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What to do on EvE? (not a rant, a question)
chilly444
Member Posts: 20
Ok, i asked this question on the eve forums and i got spammed and off topic like you wouldnt believe becaues people thought i was ridiculing the game. infact i am not, i am putting together what i know of the game and asking what is there to do?
There are a few qualifiers though, as a trial account i don't have limitless time to train though if i find any worth in it i wil invest in this game. so please don't say "get some BPCs throw go mine a bit, put together a frigate then go rat untill they come back blah blah blah" all that stuff requires specialized training, which i don't have time for. I also have been told you can scam and stuff but im not the kind of person to do that. Pirating is fine but to intentionally lie to some one just to get a bit of isk? i think that is just shallow.
This is what i believe there is to do so far:
1) Missions- you get missions, you do them you get isk. This to me feels like im doing the same mission over and over and over and over --- and over ---------- and over ---------------------------------- and over. The thing that takes the edge off of it is talking to random people in local and chatting with people in the corporation (the factional corp) I only have level 1 missions but i have heard that missions don't get any better till level 3s, and i don't have the patience or time to grind my standings up to get level 3 missions
2) ratting. This was useless because in high sec space the pirates give hardly any isk, and is just like missioning only you go to alot of empty asteroid fields. I went to low sec space and this is my horror story -- i just got my brand new vexor, and i spent just about all my isk on fitting it. I am in a dead space complex where i thought i would be safe, but no. a tier 2 frigate jumped in and shot down my shields and armor before i even noticed it. so now i'm poor and stuck at the gallente starting station... wonderful
3) PvP, i have never been on the offensive in PvP because im not in a corp and i havent had the chance.
4) mining, highly specialized, something that you need to spec into. i made an alt and trained everything i could for a basic miner just to find out that trials can't use haulers. waste of time
5) industry, requires some specialization but it helps to mine so i have been told, instead of buying all your resources which (as i have been told) can turn out no profit at all.
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EVE is first and foremost a social game. the best parts of it come out when you work as a team. I had the most fun in the game when I finally joined a player owned corp and we starting ratting and mining together. I'll admit I also enjoyed solo ratting back in the old days, when the game had 10k concurrent users, and it was possible to solo in 0.1-0.4 space if you were careful. seeing how my new fittings could work, trying out blaster frigs, my first setup with 4x 720mm arties.
but what to do? its sandboxy, you look around till something seems interesting and you try it out. it could be running a corp, it could be trying to take over a large portion of space, it could be trying to corner the market on a certain product. The game isn't for everyone, but if it is it should give you a good deal of enjoyment.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I think the main problem with an EVE trial is it is just not long enough, you can't get enough decent skills withing 14 days for you to experience the game and be able to make meaningful decisions on what you want to do with the game. I've returned after a 3 year absence and rerolled. As I'm starting again with the training I'm figuring out what I want to do longterm so I have an idea what I want to train in order to get there.
I'm currently doing missions (still level 1) as I realize they are a means to an end. They give me something to do while skills train and give me isk to do it when I get there. I figured out pretty quickly that I'm leaving wrecks everywhere so I trained Salvaging so I can put a Salvager I on my destoryer (this will become my dedicating Salvager ship when I move on to level 2 missions). I do not plan on ninja salvaging as I know it would irritate me if my wrecks get stolen but I can still use it to Salvage my mission wrecks I create.
What you need to do is figure out what you enjoy doing in game and work towards that goal. Read some of the guides on the EVE website and look at some of the professions stickies on the forums to help you figure out what you want to do. As the previous psoter said, EVE is about doing things as a team, you get much more accomplished with help than without it.
what to do in EVE.....
buy a hauler
Find a decent roid belt
turn on mining lasers
take a shower
empty cargo into a can
click mining lasers
go to bed
, but don't forget to click on the skill that takes 8 hours to learn before you do!
Ahh, something I forgot to say. I honestly have zero experience with level 1 missions because i skipped right to level 2 missions. the key is to find a level 2 agent with very low quality. My first agent was a Roden Shipyards level 2 with -18 quality, still far more fun and better rewards than a level 1 agent. and I because I had recently joined a clan, I had a good enough rating with roden from just being in the clan to start off with her.
Like I said, the game really gets good when you play it with other people. If some random person hadn't "adopted" me when I came back to the game right as tech 2 was hitting (after leaving shortly after beta ended) I doubt I would have enjoyed the game nearly as much. Currently not playing EVE, but I may drop by again now that i've finished most of the latest WoW expansion. (yes, some of us can like mainstream and niche games)
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
EVE is boring, the fans are just more intelligent.
They will suggest you to join a guild (Corporation), but with a guild even a browser-game is funny. Look at Darkfall.
Ok, as I recently got back into eve and started a new character as my old one was... Crap, and before all the newbie friendliness came in, I was lost. I can help!
Number 1 - under social skills there's a skill called connections - it will raise your effective standing with corps and agents, I have mine at level 2, and I have access to high quality level 1 agents, and level 2 agents, the higher you train it, the higher your standing.
If you want to be a pirate, train diplomacy, and talk to a pirate npc and get missions from them, that's the easy pirate way, there's other pirating activies though.
Number 2 - try to get into a decent player corp in an alliance, that way you can get into their nullsec controlled space and rat there, though nullsec is stronger than 0.4 - 0.1... But it was a mistake going into low sec without scouting the area first (in a noobship preferably). Check local.
Number 3 - See above about corps.
Number 4 - Meh, up to you what to do, I use an exequror atm for mining. I trained up to use tier 2 mining lasers, I can do it quite well, but it is specialised, it comes really profitable in deadspace roid belts and mining barges / exhumers.
Number 5 - Try reproccessing loot, it turns into stuff, I dabbled into it and got hobgoblins made, was a neat little profit but it's not my thing, I hear you can make ALOT of money off it, but it is - of course, helpful if you do high level missions and mine.
Try salvaging mission wrecks for extra cash, level 1's can still turn in a tidy profit from spending an extra 5 minutes salvaging the wrecks.
Download EVEMon too.
Over the past 6 months I've been reading threads like this.
I like to help people too, so I've even gone out of my way to try to show some new folks around Eve- given them startup capital, a few ships, pointers, etc.
Sadly, I am coming to the conclusion that people who ask questions like "what is there to do in Eve?" Will never get the game. No harm, no foul.. you should probably just move on to something else.
Everyone I know that likes Eve pretty much had a couple years worth of stuff that they wanted to do after their second day. I frequently have so many concurrent projects ongoing that it takes discipline just to focus on ONE of them. I won't reiterate the list of stuff you can do in Eve that's been written on this forum 100 times before.
My honest answer to your question, with no malice or judgement, is that all of the possibilities in Eve are self evident and there waiting for you to discover. If you have to ask, you'll probably never understand.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/view/forums/thread/235999/Eve-An-insight-into-Eve-for-new-players.html
OP in eve(or other sandbox) you and your guild make your *what to do* the list that you put is just *tools* for your to do
BestSigEver :P
OP you have to decide what you want to do. The game isn't going to tell you or force you into anything.
Missions and ratting are only for making ISK. Don't expect them to hold your attention for the long haul especially if you're going to do it solo.
Judging by #2 you just learned one of the hardest lessons in EVE. Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose. That motto plastered all over the forums but it only really sinks in when an expensive ship of yours is blown up and you're left with little to no ISK I learned the hard way as well. I didn't heed the advice of a former CEO and went ratting in a Myrm during a war dec. The results weren't pretty.
Believe me, join a player corp ASAP. A lot of options will open up to you. Unfortunately a lot of corps will not take players on a trail account so you maybe limited in this respect. I was hooked the day my corp, which belongs to the milita, got into a three way battle with an opposing militia blob and a pirate fleet. Good times.
Also you're going to want to specialize in something (combat, industry, mining) eventually. That way after a few months you feel like you've accomplished something. Dabbling in everything is fun in the beginning but it will take a very long time to get good at anything.
Good luck in your EVE endeavor!
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
You got flamed off the Eve forums by the looks of it because you are not just asking questions. You are making statements and bashing the game.
If you think mining and industrialists are HIGHLY SPECIALIZED then you are in the wrong game. Those professions are probably a couple of the least specialized trades in the game. You sound like you just wanted everything in the trial without any work whatsoever.
I will put this in the nicest possible way for you. Eve is not a game for you. Sorry it just isn't, you are better off spending your time finding another game you will enjoy. This is not an insult or flame at you at all, this is just simple friendly advice.
You got flamed off the Eve forums by the looks of it because you are not just asking questions. You are making statements and bashing the game.
If you think mining and industrialists are HIGHLY SPECIALIZED then you are in the wrong game. Those professions are probably a couple of the least specialized trades in the game. You sound like you just wanted everything in the trial without any work whatsoever.
I will put this in the nicest possible way for you. Eve is not a game for you. Sorry it just isn't, you are better off spending your time finding another game you will enjoy. This is not an insult or flame at you at all, this is just simple friendly advice.
Your response is complete FAIL.
Get a life.
Ok list how he failed in his response.
Or are you just trolling?
Im having a hard time wrapping my mind around that. The intro of the game is so slow that unless one has done some research before they started, it is impossible to know what the options even are let alone know which ones one wants to pursue.
So maybe what is being pointed at there is that EVE is best enjoyed if you read up and do research BEFORE playing?
Im having a hard time wrapping my mind around that. The intro of the game is so slow that unless one has done some research before they started, it is impossible to know what the options even are let alone know which ones one wants to pursue.
So maybe what is being pointed at there is that EVE is best enjoyed if you read up and do research BEFORE playing?
The tone of the response alone is enough to qualify as FAIL, but what really pushing it into fail is the claim the the OP is "bashing" the game. Give me a break. He wrote a thoughtful and respectful thread seeking some input.
You got flamed off the Eve forums by the looks of it because you are not just asking questions. You are making statements and bashing the game.
If you think mining and industrialists are HIGHLY SPECIALIZED then you are in the wrong game. Those professions are probably a couple of the least specialized trades in the game. You sound like you just wanted everything in the trial without any work whatsoever.
I will put this in the nicest possible way for you. Eve is not a game for you. Sorry it just isn't, you are better off spending your time finding another game you will enjoy. This is not an insult or flame at you at all, this is just simple friendly advice.
Your response is complete FAIL.
Get a life.
Wow. That's deep.
Im having a hard time wrapping my mind around that. The intro of the game is so slow that unless one has done some research before they started, it is impossible to know what the options even are let alone know which ones one wants to pursue.
So maybe what is being pointed at there is that EVE is best enjoyed if you read up and do research BEFORE playing?
there is no doubt that it is hard to see what options there is at the beginning of the game, but i definitely felt that there was a lot in the game that i wanted to untangle.
For a start, i was in awe at the statistics available to me. when i looked at the market i was shocked, simply trying to buy something introduced me to a huge and complicated part of the game. Opening the system map, seeing the statistic, people dying, the sovereignty in 0.0, etc. how could i understand what was going on? What skills can i train? dear god there is a lot. Then the ship choices, can i learn to fly them all well? How are things produced? all tech 2 modules and items are made by players for players, how do they do that? Players can build and operate those huge space stations that you dock in? WTF?!
if these open ended questions don't excite you then EVE is not your kind of game.
Nurgles, I was going to try to clarify my post above.
You, however, have explained EXACTLY what I meant perfectly and elegantly. Made me laugh too (WTF??!!).
Thanks!
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Qweniden,
best advice i can give you, if you dont know whats on offer in eve, is to join Eve University, they can and will try to show you a little bit about almost everything that eve could offer you, though, there are some limits, Eve U wont show you capital warfare, because they dont own any 0.0.
They will, however, give you the basics of the many things you could do in eve. They are not PvP centric, if thats what you want there are other corps such as Black Rabbits who show the piracy side of Eve for new pilots, but the Uni will teach you the basics of flying in a fleet, tackling and the introductory steps of PvP. Its up to you to find what you like doing, Eve gives to each player what they are prepared to put into it. Mining to Warfare, Eve Uni can show you a little bit of it all.
Join channel Eve University to ask questions and get answers, its also where you can join Eve Uni, if you should decide to do so.
F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html