Originally posted by Sorce Originally posted by brian72282Originally posted by jimothypetro Originally posted by brian72282I can guarentee EQ2 will be somewhere around $15US a month, Why? Because it's SOE. They are driven by greed. WoW on the otherhand was originally going to try to be free (charge for software only), but for whatever reason, they aren't (probably Vivendi's doing). That being the case, they STILL stated they are going to try to stop the constant upward trend in pricing for MMOs. I'm thinking between $10-12 per month. Maybe less. I'm not sure, and they've anounced nothing. Just wait and see, and just maybe, it'll be REASONABLY PRICED. SOE makes decent games that appeal to nerds. Their customer service is run by jocks who bully nerds. Wonder why SOE sucks so bad...Lol.. where on earth did you hear that Blizzard was trying to make WoW free monthly? SOE has already announced EQ2 will be $15 a month, and I would bet WoW will be in the $14-$15 range as well(they might undercut EQ2's price by a buck. ). ---------------------------------- "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977You must not have been paying much attention to the development of WoW then. Back shortly after beta when someone asked how much would it be, they replied, "Right now, we're unsure of how we're going to bill. It may be just for the software, or there may be a monthly fee involved. We're currently considering all options, and due to many players complaining about rising fees, we'll try to keep it free, or if not free, as cheap as possible." It was something close to that. If you don't believe me, ask some of the original beta testers for World of Warcraft. They'll tell you the same thing. I expect WoW to be the cheapest on the market, to be honest. IF (and that's a big if) it is around $15 a month, you can bet your ass the expansions will be a part of that monthly fee. Hell, they may already be planning that! SOE makes decent games that appeal to nerds. Their customer service is run by jocks who bully nerds. Wonder why SOE sucks so bad...If Blizzard stated it may be free, then it slipped past me, and I followed it pretty closely. Not saying you are wrong, just saying I never read it anywhere. Keep in mind though, they may make money on people buying the game, but they still have to pay for there servers every month, not to mention pay for their constant staff. They have a good bit of overhead. All MMOs do, at least the good ones, the ones that can substain a nice size player base. What would happen when Blizzard used up all the money that they received from the customer's initial investment? That's called diminshing returns. They would have to pay out of pocket, and I don't think any company is that nice.
Well, even though it's not going to be free, I do think they are going to be around the $10-12 price range, because they stated they won't be any of the companies making MMO's right now. You can also bet your rear end that if WoW is popular, that a "World of Starcraft" will come in a few years. In anycase, the cost will most likely DROP on this title compared to others out there who are extorting their customers.
SOE makes decent games that appeal to nerds. Their customer service is run by jocks who bully nerds. Wonder why SOE sucks so bad...
Originally posted by Nimrod4154 Yep. the MMORPG business is very greedy. The day i will stop playing MMORPGs is when the price goes over 20 dollars a month unless the game is GODLIKE.
do you guys have any idea how much power and money it takes to run a server that can host 3000 people + simultaneously? Try to run your own mmorpg server. At 2 gigs RAM, good processor, I had only 20 on my server before it lagged to all hell and back.
Now imagine 3000 with some lag. That is a big server. Now imagine about 15 of those things in a room with a team of Programmers, IT techs, and supervisors to monitor the servers and to create additional coding to make patches, expansions, etc.
Trust me, they are getting a profit (like any business should), but at the same time they're using that money to cover production costs, etc.
$15 a month is very fine. However, I wont pay over 20 just like you..not because I think they're greedy...but because I just feel uncomfortable in my pretty little private world to shell out a ISP dialup fee likness for a video game.
Originally posted by WizGamer Now hear me out, its just an opinion, I don't want yours. .
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
In my opinion, WoW will be $15 per month like the every other new MMO coming out. They may try to sneak in behind SoE at $14, but be assured, it will be very close.
Originally posted by Munki hey, did you guys also notice the price of bread go up form 25 cents to a dollar, or minimum wage go up? or maybe you noticed the proce of houses going up? computer games? everything goes up slowly. If it stayed the same, fresh bread would still be 5 cents.
Uhm. Up 5 dollars in four years? If it took about 15 for this to happen. It'd be understandable. (Or well, it was 7 years, not four. But none-the-less. It seems every year or so it goes up 1 to 2 dollars. That is absurd. Things usually go up through inflation, and when the price of bread went up from 25 cent to a dollar, minimum wage goes up from 1 dollar to 5. Etc.
The time period of 10 to 15 is not fitting well in the market. Because lets face it. As long as I can remember games were 30-$50, depending on game. And it still is)
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
I agree, games have been about the same price for a very long time now. However, technology is rapidly advancing, and with that comes the better games, be it graphics, content, or whatever. Do you think SoE could run today's EQ on their first set of servers? Not likely. I know a lot of people do not like SoE, but remember, they are in the industry for one reason..to make money. Everyone that embarks on a business endeavor does it to make money. If that wasnt the case, we wouldnot be where we are today, generally speaking. So, from $10-$15 in 5 years isnt much of a jump when comparing it to how far games have progressed in 5 years.
Do you think SoE could run today's EQ on their first set of servers? Not likely. I know a lot of people do not like SoE, but remember, they are in the industry for one reason..to make money.
And why not? You really think the shadows of luclin new and improved graphics put that much of a restrain on it? Lets face it, EQ1 from what it was in its beginning years have only very few things going. Better looking character models, some better looking terrain (which all is optional) Newer content, more balance, etc.
If the whole EQ population was on one server, i'd agree with you for the whole fact of the growth in population. But not much has changed.
Everyone that embarks on a business endeavor does it to make money. If that wasnt the case, we wouldnot be where we are today, generally speaking. So, from $10-$15 in 5 years isnt much of a jump when comparing it to how far games have progressed in 5 years.
I had to pay $50 for dos games. And I have to now pay $50 for doom.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
knight online is 14USD per month... and so i SWG payment i a m8 of mine told me that WoW will b the same so i have a feeling prices will be as high as that
Do you think SoE could run today's EQ on their first set of servers? Not likely. I know a lot of people do not like SoE, but remember, they are in the industry for one reason..to make money. And why not? You really think the shadows of luclin new and improved graphics put that much of a restrain on it? Lets face it, EQ1 from what it was in its beginning years have only very few things going. Better looking character models, some better looking terrain (which all is optional) Newer content, more balance, etc. If the whole EQ population was on one server, i'd agree with you for the whole fact of the growth in population. But not much has changed. Everyone that embarks on a business endeavor does it to make money. If that wasnt the case, we wouldnot be where we are today, generally speaking. So, from $10-$15 in 5 years isnt much of a jump when comparing it to how far games have progressed in 5 years.
I had to pay $50 for dos games. And I have to now pay $50 for doom.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
My only point was, if a company has to upgrade to create a better product, one that is running 24/7, 365 days a year, we are going to see an increase in monthly charges...I do not think it is entirely out of greed. As far as my comment on running the game on the original set of servers, wasn't completely aimed at the graphics. I haven't seen the numbers, but I bet the growth of their customer base warranted serveral new servers, as we all saw the new ones when they went live. Not to mention, who knows if the price they are paying didnt go up, as with everything else.
Lets be reasonable people, the reason cost of mmorpgs have gone up in cost is the same reason everything else in society has gone up in cost from gasoline to fruit by the foot fruit snack. As time progresses and corps gain more and more power and become larger vaster stronger, they develop a deeper desire to gain the beloved dollar that or the desire was already there. Sure technology has supplied us with plenty of reasons as to why cost should drop; however they raise the prices for this reason and this reason alone they know well pay it.
The action about SoE that did really piss me off was...
I buy an expension via the internet, directly downloading from them. Wich mean less cost for them, no CDs, no sending throught the mail, no additionnal fees.
However, at release, that expension was 20% less about everywhere then what they charge on my credit card...and I still dont have the box and the extra stuff that come with it!
- "Some peoples think I am a geek because, they say, that I think I save the world. They are wrong, I dont think I save the world, I did save the world!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
why the devs need some much money? imagine little game like runescape with around 10 devs and around 30,000 members paying $5/month multiply and you will get the incredible $150,000 a month. Thats right Runescape makes 150,000/month. minus around $5000 on all servers, taxes. They will get around $100,000 clean american dollars per month!!! devide on 10 members and you will get magic number of $10,000 per dev. omg by now they are probably millioneers.
I want better graphics! I want better gameplay! They are pointing and us gammers and laughing!
and what we say to ourselves in mind usually is "I'm paying only $5/month I'm so smart"
Well, even though it's not going to be free, I do think they are going to be around the $10-12 price range, because they stated they won't be any of the companies making MMO's right now. You can also bet your rear end that if WoW is popular, that a "World of Starcraft" will come in a few years. In anycase, the cost will most likely DROP on this title compared to others out there who are extorting their customers.
SOE makes decent games that appeal to nerds. Their customer service is run by jocks who bully nerds. Wonder why SOE sucks so bad...[/b][/quote]
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Anyhow, first of all on the EQ1 comment... it's not fix 15$ and since we're being petty, it's 13.95$ which is 14$.
EQ2 is probably going to be 15$, and WoW will closely follow, I doubt it will be much cheaper if at all. On that WoW being originally meant to be free, well, it's called careful choice of words when facing your customers. Come on, there is no way a game like WoW with the current number of anticipated subscriptions and mechanics would work for free, there is just no way, unless Blizzard want to go file a bankrupcy.
And EQ2 was originally meant to go on SoE All Access for 22.95$, it is currently off the list of game which are granted using it but there has been no official word on that yet. It is most likely due to the fact it only lists available games, but we will have to see for ourselves. Either way, I think paying 22.95$ for 3 MMOGs and 3 more SoE server based multiplayer games is fair even tho I don't have a PS2 and not planning on getting SOOA. Only downside to that is you can't have the account active on two games at once.
Now, just wanted to say I do think there should be a limit to MMOG prices, but get serious here... those 2$ difference between WoW and EQ2 will maybe buy you a McD on a sale, but they won't even get you to the movies on a weekday afternoon.
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I am 100% certain i posted in this thread replying to someone saying AO cost 9$ a month or something.
I can not see it is deleted nor can i see the other fellas post, have anyone seen my post? It was last seen to wear black background and white letters.
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Well, even though it's not going to be free, I do think they are going to be around the $10-12 price range, because they stated they won't be any of the companies making MMO's right now. You can also bet your rear end that if WoW is popular, that a "World of Starcraft" will come in a few years. In anycase, the cost will most likely DROP on this title compared to others out there who are extorting their customers.
SOE makes decent games that appeal to nerds. Their customer service is run by jocks who bully nerds. Wonder why SOE sucks so bad...
do you guys have any idea how much power and money it takes to run a server that can host 3000 people + simultaneously? Try to run your own mmorpg server. At 2 gigs RAM, good processor, I had only 20 on my server before it lagged to all hell and back.
Now imagine 3000 with some lag. That is a big server. Now imagine about 15 of those things in a room with a team of Programmers, IT techs, and supervisors to monitor the servers and to create additional coding to make patches, expansions, etc.
Trust me, they are getting a profit (like any business should), but at the same time they're using that money to cover production costs, etc.
$15 a month is very fine. However, I wont pay over 20 just like you..not because I think they're greedy...but because I just feel uncomfortable in my pretty little private world to shell out a ISP dialup fee likness for a video game.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
lol, its not just the government my friend.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Uhm. Up 5 dollars in four years? If it took about 15 for this to happen. It'd be understandable. (Or well, it was 7 years, not four. But none-the-less. It seems every year or so it goes up 1 to 2 dollars. That is absurd. Things usually go up through inflation, and when the price of bread went up from 25 cent to a dollar, minimum wage goes up from 1 dollar to 5. Etc.
The time period of 10 to 15 is not fitting well in the market. Because lets face it. As long as I can remember games were 30-$50, depending on game. And it still is)
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
I agree, games have been about the same price for a very long time now. However, technology is rapidly advancing, and with that comes the better games, be it graphics, content, or whatever. Do you think SoE could run today's EQ on their first set of servers? Not likely. I know a lot of people do not like SoE, but remember, they are in the industry for one reason..to make money. Everyone that embarks on a business endeavor does it to make money. If that wasnt the case, we wouldnot be where we are today, generally speaking. So, from $10-$15 in 5 years isnt much of a jump when comparing it to how far games have progressed in 5 years.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
My only point was, if a company has to upgrade to create a better product, one that is running 24/7, 365 days a year, we are going to see an increase in monthly charges...I do not think it is entirely out of greed. As far as my comment on running the game on the original set of servers, wasn't completely aimed at the graphics. I haven't seen the numbers, but I bet the growth of their customer base warranted serveral new servers, as we all saw the new ones when they went live. Not to mention, who knows if the price they are paying didnt go up, as with everything else.
The only MMO I played so far was Jumpgate. Free download and 9.95 a month.
I think GuildWars is gonna have a gameplay just like Diablo.. Technically not an mmo.
Lets be reasonable people, the reason cost of mmorpgs have gone up in cost is the same reason everything else in society has gone up in cost from gasoline to fruit by the foot fruit snack. As time progresses and corps gain more and more power and become larger vaster stronger, they develop a deeper desire to gain the beloved dollar that or the desire was already there. Sure technology has supplied us with plenty of reasons as to why cost should drop; however they raise the prices for this reason and this reason alone they know well pay it.
HaendelB
The action about SoE that did really piss me off was...
I buy an expension via the internet, directly downloading from them. Wich mean less cost for them, no CDs, no sending throught the mail, no additionnal fees.
However, at release, that expension was 20% less about everywhere then what they charge on my credit card...and I still dont have the box and the extra stuff that come with it!
- "Some peoples think I am a geek because, they say, that I think I save the world. They are wrong, I dont think I save the world, I did save the world!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
why the devs need some much money? imagine little game like runescape with around 10 devs and around 30,000 members paying $5/month multiply and you will get the incredible $150,000 a month. Thats right Runescape makes 150,000/month. minus around $5000 on all servers, taxes. They will get around $100,000 clean american dollars per month!!! devide on 10 members and you will get magic number of $10,000 per dev. omg by now they are probably millioneers.
I want better graphics! I want better gameplay! They are pointing and us gammers and laughing!
and what we say to ourselves in mind usually is "I'm paying only $5/month I'm so smart"
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[quote]Originally posted by brian72282
Well, even though it's not going to be free, I do think they are going to be around the $10-12 price range, because they stated they won't be any of the companies making MMO's right now. You can also bet your rear end that if WoW is popular, that a "World of Starcraft" will come in a few years. In anycase, the cost will most likely DROP on this title compared to others out there who are extorting their customers.
SOE makes decent games that appeal to nerds. Their customer service is run by jocks who bully nerds. Wonder why SOE sucks so bad...[/b][/quote]
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Anyhow, first of all on the EQ1 comment... it's not fix 15$ and since we're being petty, it's 13.95$ which is 14$.
EQ2 is probably going to be 15$, and WoW will closely follow, I doubt it will be much cheaper if at all. On that WoW being originally meant to be free, well, it's called careful choice of words when facing your customers. Come on, there is no way a game like WoW with the current number of anticipated subscriptions and mechanics would work for free, there is just no way, unless Blizzard want to go file a bankrupcy.
And EQ2 was originally meant to go on SoE All Access for 22.95$, it is currently off the list of game which are granted using it but there has been no official word on that yet. It is most likely due to the fact it only lists available games, but we will have to see for ourselves. Either way, I think paying 22.95$ for 3 MMOGs and 3 more SoE server based multiplayer games is fair even tho I don't have a PS2 and not planning on getting SOOA. Only downside to that is you can't have the account active on two games at once.
Now, just wanted to say I do think there should be a limit to MMOG prices, but get serious here... those 2$ difference between WoW and EQ2 will maybe buy you a McD on a sale, but they won't even get you to the movies on a weekday afternoon.
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Always run with scissors. The quicker you go, the quicker you'll get to your destination and the quicker you'll finish using the scissors, therefore significantly reducing your chances of injuring yourself
I am 100% certain i posted in this thread replying to someone saying AO cost 9$ a month or something.
I can not see it is deleted nor can i see the other fellas post, have anyone seen my post?
It was last seen to wear black background and white letters.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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