Is this what MMO gamers hate?

Aryas

Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:

1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.

2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.

3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.

4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.

5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.

6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.

Discuss.

hanshotfirst

I give it a 4 out of 10 on the shamelessly obvious attempt at trolling scale. I would have been more generous had OP included time-honored gems such as "carebear" and "sandbox".

Forcan

Originally posted by Aryas


Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:
1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.
I doubt MMO players "hate"  this feature.  But to make sure it functions correctly, there are elements and variables to take into consideration (bandwidth, how the character skills are set up and calculated, the communication between server and client, etc...)
2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.
Most would agree that PvP-focused games are a niche market (even if there are a strong following for these games).  So it's not "hate", just not as popular as the mainstream PvE games.
3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.
Well, this goes down to design.  Some feel that the more solo-friendly the game is, it also took away the usefulness of group game-play (due to contents).  So until there is a way to have enough contents for both (so far the trend is heading toward more solo-friendly at first and the hit the raid mentality).
4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.
No one hates decent graphics, but people have different preferences to what they view as the type that support immersion.
5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.
You mean arena and battleground?  This is debatable, but I think it's better to have such events to work with open-world PvP (if set up correctly, it can affect the game world more, and thus create more unique community game-play).
6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.
Skill as in character skill?  The debate in this is Jack-of-all-trade vs specialization, clear/pre-determine role vs user-designed role.  And how effective these systems are.  Also, there is a debate on the idea of FOTM (Flavor of the Month), which exist in ALL TYPE of character progression system.  But people will still argue which system will have FOTM more frequently due to balancing and such.
Discuss.

 

Death1942

Originally posted by Aryas


Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:
1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.
2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.
3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.
4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.
5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.
6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.
Discuss.

1. personal preference really but there are many older people playing MMO's who struggle with twitch based gameplay.  I had a 50 yr old friend in WoW who quit is rogue because he could not pull out combos fast enough.

2. You have this 100% wrong.  The reason why many people dislike PVP is the people who do it are (the vocal ones at least) complete jerks.  The AI isn't going to scream profanities at me for owning it in a 1 on 1 fight and the AI (most of the time) isn't going to grab a bunch of friends and gank me for 'revenge' (thought that would be awesome to see an AI do that)

3. this is a pet hate.  I love groups and i think it should be a big part of the game.  I am however also quite casual with playing (due to other commitments) at times and i do find the solo aspect helpful.  I just don't think group stuff is made with as much love as it used to.

4.  11 million people play 1 game alone, you can't possibly have 11 million 'gaming' rigs in that group.  It's a fact of life that most people don't have anything even remotely close to a gaming rig and MMO's have to deal with that.  Of course LOTRO blows most games out of the water and i could still play it on my $500(AUS) machine

5. WoW did it so everyone thinks its great.  I bet you most people who enjoy those scenarios (which are fun sometimes) have never seen any other form of PvP and think it is the one and only form.  Open world is 100 times better than any other form of PvP but there are problems.  1. it will always be unbalanced (your failing hard on the tactical side of things if it is) and most people can't deal with that (nerfs, buffs anyone?) and 2.  it is harder to organise than just clicking a few buttons and twirling around on the local inn roof until you pop into the scenario.

6.  I would say the biggest gripe people have with this is there is no clear path.  Any game that offers you quests all the way to cap is going to have about a million guides on the best quests to grab and you would be surprised at how many follow it (mostly casual's with little time on their hands).  Of course deep down i think the community is roughly  60/40 on level/skill based it's just there is really only 1 decent skill based game out there right now and its also time based (though it does have 300k subs).

Leethe

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Originally posted by Aryas
Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:
1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.
2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.
3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.
4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.
5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.
6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.
Discuss.

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Give up and go read a book or something.

I'm an MMO player and I love twitch based combat. It's PvP in MMOs that I have no love for.

I solo as much as I group in MMOs. It's all down to what I'm in the mood for.

Graphics are always secondary to gameplay.

Deathmatch and instagib are still my favourites.

Ganking holds no challenge for me. Killing other players on an equal footing with equal weapons is real for me.

Skill based MMOs are great...if you can find one that has no skilling dummies or is a level tree dressed up as 'skill progression'.

I suspect you know all this already and realize that such sweeping generalizations will only lead to a large amount of replies...which I suspect is your only intention. I also realise that I have merely confirmed this. Oh well.

LynxJSA

Originally posted by hanshotfirst


I give it a 4 out of 10 on the shamelessly obvious attempt at trolling scale. I would have been more generous had OP included time-honored gems such as "carebear" and "sandbox".

 

WINNAR!

FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by Aryas


Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:
1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.
2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.
3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.
4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.
5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.
6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.
Discuss.

IN regards to twitch play.  Some people really want that because the feel they are playing their character rather than player a character.  These same people feel that just because they can't cast a lightning bolt spell in the real world their character should still be able to.........

 

faefrost

Originally posted by Aryas


Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:
1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.
While most MMO players actually love some real skills based combat, sorry but "Twitch" isn't it. Most MMO players are not overly sugarfied overly cafeinated hyperactive 12 year old playstation junkies from birth. We do not play like them. We never will play like them. And we have no desire to be lumped and dumped onto their playground, with some claiming it involves "skill".
2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.
Sorry, I have heard this arguement a thousand times over. And I have tried it. I really have. But after many many years I have come to the gods honest conclusion that your all too typical overly sugarfied overly caffeinated 12 year old twitch junkt pvp player could not pass a Turing Test. Spin around me in a circle spamming the same sequence of buttons is not brilliant strategy. It is not skill. It is not challenging AI. It isn't even a sign of inteligence. Yes there are some brilliant PvP oponents out there. But what it takes to actually find them is far more godawful then the PvE grind you describe. Spending hours grinding mindless morons is no more pleasent then grinding giant rats. Actually alot less so. At least the rats don't offer to "anally rape my mother with my dog".
3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.
Most MMO players prefer a balanced mix of social gameplay and individual progression. They are not fond of forced grouping nor are they fond of what they percieve as a single player game with other people. There is some middle ground here. The second M stands for Multiplayer. So no, the antisocial sociopaths don't tend to thrive in most modern games.
4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.
As others have stated, It isn't so much that they do not like decent graphics. Its just that they prefer better gameplay, and a broader playerbase. Believe it or not most have seen how experiemnts to boost the graphics up to eye dropping levels in a MMO turn out, and the problems of scale that quickly come about. Do the names Asherons Call 2, Horizons, Vanguard or Age of Conan mean anything to you? They are textbook examples of why cutting edge graphics are often not the best option for MMO's. Particularly content driven MMORPG's.  There are whole dissertations on the reasoning behind this throughout these and other forums, but one of the core reasons is the more cutting edge you make the graphics, the more man hours are required to generate new content. And the man hour requirements scale up almost logirythmically. A sword that takes 10 man hours to create in a low polly game such as WoW, may take 100 man hours to make in a higher polly game such as Conan. (This was a huge issue for those who transitioned from the low polly Asherons Call to the cutting edge Asherons Call 2 back in the day). Just because you can make the pretty graphics work for a fixed and self contained single player game, does not mean it works well as a continuing ongoing and expanding game such as MMO's are.
5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.
Yes because all we play for is to wave our e-peens in dueling. We want to "feel like the man". Uh huh. Please go back under your bridge troll boy. We are not crazy about "organized match PvP" because quite frankly it is dull as shit. No really. It is once again a 12 year olds game play style. the same clowns who sit around spamming "duel" at anything that moves including rabits and chickens. Even most PvP'er want something deeper and with more consequence. They like goals and stories. DAoC did it very well with their open world RvR. It probably drew in more PvP'ers then anything else.
6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.
Once again as an older gamer I really question the flawed premise that "twitch" = "skill". Knowing when to use abilities. Knowing how to use your abilities to their fullest. Knowing exactly what your partners and your oponents are capable of, when they are using their abilities, and how to best counter them. This is skill. Mashing buttons faster and jumping around to exploit movement bugs is not and never will be skill. Knowing how to break animations or exploit systems will never ever be skill.
Discuss.
Discuss? Sure. YOU ARE ON THE WRONG BOARDS! The game you are looking for is called an FPS. Prominant names of them include Doom, Quake and Team Fortress. I understand the Call fo Duty series is also quite popular if you like some historical settings thrown into your fps leetness. Here we play MMORPG's. We tend to prefer something with a diferent type of playstyle and depth. If this is not your preferred type or choice of playstyle that is more then fine. But please do not assume your playstyle choices are in any way a flaw or an invalidation of my playstyle and games of choice and that of those around me here.

 

neschria

Wow. Trolltastic. Anyway... 

Regarding point #1, some of us are still interested in mmo*RPG*s, where our success is based on our character's skill. You are not your character. Developing your character's skills is part of the game. There are plenty of other, non-ROLEPLAYING genres were I could go sneak around corners and blow people's heads off. That's just not what I am looking for in a ROLEPLAYING game.

 

altairzq

Stupid thread of 2009, congratulations.

MidniteHowl

Originally posted by Aryas


Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:
1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.
2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.
3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.
4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.
5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.
6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.
Discuss.

I'm going to have to go ahead and say yes...yes I hate all that and that's why I play MMO's. Thanks for pointing it out for me! Now that you got that off your chest why don't you go jump in circles around an enemy while holding down your trigger button in a first-person shooter game!

 

Cephus404

Originally posted by Aryas


Would I be correct if I claimed MMO players hate the following:
1. Twitch gameplay... because it requires a degree of personal ability.
2. PvP-focused games... because grinding mobs to collect x number of whatever is SOOO much more challenging than fighting a real person.
3. Games that allow you to do well playing as an individual... because like any given team sportman, MMO gamers are useless on their own.
4. Decent graphics... coz they don't run well on a 10-year olds £350 PC.
5. Organised match-style PvP... because you can't gank low levellers and 'feel like the man' so easily.
6. Games that allow progress based on skill... coz all I've got is time on my hands to grind, I don't wanna try and develop any form of skill ffs.
Discuss.

1.  I don't mind it at all, within reason.  I think there ought to be some degree of response time that rewards skilled players, but doesn't unduly punish people who aren't as coordinated.

2.  If I wanted to play PvP, I'd be playing a FPS.  The last thing I want to do is shoot at someone leaping around the screen like a spastic spider monkey.  No thanks.

3.  I want a game that allows both solo and team play, you can't always find someone else the right level/profession/whatever who wants to do what you're doing, I play solo about 90% of the time for that reason.  Both need to be supported and while someone who teams most of the time may level faster, just because the team can go after harder prey than the solo person, both should be able to achieve the same goals.

4.  I don't give a damn about graphics, eye-candy is idiotic.  Sure, it's nice to look at a game like Crysis, but if it plays like crap, who cares?  Graphics is almost to the very bottom of my list of priorities.

5.  Screw PvP.

6.  I like skill-based systems, if they are done well.  The problem is, most are done very poorly, you're not rewarded for actually using skills, games like EvE, you can be training one thing while doing something entirely different.  It really ought to work so that if you practice a certain skill, you get better at it.  If you don't, you don't.  But nobody ever wants that.

ElGuappo

As an avid FPS gamer, I've longed for an MMO that has stable, consistent twitch-based combat bolted to a solid MMO engine, hence looking forward to games like Huxley and ER. In my opinion this is a far more satisfying style of playing than simply going toe to toe with someone or something and clicking icons.

Technically, I'm a pvp addict but only in terms of FPS games like CoD4. The pvp mechanics of games like WoW or WAR are far less about skill than they are about gear and buffs. As such they hold little interest for me in comparison to FPS.

I've also played in clans for years, competing in leagues and tournaments that require not only skill but tactics and planning. But even then it's not working as a team that will get you the win so much as knowing who to give what role within that team. The best teams exploit your skills as an idividual, they just fit them into an overall strategy. PVE grouping in WoW & WAR has almost nothing to do with skill and is more about following a checklist; PVP grouping is better but still, for me, no comparison to FPS.

skyexile

If only there were more MMOs like that, except for the instanced pvp...that shits lame, why make a MMO then instance all your combat so its nolonger massive...

warty

haha. cant believe such a blatent terrible attempt at trolling did so well

 

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL

Pinkerl

the post is oviously sarcastic and i guess i agree.

 

i found this game called Three Kingdoms Battle Begins and it have this system organized pvp hourly. window pop up asking if you want to join which i think is cool and it is level ranged group. i remmeber back 5 years ago when i subscribe to lineage 2 and seems no one wants to pvp. when i attack them they always say stop it and the siege pvp doe's not have that much people participate.

 

system organized pvp is encouraging people to pvp

ianubisi

Being snide is such a fashion on the internet.