About "The solution to this problem? So far, it seems as if cash shops are a way to go." this is classical example how cure is much worse then disease. I can not imagine nothing worst to happen to any decent MMO. However there is cure, pretty simple that could Blizzard apply. Question is as usually, why people does something that is considered illegal? I guess not because they want to help economic status of gold sellers. It is because many prices in WOW are insanely high. I remember my first "serious" alt, warrior, I stopped playing it because at lv. 40 i was far far from mount, i barely had 10g. So I started warlock that has mount for free. But I also learned to play better and understand game (and using a lot AH) so eventually after about 3 years all my 10 alts (for every class one) have mounts. But ... only one have epic ... because price is astronomical. Ok, maybe one get a lot of money from raiding, selling, .... but for more casual player (and not so casual as well) high prices are nighmare that prevents them from enjoy in full game. Yes, yes, .... it would not make sense one would be able "by the way" to get epic gear at lv. 10 and mount .... and I'm not talking about this. Blizzard, normalize prices and gold sellers (and buyers) will be gone. IMO, gold sellers are the worst thing that can happen to any game. With exception of course company start to sell for real money themselve ingame objects.
Well, cash shops on some servers is not a bad solution, we who don't like buying cash will just play on other servers (Well, I'm not playing wow myself but most MMOs have the same problems).
Cash shops on all servers are a horrible idea however.
Let all gold buyers play on the same server, it is well balanced and disturbs no one else, except the chinese gold farmers.
As a former World of Warcraft player who cancelled account over the gold farmer issues, have to laugh as I see yet another attempt by people to rationalize the gold farming issue.
Blizzard makes A PROFIT OFF THE GOLD FARMERS. They do not care about the player base or the honest player who does not gold farm. These gold farmers who get thier accounts banned just go out and buy another copy of the game and therefore blizzard gets more money from these gold farmers then the community.
I would not be suprised if the majority of the 2+ Million subscribers listed by Blizzard included the gold farmers with banned accounts.
Since we are in a MAJOR RECESSION and with New MMO developers having money issues getting thier product out the door, Blizzard is making money and making a profit off the backs of the gold farmers who keeps buying copies of the game when they get thier accounts banned.
Since Blizzard is being filthy rich, would not be equally suprised to find that thier lawyers have found ways around the IRS with legal loopholes.
Blizzard says they have a zero tolerance against gold farmers, well if you look at thier track record then they been lying to you. They like to fool people with thier public face so to speak. They find people like the author easy to fool to promote thier public image regarding gold farmers.
One of the major reasons I quit World of Warcraft was the negative aspect of the gold farming issue. On the AH kept seeing over priced items on the AH where I did not have the gold to buy them and could not get into guilds or groups due to lack of gear and was told that one has to basicly cheat to get ahead aka become a gold farmer. When the latest expansion came out last year, ran into the same problem and that is when decided to quit, cancel account, uninstall the game and threw the disks in the trash after cutting them up. I was that disgusted with them over the issue.
As a former World of Warcraft player who cancelled account over the gold farmer issues, have to laugh as I see yet another attempt by people to rationalize the gold farming issue. Blizzard makes A PROFIT OFF THE GOLD FARMERS. They do not care about the player base or the honest player who does not gold farm. These gold farmers who get thier accounts banned just go out and buy another copy of the game and therefore blizzard gets more money from these gold farmers then the community. I would not be suprised if the majority of the 2+ Million subscribers listed by Blizzard included the gold farmers with banned accounts. Since we are in a MAJOR RECESSION and with New MMO developers having money issues getting thier product out the door, Blizzard is making money and making a profit off the backs of the gold farmers who keeps buying copies of the game when they get thier accounts banned. Since Blizzard is being filthy rich, would not be equally suprised to find that thier lawyers have found ways around the IRS with legal loopholes. Blizzard says they have a zero tolerance against gold farmers, well if you look at thier track record then they been lying to you. They like to fool people with thier public face so to speak. They find people like the author easy to fool to promote thier public image regarding gold farmers. One of the major reasons I quit World of Warcraft was the negative aspect of the gold farming issue. On the AH kept seeing over priced items on the AH where I did not have the gold to buy them and could not get into guilds or groups due to lack of gear and was told that one has to basicly cheat to get ahead aka become a gold farmer. When the latest expansion came out last year, ran into the same problem and that is when decided to quit, cancel account, uninstall the game and threw the disks in the trash after cutting them up. I was that disgusted with them over the issue.
Relax
Earning enough gold to get by is just too easy in WoW. If you have to explode b/c things are too expensive in AH, first ask yourself. How many of the BoE items you really need in the first place. How can you get them? Craftables you should not be all buying, you should be able to craft one or two types, unless you are a duel collection class, which then you should be happy things are expensive in AH. You got more gold selling mats.
As for Blizz earning box money from gold sellers, can you show us a working solution to stop gold farmers from buying the boxes. Maybe register the personal ID of the person buying WoW. Verify his ID and maybe, ask him to fly to Blizz headquarters, perform a body check before selling him a copy?
You cannot blame Blizz if someone intend to commit a crime. So long as Blizz is banning the farmers, Blizz is doing its part. Not that WoW is designed in a way where you need to buy gold in order to have reasonable gold for daily gaming.
I agree, pooling all Gold buyers in a gold buying server. That is just the way they deal with ffa pvp servers. At least, if you are buying gold, buy from the developers. They are the lawful owner of the gold, not the farmers.
Wouldn't work, tbh. There'd still be a large portion of players who enjoy the advantage that buying gold offers them on the servers where it isn't allowed (all servers, currently).
@ ;Zorndorf: Dailies and the obscene amount of gold they introduced only served to hyper-inflate the market further. I agree, however, that it does help counter the farmer-introduced inflation in that it makes their contributions less substantial. In the end the effect is still the same in that for new players (primarily those who wish to avoid the market/AH) the task of earning gold enough to meet WoW's gold-removal functions (mounts, re-specs, etc.) can seem quite daunting. The only way to thrive then becomes to practice use of the AH. Not everyone enjoys that aspect of a game, and I can understand that. The greatest part about it is that the same players who wish to avoid the markets of games are the same ones who buy gold from the farmers who've inflated the economy to the point of unaffordability in the first place. They're shooting their own feet.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Oscar Wilde
Let me speak on this. [I've always wanted to start a rant with that!] I've bought gold before. My friend begged and berated me until I at least gave WoW a shot. I did, and I liked it. It was my second MMO. [My first being as a beta-tester for CoH.] So, my friend had a capped mage and was starting an alt to play with me to "show me the game". What I didn't realize at the time, was that it wasn't about showing me the game, it was that he wanted a Rogue alt and I was his heal-bot. He gave me 16 slot bags and 10 gold. All from his fully legal level 60. [At the time that was cap.] This was/is to this day my only friend who plays MMOs. And he'll only play WoW. At the time, he was working a full-time job and was in bed by 10 P.M. I am on disability and am a natural night-owl.
Whatever my personality is, being a heal-bot got boring rather quickly. So, I decided to make an alt. Well, starting out with CoH, I have confirmed alt-itis. So, I quickly wanted at least one of every class. And after trying groups, I quickly decided I liked to solo MUCH better than grouping. I come from an AD&D background, and my friend wouldn't even give me time to read the quest text! It drove me nuts!
Anyway, I take my time and read text whenever I want. Look at my Talents whenever I want. Alt-Tab to the forums, sometimes. Whatever. I like to play slow. And I like to solo play every type of build I can think of that's interesting. Needless to say, I had to spread to other servers because there's a 10 character cap. Besides, I like the atmosphere of RP Servers. [Even if I rarely RP online with anyone. . It just doesn't compare to my group of live friends.] So, I've bought gold for my characters on my main server. AND I've bought gold every time I expanded to a new server. I buy 100 gold, and divide it as I see fit between the characters.
However, I DO NOT PvP. Not ever. Only once did I try it just to see what the hell it was, because I had no idea what WSG was. Somebody randomly asked me, and I said, "ok". Not even knowing what it was. Needless to say, I was no help. Did my bought gold provide me an advantage in my epic foray into PvP? Alas, no. Perhaps I was one-shotted by a lesser amount than someone who played it "honest"? I don't know. I'm not bitter about being one-shotted, mind you. I just dislike PvP. I am just not a competitive person. I like to chill, and fight mobs at MY discretion. Care Bear? Yes. They're cute. [Better than Fraggles, even.]
So no, I'm not "sorry" for buying gold. I don't care what "the rules" according to Blizzard, say. It's my $15 a month, and I like to just be left alone and do my own thing. Hell, it's not like I even buy anything outragous! I'll just buy a character something from the Auction House. Oh, especially bags! Before the two new races, bags just would not freaking drop for me! And the running back and forth drives me nuts. Anyway, so I buy bags and whatever green equipment will help me to solo better. The freaking prices of a simple dagger, and whatnot is sick. [And not in that newfangled teenage internet meaning of "sick"!]
I don't believe that the "chinese gold farmers" [as the stereotype goes] are the main ones driving the economy prices sky-high. Whenever I [or anyone else], put an item on the Auction House for too little money [i.e. a reasonable price], people will type in /trade with perfect english and with perfect puncuation and all calling whomever did it "noobs". And saying they're "ruining the economy". It sounds like pure American [and Canadian] greed, to me. And I personally feel the economy is already ruined and needs to be rehauled. The biggest problem is that typical fps-ffa-l33t-lewt-epic sux0r DKP vets feel the game STARTS at the level cap. And that's a stupid notion. The game starts as you create the character. And then you finish whatever tutorial, and get on with things. You don't just create a level 80 character. [Not yet, anyway] Hell, after all this time playing, a couple of years now, my highest level non--Death Knight character is level 55! Of course, I have my characters capped. I have the 50 character maximum. I can't help it. I like the game. And I like playing all the different classes. But I wont apologize for who I am. And if I want to buy my character gold, too bad. If you feel my character that wont team with you ruins your gaming experience because I bought a staff with + Spell-Power off of the Auction House, then you need more help than I can give.
I don't care if Blizzard calls it cheating. When we play D&D, our level 1 characters start out with max hit-points for that class. [Wizard gets the full four hit-points, etc..] That wasn't according to the rules in second edition. We don't care. We're playing our game. And if a Wizard wants to use a long-bow, we'll let them. It certainly wont unbalance the game any! [Not with their THAC0.] So yeah, I've done it. And I probably have more fun playing, than you do.
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It's funny how similar the behavior of religious fanatics and some of the people against gold selling is. This thread is going to be great at finding new users to block so I never have to read their irrational posts 3 people on this thread have already proven to be completly unable to get out of their magical bubble where everything is black and white. Their world must be really boring if they can't see colors
Your ARGUMENT is not VALID if you can Justify gold selling. then would that mean you can CHEAT in RL also???
Hmm let me ask you that it is ok to CHEAT in a virtual world so buy your thought it is ok to cheat in the RL world.
Sorry not my CUP of tea.
All hail the unflapable paragon of righteousness. You have never jaywalked I suppose? Bet you never cruised thru a stop sign on your bike, and I bet you stay 1 mph BELOW the speed limit as you don't EVER 'cheat' in real life. You don't cheat in rl, my ass.
Gold buyers are a lot more akin to a jaywalker than a murderer; get over yourself.
It's funny how similar the behavior of religious fanatics and some of the people against gold selling is. This thread is going to be great at finding new users to block so I never have to read their irrational posts 3 people on this thread have already proven to be completly unable to get out of their magical bubble where everything is black and white. Their world must be really boring if they can't see colors
Your ARGUMENT is not VALID if you can Justify gold selling. then would that mean you can CHEAT in RL also???
Hmm let me ask you that it is ok to CHEAT in a virtual world so buy your thought it is ok to cheat in the RL world.
Sorry not my CUP of tea.
All hail the unflapable paragon of righteousness. You have never jaywalked I suppose? Bet you never cruised thru a stop sign on your bike, and I bet you stay 1 mph BELOW the speed limit as you don't EVER 'cheat' in real life. You don't cheat in rl, my ass.
Gold buyers are a lot more akin to a jaywalker than a murderer; get over yourself.
Unfortunately jay-walking only get you killed if you are careless, but goldbuying leading to hacking, as goldsellers no long farm gold, they take orders then hack the accounts they already got pwd, but never touch, pool gold sell stuffs, and mail the gold to the client.
The current way of anti-goldsales, already allow companies to track dubious farmers. Once detected, the dubious characters will be suspended. What is means is, if you farm gold on your alt and sell, once your sale is detected, you account will be banned, along with remaining gold farmed but not yet sold. The goldsellers know this, they do not farm any more, they hack accounts and retain the stolen pwd. When they got an order they try each of the hecked account till they got in one of them, racksack it, and mail the money directly to the goldbuyer's alt. This way, even if the game developer stops it, or punish the traders, the hacker stays clean.
You can try to pretend you are doing your own business. You can go buy a baby from the traffickers and say you are saving a baby. Fact is, you just induced the trafficker to place an order for another abduction. Same for gold buying.
Buying gold in WOW is cheating. You are looking for ways to rationalize cheating. Did I miss something here? Your ramble on why cheating may be good for WOW was neither an "eye opener" nor "informative."
Really I dont know how people can see it any other way......Buying gold is never a good thing.....The gold spammers ruin the game for many and you are inflating the economy by buying.......Really its time that the game companies stop gold selling/buying.....its been going on for way too long and it needs to stop........
Just an FYI, as I have done some research into this.
Gold farmers generally do not use the auction halls.
Most of the sweatchops does not allow it, for different reason.
And they "tally" their gold at the end of each shift, meaning that if it sells the person on that character who gets the cash can add it to their tally.
As a result they vendor everything, or try the trade channel if an item of special value come into their hands.
Or they are sold internally to one of the managers who are allowed to use the AH, and know a little bit of english.
No "old" items enter the game from these people.
The only thing entering the game is gold, driving up prises for everyone.
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Also another thing like to point out, every year for the past 4 years Congress has tried to pass a resolution or law if you will for the IRS to tax people for using online gold. IRS believes that this online gold buying/selling issue is costing them billions of dollars of revenue that they believe the US Government can use.
Unless people realize this and companies like Blizzard realizes the possiblity of this happening, they need to not only educate but reduce the problem of gold buying/selling and the farmers associated it with it.
It is cause and effect, if you make the game too hard or make fees and prices ingame too high people will resort to online cheating and gold farmers is another form of cheating but hey we been brought to believe cheating is ok, we cheat in school, work so why not online even though cheating is morally wrong it still happens.
As for the AH, I remember one time reported a person who had put up a lvl 3 item for 4,000 gold and bam next day that item price was reduced to what a newbie can afford a few coppers. Yes people will put outragous prices on the AH thinking since they have all this gold be it either they got it legally or by cheating they need to get rid of it or they get accused and banned for cheating.........
So I can see that lot of honest players not wanting to get banned for cheating will not go out of the way to NOT get good gear, farm items, advoid farming guilds or leave thier own guild when members in said guild starts to farm stuff to make a ton of gold. An the PVP aspect and requirement for raiding/pvp has produced a vicious mindset that is ok to cheat to get ahead so you can win and who gives a XXXX to the carebears.
Yes was one of those carebears that got kicked from a PVE guild that merged with a raiding/pvp gear requirement you must get by any means including cheating or get lost.
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ps. not going to name any names and yes it was an alliance guild. I changed to alliance after getting the same treatment from the horde side so it happens on both sides........
Yeah,try getting in a PuG or Guild with just ok gear! You get laughed at ,told your a noob then get a ton of pms telling you how bad your gear is. Thats why I solo everything,dont even try to grp any more. Its not worth the frustration the uber-leet bring to the game experiance.
I dont agree with gold buying/selling.Some people just feel they dont have any other way to get ahead in game.I blame this on the players who feel you have to have the uber-leet lewts to be worth a damn. So,untill that changes,we will have gold buying/selling.
Also another thing like to point out, every year for the past 4 years Congress has tried to pass a resolution or law if you will for the IRS to tax people for using online gold. IRS believes that this online gold buying/selling issue is costing them billions of dollars of revenue that they believe the US Government can use. Unless people realize this and companies like Blizzard realizes the possiblity of this happening, they need to not only educate but reduce the problem of gold buying/selling and the farmers associated it with it. It is cause and effect, if you make the game too hard or make fees and prices ingame too high people will resort to online cheating and gold farmers is another form of cheating but hey we been brought to believe cheating is ok, we cheat in school, work so why not online even though cheating is morally wrong it still happens. As for the AH, I remember one time reported a person who had put up a lvl 3 item for 4,000 gold and bam next day that item price was reduced to what a newbie can afford a few coppers. Yes people will put outragous prices on the AH thinking since they have all this gold be it either they got it legally or by cheating they need to get rid of it or they get accused and banned for cheating......... So I can see that lot of honest players not wanting to get banned for cheating will not go out of the way to NOT get good gear, farm items, advoid farming guilds or leave thier own guild when members in said guild starts to farm stuff to make a ton of gold. An the PVP aspect and requirement for raiding/pvp has produced a vicious mindset that is ok to cheat to get ahead so you can win and who gives a XXXX to the carebears. Yes was one of those carebears that got kicked from a PVE guild that merged with a raiding/pvp gear requirement you must get by any means including cheating or get lost.
----------------- ps. not going to name any names and yes it was an alliance guild. I changed to alliance after getting the same treatment from the horde side so it happens on both sides........
Wait, you believe the IRS is going to tax World of Warcraft Gold? That is the funniest thing I've heard all day! Will they tax Tooth-Fairy money too? Oh man, I'd better watch out, they might try and tax my D&D characters next!
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Well, cash shops on some servers is not a bad solution, we who don't like buying cash will just play on other servers (Well, I'm not playing wow myself but most MMOs have the same problems).
Cash shops on all servers are a horrible idea however.
Let all gold buyers play on the same server, it is well balanced and disturbs no one else, except the chinese gold farmers.
I agree, pooling all Gold buyers in a gold buying server. That is just the way they deal with ffa pvp servers.
At least, if you are buying gold, buy from the developers. They are the lawful owner of the gold, not the farmers.
As a former World of Warcraft player who cancelled account over the gold farmer issues, have to laugh as I see yet another attempt by people to rationalize the gold farming issue.
Blizzard makes A PROFIT OFF THE GOLD FARMERS. They do not care about the player base or the honest player who does not gold farm. These gold farmers who get thier accounts banned just go out and buy another copy of the game and therefore blizzard gets more money from these gold farmers then the community.
I would not be suprised if the majority of the 2+ Million subscribers listed by Blizzard included the gold farmers with banned accounts.
Since we are in a MAJOR RECESSION and with New MMO developers having money issues getting thier product out the door, Blizzard is making money and making a profit off the backs of the gold farmers who keeps buying copies of the game when they get thier accounts banned.
Since Blizzard is being filthy rich, would not be equally suprised to find that thier lawyers have found ways around the IRS with legal loopholes.
Blizzard says they have a zero tolerance against gold farmers, well if you look at thier track record then they been lying to you. They like to fool people with thier public face so to speak. They find people like the author easy to fool to promote thier public image regarding gold farmers.
One of the major reasons I quit World of Warcraft was the negative aspect of the gold farming issue. On the AH kept seeing over priced items on the AH where I did not have the gold to buy them and could not get into guilds or groups due to lack of gear and was told that one has to basicly cheat to get ahead aka become a gold farmer. When the latest expansion came out last year, ran into the same problem and that is when decided to quit, cancel account, uninstall the game and threw the disks in the trash after cutting them up. I was that disgusted with them over the issue.
Relax
Earning enough gold to get by is just too easy in WoW. If you have to explode b/c things are too expensive in AH, first ask yourself. How many of the BoE items you really need in the first place. How can you get them? Craftables you should not be all buying, you should be able to craft one or two types, unless you are a duel collection class, which then you should be happy things are expensive in AH. You got more gold selling mats.
As for Blizz earning box money from gold sellers, can you show us a working solution to stop gold farmers from buying the boxes. Maybe register the personal ID of the person buying WoW. Verify his ID and maybe, ask him to fly to Blizz headquarters, perform a body check before selling him a copy?
You cannot blame Blizz if someone intend to commit a crime. So long as Blizz is banning the farmers, Blizz is doing its part. Not that WoW is designed in a way where you need to buy gold in order to have reasonable gold for daily gaming.
Wouldn't work, tbh. There'd still be a large portion of players who enjoy the advantage that buying gold offers them on the servers where it isn't allowed (all servers, currently).
@ ;Zorndorf: Dailies and the obscene amount of gold they introduced only served to hyper-inflate the market further. I agree, however, that it does help counter the farmer-introduced inflation in that it makes their contributions less substantial. In the end the effect is still the same in that for new players (primarily those who wish to avoid the market/AH) the task of earning gold enough to meet WoW's gold-removal functions (mounts, re-specs, etc.) can seem quite daunting. The only way to thrive then becomes to practice use of the AH. Not everyone enjoys that aspect of a game, and I can understand that. The greatest part about it is that the same players who wish to avoid the markets of games are the same ones who buy gold from the farmers who've inflated the economy to the point of unaffordability in the first place. They're shooting their own feet.
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw
What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde
Let me speak on this. [I've always wanted to start a rant with that!] I've bought gold before. My friend begged and berated me until I at least gave WoW a shot. I did, and I liked it. It was my second MMO. [My first being as a beta-tester for CoH.] So, my friend had a capped mage and was starting an alt to play with me to "show me the game". What I didn't realize at the time, was that it wasn't about showing me the game, it was that he wanted a Rogue alt and I was his heal-bot. He gave me 16 slot bags and 10 gold. All from his fully legal level 60. [At the time that was cap.] This was/is to this day my only friend who plays MMOs. And he'll only play WoW. At the time, he was working a full-time job and was in bed by 10 P.M. I am on disability and am a natural night-owl.
Whatever my personality is, being a heal-bot got boring rather quickly. So, I decided to make an alt. Well, starting out with CoH, I have confirmed alt-itis. So, I quickly wanted at least one of every class. And after trying groups, I quickly decided I liked to solo MUCH better than grouping. I come from an AD&D background, and my friend wouldn't even give me time to read the quest text! It drove me nuts!
Anyway, I take my time and read text whenever I want. Look at my Talents whenever I want. Alt-Tab to the forums, sometimes. Whatever. I like to play slow. And I like to solo play every type of build I can think of that's interesting. Needless to say, I had to spread to other servers because there's a 10 character cap. Besides, I like the atmosphere of RP Servers. [Even if I rarely RP online with anyone. . It just doesn't compare to my group of live friends.] So, I've bought gold for my characters on my main server. AND I've bought gold every time I expanded to a new server. I buy 100 gold, and divide it as I see fit between the characters.
However, I DO NOT PvP. Not ever. Only once did I try it just to see what the hell it was, because I had no idea what WSG was. Somebody randomly asked me, and I said, "ok". Not even knowing what it was. Needless to say, I was no help. Did my bought gold provide me an advantage in my epic foray into PvP? Alas, no. Perhaps I was one-shotted by a lesser amount than someone who played it "honest"? I don't know. I'm not bitter about being one-shotted, mind you. I just dislike PvP. I am just not a competitive person. I like to chill, and fight mobs at MY discretion. Care Bear? Yes. They're cute. [Better than Fraggles, even.]
So no, I'm not "sorry" for buying gold. I don't care what "the rules" according to Blizzard, say. It's my $15 a month, and I like to just be left alone and do my own thing. Hell, it's not like I even buy anything outragous! I'll just buy a character something from the Auction House. Oh, especially bags! Before the two new races, bags just would not freaking drop for me! And the running back and forth drives me nuts. Anyway, so I buy bags and whatever green equipment will help me to solo better. The freaking prices of a simple dagger, and whatnot is sick. [And not in that newfangled teenage internet meaning of "sick"!]
I don't believe that the "chinese gold farmers" [as the stereotype goes] are the main ones driving the economy prices sky-high. Whenever I [or anyone else], put an item on the Auction House for too little money [i.e. a reasonable price], people will type in /trade with perfect english and with perfect puncuation and all calling whomever did it "noobs". And saying they're "ruining the economy". It sounds like pure American [and Canadian] greed, to me. And I personally feel the economy is already ruined and needs to be rehauled. The biggest problem is that typical fps-ffa-l33t-lewt-epic sux0r DKP vets feel the game STARTS at the level cap. And that's a stupid notion. The game starts as you create the character. And then you finish whatever tutorial, and get on with things. You don't just create a level 80 character. [Not yet, anyway] Hell, after all this time playing, a couple of years now, my highest level non--Death Knight character is level 55! Of course, I have my characters capped. I have the 50 character maximum. I can't help it. I like the game. And I like playing all the different classes. But I wont apologize for who I am. And if I want to buy my character gold, too bad. If you feel my character that wont team with you ruins your gaming experience because I bought a staff with + Spell-Power off of the Auction House, then you need more help than I can give.
I don't care if Blizzard calls it cheating. When we play D&D, our level 1 characters start out with max hit-points for that class. [Wizard gets the full four hit-points, etc..] That wasn't according to the rules in second edition. We don't care. We're playing our game. And if a Wizard wants to use a long-bow, we'll let them. It certainly wont unbalance the game any! [Not with their THAC0.] So yeah, I've done it. And I probably have more fun playing, than you do.
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Your ARGUMENT is not VALID if you can Justify gold selling. then would that mean you can CHEAT in RL also???
Hmm let me ask you that it is ok to CHEAT in a virtual world so buy your thought it is ok to cheat in the RL world.
Sorry not my CUP of tea.
All hail the unflapable paragon of righteousness. You have never jaywalked I suppose? Bet you never cruised thru a stop sign on your bike, and I bet you stay 1 mph BELOW the speed limit as you don't EVER 'cheat' in real life. You don't cheat in rl, my ass.
Gold buyers are a lot more akin to a jaywalker than a murderer; get over yourself.
Your ARGUMENT is not VALID if you can Justify gold selling. then would that mean you can CHEAT in RL also???
Hmm let me ask you that it is ok to CHEAT in a virtual world so buy your thought it is ok to cheat in the RL world.
Sorry not my CUP of tea.
All hail the unflapable paragon of righteousness. You have never jaywalked I suppose? Bet you never cruised thru a stop sign on your bike, and I bet you stay 1 mph BELOW the speed limit as you don't EVER 'cheat' in real life. You don't cheat in rl, my ass.
Gold buyers are a lot more akin to a jaywalker than a murderer; get over yourself.
Unfortunately jay-walking only get you killed if you are careless, but goldbuying leading to hacking, as goldsellers no long farm gold, they take orders then hack the accounts they already got pwd, but never touch, pool gold sell stuffs, and mail the gold to the client.
The current way of anti-goldsales, already allow companies to track dubious farmers. Once detected, the dubious characters will be suspended. What is means is, if you farm gold on your alt and sell, once your sale is detected, you account will be banned, along with remaining gold farmed but not yet sold. The goldsellers know this, they do not farm any more, they hack accounts and retain the stolen pwd. When they got an order they try each of the hecked account till they got in one of them, racksack it, and mail the money directly to the goldbuyer's alt. This way, even if the game developer stops it, or punish the traders, the hacker stays clean.
You can try to pretend you are doing your own business. You can go buy a baby from the traffickers and say you are saving a baby. Fact is, you just induced the trafficker to place an order for another abduction. Same for gold buying.
Really I dont know how people can see it any other way......Buying gold is never a good thing.....The gold spammers ruin the game for many and you are inflating the economy by buying.......Really its time that the game companies stop gold selling/buying.....its been going on for way too long and it needs to stop........
Just an FYI, as I have done some research into this.
Gold farmers generally do not use the auction halls.
Most of the sweatchops does not allow it, for different reason.
And they "tally" their gold at the end of each shift, meaning that if it sells the person on that character who gets the cash can add it to their tally.
As a result they vendor everything, or try the trade channel if an item of special value come into their hands.
Or they are sold internally to one of the managers who are allowed to use the AH, and know a little bit of english.
No "old" items enter the game from these people.
The only thing entering the game is gold, driving up prises for everyone.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Also another thing like to point out, every year for the past 4 years Congress has tried to pass a resolution or law if you will for the IRS to tax people for using online gold. IRS believes that this online gold buying/selling issue is costing them billions of dollars of revenue that they believe the US Government can use.
Unless people realize this and companies like Blizzard realizes the possiblity of this happening, they need to not only educate but reduce the problem of gold buying/selling and the farmers associated it with it.
It is cause and effect, if you make the game too hard or make fees and prices ingame too high people will resort to online cheating and gold farmers is another form of cheating but hey we been brought to believe cheating is ok, we cheat in school, work so why not online even though cheating is morally wrong it still happens.
As for the AH, I remember one time reported a person who had put up a lvl 3 item for 4,000 gold and bam next day that item price was reduced to what a newbie can afford a few coppers. Yes people will put outragous prices on the AH thinking since they have all this gold be it either they got it legally or by cheating they need to get rid of it or they get accused and banned for cheating.........
So I can see that lot of honest players not wanting to get banned for cheating will not go out of the way to NOT get good gear, farm items, advoid farming guilds or leave thier own guild when members in said guild starts to farm stuff to make a ton of gold. An the PVP aspect and requirement for raiding/pvp has produced a vicious mindset that is ok to cheat to get ahead so you can win and who gives a XXXX to the carebears.
Yes was one of those carebears that got kicked from a PVE guild that merged with a raiding/pvp gear requirement you must get by any means including cheating or get lost.
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ps. not going to name any names and yes it was an alliance guild. I changed to alliance after getting the same treatment from the horde side so it happens on both sides........
Yeah,try getting in a PuG or Guild with just ok gear! You get laughed at ,told your a noob then get a ton of pms telling you how bad your gear is. Thats why I solo everything,dont even try to grp any more. Its not worth the frustration the uber-leet bring to the game experiance.
I dont agree with gold buying/selling.Some people just feel they dont have any other way to get ahead in game.I blame this on the players who feel you have to have the uber-leet lewts to be worth a damn. So,untill that changes,we will have gold buying/selling.
Trust me,Im a doctor!
Wait, you believe the IRS is going to tax World of Warcraft Gold? That is the funniest thing I've heard all day! Will they tax Tooth-Fairy money too? Oh man, I'd better watch out, they might try and tax my D&D characters next!
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