Originally posted by Kullision i'm pretty sure the point of making a different game is that the game is different. So no one has to say AION will be different because it should be inferred. dont hate the OP because he made a valid point, it just doesnt make sense.
so why did the op play wow then, it was just as much an everquest offspring as aion is, according to you there was obviously no need for making wow because it did not differ enough from eq, ac and daoc. i am pretty sure you played a 08/15 mmorpg that released after eq, so why be a hypocrit then?
This is a common misconception amongst the MMORPG community. World of Warcraft, while sharing many similarities with EverQuest, is far from a clone. The games you see out now share ten fold the amount of features that WoW shared with EQ when it launched. Please, don't think a game that came out and drove one of the final nails into the EQ coffin was merely a clone.
I think you're missing what the point trying to be addressed here. No matter how well you make an mmo it's still always the same thing over and over. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people honestly want to think Aion won't offer them anything different then other mmos then that's fine, we can't control how they view or play the game. However I can tell you I don't get the same experience I've had before, sure it's the same but so is playing Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age but I'm not going to belly ache about DA because it's the same type of game with better graphics and an improved version of the older games...
This game is alright but already I just feel more of the "same ****, different name". I've played pretty much every MMO there is, but this contributes to the problem(not entirely the games fault). I doubt there's anything really wrong with Aion, but when you've played almost every P2P and F2P mmo it's like "geez...this again?" The flight and "rvr" is little incentive to tredge through the mire, at least to me. All "wow clone"-ery aside, I can say that it's not impossible to make a good game that is largely and fundamentally different. The example being my first MMO was SWG pre-CU, and then when I played WoW, the game just changed but it was fresh...I previously gave a trial shot of EQ1 and didn't like it, but WoW was fresh and fun for me...but now almost every MMO is the same.
They're becoming homogenized, and no, I don't mean this in the sense that "they're wow clones", of course they're mostly going to be fundamentally synonymous but there isn't enough of a difference in Aion to justify me playing this game long term. I can say this because I have played the NA beta for a few hours that it's been up and I played the chinese betas for quite some time.
This right here shows that you know nothing about the game, thus the rest of your post is irrelevant.
Aion has challenging PvE, and a PvP system that actually works, compared to WAR's bland, boring PvE and broken pvp system. It's not just the polish that failed WAR, there's a big number of issues as well. Aion is MUCH more like DaoC in it's PvP not WAR.
What challenging PvE? All AION has is PvP. May I ask have you reach level cap on at least 1 character in either Chinese version or Korean version? If you do, you should have done all the PvE instances that AION has to offer by now, and you still think it's challenging?
A massive amount of WAR issues are either technical issues or balance issues. That's the lack of polishness.
Originally posted by Kullision i'm pretty sure the point of making a different game is that the game is different. So no one has to say AION will be different because it should be inferred. dont hate the OP because he made a valid point, it just doesnt make sense.
so why did the op play wow then, it was just as much an everquest offspring as aion is, according to you there was obviously no need for making wow because it did not differ enough from eq, ac and daoc. i am pretty sure you played a 08/15 mmorpg that released after eq, so why be a hypocrit then?
This is a common misconception amongst the MMORPG community. World of Warcraft, while sharing many similarities with EverQuest, is far from a clone. The games you see out now share ten fold the amount of features that WoW shared with EQ when it launched. Please, don't think a game that came out and drove one of the final nails into the EQ coffin was merely a clone.
I think you're missing what the point trying to be addressed here. No matter how well you make an mmo it's still always the same thing over and over. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people honestly want to think Aion won't offer them anything different then other mmos then that's fine, we can't control how they view or play the game. However I can tell you I don't get the same experience I've had before, sure it's the same but so is playing Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age but I'm not going to belly ache about DA because it's the same type of game with better graphics and an improved version of the older games...
Honestly, the games that have come out in the last five years are all huge leaps ahead, even if they are all leaps to a similar spot. The difference I was trying to establish was a difference between World of Warcraft and the so-called "clones", and how World of Warcraft compares to EverQuest. Honestly, I was nit-picking the comparison.
I'm not sure about you, but I've been playing MMORPGs for way too long, and taking an honest look back is pretty astounding. The difference in innovation between Meridian 59/Ultima Online/EverQuest and World of Warcraft is like the difference between innovation in an Atari 2600 and an Xbox.
From what I've read about Aion, the jump is much smaller. The game, which has been called "polished" has rehashed many features that make WoW popular, and why not? Those are the features that spelled success for Blizzard.
The bottom line? I was just trying to point out something I disagreed with that had little to do with Aion, and more to do with the use of "WoW was just an EQ clone" as an argument.
i have never once mentioned the word clone, i specifically said offspring, they are all related, there are no clones, anywhere. a clone is an exact copy of something else, servers of an mmorpg can be clones (if they implement the same rules), and that's all there is to call clone.
yes the jump from wow to aion is far smaller than from eq to wow, but that doesn't matter, everything that defines wow is from eq, the fact that you level faster, there are more quests etcetc, those are just small things. the big part here is that they both have a big world divided into zones with mobs of different levels, people choose race and class and level from 1 to max, they loot items, sell and buy, craft, interact with each other, build groups, join guilds, build raids and get shiny loots. that is what makes these games, everything else is just minor evolution that differs from game to game.
wow and aion are both very closely related to eq and so is most any other mmorpg out there.
I will never understand why people compare other games to WoW and why they say it's a wow clone, or it is a copy of WoW. You can only make these kinds of statements to something that started out of nothing, something that was original. WoW is a copy of all the previous mmorpgs before it.
It brought ABSOLUTELY NOTHING new to the table. And people are still playing it. If Aion is a copy of something, it's not of WoW. But anyways, like some of the previous posts, people who start these kinds of topics are just trolls. Most of them have not even played the game, they are just seeking attention.
Yep I agree with the OP, played this for 15 minutes. Enough to realise its same old same old,, back to Darkfall I go before i get hugged to death by cuddly wubbly bunnies of love......yuk.
LMAO, he said back to Darkfall?
Anyway I am with Sovrath. Lineage 2 has been my only game for years so I am new to this quest type of gameplay and I am loving it.
you don't go around and tell pears that they don't taste different enough from apples just because you somehow felt like they should taste like ice cream.
Human nature is too funny. A few hours into a beta, and you have crazy talks of "AION iz notin butt a koriyan grinderrr!!!11!!11!11" and "AION iiz notinn butt a WOW CLONE!!!!11111"
As Einstein once said, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Seriously.....why even take the time to download the game if you aren't even going to give it a fair shake? I'm not saying it is or isn't good, but talk about a rush to judgement.....
It get's old hearing everyone say the same thing, MMO after MMO.. And even though most folks are right, how many games truly are revolutionary to begin with....?
Consider the single player RPG Genre games such as:
Planescape Torment, Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, BG2, IWD2, and various others, basically the same game reskinned, new story and only slight game mechanic improvements from game to game, but many people love them, and it seems that current games still follow similar game mechanics.
Consider: Diablo, Diablo 2, Sacred, and various other Diablo clones, all basically the same game reskinned, new story and only slight mechanic improvements, yet again many people love them, and as Silverfall, Sacred 2, Titans Quest and the soon coming Diablo 3 prove games in the same style are still being made with only slight improvements.
Dragon Quest 1-8, Final Fantasy 1 through X, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, The Legend of Dragoon, Lord of the Rings the third Age, Lost Odyssey, and various turn based console RPG clones, all basically the same game reskinned, new story and only slight game mechanic improvements, yet again many people love them, and i'm sure there will be countless clones of these made in the future...
I could go on but I won't.... In my opinion one of the main things that will keep many RPG gamers playing the same rehashed games is 1.) The story 2.) Likeable Characters 3.) Developers 4.) Proven Format
So why do many want to hold MMORPG's to higher standards than RPG's?
Originally posted by Kullision i'm pretty sure the point of making a different game is that the game is different. So no one has to say AION will be different because it should be inferred. dont hate the OP because he made a valid point, it just doesnt make sense.
so why did the op play wow then, it was just as much an everquest offspring as aion is, according to you there was obviously no need for making wow because it did not differ enough from eq, ac and daoc. i am pretty sure you played a 08/15 mmorpg that released after eq, so why be a hypocrit then?
This is a common misconception amongst the MMORPG community. World of Warcraft, while sharing many similarities with EverQuest, is far from a clone. The games you see out now share ten fold the amount of features that WoW shared with EQ when it launched. Please, don't think a game that came out and drove one of the final nails into the EQ coffin was merely a clone.
I think you're missing what the point trying to be addressed here. No matter how well you make an mmo it's still always the same thing over and over. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people honestly want to think Aion won't offer them anything different then other mmos then that's fine, we can't control how they view or play the game. However I can tell you I don't get the same experience I've had before, sure it's the same but so is playing Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age but I'm not going to belly ache about DA because it's the same type of game with better graphics and an improved version of the older games...
Honestly, the games that have come out in the last five years are all huge leaps ahead, even if they are all leaps to a similar spot. The difference I was trying to establish was a difference between World of Warcraft and the so-called "clones", and how World of Warcraft compares to EverQuest. Honestly, I was nit-picking the comparison.
I'm not sure about you, but I've been playing MMORPGs for way too long, and taking an honest look back is pretty astounding. The difference in innovation between Meridian 59/Ultima Online/EverQuest and World of Warcraft is like the difference between innovation in an Atari 2600 and an Xbox.
From what I've read about Aion, the jump is much smaller. The game, which has been called "polished" has rehashed many features that make WoW popular, and why not? Those are the features that spelled success for Blizzard.
The bottom line? I was just trying to point out something I disagreed with that had little to do with Aion, and more to do with the use of "WoW was just an EQ clone" as an argument.
Personally I totally agree with you in the sense that every step taken is an improvement and should not be downplayed at all. I've said in my blog that WoW changed how we play games and some people were suprised at that and that WoW just ripped off EQ. What they don't understand is this is what an MMO IS. Every generation improves and adds to it and even changes some aspects but essentially you can't change what an MMO is.
Which is why these threads right here make me laugh. Especially since the game in question never promised anything completely new other then aerial combat.
Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... we need something to kill time on right???
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... we need something to kill time on right???
If this game was F2P, I'd be inclined to agree with you. Right now though I don't see myself paying $50 + $15 per month as I'm waiting for a real game.
Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... we need something to kill time on right???
If this game was F2P, I'd be inclined to agree with you. Right now though I don't see myself paying $50 + $15 per month as I'm waiting for a real game.
The wait will be incredibly long, because there's barely anything that can made into an MMO that hasn't been touched yet.
Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... we need something to kill time on right???
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... we need something to kill time on right???
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive.
For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server.
As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing.
Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right?
Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... we need something to kill time on right???
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive.
For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server.
As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing.
Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right?
I'm not disagreeing with you, but i was wondering how you know the way asian MM0s calculate subscription totals. And, is there a website that lists the current population of current MMOs?
Ive seen one website that has population charts of MMOs from 1997 but it hasnt been updated since last year
Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... we need something to kill time on right???
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive.
For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server.
As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing.
Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right?
I'm not disagreeing with you, but i was wondering how you know the way asian MM0s calculate subscription totals. And, is there a website that lists the current population of current MMOs?
Ive seen one website that has population charts of MMOs from 1997 but it hasnt been updated since last year
In a game which has no monthly fee, accounts don't get canceled. You just stop playing the game. Since most asian MMOs are F2P, itemshop or pay for time, all accounts ever created are in good standing.
That doesn't mean that most of those accounts are being used. But since there are no subscription fees like there are in the west, I doubt that anybody actually takes time to cancel an account. I know I never do with any F2P mmo I try.
As far as statistics, I just looked up Maple Story in Wikipedia. I know that it's not the most reliable source out there but I'm not writing a school paper and the numbers listed there are close to the ones I remember were advertised by Nexon a while ago.
I believe the F2P games in asia where you buy time are tabulated by how many accounts bought time that month. So if they are inactive they aren't buying time and thus aren't counted. Now the item mall games are the hard ones to pin down, IE Maple Story. So as long as AION is a pay for time game the numbers will be pretty accurate. Also have to read the wording as well. If they use accounts created vs subs.
Human nature is too funny. A few hours into a beta, and you have crazy talks of "AION iz notin butt a koriyan grinderrr!!!11!!11!11" and "AION iiz notinn butt a WOW CLONE!!!!11111"
As Einstein once said, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Seriously.....why even take the time to download the game if you aren't even going to give it a fair shake? I'm not saying it is or isn't good, but talk about a rush to judgement.....
It's because those players are already playing other games, but since the beta keys were up for grabs, they thought ""why not, then I'll experience this Korean grinder/WoW clone and show up on the forums and complain while saying "I TOLD YOU SO"".
It didn't go quite as planned, as there was nothing really to complain about, so they ended up labeling the game a WoW clone and complain that it's the 'same old same old', which of course, had they followed the game a bit before trying it, they would have already known that the 1rst 20levels are like every other traditional MMO.
WHO SAID YOU AION WILL BE DIFFERENT ?? if you bored with mmos dont play them
nuff said xD
MMOs are MMOs...looking for something different ?...go play Darkfall
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Human nature is too funny. A few hours into a beta, and you have crazy talks of "AION iz notin butt a koriyan grinderrr!!!11!!11!11" and "AION iiz notinn butt a WOW CLONE!!!!11111"
As Einstein once said, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
Seriously.....why even take the time to download the game if you aren't even going to give it a fair shake? I'm not saying it is or isn't good, but talk about a rush to judgement.....
It's because those players are already playing other games, but since the beta keys were up for grabs, they thought ""why not, then I'll experience this Korean grinder/WoW clone and show up on the forums and complain while saying "I TOLD YOU SO"".
It didn't go quite as planned, as there was nothing really to complain about, so they ended up labeling the game a WoW clone and complain that it's the 'same old same old', which of course, had they followed the game a bit before trying it, they would have already known that the 1rst 20levels are like every other traditional MMO.
Probably the best thing I've heard on the Aion forums in the last few days. Well done. I mean there really aren't many things to nitpick. I'm going to think of a few off the top of my head.
1. I can't swim!
2. It's just like WoW!
3. It's a korean grinder!
4. It has channels in starting zones!!!
5. The Elyos run wierd!
6. The Asmodians run wierd!
7. There's too many people KSing my mobs, bad community!
8. I can't fly forever!
Ok so really the only real complaint I can see is no swimming and I really think if swimming is in the top 5 of what you look forward in an MMO, go scuba diving. If people have noticed they let everyone on one server and only one starting zone. Wheres the whining about lag? I don't hear much of that. Which is good, thats what I want to hear! It means we can have large RvR fights in the Abyss! Looking forward to it.
I played in Asian Aion and have checked out the NA version somewhat.
Aion does not do much new but it does it well.
Those looking or something vastly different from EQ2 or even games like Guild Wars or Lineage 2 will be disappointed. I am not saying it is a clone but there are points of similarity ranging from quests to art style.
The flying mechanic does mix it up a bit.
The graphics are nice, the client is extremely stable on max settings (at least, in my experience).
Having not pvp'd yet it would be unfair or stupid for me to make a judgment on it either way. The pvp may bring something more to the table.
Aion will keep a lot of fans of this kind of game very happy. If you're looking for something very original, you will probably be disappointed.
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it's funny because.. i played WoW since beta all the way through to WOTLK and guess what? i find Aion more entertaining. It's not just WoW with nice graphics, you must be retarded... go back to WoW and don't come back
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so why did the op play wow then, it was just as much an everquest offspring as aion is, according to you there was obviously no need for making wow because it did not differ enough from eq, ac and daoc. i am pretty sure you played a 08/15 mmorpg that released after eq, so why be a hypocrit then?
This is a common misconception amongst the MMORPG community. World of Warcraft, while sharing many similarities with EverQuest, is far from a clone. The games you see out now share ten fold the amount of features that WoW shared with EQ when it launched. Please, don't think a game that came out and drove one of the final nails into the EQ coffin was merely a clone.
I think you're missing what the point trying to be addressed here. No matter how well you make an mmo it's still always the same thing over and over. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people honestly want to think Aion won't offer them anything different then other mmos then that's fine, we can't control how they view or play the game. However I can tell you I don't get the same experience I've had before, sure it's the same but so is playing Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age but I'm not going to belly ache about DA because it's the same type of game with better graphics and an improved version of the older games...
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This game is alright but already I just feel more of the "same ****, different name". I've played pretty much every MMO there is, but this contributes to the problem(not entirely the games fault). I doubt there's anything really wrong with Aion, but when you've played almost every P2P and F2P mmo it's like "geez...this again?" The flight and "rvr" is little incentive to tredge through the mire, at least to me. All "wow clone"-ery aside, I can say that it's not impossible to make a good game that is largely and fundamentally different. The example being my first MMO was SWG pre-CU, and then when I played WoW, the game just changed but it was fresh...I previously gave a trial shot of EQ1 and didn't like it, but WoW was fresh and fun for me...but now almost every MMO is the same.
They're becoming homogenized, and no, I don't mean this in the sense that "they're wow clones", of course they're mostly going to be fundamentally synonymous but there isn't enough of a difference in Aion to justify me playing this game long term. I can say this because I have played the NA beta for a few hours that it's been up and I played the chinese betas for quite some time.
What challenging PvE? All AION has is PvP. May I ask have you reach level cap on at least 1 character in either Chinese version or Korean version? If you do, you should have done all the PvE instances that AION has to offer by now, and you still think it's challenging?
A massive amount of WAR issues are either technical issues or balance issues. That's the lack of polishness.
so why did the op play wow then, it was just as much an everquest offspring as aion is, according to you there was obviously no need for making wow because it did not differ enough from eq, ac and daoc. i am pretty sure you played a 08/15 mmorpg that released after eq, so why be a hypocrit then?
This is a common misconception amongst the MMORPG community. World of Warcraft, while sharing many similarities with EverQuest, is far from a clone. The games you see out now share ten fold the amount of features that WoW shared with EQ when it launched. Please, don't think a game that came out and drove one of the final nails into the EQ coffin was merely a clone.
I think you're missing what the point trying to be addressed here. No matter how well you make an mmo it's still always the same thing over and over. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people honestly want to think Aion won't offer them anything different then other mmos then that's fine, we can't control how they view or play the game. However I can tell you I don't get the same experience I've had before, sure it's the same but so is playing Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age but I'm not going to belly ache about DA because it's the same type of game with better graphics and an improved version of the older games...
Honestly, the games that have come out in the last five years are all huge leaps ahead, even if they are all leaps to a similar spot. The difference I was trying to establish was a difference between World of Warcraft and the so-called "clones", and how World of Warcraft compares to EverQuest. Honestly, I was nit-picking the comparison.
I'm not sure about you, but I've been playing MMORPGs for way too long, and taking an honest look back is pretty astounding. The difference in innovation between Meridian 59/Ultima Online/EverQuest and World of Warcraft is like the difference between innovation in an Atari 2600 and an Xbox.
From what I've read about Aion, the jump is much smaller. The game, which has been called "polished" has rehashed many features that make WoW popular, and why not? Those are the features that spelled success for Blizzard.
The bottom line? I was just trying to point out something I disagreed with that had little to do with Aion, and more to do with the use of "WoW was just an EQ clone" as an argument.
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i have never once mentioned the word clone, i specifically said offspring, they are all related, there are no clones, anywhere. a clone is an exact copy of something else, servers of an mmorpg can be clones (if they implement the same rules), and that's all there is to call clone.
yes the jump from wow to aion is far smaller than from eq to wow, but that doesn't matter, everything that defines wow is from eq, the fact that you level faster, there are more quests etcetc, those are just small things. the big part here is that they both have a big world divided into zones with mobs of different levels, people choose race and class and level from 1 to max, they loot items, sell and buy, craft, interact with each other, build groups, join guilds, build raids and get shiny loots. that is what makes these games, everything else is just minor evolution that differs from game to game.
wow and aion are both very closely related to eq and so is most any other mmorpg out there.
I will never understand why people compare other games to WoW and why they say it's a wow clone, or it is a copy of WoW. You can only make these kinds of statements to something that started out of nothing, something that was original. WoW is a copy of all the previous mmorpgs before it.
It brought ABSOLUTELY NOTHING new to the table. And people are still playing it. If Aion is a copy of something, it's not of WoW. But anyways, like some of the previous posts, people who start these kinds of topics are just trolls. Most of them have not even played the game, they are just seeking attention.
LMAO, he said back to Darkfall?
Anyway I am with Sovrath. Lineage 2 has been my only game for years so I am new to this quest type of gameplay and I am loving it.
Human nature is too funny. A few hours into a beta, and you have crazy talks of
"AION iz notin butt a koriyan grinderrr!!!11!!11!11"
and
"AION iiz notinn butt a WOW CLONE!!!!11111"
As Einstein once said, "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
That's a nice quote.
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Seriously.....why even take the time to download the game if you aren't even going to give it a fair shake? I'm not saying it is or isn't good, but talk about a rush to judgement.....
It get's old hearing everyone say the same thing, MMO after MMO.. And even though most folks are right, how many games truly are revolutionary to begin with....?
Consider the single player RPG Genre games such as:
Planescape Torment, Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, BG2, IWD2, and various others, basically the same game reskinned, new story and only slight game mechanic improvements from game to game, but many people love them, and it seems that current games still follow similar game mechanics.
Consider: Diablo, Diablo 2, Sacred, and various other Diablo clones, all basically the same game reskinned, new story and only slight mechanic improvements, yet again many people love them, and as Silverfall, Sacred 2, Titans Quest and the soon coming Diablo 3 prove games in the same style are still being made with only slight improvements.
Dragon Quest 1-8, Final Fantasy 1 through X, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, The Legend of Dragoon, Lord of the Rings the third Age, Lost Odyssey, and various turn based console RPG clones, all basically the same game reskinned, new story and only slight game mechanic improvements, yet again many people love them, and i'm sure there will be countless clones of these made in the future...
I could go on but I won't.... In my opinion one of the main things that will keep many RPG gamers playing the same rehashed games is 1.) The story 2.) Likeable Characters 3.) Developers 4.) Proven Format
So why do many want to hold MMORPG's to higher standards than RPG's?
so why did the op play wow then, it was just as much an everquest offspring as aion is, according to you there was obviously no need for making wow because it did not differ enough from eq, ac and daoc. i am pretty sure you played a 08/15 mmorpg that released after eq, so why be a hypocrit then?
This is a common misconception amongst the MMORPG community. World of Warcraft, while sharing many similarities with EverQuest, is far from a clone. The games you see out now share ten fold the amount of features that WoW shared with EQ when it launched. Please, don't think a game that came out and drove one of the final nails into the EQ coffin was merely a clone.
I think you're missing what the point trying to be addressed here. No matter how well you make an mmo it's still always the same thing over and over. And there's nothing wrong with that. If people honestly want to think Aion won't offer them anything different then other mmos then that's fine, we can't control how they view or play the game. However I can tell you I don't get the same experience I've had before, sure it's the same but so is playing Neverwinter Nights 2 and Dragon Age but I'm not going to belly ache about DA because it's the same type of game with better graphics and an improved version of the older games...
Honestly, the games that have come out in the last five years are all huge leaps ahead, even if they are all leaps to a similar spot. The difference I was trying to establish was a difference between World of Warcraft and the so-called "clones", and how World of Warcraft compares to EverQuest. Honestly, I was nit-picking the comparison.
I'm not sure about you, but I've been playing MMORPGs for way too long, and taking an honest look back is pretty astounding. The difference in innovation between Meridian 59/Ultima Online/EverQuest and World of Warcraft is like the difference between innovation in an Atari 2600 and an Xbox.
From what I've read about Aion, the jump is much smaller. The game, which has been called "polished" has rehashed many features that make WoW popular, and why not? Those are the features that spelled success for Blizzard.
The bottom line? I was just trying to point out something I disagreed with that had little to do with Aion, and more to do with the use of "WoW was just an EQ clone" as an argument.
Personally I totally agree with you in the sense that every step taken is an improvement and should not be downplayed at all. I've said in my blog that WoW changed how we play games and some people were suprised at that and that WoW just ripped off EQ. What they don't understand is this is what an MMO IS. Every generation improves and adds to it and even changes some aspects but essentially you can't change what an MMO is.
Which is why these threads right here make me laugh. Especially since the game in question never promised anything completely new other then aerial combat.
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Cmon.. everyone should understand that aion
is just a pitty game, we all play this till the real games come out.. like diablo II.. starcraft II and ffXIV... 
we need something to kill time on right???
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If this game was F2P, I'd be inclined to agree with you. Right now though I don't see myself paying $50 + $15 per month as I'm waiting for a real game.
If this game was F2P, I'd be inclined to agree with you. Right now though I don't see myself paying $50 + $15 per month as I'm waiting for a real game.
The wait will be incredibly long, because there's barely anything that can made into an MMO that hasn't been touched yet.
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive.
For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server.
As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing.
Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right?
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive.
For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server.
As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing.
Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right?
I'm not disagreeing with you, but i was wondering how you know the way asian MM0s calculate subscription totals. And, is there a website that lists the current population of current MMOs?
Ive seen one website that has population charts of MMOs from 1997 but it hasnt been updated since last year
LOL, you consider Diablo and Starcraft to be real games? Another RTS to add to an already flooded market and the same top down view, killing the same monsters over and over type of game thats been done so many times before. Like one of the above posters said. Those games are the same style of games that we have played for years but you are so hyped about them but when it comes to MMOs if its not something new its not good. The only non mmo game that has me hyped is Dragon Age. Games like Diablo and Starcraft are games you play when your MMO is down for weekly maintanence.
FFXIV is on my list of most wanted but who knows anything about the game? Show me one in game video or trailer. When Final Fantasy gets ready to come out people will be talking about games like Oblivion Online, Blade & Soul and what ever else is announced. People will always be hyped about the next thing the same way they were about games like Age Of Conan, Dark Fall and Warhammer.
Aion is on its way to 4 Million Subcribers in less then 6 months. Its a great game that may not be what you are looking for but thats not our problem now is it?
People seem to either get confused about Aion subscribers or purposefuly mislead others. The 4 million subscribers are not subscribers in the same sense as they are in a western MMO's. Since most Asian MMOs are either F2P or have a free client download, they count total accounts ever created, active or inactive.
For example, in Aion China you download the client free of charge and then buy game time. Anyone who has created an account gets counted, whether they are playing or not. You also get free time, either on new servers or when you just join a server.
As an example, check out the population statistics for Maple Story. They blow away WoW, Aion, EQ2, L2 and most other western and probably Asian MMOs right out of the water. Why? Because they report total accounts ever created and not just those in good standing.
Now if we were to take Maple Story's numbers at face value, we can safely assume that Maple Story is probably the most amazing MMO ever created. Right?
I'm not disagreeing with you, but i was wondering how you know the way asian MM0s calculate subscription totals. And, is there a website that lists the current population of current MMOs?
Ive seen one website that has population charts of MMOs from 1997 but it hasnt been updated since last year
In a game which has no monthly fee, accounts don't get canceled. You just stop playing the game. Since most asian MMOs are F2P, itemshop or pay for time, all accounts ever created are in good standing.
That doesn't mean that most of those accounts are being used. But since there are no subscription fees like there are in the west, I doubt that anybody actually takes time to cancel an account. I know I never do with any F2P mmo I try.
As far as statistics, I just looked up Maple Story in Wikipedia. I know that it's not the most reliable source out there but I'm not writing a school paper and the numbers listed there are close to the ones I remember were advertised by Nexon a while ago.
I believe the F2P games in asia where you buy time are tabulated by how many accounts bought time that month. So if they are inactive they aren't buying time and thus aren't counted. Now the item mall games are the hard ones to pin down, IE Maple Story. So as long as AION is a pay for time game the numbers will be pretty accurate. Also have to read the wording as well. If they use accounts created vs subs.
Seriously.....why even take the time to download the game if you aren't even going to give it a fair shake? I'm not saying it is or isn't good, but talk about a rush to judgement.....
It's because those players are already playing other games, but since the beta keys were up for grabs, they thought ""why not, then I'll experience this Korean grinder/WoW clone and show up on the forums and complain while saying "I TOLD YOU SO"".
It didn't go quite as planned, as there was nothing really to complain about, so they ended up labeling the game a WoW clone and complain that it's the 'same old same old', which of course, had they followed the game a bit before trying it, they would have already known that the 1rst 20levels are like every other traditional MMO.
nuff said xD
MMOs are MMOs...looking for something different ?...go play Darkfall
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What's a "grocery store"? Is that like McDonald's?
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Kind of, just without the rapist.
Seriously.....why even take the time to download the game if you aren't even going to give it a fair shake? I'm not saying it is or isn't good, but talk about a rush to judgement.....
It's because those players are already playing other games, but since the beta keys were up for grabs, they thought ""why not, then I'll experience this Korean grinder/WoW clone and show up on the forums and complain while saying "I TOLD YOU SO"".
It didn't go quite as planned, as there was nothing really to complain about, so they ended up labeling the game a WoW clone and complain that it's the 'same old same old', which of course, had they followed the game a bit before trying it, they would have already known that the 1rst 20levels are like every other traditional MMO.
Probably the best thing I've heard on the Aion forums in the last few days. Well done. I mean there really aren't many things to nitpick. I'm going to think of a few off the top of my head.
1. I can't swim!
2. It's just like WoW!
3. It's a korean grinder!
4. It has channels in starting zones!!!
5. The Elyos run wierd!
6. The Asmodians run wierd!
7. There's too many people KSing my mobs, bad community!
8. I can't fly forever!
Ok so really the only real complaint I can see is no swimming and I really think if swimming is in the top 5 of what you look forward in an MMO, go scuba diving. If people have noticed they let everyone on one server and only one starting zone. Wheres the whining about lag? I don't hear much of that. Which is good, thats what I want to hear! It means we can have large RvR fights in the Abyss! Looking forward to it.
I played in Asian Aion and have checked out the NA version somewhat.
Aion does not do much new but it does it well.
Those looking or something vastly different from EQ2 or even games like Guild Wars or Lineage 2 will be disappointed. I am not saying it is a clone but there are points of similarity ranging from quests to art style.
The flying mechanic does mix it up a bit.
The graphics are nice, the client is extremely stable on max settings (at least, in my experience).
Having not pvp'd yet it would be unfair or stupid for me to make a judgment on it either way. The pvp may bring something more to the table.
Aion will keep a lot of fans of this kind of game very happy. If you're looking for something very original, you will probably be disappointed.
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it's funny because.. i played WoW since beta all the way through to WOTLK and guess what? i find Aion more entertaining. It's not just WoW with nice graphics, you must be retarded... go back to WoW and don't come back