Well, I don't "HATE" Aion, I'm not very interested in it at the moment. But one of my big turnoffs is the overall style. Girly men, rediculously sized weapon and over-the-top, glowy, shiny WoW-esque armor, and ballerina combat? No thanks. I know it's Asian, but really. Graphics, though, are respectably good, even if the style isn't for me.
umm girly men? if they are its only because the player made it that way. my templar and sin looked pretty bad ass, made the templar look like Kain from legacy of kain for the hell of it. i have some screen shots somewhere of pretty wierd looking players that made their characters fugly as hell, short ..fat.. distorted faces. hell in korean i seen more people gnome sized than HUGE over sized ones or even normal sized characters.
thing is there isnt anything much better then aion right now that is coming in near future.so i wont mind paying for it at least a few months to spend my time and see how it turn out later on.there will be better games than aion but nothing is available now.
also all my friends who tested aion in cn version have good impression of the game.some say its very good while some say its not too bad.all agreed they will at least try it out when en version is here.none told me its so bad that i should not pay for it.and yes earlier poster is correct to say if one hate aion then its due to it being so slow in coming out.once its out i will stop hating it heh.
lack of contents and maps?most likely those will be covered in later major updates.i wont worry about those unless i am near max lvl.
ps:oh yeah only 1 thing i will dislike about aion is the fact a lot more players will be playing elyos compare to asmodians due to elyo fairer and pretty appearance who may prove unbalancing in the future.they should work on making asmodian both cool but good looking to even this out.nothing wrong with both elyo and asmodian looking around the same but with difference wings.in the long run this may kill the game but then i may have quit long before this happen and moved on to next gen mmorpgs coming next year
I want to know how English speakers are playing this game in Chinese? How do you know what the heck the UI does? Not to mention what you have to do in quests? From what I have found, the English translation add-on/site has been deleted. I would find this nearly impossible and prohibitivly frustrating.
Originally posted by abyss610 Originally posted by maxy1214 Ah ha. Ok, should have rephrased it to. What are the things you dislike in Aion? Ranger or Archer whatever, dont bash me for it. I know the Ascension quest is level 10. Thats when you get wings. Graphics aside, is there more to it? Lore? Role playing and immersion?
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
I want to know how English speakers are playing this game in Chinese? How do you know what the heck the UI does? Not to mention what you have to do in quests? From what I have found, the English translation add-on/site has been deleted. I would find this nearly impossible and prohibitivly frustrating.
there is an english patch for the chinese retail wich is why alot of us play that now and not the korean test server (wich was 7x exp) it translates everything cept the player chat and announcements, but UI, quests everything is translated
Ah ha. Ok, should have rephrased it to. What are the things you dislike in Aion?
Ranger or Archer whatever, dont bash me for it. I know the Ascension quest is level 10. Thats when you get wings.
Graphics aside, is there more to it? Lore? Role playing and immersion?
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
Ah ha. Ok, should have rephrased it to. What are the things you dislike in Aion?
Ranger or Archer whatever, dont bash me for it. I know the Ascension quest is level 10. Thats when you get wings.
Graphics aside, is there more to it? Lore? Role playing and immersion?
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
At least someone agreed to my post. Rangers may wear leather but in aerial combat they have the advantage.
I do agree on the stigma system misleading so many people. I too have just found out that the stigma is only an additional skill but not a cross-class skill that lets you equip other class skills.
I hope in NA/EU they will also change the voice-overs of skills. Its kinda annoying hearing the same spell chanting over and over again. And the thing is that you are using the skill as your main attacking spell. For ex: In Aion-CN the cleric would say "se ti ri ki" for attack, and for heal "sei re ge". Imagine hearing that many times but in English... "thunderbolt" or "heal!" thats funny in a western MMO.
More Elf's ? : check More Bows, Swords, Shields, and +4 str belt : CHECK ok nothing new Check..... That about sums it up for me.
technicly they aren't elves its just players give them pointy ears because thats what THEY want them to look like.
and they do have a few new things like that moving around as you play helps your character and not just annoy the other player. believe side to side was evasion, backing up increases block and parry, and moving twards the mob increases dmg lowers defence. more like added features now a days honestly i don't see anything completely new coming out that will last wich is sad
Ah ha. Ok, should have rephrased it to. What are the things you dislike in Aion?
Ranger or Archer whatever, dont bash me for it. I know the Ascension quest is level 10. Thats when you get wings.
Graphics aside, is there more to it? Lore? Role playing and immersion?
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
At least someone agreed to my post. Rangers may wear leather but in aerial combat they have the advantage.
I do agree on the stigma system misleading so many people. I too have just found out that the stigma is only an additional skill but not a cross-class skill that lets you equip other class skills.
I hope in NA/EU they will also change the voice-overs of skills. Its kinda annoying hearing the same spell chanting over and over again. And the thing is that you are using the skill as your main attacking spell. For ex: In Aion-CN the cleric would say "se ti ri ki" for attack, and for heal "sei re ge". Imagine hearing that many times but in English... "thunderbolt" or "heal!" thats funny in a western MMO.
but you didn't read his when he said they are no longer OP, its been fixed
Do you have an address for this patch? The link I found was broken or removed
There are many sites hosting the English translations. You just have to copy paste it. The translations have a folder called ENU.pak that makes the client english.
Also, i would suggest to google the Voice-over of NPCs and character voices on character creation. The ones that are from Korea because Aion China didnt include this in their client. Obviously, Aion-CN is much more interersted in making money rather than making it localized for their country.
I admit Aion is not PERFECT, however I am also not going to nitpick every fine detail of a game not yet released in NA or on a chinese client that v.1.0 and the most current version will v.1.3, many many many changes. To be fair I will list a few things I wish were different but are by no means game breaking and many reasons I see listed here are just wow...so so picky and mind blowing as to reasons why you would nerd rage and say you hate Aion or will not play it. If you demand such perfection and games catered to your needs, then you may be unhappy for a long long time. I have been playing MMOs since I was 18 and I am now 28...a long time and not a single one has been my perfect game, but many of them have been a great deal of fun.
In regards to the OP, Maxy1214;
1) The no swimming bothers me as well as is on my personal list of minor grievances. Being were are god like and can fly, I do not understand why we can not swim and more why *walking* into deep water damaged you. When Under Water you get visual distortion and sound effects but no animation and the damage. So this one annoys me and also makes me wonder why we can not swim. This also bothered me in WAR. However all that said, not swimming is far far far from a game breaker and not something I honestly pay much mind to. I would like to see swimming in the future, but it is not anything game breaking.
2) Well flying is sorta mount like there are also other means of increasing run speed as well as teleporta and flight teleports and recalls. Would I like mounts? Honestly, yea just as a money sink and more fluff to enjoy, though I would not want the extreeme that WoW has taken it to where there are a million mounts and has become a bit over the top. Again though with flight, run speed buffs and so on, it has not been a major issue for me and is not something gamebreaking.
3) Well you are basing this on stuff you read or heard but unsure about? Dunno how you can list this as a problem if you do not know it is or not. However if you think Rangers are the gods of PvP you are mistaken. Rangers can gank decently with arial ambusing, this is one minor portion of pvp and to focus on ganking as all of pvp and poor balacing is very misguided. Second, as someone playing Aion, I would assume you keep up with current data. There has been many balance meassures in Korean Aion that China has yet to get.
4) I find there are enough skills in this game that are new and then on top of the skills are combos, which add even more diversity. Do you get upgrades to spells and abilities...well yea...what MMO does not do this? I mean you have played other MMOs..right...right?? They all recycle skills as you level and give you more powerful and advanced versions. Aion as a game that is NEW has a very nice skill set per class, enough to be interesting but no so much to be overwhelming. If you really want a lot of buttons to press roll a spirit master and micro manage to your hearts content.
5) I can agree partially with these issues. The world is gorgeous and well done, it feels alive and like a world, however it is smaller. The world does open up a great deal as you progress but it is still more linear. However being a theme park MMO and going into this expeting a theme park MMO, it is nothing new to me. Really compared to other games I see no ig problem here.
EQ2 uses tons of instancing and has many smaller zones that are very boxed in.
WAR is the most linear and disjointed world layout of any MMO I have played.
AoC abuses instancing and worse the zones are also small.
WoW has a mostly seamless world (mostly) but many of the zones are small. I will say though WoW does also boast some large zones. However they are also linear and mostly have limited entrance/exit points.
Aion starts off with superbly well done zones but they are small and linear, as you progress the world opens up more and more. Aion also is mostly seamless similar to WoW. When I compare Aion to WoW Vanilla, there is not a huge difference, however I do give the nod to WoW for having some bigger areas and more options of areas to go level within. Rumor mill has it that 1.3 is adding a new area for both Elyos and Asmodians.
If you wanted a massive, free roaming world then check out Vanguard, they have that but also sacrificed a lot for it and the world itself even when that game launched, felt emply often times. Or check out Darkfall.... yea...
So I would like more zone options and some more larger, expansive zones in Aion, however overall Aion is standard in zone size and layout. In fact aside from Wow, it is superior then most of the bigger name MMOs on the market. EQ2 has gotten better but EQ2 vanilla not so much. Of course the zone we do get in Aion are some of the best I have ever enjoyed in a MMO.
As for buildings, yes I agree with you. I would like to be able to enter all the building, sit in them and so on. It is a bit of a immersion killer to see these gorgeous establishments but there is no way to enter them. The places you can enter are very well done inside but also small. However, the capitol cities in Aion are in a word, Breathtaking.
Again though to cite other MMOs, most of them have buildings one can not enter. AoC, WoW, WAR, LoTRO, EQ2, EQ1, FFXI, they all do it. This is something I would like to see made better though.
7) I see a common issue with your points...you list off how angry you are with all these huge problems Aion has and yet...these "issues" are par for the course with regards to MMOs.
What MMO does NOT recycle mob skins? What MMO does not recycle mob races? What MMO does not recolor or adjust height of mobs?
Aion does recycle skins, however there are a lot of different mob types in the game. Again for a game just coming out, the amount of mob variety is pretty good. Amazing? No but it is good and once again better then many games out there. I feel like a broken record here...but...
AoC - Hardly any mob variety at all, mostly humanoids and also very limited mob skill sets.
WAR- Decent mob variety, however lots of recycled skins and be prepared to fight lots of playable races as mobs. Also limited mob skill sets and the AI...is...terrible.
EQ2- Well EQ2 has had a ton of xpacks so I expect nice variety from them lol. EQ2 vanilla was OK .
WoW- vanilla was OK, i remember fighting kobolds, naga, defias, pig people very often though just with diffrerent names and skill sets.
So yes, Aion also does this, but for a new game has a respectable amount of mob variety and more they at least gave reskinned mobs different skill sets to keep it interesting.
We will not discuss grinding because your right, the latest version of Aion has tons more quests, more content and that is with more levels. So no grinding there.
The game IS polished and complete for a new release. Aion is not revolutionary, it is a standard, theme park style MMO that took that type of gameplay and executed at a degree that was better then the rest and added a lot of polish.
Aion as a new game compared to WAR, AoC, EQ2 vanilla, WoW vanilla, EQ1 vanilla, FFXI vanilla, Vanguard, LoTRO vanilla is in amazing shape and surpasses them or comes out equal. Compared to aged games that are ya know 3-7 years old...yea it may not be as content rich, but it also offers better quality then many of these titles.
As for the other poster-
Some armor is over the top I agree, IE endgame plate but this is a flavor choice, I know MANY Americans who are in love with it. So that is a personal problem. If you dislike the art direction of AIon then sure, do not play it, but to cite that as a problem with the game is ridiculous.
In AIon there are many many many armor skins, on top of that there are dyes to change armor colors on top of that you can retain certain armor skins for armor you are wearing. That for a new game is a LOT of options and MORE then most established MMOs! Anyone doubting the sheer amount of variety, simply research it yourself, there are many places show casing the plethora of armor types in Aion and again not counting the other options that Aion gives you to take it further.
As for EQ2 allowing layering of armor...you do know that is a more recent feature. EQ2 is nearing 4.5 years, armor layering came out...a year ago? So it took them 3-3.5 years to add this option to their game....also let us not forget that EQ2 had/has terrible armor options as in lacking them. It was so bad that people were leaving the game due to it having hardly any armor skins and everything being recycled.
Aion class selection is standard stuff, no it does not have the laundry list of specific classes that play a specific way that you are asking for. However most games do not have a EQ style bard or chanter anymore, except perhaps EQ2, which is still a dumbed down version of EQ1 in many respects.
Gladiator - Heavy armor melee class. Does pretty good damage, excellent group tank, good raid type offtank, solid all around pvp char.
Templar - your more specialized heavy armor melee, tailored more to defensive play style and raid tanking.
Assassin - High melee dps, stealth, evasion based class.
Ranger - This is a class that has a lot of variety game to game. Ranger in Aion is moderate DPS, moderate range, some melee but really shines with traps and great CC.
Sorcerer - Glass cannon, high ranged DPS, one of the top CC classes, long cast times.
Spirit Master - Pet class, lots of micro managing, very very similar to the EQ1 Mage class but evolved.
Chanter - This is your melee hybrid. Decent melee DPS, decent group buffs, can off heal when needed, can take a hit. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Cleric - Strong Healer, good survival, ok damage output.
This is standard class selection of a MMO. Sure on paper it looks small compared to games like say...WAR or EQ2, however those games use a mirroring method and the classes tend to blend into eachother a great deal. In Aion the classes all truly snd out and apart from eachother. I remember long ago that people mocked WoW for having such a limited class selection compared to EQ2...in the end in EARLY wow, the classes were far more flavorful (now not so much as WoW to appease the masses has blended classes together).
Aion has it faults, it truly does, but the faults it does have are minor and easily overlooked. When I look all the games to have come ot since, heck, EQ1, Aion is truly a great game as it is a polished and finished product. More Aion is purely fun and enjoyable to play and unlike many games where I pray for patches to FIX things or add in content that should have been there from the launch, with Aion I simply...enjoy the patches and the content it brings to the existing good content I have at my fingger tips.
This thread was full of very minor nitpickings, full of "issues" that are a part of ALL MMOs and yet Aion handles these "issues" better then most or personal issues with artistic details or play style choices.
To be fair my BIGGEST Issue with Aion is...
1) Bots
China is handled by a different company then NCsoft and their view of bots and gold sellers is far different then us here in the west. Aion in the west will be handled by NCsoft West or whatever they are called these days. Being that they are restructing NCsofts presence here in NA and want to capture the NA market, I hope they are strict on the bots and it is a minor issue.
Yes ALL mmos have them, I can deal with that as long as they are not shoved in my face 24/7. As long as I do not hear them or see them on a constant basis, then I could care less what they do, doesnt impact me any if they sell some shmuck gold.
Anyways a lot of hot air in here, and I wrote wayyy to much. I guess I nerd raged in a calm way that is, as it annoys me to no end to see people post why they dislike stuff and the stuff they list has no merit or is personal choice and yet they try to make it sound liek serious business and spin the game in a negative light.
I have been playing MMOs as I said a LONG time, and MOST MMOs I try are junk or are a great concept but fail to deliver. Aion is a game I was skeptical of but was to my shock, a fantastic game and one of the best to launch in many many years and more will be one of the best MMOs on the market for some time. I can not break any NDA but I have beta tested a few of the bigger name MMOs coming out and so far none of them live up to the hype, and beta tested is past tense, which in of itself says a lot.
Rangers in 1.0 (china) are terrible, it was one of the most gimped classes due to their lack of damage and their necessity to do jump shot, rangers nowadays (1.2 in Korea) are decent, still far from Overpowered due to the random damage game style. Sorcerers rock the abyss, assassins rock through rifts, clerics rock everywhere until 1.2, templars rock after 1.2, chanters are terrible for 1v1 pvp but decent for party pvp, 1.2 improves them a bit, 1.3 should improve them. Gladiators are good in parties with a sorc, otherwise, no.
It looks to me that half of the people who said they've played this game in here havent, or they are trying way too hard without even knowing how the game developes. Aion's endgame right now (again, 1.2) doesn't revolve around the abyss, Aion doesn't need more than 4 instances (Temple of fire, alchemy whatever, daumnir and the lord ramnarks one) because there are open world raids and elite areas, Aion needs the 1.3 patch already if what they say about the lower abyss is true (finally, elite areas in the abyss for endgame content and more raiding in the abyss, plus a randomized way of entering it=win). Aion needs the colossus as the first real PvE challenge if devs bring what they promise, which should put it there next to WoW in terms of PvE.
What I dislike about Aion? Probably that 1.3 hasnt arrived yet and the carebear penalties through rifts, other than that, it's the best MMO there is for people who enjoy both PvE and PvP, with no rival.
Now this is how someone that has played the game enough would review it.
I only reached around level 22 (can't remember the exact level) before my trial ended. So, I can't comment too much on what I don't like.
I definitely didn't like that are unable to fly in all areas, and your wings are on timers. I knew about this, but still don't like it. Another thing is my combo attacks on the Gladiotor didn't really vary from the first attack. I believe one instant damage attack lead to a choice between 2 more instant damage attacks, which lead to another instant damage attack, which leads to a knock down. Maybe the english tooltip wasn't correct, and I didn't realize other affects, i don;t know.
The main thing I don't like about Aion is it's still pretty much the same game most of us have been playing (aka EQ2, WoW, WAR, etc). I'm not playing anything at the moment, unless I feel WAR Land of the Dead is actually good. So hopefully when Aion is released it won't matter too much to me, as it will feel kind of fresh.
I have a spiritmaster to level 22 right now and so far I am loving the game. I haven't had to grind for xp yet. You also can get xp for harvesting (not a lot..but it's noticeable). The flight is 'controlled' until you start fighting in the abyss (which is where 90% of the pvp happens anyways). I love the look of the armor a lot.
People who say they were grinding to get to level 10 didn't bother with quests I guess. There are more than enough to quests to level. Right now at 22 I have more quests in my log than I know what to do with.. I hear with patch 1.2 they added even more quests and the quests give more xp.
The character creator is top notch. You don't have to make a girlie elf if you do not want too. You could make a gruff old man, a swashbuckler, a pirate, etc... Also some of the in game RP clothing customization is cool (I saw a girl with a gown and glasses on..reminded me of an elegant librarian). The armor can become a bit over the top looking but being able to find a look that you like and transfer new armor stats to existing armor is great. Also I am happy that a mage cannot wear plate(or even look like they are wearing plate). For me at least, it goes against the whole look of what I think a mage is. However, I can see where people would disagree since it's more of a fashion/style thing (which varies from person to person).
As for Zone size, when I hit the level 20 zones they got gigantic. I have gained 2 levels and have only seen about 1/10th of Eltnin. The world is a LOT bigger than I initially thought. There aren't many zones, but each zone seems to get progressively larger as you level.
The music is top notch (not much to be said here other than I like the music)
Downtime is pretty minimal in the game. Using food helps a ton with this (and paying attention to your abilities that grant mana/health)
Trying to think of what I hate about Aion..hmm. Having a bard class would be cool. Being able to sell more than 8 things at a time in the auction house would be great (although I think that amount raises as you level..but not sure since I have only just started using the auction house). Having to go back to Sanctum (Elyos) to train can be a pain but not overly so.
Dunno..so far, while not perfect, the game ranks pretty high on the fun factor. The sheer variety in armor looks is insane. The game play is good (although not radically different from anything else out there unless you are flying). There are lots of small details that make the world feel alive. Having played just about every MMO starting with Meridian 59 (yes..I am dating myself here), I think Aion stands to be one of the better launches/MMO's in recent history. It won't overtake WoW by any means..but it should do very well for itself.
I have read good reviews from players so far. But what they like in common is the graphics. Is there more to it? I have played Aion China, and have a level 30+ character plus 2 20+ characters of other jobs. I really wanted to like this game but there is something in me that is not attracted to it. 1. There is no swimming. 2. There is no mount. I hate running. 3. PvP Aerial combat is they say unbalanced. (not sure, some say Archers rule in aerial combat) 4. Less diversity in skills. Youll just have to level up the same skills as they have a different name the next time you upgrade it. You gain SOME as you level up. Like 3 new skills in 8 levels. And some of these new skills are passives which you cant use. 5. The environment and area is SMALL. The paths you go to is linear that if 5 of your friends go together the path looks crowded. You cant fly to the other side to reach your destination faster. (Funny as this is a flying MMO). Houses are small you cant enter it. It is there just for props. 6. No penalty in ganking lowbies. And yes you can farm each other using KISKS to give you abyss points if you have friends on the opposing side. 7. Not much skin. Ive heard the mobs youll be fighting at level 20 will be the same ones youll be fighting at 40 but they just comes in different colors. I think i notice this too. OMG, cant even produce enough skin, and this was supposed to be a big budget game. I love to say this. This game got KOREANED. Im not gonna talk about grinding. Because the chinese version is different as they say than the NA/EU version. Its supposed to be catered to western gameplay. Although Ive spent 5 levels just grinding because the quests dont really give much XP. Grinding the same mobs over and over again. The same skinned mob but with a different color. Ok fanbois defend the game. So much HYPE and theres not much content. They say its polished but there aint much to it. Less content and features = less bugs and imbalances.
Evidently, you hate Aion. Grats to you. This post is wholly subjective. Nice job. I have no defense for the game other than my experience in L2. Right, that was not the SK version. Props to SK and morning their loss.
Without hesitation, this (above) does not portray a single aspect that may be considered in a NA release. Nice try though. title and all. Troll.
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There are alot of games out there that i don't play. That doesn't mean i hate them. People who rant about HATING this game and HATING that game really needs to get a life - There has got to be something better for you guys to do rather than expressing your hate for a game.
Word. Hatred for a video game is a clear sign that someone needs to step back and re-evaluate their view on things.
English is my second language. Would you like to rephrase it for me then? How about dislike?
"Things you dislike in Aion" - does this give me a life?
I want to know your negative comments of Aion, not your opinion of no lifers.
So you actually made a thread looking for reasons to not want to play the game... You have way to much time to waste...
What do you mean endgame doesn't revolve around the Abyss? I was under the impression that the Abyss was the main focus of the game. Is the pvp in the Abyss not that active? Also, what you mean by "carebear penalties through rifts?"
I'm also curious about how Aion's Abyss compares to WAR's RvR lakes, if anybody can tell me. My main concern is lag, but also if the PvP is all about the zerg. I used to think I would love huge battles... I don't mind them, but I realized that I enjoy smaller fights a lot more.
Ephimero, What do you mean endgame doesn't revolve around the Abyss? I was under the impression that the Abyss was the main focus of the game. Is the pvp in the Abyss not that active? Also, what you mean by "carebear penalties through rifts?" I'm also curious about how Aion's Abyss compares to WAR's RvR lakes, if anybody can tell me. My main concern is lag, but also if the PvP is all about the zerg. I used to think I would love huge battles... I don't mind them, but I realized that I enjoy smaller fights a lot more.
I mean that fortress sieges and abyss activities are more of a daily alternative than the endgame itself, the endgame would be instance runs+PvP through rifts, I mean, nobody suffers if your enemy captures a fortress, however, you will suffer if your enemies get to block your instances and if your enemies block rift quests.
I loved that in 1.1, 1.2 however made rifts a bit worse for people who like consequences on the PvP, right now it's harder to impact the enemy side than in 1.1 because you've got restrictions on rifts, and you might even get debuffed if you kill many people. I liked it the other way better because it encouraged groupping, but then again that's me being selfish.
About your last question, Aion is not limited byt hardware requirements, I've been in pretty massive fights without lagging at all, and the server is in Korea. Aion has room for zerg fights, however, I feel that compared to WAR, numbers aren't that important. I think a proper class setup and communication is more important, I felt that War's battles were a bit too individualist, so zergs had a bigger impact.
Though these minor things wont be a gamebreaker for some. But some dont like it, these minor things makes you wonder why they didnt include this in a big budget game. It would be much more appealing if theyd put some more to it.
I guess im used to skills in WAR where they made a variety of skills per class and not just some button mashing. Each skill would have an effect that would either debuff, augment, and so many things you would want to do in pvp. I think in PvP you need to choose the skills you want to defeat a player.
In Aion however, all i know is just stun, root, or sleep, then its all offensive skills. If youre a sorcerer in Aion you nuke everything. Even 3 shotting people in PvP. In war, you actually have to debuff or choose your skills or your attacks will be resisted or mitigated. The pvp is not so complex as in war sadly. Its like whoever hits first and stuns you win in aion.
Well we all have our opinion. Thanks for the input though.
@sandblox Though these minor things wont be a gamebreaker for some. But some dont like it, these minor things makes you wonder why they didnt include this in a big budget game. It would be much more appealing if theyd put some more to it. I guess im used to skills in WAR where they made a variety of skills per class and not just some button mashing. Each skill would have an effect that would either debuff, augment, and so many things you would want to do in pvp. I think in PvP you need to choose the skills you want to defeat a player. In Aion however, all i know is just stun, root, or sleep, then its all offensive skills. If youre a sorcerer in Aion you nuke everything. Even 3 shotting people in PvP. In war, you actually have to debuff or choose your skills or your attacks will be resisted or mitigated. The pvp is not so complex as in war sadly. Its like whoever hits first and stuns you win in aion. Well we all have our opinion. Thanks for the input though.
Have you played this game? Some classes are completely based around what you enjoyed in War.
Let's compare it to war, my background, level 50 Sorcerer and level 34 Chanter in Aion Korea. Level 40 Disciple of Khaine with level 44 RR in Warhammer online.
PvP lenght: You say Aion's about first stunning wins? That would only be true if there was a huge level/equipment difference, in equal conditions the PvP lasts longer than WAR's.
Sorcerers: As a sorcerer, good luck "nuking" in any PvP that matters. Check out Seyfried PvP vids and find out how PvP really is, there are few skills you can perform while moving, and you are always first target, always, the PvP as a sorcerer is nothing like just nuking.
Debuffing skills: Play a Chanter if you enjoy that, almost every offensive skill comes with a debuff, or play a Spiritmaster, which basicaly is a debuffer with pet.
Conditions: In WAR there are knockbacks, disarm, snare, stun, root, silence and sleep.
In Aion you have all of those, including air shackle, and not oonly that, in Aion the condition actually matters if you aim to perform certain skills, which makes the group PvP way more strategic than in WAR.
@sandblox Though these minor things wont be a gamebreaker for some. But some dont like it, these minor things makes you wonder why they didnt include this in a big budget game. It would be much more appealing if theyd put some more to it. I guess im used to skills in WAR where they made a variety of skills per class and not just some button mashing. Each skill would have an effect that would either debuff, augment, and so many things you would want to do in pvp. I think in PvP you need to choose the skills you want to defeat a player. In Aion however, all i know is just stun, root, or sleep, then its all offensive skills. If youre a sorcerer in Aion you nuke everything. Even 3 shotting people in PvP. In war, you actually have to debuff or choose your skills or your attacks will be resisted or mitigated. The pvp is not so complex as in war sadly. Its like whoever hits first and stuns you win in aion. Well we all have our opinion. Thanks for the input though.
Thing is the issues you listed and that I then covered in my own post, show that these "issues" are normal nearly all MMOs, big budget or not and Aion had a smaller budget then the blockbuster games we have seen more recently, WAR, AoC, Tabula Rasa, etc had bigger budgets.
You talk about WAR, which I compared your issues of AIon to among other games. Recycled Skins, Recycled abilities, small zones and so on.
I played WAR through beta and some through launch. I have gone back twice in hopes that the game improved. Comparing Aion to WAR, there is no contest, at all. It is similar to putting a small sickly child with self esteem issues in the ring against a UFC fighter...really it is.
WAR was buggy, unfished, lacked armor variety (though many they had were done well), huge class balance issues, boring endgame, bugs, lag you name it. And as for complex pvp are you serious?
WAR pvp did force grouped or teamplay pvp (though this is becoming less important with each patch and 1v1 balance becomes more evident). WAR PvP imo was / is far less intense, tactical and fun then Aion PvP, and Aion is not nearly as unbalanced, unresponsive or broken and bug filled as WAR nor does it have totally lame tactics, I dunno if WAR still has but the whole Magus magnet ability then mass AoE WAS endgame PvP and it sucked terribly.
Honestly I saw little effect of the multidue of debuffs WAR gave to neary every single ability and it often felt redundent. And as for specifics a Sorcerer in Aion is far far more active and reactive then sorcerer in WAR which was very much a stand back, point and click nuke class that ran and prayed for guard from tanks. Aion sorcerrs in mass pvp (not ganking) require a whole lot of dancing across the battlefield and timing your attacks well.
Aion also has combos and directional movement buffs.
So while I agree I would like some stuff added into Aion at the same time Aion is better then all these new games to have released which speaks volumes and I am not even enjoying the latest version of the game! All that and Aion has a LOWER budget then these other games! Aion never tried to reinvent the wheel, they took what works, what people enjoy and refined and polished it. On that note, Aion is fantastic and great fun to play.
(on a side note...since you talk of WAR and also in your first post commented on the zones of AION....dude..really...WAR has the most linear zones of ANY MMO I have played, AoC comes close...but WAR takes the cake. WAR zones are linear, offers very similar zome progression and are very boxy, not to mention the geography is wonky on how zones connect. To top it off...even the quests of each new zone, are slightly reworded clones of the last zones quests. It was that issue that was one of many big reasons I left in the first place, was just awful).
Again, Aion has some minor problems and some stuff I would like to see added, but the issues you listed are universal and not limited to AIon and in fact Aion handles these issues better then most everyone else.
EDIT- Ok so I listed one major thing I dislike about AIon at least in China version. I will to be fair list a feature I would like added to Aion to show I do not find game perfect like some blind fanbi.
I would really like to see a form of Alternate Advancement or skill tree added to the game. I know we get options to customize our chars but more the better I say. I would like to see a similar method as EQ1. IE Lvl cap is 50, so around 45 you can earn "AA" points instead of normal xp or once your 50 you can earn AA xp. Which is used to learn new abilities, gain stats and so on. Most MMOs have them, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, AoC, FFXI had dual classes. If Aion did this it gives endgame options of things to do, gives chars even more variety and so on.
_Double EDIT_ Ok my posts are turning in chapters of a book and overly long. I just wanted to give some good points.
I have a die hard mmo fan friend, known him for 5 years now. He was very into WoW, ran a top raid guild for years and when I say top I mean it. Great gamer and really cool guy.
So he is bored of WoW, which I honestly never thought would happen. He went and tried a bunch of the games out there he missed, WAR, LoTRO, AoC, blah blah blah.
So he comes to me not long ago and tells me how bored he is and asks if I know any good games since I follow the genre very closely and do a lot of beta testing.
I turn him onto Aion and he is not into when I show him pics and stuff, typical reaction a lot of people have to Aion, korean anime grind bleh bleh bleh.
I encourage him to just give it a spin as he has nothing else to do. SO he does...i try to message him but few days he never messages me back...
I get a message days later telling me how amazing Aion is, how it reminds him final fantasy RPGs meeting WoW with all kinds of awesome. He has now also turned on many guildies of his, who are also now hooked and waiting for the NA version.
This said a lot to me as he is more picky then I am and doesnt throw away cash like I do on trying all these new games nor does he bother with getting into betas. To have him be so excited and at the same time hating all these other mmos that have released is huge. I liked his comparison as well, Aion does have a great story and enjoyable quests but also is a mmo, its nice.
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umm girly men? if they are its only because the player made it that way. my templar and sin looked pretty bad ass, made the templar look like Kain from legacy of kain for the hell of it. i have some screen shots somewhere of pretty wierd looking players that made their characters fugly as hell, short ..fat.. distorted faces. hell in korean i seen more people gnome sized than HUGE over sized ones or even normal sized characters.
thing is there isnt anything much better then aion right now that is coming in near future.so i wont mind paying for it at least a few months to spend my time and see how it turn out later on.there will be better games than aion but nothing is available now.
also all my friends who tested aion in cn version have good impression of the game.some say its very good while some say its not too bad.all agreed they will at least try it out when en version is here.none told me its so bad that i should not pay for it.and yes earlier poster is correct to say if one hate aion then its due to it being so slow in coming out.once its out i will stop hating it heh.
lack of contents and maps?most likely those will be covered in later major updates.i wont worry about those unless i am near max lvl.
ps:oh yeah only 1 thing i will dislike about aion is the fact a lot more players will be playing elyos compare to asmodians due to elyo fairer and pretty appearance who may prove unbalancing in the future.they should work on making asmodian both cool but good looking to even this out.nothing wrong with both elyo and asmodian looking around the same but with difference wings.in the long run this may kill the game but then i may have quit long before this happen and moved on to next gen mmorpgs coming next year
I want to know how English speakers are playing this game in Chinese? How do you know what the heck the UI does? Not to mention what you have to do in quests? From what I have found, the English translation add-on/site has been deleted. I would find this nearly impossible and prohibitivly frustrating.
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
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there is an english patch for the chinese retail wich is why alot of us play that now and not the korean test server (wich was 7x exp) it translates everything cept the player chat and announcements, but UI, quests everything is translated
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
ooo ok
Do you have an address for this patch? The link I found was broken or removed
More Elf's ? : check
More Bows, Swords, Shields, and +4 str belt : CHECK
ok nothing new Check.....
That about sums it up for me.
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
At least someone agreed to my post. Rangers may wear leather but in aerial combat they have the advantage.
I do agree on the stigma system misleading so many people. I too have just found out that the stigma is only an additional skill but not a cross-class skill that lets you equip other class skills.
I hope in NA/EU they will also change the voice-overs of skills. Its kinda annoying hearing the same spell chanting over and over again. And the thing is that you are using the skill as your main attacking spell. For ex: In Aion-CN the cleric would say "se ti ri ki" for attack, and for heal "sei re ge". Imagine hearing that many times but in English... "thunderbolt" or "heal!" thats funny in a western MMO.
technicly they aren't elves its just players give them pointy ears because thats what THEY want them to look like.
and they do have a few new things like that moving around as you play helps your character and not just annoy the other player. believe side to side was evasion, backing up increases block and parry, and moving twards the mob increases dmg lowers defence. more like added features now a days honestly i don't see anything completely new coming out that will last wich is sad
not sure where you read rangers was op they're pretty gimp actually and i've seen videos of them getting dominated by assassins wich is just odd in flying pvp or gound pvp really since the sin has to get upo close enough to do dmg. unless maybe they got buffed in the korean retail since i played it last?
Rangers WERE OPed. The last few patches have destroyed them.
At least someone agreed to my post. Rangers may wear leather but in aerial combat they have the advantage.
I do agree on the stigma system misleading so many people. I too have just found out that the stigma is only an additional skill but not a cross-class skill that lets you equip other class skills.
I hope in NA/EU they will also change the voice-overs of skills. Its kinda annoying hearing the same spell chanting over and over again. And the thing is that you are using the skill as your main attacking spell. For ex: In Aion-CN the cleric would say "se ti ri ki" for attack, and for heal "sei re ge". Imagine hearing that many times but in English... "thunderbolt" or "heal!" thats funny in a western MMO.
but you didn't read his when he said they are no longer OP, its been fixed
There are many sites hosting the English translations. You just have to copy paste it. The translations have a folder called ENU.pak that makes the client english.
Also, i would suggest to google the Voice-over of NPCs and character voices on character creation. The ones that are from Korea because Aion China didnt include this in their client. Obviously, Aion-CN is much more interersted in making money rather than making it localized for their country.
Ok thanks for the reply
I admit Aion is not PERFECT, however I am also not going to nitpick every fine detail of a game not yet released in NA or on a chinese client that v.1.0 and the most current version will v.1.3, many many many changes. To be fair I will list a few things I wish were different but are by no means game breaking and many reasons I see listed here are just wow...so so picky and mind blowing as to reasons why you would nerd rage and say you hate Aion or will not play it. If you demand such perfection and games catered to your needs, then you may be unhappy for a long long time. I have been playing MMOs since I was 18 and I am now 28...a long time and not a single one has been my perfect game, but many of them have been a great deal of fun.
In regards to the OP, Maxy1214;
1) The no swimming bothers me as well as is on my personal list of minor grievances. Being were are god like and can fly, I do not understand why we can not swim and more why *walking* into deep water damaged you. When Under Water you get visual distortion and sound effects but no animation and the damage. So this one annoys me and also makes me wonder why we can not swim. This also bothered me in WAR. However all that said, not swimming is far far far from a game breaker and not something I honestly pay much mind to. I would like to see swimming in the future, but it is not anything game breaking.
2) Well flying is sorta mount like there are also other means of increasing run speed as well as teleporta and flight teleports and recalls. Would I like mounts? Honestly, yea just as a money sink and more fluff to enjoy, though I would not want the extreeme that WoW has taken it to where there are a million mounts and has become a bit over the top. Again though with flight, run speed buffs and so on, it has not been a major issue for me and is not something gamebreaking.
3) Well you are basing this on stuff you read or heard but unsure about? Dunno how you can list this as a problem if you do not know it is or not. However if you think Rangers are the gods of PvP you are mistaken. Rangers can gank decently with arial ambusing, this is one minor portion of pvp and to focus on ganking as all of pvp and poor balacing is very misguided. Second, as someone playing Aion, I would assume you keep up with current data. There has been many balance meassures in Korean Aion that China has yet to get.
4) I find there are enough skills in this game that are new and then on top of the skills are combos, which add even more diversity. Do you get upgrades to spells and abilities...well yea...what MMO does not do this? I mean you have played other MMOs..right...right?? They all recycle skills as you level and give you more powerful and advanced versions. Aion as a game that is NEW has a very nice skill set per class, enough to be interesting but no so much to be overwhelming. If you really want a lot of buttons to press roll a spirit master and micro manage to your hearts content.
5) I can agree partially with these issues. The world is gorgeous and well done, it feels alive and like a world, however it is smaller. The world does open up a great deal as you progress but it is still more linear. However being a theme park MMO and going into this expeting a theme park MMO, it is nothing new to me. Really compared to other games I see no ig problem here.
EQ2 uses tons of instancing and has many smaller zones that are very boxed in.
WAR is the most linear and disjointed world layout of any MMO I have played.
AoC abuses instancing and worse the zones are also small.
WoW has a mostly seamless world (mostly) but many of the zones are small. I will say though WoW does also boast some large zones. However they are also linear and mostly have limited entrance/exit points.
Aion starts off with superbly well done zones but they are small and linear, as you progress the world opens up more and more. Aion also is mostly seamless similar to WoW. When I compare Aion to WoW Vanilla, there is not a huge difference, however I do give the nod to WoW for having some bigger areas and more options of areas to go level within. Rumor mill has it that 1.3 is adding a new area for both Elyos and Asmodians.
If you wanted a massive, free roaming world then check out Vanguard, they have that but also sacrificed a lot for it and the world itself even when that game launched, felt emply often times. Or check out Darkfall.... yea...
So I would like more zone options and some more larger, expansive zones in Aion, however overall Aion is standard in zone size and layout. In fact aside from Wow, it is superior then most of the bigger name MMOs on the market. EQ2 has gotten better but EQ2 vanilla not so much. Of course the zone we do get in Aion are some of the best I have ever enjoyed in a MMO.
As for buildings, yes I agree with you. I would like to be able to enter all the building, sit in them and so on. It is a bit of a immersion killer to see these gorgeous establishments but there is no way to enter them. The places you can enter are very well done inside but also small. However, the capitol cities in Aion are in a word, Breathtaking.
Again though to cite other MMOs, most of them have buildings one can not enter. AoC, WoW, WAR, LoTRO, EQ2, EQ1, FFXI, they all do it. This is something I would like to see made better though.
7) I see a common issue with your points...you list off how angry you are with all these huge problems Aion has and yet...these "issues" are par for the course with regards to MMOs.
What MMO does NOT recycle mob skins? What MMO does not recycle mob races? What MMO does not recolor or adjust height of mobs?
Aion does recycle skins, however there are a lot of different mob types in the game. Again for a game just coming out, the amount of mob variety is pretty good. Amazing? No but it is good and once again better then many games out there. I feel like a broken record here...but...
AoC - Hardly any mob variety at all, mostly humanoids and also very limited mob skill sets.
WAR- Decent mob variety, however lots of recycled skins and be prepared to fight lots of playable races as mobs. Also limited mob skill sets and the AI...is...terrible.
EQ2- Well EQ2 has had a ton of xpacks so I expect nice variety from them lol. EQ2 vanilla was OK .
WoW- vanilla was OK, i remember fighting kobolds, naga, defias, pig people very often though just with diffrerent names and skill sets.
So yes, Aion also does this, but for a new game has a respectable amount of mob variety and more they at least gave reskinned mobs different skill sets to keep it interesting.
We will not discuss grinding because your right, the latest version of Aion has tons more quests, more content and that is with more levels. So no grinding there.
The game IS polished and complete for a new release. Aion is not revolutionary, it is a standard, theme park style MMO that took that type of gameplay and executed at a degree that was better then the rest and added a lot of polish.
Aion as a new game compared to WAR, AoC, EQ2 vanilla, WoW vanilla, EQ1 vanilla, FFXI vanilla, Vanguard, LoTRO vanilla is in amazing shape and surpasses them or comes out equal. Compared to aged games that are ya know 3-7 years old...yea it may not be as content rich, but it also offers better quality then many of these titles.
As for the other poster-
Some armor is over the top I agree, IE endgame plate but this is a flavor choice, I know MANY Americans who are in love with it. So that is a personal problem. If you dislike the art direction of AIon then sure, do not play it, but to cite that as a problem with the game is ridiculous.
In AIon there are many many many armor skins, on top of that there are dyes to change armor colors on top of that you can retain certain armor skins for armor you are wearing. That for a new game is a LOT of options and MORE then most established MMOs! Anyone doubting the sheer amount of variety, simply research it yourself, there are many places show casing the plethora of armor types in Aion and again not counting the other options that Aion gives you to take it further.
As for EQ2 allowing layering of armor...you do know that is a more recent feature. EQ2 is nearing 4.5 years, armor layering came out...a year ago? So it took them 3-3.5 years to add this option to their game....also let us not forget that EQ2 had/has terrible armor options as in lacking them. It was so bad that people were leaving the game due to it having hardly any armor skins and everything being recycled.
Aion class selection is standard stuff, no it does not have the laundry list of specific classes that play a specific way that you are asking for. However most games do not have a EQ style bard or chanter anymore, except perhaps EQ2, which is still a dumbed down version of EQ1 in many respects.
Gladiator - Heavy armor melee class. Does pretty good damage, excellent group tank, good raid type offtank, solid all around pvp char.
Templar - your more specialized heavy armor melee, tailored more to defensive play style and raid tanking.
Assassin - High melee dps, stealth, evasion based class.
Ranger - This is a class that has a lot of variety game to game. Ranger in Aion is moderate DPS, moderate range, some melee but really shines with traps and great CC.
Sorcerer - Glass cannon, high ranged DPS, one of the top CC classes, long cast times.
Spirit Master - Pet class, lots of micro managing, very very similar to the EQ1 Mage class but evolved.
Chanter - This is your melee hybrid. Decent melee DPS, decent group buffs, can off heal when needed, can take a hit. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Cleric - Strong Healer, good survival, ok damage output.
This is standard class selection of a MMO. Sure on paper it looks small compared to games like say...WAR or EQ2, however those games use a mirroring method and the classes tend to blend into eachother a great deal. In Aion the classes all truly snd out and apart from eachother. I remember long ago that people mocked WoW for having such a limited class selection compared to EQ2...in the end in EARLY wow, the classes were far more flavorful (now not so much as WoW to appease the masses has blended classes together).
Aion has it faults, it truly does, but the faults it does have are minor and easily overlooked. When I look all the games to have come ot since, heck, EQ1, Aion is truly a great game as it is a polished and finished product. More Aion is purely fun and enjoyable to play and unlike many games where I pray for patches to FIX things or add in content that should have been there from the launch, with Aion I simply...enjoy the patches and the content it brings to the existing good content I have at my fingger tips.
This thread was full of very minor nitpickings, full of "issues" that are a part of ALL MMOs and yet Aion handles these "issues" better then most or personal issues with artistic details or play style choices.
To be fair my BIGGEST Issue with Aion is...
1) Bots
China is handled by a different company then NCsoft and their view of bots and gold sellers is far different then us here in the west. Aion in the west will be handled by NCsoft West or whatever they are called these days. Being that they are restructing NCsofts presence here in NA and want to capture the NA market, I hope they are strict on the bots and it is a minor issue.
Yes ALL mmos have them, I can deal with that as long as they are not shoved in my face 24/7. As long as I do not hear them or see them on a constant basis, then I could care less what they do, doesnt impact me any if they sell some shmuck gold.
Anyways a lot of hot air in here, and I wrote wayyy to much. I guess I nerd raged in a calm way that is, as it annoys me to no end to see people post why they dislike stuff and the stuff they list has no merit or is personal choice and yet they try to make it sound liek serious business and spin the game in a negative light.
I have been playing MMOs as I said a LONG time, and MOST MMOs I try are junk or are a great concept but fail to deliver. Aion is a game I was skeptical of but was to my shock, a fantastic game and one of the best to launch in many many years and more will be one of the best MMOs on the market for some time. I can not break any NDA but I have beta tested a few of the bigger name MMOs coming out and so far none of them live up to the hype, and beta tested is past tense, which in of itself says a lot.
Rangers in 1.0 (china) are terrible, it was one of the most gimped classes due to their lack of damage and their necessity to do jump shot, rangers nowadays (1.2 in Korea) are decent, still far from Overpowered due to the random damage game style. Sorcerers rock the abyss, assassins rock through rifts, clerics rock everywhere until 1.2, templars rock after 1.2, chanters are terrible for 1v1 pvp but decent for party pvp, 1.2 improves them a bit, 1.3 should improve them. Gladiators are good in parties with a sorc, otherwise, no.
It looks to me that half of the people who said they've played this game in here havent, or they are trying way too hard without even knowing how the game developes. Aion's endgame right now (again, 1.2) doesn't revolve around the abyss, Aion doesn't need more than 4 instances (Temple of fire, alchemy whatever, daumnir and the lord ramnarks one) because there are open world raids and elite areas, Aion needs the 1.3 patch already if what they say about the lower abyss is true (finally, elite areas in the abyss for endgame content and more raiding in the abyss, plus a randomized way of entering it=win). Aion needs the colossus as the first real PvE challenge if devs bring what they promise, which should put it there next to WoW in terms of PvE.
What I dislike about Aion? Probably that 1.3 hasnt arrived yet and the carebear penalties through rifts, other than that, it's the best MMO there is for people who enjoy both PvE and PvP, with no rival.
Now this is how someone that has played the game enough would review it.
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I only reached around level 22 (can't remember the exact level) before my trial ended. So, I can't comment too much on what I don't like.
I definitely didn't like that are unable to fly in all areas, and your wings are on timers. I knew about this, but still don't like it. Another thing is my combo attacks on the Gladiotor didn't really vary from the first attack. I believe one instant damage attack lead to a choice between 2 more instant damage attacks, which lead to another instant damage attack, which leads to a knock down. Maybe the english tooltip wasn't correct, and I didn't realize other affects, i don;t know.
The main thing I don't like about Aion is it's still pretty much the same game most of us have been playing (aka EQ2, WoW, WAR, etc). I'm not playing anything at the moment, unless I feel WAR Land of the Dead is actually good. So hopefully when Aion is released it won't matter too much to me, as it will feel kind of fresh.
I have a spiritmaster to level 22 right now and so far I am loving the game. I haven't had to grind for xp yet. You also can get xp for harvesting (not a lot..but it's noticeable). The flight is 'controlled' until you start fighting in the abyss (which is where 90% of the pvp happens anyways). I love the look of the armor a lot.
People who say they were grinding to get to level 10 didn't bother with quests I guess. There are more than enough to quests to level. Right now at 22 I have more quests in my log than I know what to do with.. I hear with patch 1.2 they added even more quests and the quests give more xp.
The character creator is top notch. You don't have to make a girlie elf if you do not want too. You could make a gruff old man, a swashbuckler, a pirate, etc... Also some of the in game RP clothing customization is cool (I saw a girl with a gown and glasses on..reminded me of an elegant librarian). The armor can become a bit over the top looking but being able to find a look that you like and transfer new armor stats to existing armor is great. Also I am happy that a mage cannot wear plate(or even look like they are wearing plate). For me at least, it goes against the whole look of what I think a mage is. However, I can see where people would disagree since it's more of a fashion/style thing (which varies from person to person).
As for Zone size, when I hit the level 20 zones they got gigantic. I have gained 2 levels and have only seen about 1/10th of Eltnin. The world is a LOT bigger than I initially thought. There aren't many zones, but each zone seems to get progressively larger as you level.
The music is top notch (not much to be said here other than I like the music)
Downtime is pretty minimal in the game. Using food helps a ton with this (and paying attention to your abilities that grant mana/health)
Trying to think of what I hate about Aion..hmm. Having a bard class would be cool. Being able to sell more than 8 things at a time in the auction house would be great (although I think that amount raises as you level..but not sure since I have only just started using the auction house). Having to go back to Sanctum (Elyos) to train can be a pain but not overly so.
Dunno..so far, while not perfect, the game ranks pretty high on the fun factor. The sheer variety in armor looks is insane. The game play is good (although not radically different from anything else out there unless you are flying). There are lots of small details that make the world feel alive. Having played just about every MMO starting with Meridian 59 (yes..I am dating myself here), I think Aion stands to be one of the better launches/MMO's in recent history. It won't overtake WoW by any means..but it should do very well for itself.
Evidently, you hate Aion. Grats to you. This post is wholly subjective. Nice job. I have no defense for the game other than my experience in L2. Right, that was not the SK version. Props to SK and morning their loss.
Without hesitation, this (above) does not portray a single aspect that may be considered in a NA release. Nice try though. title and all. Troll.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Word. Hatred for a video game is a clear sign that someone needs to step back and re-evaluate their view on things.
English is my second language. Would you like to rephrase it for me then? How about dislike?
"Things you dislike in Aion" - does this give me a life?
I want to know your negative comments of Aion, not your opinion of no lifers.
So you actually made a thread looking for reasons to not want to play the game... You have way to much time to waste...
Ephimero,
What do you mean endgame doesn't revolve around the Abyss? I was under the impression that the Abyss was the main focus of the game. Is the pvp in the Abyss not that active? Also, what you mean by "carebear penalties through rifts?"
I'm also curious about how Aion's Abyss compares to WAR's RvR lakes, if anybody can tell me. My main concern is lag, but also if the PvP is all about the zerg. I used to think I would love huge battles... I don't mind them, but I realized that I enjoy smaller fights a lot more.
I mean that fortress sieges and abyss activities are more of a daily alternative than the endgame itself, the endgame would be instance runs+PvP through rifts, I mean, nobody suffers if your enemy captures a fortress, however, you will suffer if your enemies get to block your instances and if your enemies block rift quests.
I loved that in 1.1, 1.2 however made rifts a bit worse for people who like consequences on the PvP, right now it's harder to impact the enemy side than in 1.1 because you've got restrictions on rifts, and you might even get debuffed if you kill many people. I liked it the other way better because it encouraged groupping, but then again that's me being selfish.
About your last question, Aion is not limited byt hardware requirements, I've been in pretty massive fights without lagging at all, and the server is in Korea. Aion has room for zerg fights, however, I feel that compared to WAR, numbers aren't that important. I think a proper class setup and communication is more important, I felt that War's battles were a bit too individualist, so zergs had a bigger impact.
@sandblox
Though these minor things wont be a gamebreaker for some. But some dont like it, these minor things makes you wonder why they didnt include this in a big budget game. It would be much more appealing if theyd put some more to it.
I guess im used to skills in WAR where they made a variety of skills per class and not just some button mashing. Each skill would have an effect that would either debuff, augment, and so many things you would want to do in pvp. I think in PvP you need to choose the skills you want to defeat a player.
In Aion however, all i know is just stun, root, or sleep, then its all offensive skills. If youre a sorcerer in Aion you nuke everything. Even 3 shotting people in PvP. In war, you actually have to debuff or choose your skills or your attacks will be resisted or mitigated. The pvp is not so complex as in war sadly. Its like whoever hits first and stuns you win in aion.
Well we all have our opinion. Thanks for the input though.
Have you played this game? Some classes are completely based around what you enjoyed in War.
Let's compare it to war, my background, level 50 Sorcerer and level 34 Chanter in Aion Korea. Level 40 Disciple of Khaine with level 44 RR in Warhammer online.
PvP lenght: You say Aion's about first stunning wins? That would only be true if there was a huge level/equipment difference, in equal conditions the PvP lasts longer than WAR's.
Sorcerers: As a sorcerer, good luck "nuking" in any PvP that matters. Check out Seyfried PvP vids and find out how PvP really is, there are few skills you can perform while moving, and you are always first target, always, the PvP as a sorcerer is nothing like just nuking.
Debuffing skills: Play a Chanter if you enjoy that, almost every offensive skill comes with a debuff, or play a Spiritmaster, which basicaly is a debuffer with pet.
Conditions: In WAR there are knockbacks, disarm, snare, stun, root, silence and sleep.
In Aion you have all of those, including air shackle, and not oonly that, in Aion the condition actually matters if you aim to perform certain skills, which makes the group PvP way more strategic than in WAR.
Thing is the issues you listed and that I then covered in my own post, show that these "issues" are normal nearly all MMOs, big budget or not and Aion had a smaller budget then the blockbuster games we have seen more recently, WAR, AoC, Tabula Rasa, etc had bigger budgets.
You talk about WAR, which I compared your issues of AIon to among other games. Recycled Skins, Recycled abilities, small zones and so on.
I played WAR through beta and some through launch. I have gone back twice in hopes that the game improved. Comparing Aion to WAR, there is no contest, at all. It is similar to putting a small sickly child with self esteem issues in the ring against a UFC fighter...really it is.
WAR was buggy, unfished, lacked armor variety (though many they had were done well), huge class balance issues, boring endgame, bugs, lag you name it. And as for complex pvp are you serious?
WAR pvp did force grouped or teamplay pvp (though this is becoming less important with each patch and 1v1 balance becomes more evident). WAR PvP imo was / is far less intense, tactical and fun then Aion PvP, and Aion is not nearly as unbalanced, unresponsive or broken and bug filled as WAR nor does it have totally lame tactics, I dunno if WAR still has but the whole Magus magnet ability then mass AoE WAS endgame PvP and it sucked terribly.
Honestly I saw little effect of the multidue of debuffs WAR gave to neary every single ability and it often felt redundent. And as for specifics a Sorcerer in Aion is far far more active and reactive then sorcerer in WAR which was very much a stand back, point and click nuke class that ran and prayed for guard from tanks. Aion sorcerrs in mass pvp (not ganking) require a whole lot of dancing across the battlefield and timing your attacks well.
Aion also has combos and directional movement buffs.
So while I agree I would like some stuff added into Aion at the same time Aion is better then all these new games to have released which speaks volumes and I am not even enjoying the latest version of the game! All that and Aion has a LOWER budget then these other games! Aion never tried to reinvent the wheel, they took what works, what people enjoy and refined and polished it. On that note, Aion is fantastic and great fun to play.
(on a side note...since you talk of WAR and also in your first post commented on the zones of AION....dude..really...WAR has the most linear zones of ANY MMO I have played, AoC comes close...but WAR takes the cake. WAR zones are linear, offers very similar zome progression and are very boxy, not to mention the geography is wonky on how zones connect. To top it off...even the quests of each new zone, are slightly reworded clones of the last zones quests. It was that issue that was one of many big reasons I left in the first place, was just awful).
Again, Aion has some minor problems and some stuff I would like to see added, but the issues you listed are universal and not limited to AIon and in fact Aion handles these issues better then most everyone else.
EDIT- Ok so I listed one major thing I dislike about AIon at least in China version. I will to be fair list a feature I would like added to Aion to show I do not find game perfect like some blind fanbi.
I would really like to see a form of Alternate Advancement or skill tree added to the game. I know we get options to customize our chars but more the better I say. I would like to see a similar method as EQ1. IE Lvl cap is 50, so around 45 you can earn "AA" points instead of normal xp or once your 50 you can earn AA xp. Which is used to learn new abilities, gain stats and so on. Most MMOs have them, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, AoC, FFXI had dual classes. If Aion did this it gives endgame options of things to do, gives chars even more variety and so on.
_Double EDIT_ Ok my posts are turning in chapters of a book and overly long. I just wanted to give some good points.
I have a die hard mmo fan friend, known him for 5 years now. He was very into WoW, ran a top raid guild for years and when I say top I mean it. Great gamer and really cool guy.
So he is bored of WoW, which I honestly never thought would happen. He went and tried a bunch of the games out there he missed, WAR, LoTRO, AoC, blah blah blah.
So he comes to me not long ago and tells me how bored he is and asks if I know any good games since I follow the genre very closely and do a lot of beta testing.
I turn him onto Aion and he is not into when I show him pics and stuff, typical reaction a lot of people have to Aion, korean anime grind bleh bleh bleh.
I encourage him to just give it a spin as he has nothing else to do. SO he does...i try to message him but few days he never messages me back...
I get a message days later telling me how amazing Aion is, how it reminds him final fantasy RPGs meeting WoW with all kinds of awesome. He has now also turned on many guildies of his, who are also now hooked and waiting for the NA version.
This said a lot to me as he is more picky then I am and doesnt throw away cash like I do on trying all these new games nor does he bother with getting into betas. To have him be so excited and at the same time hating all these other mmos that have released is huge. I liked his comparison as well, Aion does have a great story and enjoyable quests but also is a mmo, its nice.