And with todays release of GU10 and the new battlefields you will see a HUGE increase in PvP, I just finished 4 of them (each takes 15 min when you are inside), I got 32,000 GCW points 125 kills. Since the GCW needed to maintain general is now at 12K, every one that does just 1 or 2 battlefields a week will be ranking up quickly.
And with todays release of GU10 and the new battlefields you will see a HUGE increase in PvP, I just finished 4 of them (each takes 15 min when you are inside), I got 32,000 GCW points 125 kills. Since the GCW needed to maintain general is now at 12K, every one that does just 1 or 2 battlefields a week will be ranking up quickly.
That is the huge surge in pvp?
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I want to thank everyone that helped with battlefields. It was a lot of time, effort, and fun making them! I've gathered a few statistics for our first day for you to glance at.
Unique Players: 3004
Total Participation: 7015 (some played more than once)
This was the "huge surge" in PVP posted by HanseSOE (who seemed quite proud of it). 1st day, new content, "huge surge". 3004 players over 26 servers in a 24 hour period.
Interesting, true. What I find even more interesting is that SWTOR's forum numbers just recently topped 150K with plenty of time to pass till launch. Seems those initial 200k +/- that dropped between CU and NGE have rebuilt the nest elsewhere.
Some of us have more than one TOR forum account and didn't play SWG pre-NGE
Interesting, true. What I find even more interesting is that SWTOR's forum numbers just recently topped 150K with plenty of time to pass till launch. Seems those initial 200k +/- that dropped between CU and NGE have rebuilt the nest elsewhere.
I dont think so, most of my freinds that I made during Pre and CU where not SW fanboys, most just wanted to play a mmo, and back then SWG was cutting edge. I kept in touch with a few, alot moved on to other mmos, some went to WOW, a few to LOTR, and AOC, they all scatterd to diffent games. The people I see on the SWTOR forums look like Bio-ware and KOTOR fanboys, very little SWG players. Go to any mmo forum and you can search out SWG players, most start a thread with "are their any old SWG players here?" Youd be suprised by how many respond to yes.
SWTOR will be a fun RP single player game, but its MMO light and will only be a mmo in towns where you can duel other players, they might add in a battlefeild but its not a true multiplayer game. One thing I learned lately is that the game will be almost old school Pre-cu combat, its going to be a turn based animation combat system like we used to have in SWG. Im sure it will have things we didnt have but it will be like the old combat system in SWG.
Not to derail the thread, but where are you getting that this is not a true multiplayer game? They've explicitly stated there will be solo and group activities.
I think some ppl here forgot about GCW rank decay, which starts at the officer ranks. The amount needed each week is too large to counter without PVP or serious spacecombat grind. This already implies that the actual toons with a rank below officer is larger. The OP doesnt mention rank decay or even the obvious non ranked players, the neutrals! And as last. If you are not playing the game atm, then your cant estimate as well as the players who actually log in and get a feeling of how many players are actually interested in GCW ranks. But go ahead, start nitpicking on this.
Why make excuses? The stats show a declining trend in officer participation in GCW/PvP with each update. Does that show a decline in NGE subscribers? Perhaps yes...Perhaps no. It is only one indicator.
Many critics have played SWG and some still do. It is easy to activiate a trial and scope things out and see for themselves.
Excuses? I didnt do anything wrong, so why would I make excuses? I only pointed out the logical flaw in the OP's and second poster's reasoning. The only conclusion that I came up with is that those statistics dont provide enough info to estimate subs.
Im not here to defend SWG, I just cant stand stupid reasoning with as goal being negative. No matter what the subject is. I just limit myself to reacting on games I find interesting, to prevent having to post all day to pick apart stupid assumptions here on MMORPG.com.
Activite a trial and scope things so to post here in veteran refuge? LOL
Why would one not check the game out? Is that not what the trials are for?
Again...all the these stats show is a downward trend. Nothing more...nothing less. These stats taken with personal observation and comments from current players as well as other stats and information provided one can form an informed opinion. Doesn't make it fact.
Like I said before, it was a reaction to the OP and second poster. Which were only about the statistics and no first hand experience. I never said they claimed it to be a fact, but they used it to make an estimation about the amount of SWG subs.
Unless you conveniently assume they had more information to go over. Which makes your assumption nothing more then a guess, because they didnt mention that in the post.
I wrote:
"Activite a trial and scope things so to post here in veteran refuge? LOL"
You replied :
"Why would one not check the game out? Is that not what the trials are for?"
That just doesnt make sense as a reaction on my comment. I never wrote that you shouldnt activate a trial. Just made it sound silly if you activate a trial while you dont even like the game, but do it anyway so you can post about the game in veteran refuge.
Why cant you just read someone's post more carefully instead of jumping to conclusions like you do? Its as if you dont care what the other poster means, but instead just make up your own version of what you think he means on purpose.
They made an assumption based upon opinion. If PvP trends down is it not a realistic and reasonable hypothesis that game subscriptions may trend down as well?
As far as your trial comment...you belittled a vets reason for possibly doing the trial is all. How else should I have taken your comment? It certainly looks like you were taking a shot doesn't it?
There are several games I do not like but try anyway. Sometimes games change for the better...sometimes they don't. Why do you think SOE provides vet trials every 3 months?
Exactly. I thought i was being pretty clear I knew the information was limited, said nothing about actual numbers, and only showed a trend in one facet of the game. However, i do agree it is reasonable to assume that the GCW number trends reflect more or less the number of people playing.
Do I know this for a fact? Of course not, however, all anyone can ever do is go by the best information available -- which points to exactly what I said when Chapter 6 hit: that it would reverse the prior gains.
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That is the huge surge in pvp?
That is the huge surge in pvp?
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I want to thank everyone that helped with battlefields. It was a lot of time, effort, and fun making them! I've gathered a few statistics for our first day for you to glance at.
Unique Players: 3004
Total Participation: 7015 (some played more than once)
This was the "huge surge" in PVP posted by HanseSOE (who seemed quite proud of it). 1st day, new content, "huge surge". 3004 players over 26 servers in a 24 hour period.
Some of us have more than one TOR forum account and didn't play SWG pre-NGE
I dont think so, most of my freinds that I made during Pre and CU where not SW fanboys, most just wanted to play a mmo, and back then SWG was cutting edge. I kept in touch with a few, alot moved on to other mmos, some went to WOW, a few to LOTR, and AOC, they all scatterd to diffent games. The people I see on the SWTOR forums look like Bio-ware and KOTOR fanboys, very little SWG players. Go to any mmo forum and you can search out SWG players, most start a thread with "are their any old SWG players here?" Youd be suprised by how many respond to yes.
SWTOR will be a fun RP single player game, but its MMO light and will only be a mmo in towns where you can duel other players, they might add in a battlefeild but its not a true multiplayer game. One thing I learned lately is that the game will be almost old school Pre-cu combat, its going to be a turn based animation combat system like we used to have in SWG. Im sure it will have things we didnt have but it will be like the old combat system in SWG.
Not to derail the thread, but where are you getting that this is not a true multiplayer game? They've explicitly stated there will be solo and group activities.
Why make excuses? The stats show a declining trend in officer participation in GCW/PvP with each update. Does that show a decline in NGE subscribers? Perhaps yes...Perhaps no. It is only one indicator.
Many critics have played SWG and some still do. It is easy to activiate a trial and scope things out and see for themselves.
Excuses? I didnt do anything wrong, so why would I make excuses? I only pointed out the logical flaw in the OP's and second poster's reasoning. The only conclusion that I came up with is that those statistics dont provide enough info to estimate subs.
Im not here to defend SWG, I just cant stand stupid reasoning with as goal being negative. No matter what the subject is. I just limit myself to reacting on games I find interesting, to prevent having to post all day to pick apart stupid assumptions here on MMORPG.com.
Activite a trial and scope things so to post here in veteran refuge? LOL
Why would one not check the game out? Is that not what the trials are for?
Again...all the these stats show is a downward trend. Nothing more...nothing less. These stats taken with personal observation and comments from current players as well as other stats and information provided one can form an informed opinion. Doesn't make it fact.
Like I said before, it was a reaction to the OP and second poster. Which were only about the statistics and no first hand experience. I never said they claimed it to be a fact, but they used it to make an estimation about the amount of SWG subs.
Unless you conveniently assume they had more information to go over. Which makes your assumption nothing more then a guess, because they didnt mention that in the post.
I wrote:
"Activite a trial and scope things so to post here in veteran refuge? LOL"
You replied :
"Why would one not check the game out? Is that not what the trials are for?"
That just doesnt make sense as a reaction on my comment. I never wrote that you shouldnt activate a trial. Just made it sound silly if you activate a trial while you dont even like the game, but do it anyway so you can post about the game in veteran refuge.
Why cant you just read someone's post more carefully instead of jumping to conclusions like you do? Its as if you dont care what the other poster means, but instead just make up your own version of what you think he means on purpose.
They made an assumption based upon opinion. If PvP trends down is it not a realistic and reasonable hypothesis that game subscriptions may trend down as well?
As far as your trial comment...you belittled a vets reason for possibly doing the trial is all. How else should I have taken your comment? It certainly looks like you were taking a shot doesn't it?
There are several games I do not like but try anyway. Sometimes games change for the better...sometimes they don't. Why do you think SOE provides vet trials every 3 months?
Exactly. I thought i was being pretty clear I knew the information was limited, said nothing about actual numbers, and only showed a trend in one facet of the game. However, i do agree it is reasonable to assume that the GCW number trends reflect more or less the number of people playing.
Do I know this for a fact? Of course not, however, all anyone can ever do is go by the best information available -- which points to exactly what I said when Chapter 6 hit: that it would reverse the prior gains.
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