Seeing as MS and Sony isn't delivering a new console in the next 5 years or more am 100% certain a lot of gamers will folk back to the PC. The future of the PC gaming industry is going to grow even larger.
Just because Sony isn't going to release a new console for 5 years doesn't mean that gamers will be rushing back to PCs. They are more likely to buy some other console or stick with the PS3 until Sony release something else. I get the feeling that Sony is waiting to see what direction the industry is going before even going to the drawing board. Also I think the PS3 has a lot of life in it yet.
Microsoft made a profit of 524 million dollars in the 2nd quarter of 2007, which is obviously a lot more now as they are running on pretty much even on manufactoring costs - selling price and much more Xbox360's have been sold.
Guess the 360 arcade POS is a great seller.. lol
Not so much, the best selling 360 is the pro model, the one that comes with a 60gb hard drive.
PC gaming just isn't doing so hot right now. The quality of the games are below console games according to metacritic/gamerankings, but the price tag is still brutal.
I must have skipped the class where it was taught metacritic/gamerankings crap holds any truth. I remember reading about some article and it was funny how some mediocre games (compared to previous entries) have a high score in it. Want an example? Metal Gear Solid 2.
I don't see many high rated games for the Wii (compared to Sony and Microsoft counterparts) but look news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7964459.stm. Not to mention according to metacritic, the same game when played on a Wii is inferior, most of the times.
But to the OP, I honestly don't see that debacle... you can have a gaming PC and a console, maybe that's just me.
PC gaming just isn't doing so hot right now. The quality of the games are below console games according to metacritic/gamerankings, but the price tag is still brutal.
I must have skipped the class where it was taught metacritic/gamerankings crap holds any truth. I remember reading about some article and it was funny how some mediocre games (compared to previous entries) have a high score in it. Want an example? Metal Gear Solid 2.
I don't see many high rated games for the Wii (compared to Sony and Microsoft counterparts) but look news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7964459.stm. Not to mention according to metacritic, the same game when played on a Wii is inferior, most of the times.
But to the OP, I honestly don't see that debacle... you can have a gaming PC and a console, maybe that's just me.
Metacritic and gamerankings gather the scores and reviews from tons of professional game reviewers and critics and is by far the most unbiased and credible source avaible right now.
Metal Gear Solid 2? Oh, you mean the game that scored 96 on average and is still widely considered to be one of the best games on the Playstation 2? So either those people are all completely wrong and you're right that it is indeed mediocre, or, wait for it, perhaps you just don't have a sense for quality?
If you have a source with more credibility, i'd gladly hear it and no, just because you disagree with those scores does not mean that they are wrong and you're right.
The Ghost Recond Advanced Warfighter they are refering to is the Xbox360 version, which is very different from the PC version in gameplay and was developed by a different studio. The Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter you're posting in that image is the Xbox360 version, which has a score of 90. The PC version has a score of only 80.
oh well at least you have ahum, "superior" multiplatform ports with neglectable differences.
Almost all PC games always end up on a console cause the devs are free to do it and they are not bound to that shityy exclusives system that MS and Sony uses to lure in the kiddos.
and yes.. PC version is always superior to that little outdated box of yours.
Almost all PC games always end up on a console cause the devs are free to do it and they are not bound to that shityy exclusives system that MS and Sony uses to lure in the kiddos. and yes.. PC version is always superior to that little outdated box of yours.
Exclusives are great, it means I get to play your games + more.
Those so called "superiority" are often little more than some minor graphical differences that don't increase the entertainment value one bit.
And that's the problem with PC gaming, the software sales are stagnant and developers outside of the MMO genre are by and large preferring consoles.
Then why the fck are the DEVS releasing almost all games on the PC?
"Almost all" in what respect? Because every holiday season and throughout the year there's plenty of console exclusives of high acclaim that either make it to PC a lot later (Gears of War, Fable, Halo II, Mass Effect), or don't reach it at all.
Ports are fine and welcomed, and multiplatform titles are good too when they include the PC, but the fact that the PC is being ported to or otherwise relegated into tetriary positions means developers are preferring consoles.
"Almost all" in what respect? Because every holiday season and throughout the year there's plenty of console exclusives of high acclaim that either make it to PC a lot later (Gears of War, Fable, Halo II, Mass Effect), or don't reach it at all. Ports are fine and welcomed, and multiplatform titles are good too when they include the PC, but the fact that the PC is being ported to or otherwise relegated into tetriary positions means developers are preferring consoles.
All plats are now being released simultaneously and the majority the consoles exclusives are just over hyped garbage.
"Almost all" in what respect? Because every holiday season and throughout the year there's plenty of console exclusives of high acclaim that either make it to PC a lot later (Gears of War, Fable, Halo II, Mass Effect), or don't reach it at all. Ports are fine and welcomed, and multiplatform titles are good too when they include the PC, but the fact that the PC is being ported to or otherwise relegated into tetriary positions means developers are preferring consoles.
All plats are now being released simultaneously and the majority the consoles exclusives are just over hyped garbage.
A blanket statement like that is why your particular gaming options are as small as they are.
What you believe is trash though doesn't dismiss the reality of consoles being preferred by developers and thus the variety and frequency of releases are centered there; alongside exclusives.
right now it is big however give it another year most of the people who are playing the wii or 360 will go running back to the wwf or mtv
the future of gaming will be in games like swg pre-cu games that are very hard and make you need other people to play with the whole class based system is going to go soon as more and more real gamers get into skill based games really this much you will see
a return to skill based games swg and uo
more open pvp worlds in mmo games
storylines will be player made not dev made
microsoft and nintendo will be left behind
fps games will be more along the lines of tactical shooters like the first rainbow 6
rts games will go back to their roots
fad games like call of duty halo and gears of war will slowly die off
pen and paper rpgs will die off as word has it dungeons and dragons is going away by the end of the year
gaming is going to go back to its roots and be on the pc
consoles are a fad right now it is big however give it another year most of the people who are playing the wii or 360 will go running back to the wwf or mtv the future of gaming will be in games like swg pre-cu games that are very hard and make you need other people to play with the whole class based system is going to go soon as more and more real gamers get into skill based games really this much you will see a return to skill based games swg and uo more open pvp worlds in mmo games storylines will be player made not dev made microsoft and nintendo will be left behind fps games will be more along the lines of tactical shooters like the first rainbow 6 rts games will go back to their roots fad games like call of duty halo and gears of war will slowly die off pen and paper rpgs will die off as word has it dungeons and dragons is going away by the end of the year gaming is going to go back to its roots and be on the pc
Yeah, Consoles are a fad. They've only been popular since the release of the Atari 2600 in 1977 and should die any day now... So what if they've been around 3 years longer in one form or another than the "PC" has (PC was introduced by IBM in 1980). They are most certainly just a fad. /sarcasm off
Metacritic and gamerankings gather the scores and reviews from tons of professional game reviewers and critics and is by far the most unbiased and credible source avaible right now. Metal Gear Solid 2? Oh, you mean the game that scored 96 on average and is still widely considered to be one of the best games on the Playstation 2? So either those people are all completely wrong and you're right that it is indeed mediocre, or, wait for it, perhaps you just don't have a sense for quality?
If you have a source with more credibility, i'd gladly hear it and no, just because you disagree with those scores does not mean that they are wrong and you're right.
No matter how good the self proclaimed gaming experts say, they're not reflecting the market's tendencies. In fact they're just showing trends for games as I see it. According to the scores and your logic, the Wii should be going the Dreamcast way now, and this is not close to reality by far.
MGS2 was just one of the examples, I've never ever found any person who believes that game is best in series (rated higher than any other game of the franchise on metacritic), so yeah, I'm not quite sure the scores pinpoint exactly how good games are, there's a whole subjective aspect to reviews, no matter how hard you try to paint your text with a scientific approach. Saying that x platform is doing bad because the games have 1 point lower is not an accurate way to measure how they're doing in business. I already pointed you the Wii example, the same game on the Wii is usually rated lower than the PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts and yadda yadda, maybe you should point me where's that so trustworthy data is leading us to.
I agree with whoever said the best way to evaluate how's PC going is to simply watch how many games are selling for the PC.
There might be also new forms of getting revenue from PC games... I was just reading about EA and Battlefield Heroes... who knows what will happen.
PC gaming just isn't doing so hot right now. The quality of the games are below console games according to metacritic/gamerankings, but the price tag is still brutal.
I must have skipped the class where it was taught metacritic/gamerankings crap holds any truth. I remember reading about some article and it was funny how some mediocre games (compared to previous entries) have a high score in it. Want an example? Metal Gear Solid 2.
I don't see many high rated games for the Wii (compared to Sony and Microsoft counterparts) but look news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7964459.stm. Not to mention according to metacritic, the same game when played on a Wii is inferior, most of the times.
But to the OP, I honestly don't see that debacle... you can have a gaming PC and a console, maybe that's just me.
The Wii is a great little console, not something you would play alone though.But it shows that it doesn't take great graphics to make fun games, personally I don't really know how to catagorise the Wii since its not your tradtional console.
Comparing the quality of games accross different platforms if a little pointless in my view, reviewers have different expectation for each platform and how can you compare a sports sim to a RTS. Games like CoD4 which are released on different platforms are so similar to each that comparisons are largely meaningless, although I have already stated that I prefer playing it on the PC, but thats just a personal preference rather than any issues I have with the console versions. I also think what the PC gamer looks for in a game is diffferent from what a person who plays console games seeks. Although I'm having second thoughts about this... But i do feel that the PC games market is becoming more of a niche market for the dedicated gamer.
I liked MGS2... until I had to play Raiden, still it was a better game than most.
Metacritic and gamerankings gather the scores and reviews from tons of professional game reviewers and critics and is by far the most unbiased and credible source avaible right now. Metal Gear Solid 2? Oh, you mean the game that scored 96 on average and is still widely considered to be one of the best games on the Playstation 2? So either those people are all completely wrong and you're right that it is indeed mediocre, or, wait for it, perhaps you just don't have a sense for quality?
If you have a source with more credibility, i'd gladly hear it and no, just because you disagree with those scores does not mean that they are wrong and you're right.
No matter how good the self proclaimed gaming experts say, they're not reflecting the market's tendencies. In fact they're just showing trends for games as I see it. According to the scores and your logic, the Wii should be going the Dreamcast way now, and this is not close to reality by far.
MGS2 was just one of the examples, I've never ever found any person who believes that game is best in series (rated higher than any other game of the franchise on metacritic), so yeah, I'm not quite sure the scores pinpoint exactly how good games are, there's a whole subjective aspect to reviews, no matter how hard you try to paint your text with a scientific approach. Saying that x platform is doing bad because the games have 1 point lower is not an accurate way to measure how they're doing in business. I already pointed you the Wii example, the same game on the Wii is usually rated lower than the PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts and yadda yadda, maybe you should point me where's that so trustworthy data is leading us to.
I agree with whoever said the best way to evaluate how's PC going is to simply watch how many games are selling for the PC.
There might be also new forms of getting revenue from PC games... I was just reading about EA and Battlefield Heroes... who knows what will happen.
It doesn't quite work that way.
The Wii is made for an entirely different kind of audience then the Xbox360, Playstation 3 or the Dreamcast.
To compare them is just silly. The console is popular by casuals and "non - gamers", while the hardcore tend to move to the PS3 and Xbox360, thing is. the casual market is significantly larger than the hardcore market, thus they can't really be compared. I
The difference between MGS2 and MGS 1 & 4 is only 0.2 points, not worth paying attention to. It's not surprising that you don't know anybody who thinks MGS2 is the best in the series. It doesn't have the nostalgia appeal of MGS1 as it's the 2nd game in the "solid" series and its probably not as good as MGS3 and MGS4. The reason why it's still rated this high is because of the time it was released in. Standards for video games were lower in 2001 (MGS2) than they were in 2004 (MGS3) so what was exciting in 2001 less impressive in 2004, and even less in 2009.
Seeing as the lolbox 360 and teh ps3 sells at a loss and the WII dominates in profits.. i see a very bleak future for high end graphic console gaming. They will all go for the cheap hardware casual Wii gaming route.
I don't think Sony or Microsoft aim to make a profit from selling the hardware. Their idea is to make money from things like selling games, xbox live, game add-ons etc. They may make a loss in the short to medium term from but long term is a different story.
The only ones they didn't make any money on were the very first batch. The factory test run.
Nobody goes into business to make a loss, not in the short run or the medium run. Profit, profit, profit.
Microsoft did not make an initial loss on hardware sales for the Xbox 360. Quite the opposite, it recouped all it's money early on selling them at greatly inflated prices while they were hot, hyped, must have items. It made much more money on it's hardware than it does now, and it still does well. I expect however we've seen the prices drop about as far a they can go now.
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Just because Sony isn't going to release a new console for 5 years doesn't mean that gamers will be rushing back to PCs. They are more likely to buy some other console or stick with the PS3 until Sony release something else. I get the feeling that Sony is waiting to see what direction the industry is going before even going to the drawing board. Also I think the PS3 has a lot of life in it yet.
Guess the 360 arcade POS is a great seller.. lol
Not so much, the best selling 360 is the pro model, the one that comes with a 60gb hard drive.
Anything above arcade sells at a loss so good job MS.
Then why the fck are the DEVS releasing almost all games on the PC?
Anything above arcade sells at a loss.. so good for MS i guees
Nope, it's the Hard drive model that sells at a profit actually.
Not that it really matters, as the profits come from licensing software.
I must have skipped the class where it was taught metacritic/gamerankings crap holds any truth. I remember reading about some article and it was funny how some mediocre games (compared to previous entries) have a high score in it. Want an example? Metal Gear Solid 2.
I don't see many high rated games for the Wii (compared to Sony and Microsoft counterparts) but look news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7964459.stm. Not to mention according to metacritic, the same game when played on a Wii is inferior, most of the times.
But to the OP, I honestly don't see that debacle... you can have a gaming PC and a console, maybe that's just me.
I must have skipped the class where it was taught metacritic/gamerankings crap holds any truth. I remember reading about some article and it was funny how some mediocre games (compared to previous entries) have a high score in it. Want an example? Metal Gear Solid 2.
I don't see many high rated games for the Wii (compared to Sony and Microsoft counterparts) but look news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7964459.stm. Not to mention according to metacritic, the same game when played on a Wii is inferior, most of the times.
But to the OP, I honestly don't see that debacle... you can have a gaming PC and a console, maybe that's just me.
Metacritic and gamerankings gather the scores and reviews from tons of professional game reviewers and critics and is by far the most unbiased and credible source avaible right now.
Metal Gear Solid 2? Oh, you mean the game that scored 96 on average and is still widely considered to be one of the best games on the Playstation 2? So either those people are all completely wrong and you're right that it is indeed mediocre, or, wait for it, perhaps you just don't have a sense for quality?
If you have a source with more credibility, i'd gladly hear it and no, just because you disagree with those scores does not mean that they are wrong and you're right.
we live in a age of multiplatform gaming and as we all know the PC versions are always superior.
Very cute image Precursor, except I'm going to need to correct you a bit.
Rock Band, Rock Band 2 and Guitar Hero 2 were indeed multiplatform....between consoles, there is no PC version.
Oh well, at least you get this to satisfy your music needs, and it's PC exclusive!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEWMMh3wiyY
The Ghost Recond Advanced Warfighter they are refering to is the Xbox360 version, which is very different from the PC version in gameplay and was developed by a different studio. The Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter you're posting in that image is the Xbox360 version, which has a score of 90. The PC version has a score of only 80.
oh well at least you have ahum, "superior" multiplatform ports with neglectable differences.
Almost all PC games always end up on a console cause the devs are free to do it and they are not bound to that shityy exclusives system that MS and Sony uses to lure in the kiddos.
and yes.. PC version is always superior to that little outdated box of yours.
Exclusives are great, it means I get to play your games + more.
Those so called "superiority" are often little more than some minor graphical differences that don't increase the entertainment value one bit.
Then why the fck are the DEVS releasing almost all games on the PC?
"Almost all" in what respect? Because every holiday season and throughout the year there's plenty of console exclusives of high acclaim that either make it to PC a lot later (Gears of War, Fable, Halo II, Mass Effect), or don't reach it at all.
Ports are fine and welcomed, and multiplatform titles are good too when they include the PC, but the fact that the PC is being ported to or otherwise relegated into tetriary positions means developers are preferring consoles.
What are youre system specs?
All plats are now being released simultaneously and the majority the consoles exclusives are just over hyped garbage.
What are youre system specs?
of my PC?
Nvidia geforce 9800 GTX
Intel Core duo 8400 @ 3.00Ghz
4 GB ram
Windows Vista 64 bit OS
All plats are now being released simultaneously and the majority the consoles exclusives are just over hyped garbage.
A blanket statement like that is why your particular gaming options are as small as they are.
What you believe is trash though doesn't dismiss the reality of consoles being preferred by developers and thus the variety and frequency of releases are centered there; alongside exclusives.
Console manufacterers make revenue off licensing games. Each game sold for their system deals the manufacter a cut. Been like this for decades now.
consoles are a fad
right now it is big however give it another year most of the people who are playing the wii or 360 will go running back to the wwf or mtv
the future of gaming will be in games like swg pre-cu games that are very hard and make you need other people to play with the whole class based system is going to go soon as more and more real gamers get into skill based games really this much you will see
a return to skill based games swg and uo
more open pvp worlds in mmo games
storylines will be player made not dev made
microsoft and nintendo will be left behind
fps games will be more along the lines of tactical shooters like the first rainbow 6
rts games will go back to their roots
fad games like call of duty halo and gears of war will slowly die off
pen and paper rpgs will die off as word has it dungeons and dragons is going away by the end of the year
gaming is going to go back to its roots and be on the pc
Yeah, Consoles are a fad. They've only been popular since the release of the Atari 2600 in 1977 and should die any day now... So what if they've been around 3 years longer in one form or another than the "PC" has (PC was introduced by IBM in 1980). They are most certainly just a fad. /sarcasm off
What fantasy world do you live in? LOL
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No matter how good the self proclaimed gaming experts say, they're not reflecting the market's tendencies. In fact they're just showing trends for games as I see it. According to the scores and your logic, the Wii should be going the Dreamcast way now, and this is not close to reality by far.
MGS2 was just one of the examples, I've never ever found any person who believes that game is best in series (rated higher than any other game of the franchise on metacritic), so yeah, I'm not quite sure the scores pinpoint exactly how good games are, there's a whole subjective aspect to reviews, no matter how hard you try to paint your text with a scientific approach. Saying that x platform is doing bad because the games have 1 point lower is not an accurate way to measure how they're doing in business. I already pointed you the Wii example, the same game on the Wii is usually rated lower than the PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts and yadda yadda, maybe you should point me where's that so trustworthy data is leading us to.
I agree with whoever said the best way to evaluate how's PC going is to simply watch how many games are selling for the PC.
There might be also new forms of getting revenue from PC games... I was just reading about EA and Battlefield Heroes... who knows what will happen.
I must have skipped the class where it was taught metacritic/gamerankings crap holds any truth. I remember reading about some article and it was funny how some mediocre games (compared to previous entries) have a high score in it. Want an example? Metal Gear Solid 2.
I don't see many high rated games for the Wii (compared to Sony and Microsoft counterparts) but look news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7964459.stm. Not to mention according to metacritic, the same game when played on a Wii is inferior, most of the times.
But to the OP, I honestly don't see that debacle... you can have a gaming PC and a console, maybe that's just me.
The Wii is a great little console, not something you would play alone though.But it shows that it doesn't take great graphics to make fun games, personally I don't really know how to catagorise the Wii since its not your tradtional console.
Comparing the quality of games accross different platforms if a little pointless in my view, reviewers have different expectation for each platform and how can you compare a sports sim to a RTS. Games like CoD4 which are released on different platforms are so similar to each that comparisons are largely meaningless, although I have already stated that I prefer playing it on the PC, but thats just a personal preference rather than any issues I have with the console versions. I also think what the PC gamer looks for in a game is diffferent from what a person who plays console games seeks. Although I'm having second thoughts about this... But i do feel that the PC games market is becoming more of a niche market for the dedicated gamer.
I liked MGS2... until I had to play Raiden, still it was a better game than most.
No matter how good the self proclaimed gaming experts say, they're not reflecting the market's tendencies. In fact they're just showing trends for games as I see it. According to the scores and your logic, the Wii should be going the Dreamcast way now, and this is not close to reality by far.
MGS2 was just one of the examples, I've never ever found any person who believes that game is best in series (rated higher than any other game of the franchise on metacritic), so yeah, I'm not quite sure the scores pinpoint exactly how good games are, there's a whole subjective aspect to reviews, no matter how hard you try to paint your text with a scientific approach. Saying that x platform is doing bad because the games have 1 point lower is not an accurate way to measure how they're doing in business. I already pointed you the Wii example, the same game on the Wii is usually rated lower than the PS3 and Xbox 360 counterparts and yadda yadda, maybe you should point me where's that so trustworthy data is leading us to.
I agree with whoever said the best way to evaluate how's PC going is to simply watch how many games are selling for the PC.
There might be also new forms of getting revenue from PC games... I was just reading about EA and Battlefield Heroes... who knows what will happen.
It doesn't quite work that way.
The Wii is made for an entirely different kind of audience then the Xbox360, Playstation 3 or the Dreamcast.
To compare them is just silly. The console is popular by casuals and "non - gamers", while the hardcore tend to move to the PS3 and Xbox360, thing is. the casual market is significantly larger than the hardcore market, thus they can't really be compared. I
The difference between MGS2 and MGS 1 & 4 is only 0.2 points, not worth paying attention to. It's not surprising that you don't know anybody who thinks MGS2 is the best in the series. It doesn't have the nostalgia appeal of MGS1 as it's the 2nd game in the "solid" series and its probably not as good as MGS3 and MGS4. The reason why it's still rated this high is because of the time it was released in. Standards for video games were lower in 2001 (MGS2) than they were in 2004 (MGS3) so what was exciting in 2001 less impressive in 2004, and even less in 2009.
I don't think Sony or Microsoft aim to make a profit from selling the hardware. Their idea is to make money from things like selling games, xbox live, game add-ons etc. They may make a loss in the short to medium term from but long term is a different story.
All Xbox 360 hardware sells at a tidy profit.
Microsoft makes money on each and every one.
The only ones they didn't make any money on were the very first batch. The factory test run.
Nobody goes into business to make a loss, not in the short run or the medium run. Profit, profit, profit.
Microsoft did not make an initial loss on hardware sales for the Xbox 360. Quite the opposite, it recouped all it's money early on selling them at greatly inflated prices while they were hot, hyped, must have items. It made much more money on it's hardware than it does now, and it still does well. I expect however we've seen the prices drop about as far a they can go now.
PC is the largest, best selling gaming platform. Always has been.
1 PC game sales alone > all of PS3's combined.
1 PC game sales alone > 1/2 Xbox 360 games sales.