aspect of it and it's nice to see an actual, meaningful, sense of danger in a MMO again, after having played so many where it's a joke.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Actually, folks at Blizzard have said flat out that if not for EQ, and the key people having been huge fans of it, WoW would likely have never been made. So that's a historically significant statement.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
That is what I like about it too, the danger. I like that they will chase you for a while, that one can take chances but one can also be wiped.
I rarely if ever die in lotro. It's almost a given that I'll live.
In Vanguard there is that sense and thrill of danger that I enjoy.
As far as what others have said about the game having a future, I personally don't care. Probably because I don't live in the future (yet) I live in the present.
At present it is a fun game and it's giving me something that I haven't really as of yet gotten in most mmo's.
There are still issues nothing huge in my opinion but for those who are very critical or have no patience for such stuff they could be. For those who can leave their critic's hat at the door and just immerse themselves it can be a very fun game. If and when it ends I will have all those fond memories of my enjoyment in game.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I would like to give it a go how is the guild and whats the guilds name.
Tried it at launch but!!!!!
Sinn
Really? Have you not noticed that quests give jack in the way of experience? Seriously, they give the equivalent of an even con mob in experience. They're mostly there for lore. Note, I'm talking Adventurer q's here, although I'm fairly certain the diplomacy and crafting q's also give crap experience, hence the Civic Diplomacy grind and the Work order grind.
Is it so good now that you would offer to buy people the game on the condition that if they sub, they have to pay you back but if they don't sub they don't have to pay you? Is it that good now?
I disagree. The adventuring quests give very good XP... The crafting quests also give very good XP, especially the artisian's saga quest line; at level 39 when I started, I went to level 42. There is also 3 diplo quest lines, but I must admit that with diplomacy doing civic diplomacy parleys gains you faster xp.
I would also disagree, I have seen some quests that reward anywhere from 500k upwards to a million xp for a turn in especially in the magi hold area. I would really like to see this mob that gives that much xp per kill.
While the core game is actually pretty good now days, the bottom line with VG now is that there just isn't anyone around anymore. I'll clarify that some: There are tons on the newb island, but that filters off unless you find a good core group to level with beyond about 35ish. And even the 20's can be difficult if you play at an odd hour. I have resubbed to this game a dozen times and wished so hard that my friends would stay with me, but it has ended the same every time: Someone core to the group drops and then the group disintigrates. Usually in the 40's. I think I have 5 level 40ish toons now that I just couldn't progress in a satisfying manner beyond about 44 because of this dynamic within VG. Maybe if I were twenty-something and didn't mind playing on other people's schedules, I could have made it work, but it just has never been worth the effort in the end.
That said, the game is actually good. Seriously, for a rehash of the whole Verant to SOE PvE dynamic that made people love EQ, Vanguard is also good. Unlike many, I actually like the classes and find them entertaining to play.
Amen
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
Thomas Jefferson