Just startet the trial last night, you guys sort of talked me into it on this forum.
Been through the very basics last night and so far i don't find it "complicated" in a confusing way as is often pointed out by beginners.
The first impression was that it is a very deep and diverse game.The tutorial doesn't seem to end. It's challenging and it might take month to even get the basics, but everything is also quiete logical and built up on each other. So i would say that it is very "complex", but not "complicated" -if that makes any sense. Guess you don't know what i'm trying to say and i'm not quite shure how to bring my point across in proper english, maybe you get it somehow.
Anyway, along with getting into any complex game i'm always afraid to make a basic mistake or mess something up that i'll regret later on. Or finding out after a couple of weeks that i wasted time by just fumbling around senseless instead of following a solid beginner's guide. Guess that in the next few days i'll spend just a much time outside the game studying HowTos
Anyway, along with getting into any complex game i'm always afraid to make a basic mistake or mess something up that i'll regret later on.
You almost certainly will. But it isnt anything you cant recover from, and at the early stages recovery is actually much easier.
One day I lost two tech 2 fitted Rokh battleships in the same day. And not against other players, but against NPCs. You gotta develop a thick skin for losses with this game. You can minimize losses by being careful and/or paranoid, but losses will happen eventually.
In so many ways, its better to make the mistakes early on, you wont lose as much, even though it seems like a massive amount to someone starting, make the mistakes before you get the good implants in and become too risk averse due to the cost of losing them. The lessons will be hard but you will learn them well that way.
The Golden rules of Eve.
Don't fly what you cant afford to lose.
Fly what you can fly well. (Mainly an adage for PvP, but it can apply to all situations)
If its t1, insure it to Platinum.
Concord does not provide safety, it provides consequences.
So, after another day and another night of playing and reading TONS of newbie-guides and webpages, i'm not shure if i have learned more or if i'm more confused with all the input.
Problem is, the more people you ask the same question, the more different answers you will get. I guess that is due to the basic concept of the game that one can approach many different things on different ways. Lots of people share their personal view and opinion as the only valid one. Everyone has published "the only newbie-guide, search no further" and they often more or less contain totaly different advices.
"Find out for yourself" may be the answer to it all...but please understand that as a newbie in a game in which even close goals lie month and month ahead, i don't want to waste weeks getting my things together by trial and error. In such a complex game where every decision has a consequence, i just don't want to find out after one year that on a questionable advice in my early days, i made a basic mistake and now i have to carry it for the rest of my gaming time.
Some say "take the most balanced race/bloodline as a newbie, it gives you the advantage of being sort of a jack of all trades". The next guys says "No! one should specialise as early as possible. You have to pick the exact right race/class even as a newb, otherwise you'll be heavily limited later". The third one says "it doesnt matter what you chose, everyone can do just everything"...
Some say that "learning skills" are a must have, others say one should avoid them at all cost.
Q: "Hello, i'm new to the game and i want to bounty hunt and pvp later"
A:"take Caldari->X->Y, rockets are the best"
A2:"noooo, take Gallente and go for EW"
A3:"nooo, skill decides - everything else is sooo secondary"
A4:"Gallente may be great once you got them ready for PvP, but can also give you very long nights getting them that far. So Caldari is better again..."
See what i mean? This may be an example you vets laugh about, but It's just to bring my point across. Even the veterans go up on each other and disagree to each other about so many things the new player asks.
Too bad that for a newbie like me, these sort of "contradicting" answers about very basic decisions aren't helping, but rather make me unsure about how to start and make shure that i'll still be satisfied with my early days' decision on the long run.
Well here's another vets opinion of the truth to add to the pile.
No one persons approach is always best. Different people have different needs in game. The best thing you can do is read everyones advice and then weigh it all in relative terms to your personal goals. Guides for Eve are different from other games. In other games guides tend to be a step by step process to achieching a certain goal. In Eve guides are just that, guides. It's up to the player to interpret them for their own purposes.
So, after another day and another night of playing and reading TONS of newbie-guides and webpages, i'm not shure if i have learned more or if i'm more confused with all the input. Problem is, the more people you ask the same question, the more different answers you will get. I guess that is due to the basic concept of the game that one can approach many different things on different ways. Lots of people share their personal view and opinion as the only valid one. Everyone has published "the only newbie-guide, search no further" and they often more or less contain totaly different advices. "Find out for yourself" may be the answer to it all...but please understand that as a newbie in a game in which even close goals lie month and month ahead, i don't want to waste weeks getting my things together by trial and error. In such a complex game where every decision has a consequence, i just don't want to find out after one year that on a questionable advice in my early days, i made a basic mistake and now i have to carry it for the rest of my gaming time. Some say "take the most balanced race/bloodline as a newbie, it gives you the advantage of being sort of a jack of all trades". The next guys says "No! one should specialise as early as possible. You have to pick the exact right race/class even as a newb, otherwise you'll be heavily limited later". The third one says "it doesnt matter what you chose, everyone can do just everything"... Some say that "learning skills" are a must have, others say one should avoid them at all cost. Q: "Hello, i'm new to the game and i want to bounty hunt and pvp later" A:"take Caldari->X->Y, rockets are the best" A2:"noooo, take Gallente and go for EW" A3:"nooo, skill decides - everything else is sooo secondary" A4:"Gallente may be great once you got them ready for PvP, but can also give you very long nights getting them that far. So Caldari is better again..." See what i mean? This may be an example you vets laugh about, but It's just to bring my point across. Even the veterans go up on each other and disagree to each other about so many things the new player asks. Too bad that for a newbie like me, these sort of "contradicting" answers about very basic decisions aren't helping, but rather make me unsure about how to start and make shure that i'll still be satisfied with my early days' decision on the long run.
Learning skills help a skills level faster, basic learning skills to learn are learning, logic, instant recall, analytical mind and spatial awareness.
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02/2009... kinda new
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i have one char at 40 mil skillpoints, one at 20 and one at 6. so erm... god knows really
2006?
i been playin since 2005 november with a 6month hiates in there somewhere 34mil sp's and counting
Tenbwen
playing since march 2005 (45.5M SP).
i like the fact that i never run out of goals; there's always something new to try out or a goal to aim towards.
Played for a few years now constantly and I must say I am enjoying it so much, Dont think I could ever stop playing Eve
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Just startet the trial last night, you guys sort of talked me into it on this forum.
Been through the very basics last night and so far i don't find it "complicated" in a confusing way as is often pointed out by beginners.
The first impression was that it is a very deep and diverse game.The tutorial doesn't seem to end. It's challenging and it might take month to even get the basics, but everything is also quiete logical and built up on each other. So i would say that it is very "complex", but not "complicated" -if that makes any sense. Guess you don't know what i'm trying to say and i'm not quite shure how to bring my point across in proper english, maybe you get it somehow.
Anyway, along with getting into any complex game i'm always afraid to make a basic mistake or mess something up that i'll regret later on. Or finding out after a couple of weeks that i wasted time by just fumbling around senseless instead of following a solid beginner's guide. Guess that in the next few days i'll spend just a much time outside the game studying HowTos
Anyway, along with getting into any complex game i'm always afraid to make a basic mistake or mess something up that i'll regret later on.
You almost certainly will. But it isnt anything you cant recover from, and at the early stages recovery is actually much easier.
One day I lost two tech 2 fitted Rokh battleships in the same day. And not against other players, but against NPCs. You gotta develop a thick skin for losses with this game. You can minimize losses by being careful and/or paranoid, but losses will happen eventually.
In so many ways, its better to make the mistakes early on, you wont lose as much, even though it seems like a massive amount to someone starting, make the mistakes before you get the good implants in and become too risk averse due to the cost of losing them. The lessons will be hard but you will learn them well that way.
The Golden rules of Eve.
Don't fly what you cant afford to lose.
Fly what you can fly well. (Mainly an adage for PvP, but it can apply to all situations)
If its t1, insure it to Platinum.
Concord does not provide safety, it provides consequences.
F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html
So, after another day and another night of playing and reading TONS of newbie-guides and webpages, i'm not shure if i have learned more or if i'm more confused with all the input.
Problem is, the more people you ask the same question, the more different answers you will get. I guess that is due to the basic concept of the game that one can approach many different things on different ways. Lots of people share their personal view and opinion as the only valid one. Everyone has published "the only newbie-guide, search no further" and they often more or less contain totaly different advices.
"Find out for yourself" may be the answer to it all...but please understand that as a newbie in a game in which even close goals lie month and month ahead, i don't want to waste weeks getting my things together by trial and error. In such a complex game where every decision has a consequence, i just don't want to find out after one year that on a questionable advice in my early days, i made a basic mistake and now i have to carry it for the rest of my gaming time.
Some say "take the most balanced race/bloodline as a newbie, it gives you the advantage of being sort of a jack of all trades". The next guys says "No! one should specialise as early as possible. You have to pick the exact right race/class even as a newb, otherwise you'll be heavily limited later". The third one says "it doesnt matter what you chose, everyone can do just everything"...
Some say that "learning skills" are a must have, others say one should avoid them at all cost.
Q: "Hello, i'm new to the game and i want to bounty hunt and pvp later"
A:"take Caldari->X->Y, rockets are the best"
A2:"noooo, take Gallente and go for EW"
A3:"nooo, skill decides - everything else is sooo secondary"
A4:"Gallente may be great once you got them ready for PvP, but can also give you very long nights getting them that far. So Caldari is better again..."
See what i mean? This may be an example you vets laugh about, but It's just to bring my point across. Even the veterans go up on each other and disagree to each other about so many things the new player asks.
Too bad that for a newbie like me, these sort of "contradicting" answers about very basic decisions aren't helping, but rather make me unsure about how to start and make shure that i'll still be satisfied with my early days' decision on the long run.
Well here's another vets opinion of the truth to add to the pile.
No one persons approach is always best. Different people have different needs in game. The best thing you can do is read everyones advice and then weigh it all in relative terms to your personal goals. Guides for Eve are different from other games. In other games guides tend to be a step by step process to achieching a certain goal. In Eve guides are just that, guides. It's up to the player to interpret them for their own purposes.
05, i wanted a sci fi game, and it was either this or SWG, i went with this
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Learning skills help a skills level faster, basic learning skills to learn are learning, logic, instant recall, analytical mind and spatial awareness.