Who care whether evolution is true or not. I think it probably is. People just like to use evolutoin to vouch for atheism because all they know about a higher being is from religion which is dumb. Religion and athiesm are both dumb in their own ways
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
Ill trust that he operates at that level when he tells me himself...
Logical paradox?.. God tends to generate those :P
Being agnostic myself im enjoying the vew from the fence post, at this point, I have 0 reason to beleive god is real. But I would not ignore actual evidence to keep that view. I'd like to think Id be very open to a change should actual reason present itself. The lack of evidence does not constitute evidence to the contrary so at this point the church has nothing for me.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Who care whether evolution is true or not. I think it probably is. People just like to use evolutoin to vouch for atheism because all they know about a higher being is from religion which is dumb. Religion and athiesm are both dumb in their own ways
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
Who care whether evolution is true or not. I think it probably is. People just like to use evolutoin to vouch for atheism because all they know about a higher being is from religion which is dumb. Religion and athiesm are both dumb in their own ways
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
Who care whether evolution is true or not. I think it probably is. People just like to use evolutoin to vouch for atheism because all they know about a higher being is from religion which is dumb. Religion and athiesm are both dumb in their own ways
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
Who care whether evolution is true or not. I think it probably is. People just like to use evolutoin to vouch for atheism because all they know about a higher being is from religion which is dumb. Religion and athiesm are both dumb in their own ways
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
I'm saying a higher reasoning power must be out there for our consciouness to be able to preveice things at a much higher level than we are habitualy able. An out of body experience is not a hallucination. A hallucination is the perception of an object from the physcial bdoies point of view. Astral projection through meditation is the tapping into a higher consciousness by shifting ones awareness and stoping the process of thought. You experience other people doing astral projection while in the state yourself. All it does is show you the potential your mind "conscious" already has, which would LEAD me to believe that coinsidence (random combining of things to create) couldnt be a factor. Just to clarify, the atheist seems to think that if that if there is no conscois creator, then coinscidence has to be the maker of things? Although if there were a conscious creator, then how could the creation fully comprehend? Theres no way for the artwork to even begin to understand the mind of the artist?
Lets just end this never ending debate. It can go both ways and it all depends on your type of thinking. Both people precieve themselves to be rational in different ways. And until some holy messiah comes out with pure knowledge of whats true than this debate will last forever.
Who care whether evolution is true or not. I think it probably is. People just like to use evolutoin to vouch for atheism because all they know about a higher being is from religion which is dumb. Religion and athiesm are both dumb in their own ways
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
That's mostly in the realm of the psychologist, not the psychiatrist. Lucid dreams, that is. Hallucinations is, of course, treated by both. Don't forget that a psychologist is a scientist looking for answers on the entire spectrum of human cognition and behaviour, whereas the psychiatrist is a medic at heart that treats mental disorders (much like clinical psychologists.)
Who care whether evolution is true or not. I think it probably is. People just like to use evolutoin to vouch for atheism because all they know about a higher being is from religion which is dumb. Religion and athiesm are both dumb in their own ways
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
I'm saying a higher reasoning power must be out there for our consciouness to be able to preveice things at a much higher level than we are habitualy able. An out of body experience is not a hallucination. A hallucination is the perception of an object from the physcial bdoies point of view. Astral projection through meditation is the tapping into a higher consciousness by shifting ones awareness and stoping the process of thought. You experience other people doing astral projection while in the state yourself. All it does is show you the potential your mind "conscious" already has, which would LEAD me to believe that coinsidence (random combining of things to create) couldnt be a factor. Just to clarify, the atheist seems to think that if that if there is no conscois creator, then coinscidence has to be the maker of things? Although if there were a conscious creator, then how could the creation fully comprehend? Theres no way for the artwork to even begin to understand the mind of the artist?
Lets just end this never ending debate. It can go both ways and it all depends on your type of thinking. Both people precieve themselves to be rational in different ways. And until some holy messiah comes out with pure knowledge of whats true than this debate will last forever.
I can't convince you that it's a hallucination but perhaps you could just acknowledge that people all over the world are always claiming to have experienced unexplainable phenomena, and I assume that you automatically discredit almost all of those claims such as witchcraft and voodoo. So why do you believe in the experiences that you claim are real but can't prove and how do you conclude that those experiences are more real than the ones other people claim?
Also, you're very wrong. There isn't a single evolutionary scientist who believes that everything is a "coincidence". You'll find if you do enough research that everything that we observe, understand and know to be real can be explained by evolution and the big bang. No coincidence involved and no ridiculous odds either.
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How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
Ill trust that he operates at that level when he tells me himself...
Logical paradox?.. God tends to generate those :P
Being agnostic myself im enjoying the vew from the fence post, at this point, I have 0 reason to beleive god is real. But I would not ignore actual evidence to keep that view. I'd like to think Id be very open to a change should actual reason present itself. The lack of evidence does not constitute evidence to the contrary so at this point the church has nothing for me.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
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How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
I'm saying a higher reasoning power must be out there for our consciouness to be able to preveice things at a much higher level than we are habitualy able. An out of body experience is not a hallucination. A hallucination is the perception of an object from the physcial bdoies point of view. Astral projection through meditation is the tapping into a higher consciousness by shifting ones awareness and stoping the process of thought. You experience other people doing astral projection while in the state yourself. All it does is show you the potential your mind "conscious" already has, which would LEAD me to believe that coinsidence (random combining of things to create) couldnt be a factor. Just to clarify, the atheist seems to think that if that if there is no conscois creator, then coinscidence has to be the maker of things? Although if there were a conscious creator, then how could the creation fully comprehend? Theres no way for the artwork to even begin to understand the mind of the artist?
Lets just end this never ending debate. It can go both ways and it all depends on your type of thinking. Both people precieve themselves to be rational in different ways. And until some holy messiah comes out with pure knowledge of whats true than this debate will last forever.
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
That's mostly in the realm of the psychologist, not the psychiatrist. Lucid dreams, that is. Hallucinations is, of course, treated by both. Don't forget that a psychologist is a scientist looking for answers on the entire spectrum of human cognition and behaviour, whereas the psychiatrist is a medic at heart that treats mental disorders (much like clinical psychologists.)
How exactly are they dumb?
Religion gives the view of God in a dogmatic barbaric form, surrounded by mythology that the atheists see as obviously false (which it is). But they dont believe in God for this sole reason, their only viewpoint of him comes from conventional religion.
Many of the great thinkers (plato, socrates, einstein, ect.) believed in a non personal immanent God, but not the conventional view most people know.
This is far from the truth. The reason most atheists don't believe in God is because there is absolutely no evidence for it, and the "gods" Einstein talks about really isn't "god" in definition. Also what you're describing are a group of people, not atheism.
Your right he didnt belive in God in the definition we think of today. He did believe in a superior reasoning power and a "illmitable superior spirit" if you want me to quote him.
Also, show evidence of color to a color blind man using the scienfitic method, its impossible, yet color is known to be true. What i have experienced alone and what other great thinkers have experienced, and religious believers, there is no "evidence" thats going to be presented, just experience. And there is no doubt in my mind something greater than me exists. Look at the world and our symmetric bodies, the capabilities of our mind are extraordinary. Consciousness isn't the product of nothing. If us humans are the highest reasoning power in existance, why cant we create a single cell from scratch? Much less a complex mind and a functioning body.
Im sorry there is no "Hard evidence" for something transcendent. What kind of evidence would you like? God to pop out and say "hey im right here" lol" God" operates on another level.
If you mean to prove the existance of electromagnetic waves, and then to prove that the cells inside the human eye react to different frequencies of those waves then yes it is indeed possible to prove to a blind man that humans can interpret colours. Also, your failure to articulate what you have experienced as being a "godly" encounter doesn't qualify as reason for others to believe in a god. There are tribalmen who have experienced witchcraft from rival tribes, does this mean we must aknowledge the existance of witches?
Also, I as an atheist don't completely rule out the existance of a creator, I just don't believe in any of the man made gods and I certainly don't think that if there was a creator he has earned a prayer every night from me.
I never said what i had was a "godly" encounter. Its just experience that tells you that your not alone, I cant explain it in words and dont interprut what you "think" it is based on no observation of the event. Put something intangable into words then get back to me.
Also there are 3 natural ways people come to the conclusion that the universe is one consciouness. This can be interpruted as God by some or by something that couldn't of become by pure coinscidence, hence design.
Out of body / Meditation / Lucid dreaming - Consciouness expanding experiences where you live in pure awareness, if you havent had one then dont comment because you have no opinion. It is truly a mind blowing experience because you learn that your consciouness extends far outside your body.
Psychedelic Drug experiences - Psychedelics are natural, LSD, peyote, pscyilcibin, ect. If done in the right mood they can make the average drug user experience themselves as one with the universe. Timothy leary, Aldous huxley, ken keasy, ect. They saw a design though these experiences. These drugs change your perception to naked existance and see things for the way they really are.
Quantum Mechanics - Electrons can communicate to each other instantaneously, which Einstein said was impossible cause it violates the iime barrier. Now physcics believe that if the universe was all one interconnected entity this is possible, amoung other observations, plus Einstein was "religious" but not in the traditional sense.
5 senses can be misleading if its all you know. I stress how limited we are in our science and perception, just like anyone who made a significgant impact on the world, and if you venture on outside of the conventional perception and thought you find a world much more beautiful and structured than you can imagine. It must of happened by coinscidence, it must of.
We agree on one thing.
I'm really struggling to identify the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that god must be real because people hallucinate? Ask a good psychiatrist and they'll explain to you how lucid dreams and hallucinations happen with a rational explanation. As for your beautiful input on quantum mechanics, well I'll let you be the judge on that as you seem to be the expert on it. Also, coinsidence has nothing to do with life and the universe, no one ever said that.
I'm saying a higher reasoning power must be out there for our consciouness to be able to preveice things at a much higher level than we are habitualy able. An out of body experience is not a hallucination. A hallucination is the perception of an object from the physcial bdoies point of view. Astral projection through meditation is the tapping into a higher consciousness by shifting ones awareness and stoping the process of thought. You experience other people doing astral projection while in the state yourself. All it does is show you the potential your mind "conscious" already has, which would LEAD me to believe that coinsidence (random combining of things to create) couldnt be a factor. Just to clarify, the atheist seems to think that if that if there is no conscois creator, then coinscidence has to be the maker of things? Although if there were a conscious creator, then how could the creation fully comprehend? Theres no way for the artwork to even begin to understand the mind of the artist?
Lets just end this never ending debate. It can go both ways and it all depends on your type of thinking. Both people precieve themselves to be rational in different ways. And until some holy messiah comes out with pure knowledge of whats true than this debate will last forever.
I can't convince you that it's a hallucination but perhaps you could just acknowledge that people all over the world are always claiming to have experienced unexplainable phenomena, and I assume that you automatically discredit almost all of those claims such as witchcraft and voodoo. So why do you believe in the experiences that you claim are real but can't prove and how do you conclude that those experiences are more real than the ones other people claim?
Also, you're very wrong. There isn't a single evolutionary scientist who believes that everything is a "coincidence". You'll find if you do enough research that everything that we observe, understand and know to be real can be explained by evolution and the big bang. No coincidence involved and no ridiculous odds either.