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Ships for mission running
qweniden
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Im Gallente and currently flying an Incursis. Ive trained up my minning skills to where I want them for now and want to upgrade mission running ships skills now. What ship(s) is a good next step after Incursis?
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I dont know what gallente ships are called but cruisers work well for level 1 & 2 missions, there were a few level 1 missions i couldn't get my cruiser in , just have a frigate for those, and all level 1's can be beaten with a frigate
Vexor cruiser and Myrmidon battlecruiser then the Domi battleship.
And be sure to train up those drone skills, they are your primary mission running tools.
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Destroyers are also nice for some level 1 missions that won't let in cruisers.
I didnt know this. Could you expand on this point?
Being Gallente like myself, you'll find that drones are a major source of damage in missions. Someone else already named the best ships above for this purpose. I sometimes liked to bring my ishkur into L3s just to mess around. But by all means, a myrmidon will be just fine
Best skills for us for missions:
Scout Drone Op V
Drones V
Heavy Drone Op V or Sentry V (many prefer Heavy V so they can eventually relax more in L4s)
Gunnery skills
Hull upgrades V - Gallente are armor tankers primarily, esp for PVE
You'll want Electronic drone IV at some point, helps extend gallente drone control range
Connections 4 at some point, will get you higher quality agents. It's a must have for mission runners
Ships: Vexor -> Myrmidon -> Domi (Level 4)
A Vexor is a great next ship to get. A Vexor's strength is its drones. You really need to train up your drone skills or you'll be crippling your ship.
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I didnt know this. Could you expand on this point?
As you hit Lv2 and beyond missions,the npc ships gain a formidable tank that sometimes will outlast your damage per volley from your guns and they wont die. Drones are very beneficial of their extra dps to take out those pesky ones that your guns cant kill alone,but if your guns can take out the npcs drones can make the missions go alot faster.^^
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Gallente Mission Ship Path
Frigate:Incursus(L1's)->Destroyer:Catalyst(L1's,selective L2s)->Cruisers: Vexor & Thorax(L2s)->Battlecruiser: Bruitx or Myrmidon(L3's)->Battleship: Dominix or Megathron(L4s)
Vexor,Myrmidon,Dominix are drone orientated ships, meaning they have a large drone bay and you can stash quite a few of em.
Thorax,Brutix,Megathron are more gun focused, they have bonus to do extra damage from their guns and the like.
Theres no real substancial difference between the 2,just a matter of preference
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For missions on easy mode the best gallente line to train is:
Vexor
Myrmidon
Dominix (or Ishtar if you train for HACs instead of BS)
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Frigate -> Cruiser -> Battleship is the path i took, which meant Incursus, Vexor & Dominix
Since the addition of Bandwidth for drone control I feel the Myrmidon has been crippled by CCP, which is why I don't use it.
I see frequent comments & advices informing people not to use different or mixed calibre guns & in my opinion drones fall under the same advice rating
ie. use 5x lights (25mb), 5x medium (50mb) or 5x heavies (125mb)
75mb makes that impossible so if you do want to use Battlecruisers I would recommend the Brutix
Whichever ship path you choose, as a Gallente pilot you will get a LOT of ship choices that feature large bays and so drone skills should be seriously considered as a main DPS source.
Train Drones V
Scout Drone Op, Combat Drone Op, Drone Interfacing & Drone Durablity to a minimum of L3
Do NOT train Advanced Drone Interacing unless you are going to pilot a Carrier
Myrmidon is an upgrade over Vexor for PVE due to 75mb bandwidth allowing 2 heavies + 3 meds if memory recalls. [edit- oh snap I forget Vexor also gets 75 drone bandwidth]
The good news is if you ever plan to move out of highsec to 0.0 then Battlecruisers IV skill will allow ya to easily fit into a Harbinger. Since Amarr are armor tankers like Gallente, the training times isn't too bad and it makes sense for Amarr rats (sansha, bloods)
Even better, Battlecruiser is a prereq for Command Ships which will gives great bonuses and deal a frakload of DPS
Ultimately, Domi is much better ship than Myrm however. I eventually blew up my myrms for insurance and then just purchased spare Domis. Domi aligns much slower than myrm but this aint a big deal if you remain align to safe spot at all times anyway...
My bad.... I grew up in nullsec so I always do the missions (aka Exploration) etc out there every so often so i can buy new ships & implants. So dealing with hostiles not a concern for highsec players, sigh....
Just my opinion:
Flying a command ship for it's DPS is silly. Most, if not all, of the Tier 2 T1 Battlecruisers do just as much DPS as any command ship (properly fitted) for 1/7th the cost and are fully insurable. The only reason to fly a command ship in PVP is for the mindlinks. If you aren't going to use Mindlinks then just use your command ships for PVE because you're wasting isk taking a command ship without mind links into PVP. Seriously, just T2 fit a Tier 2 BC.
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I dont mean to semi-hijack the thread but I had almost the exact same question, so I thought it was better to ask here and it may help out the OP a little as well
Basically I'm in the same position. Have my mining up to where I want - and Im trying to upgrade my mission running/salvaging.
The only difference between me and the OP is I normally fly Amarr ships. So my question is the same but Im curious if I should be going Arb -> Harbinger -> Dom? Or if there's another choice that I should shoot for?
I'm pretty interested in Drones and their apparently very good for missions - Ive already started to train up my Drones to V but it seems like the amarr don't have many good drone vessels apart from the carrier that I saw - Dom seems to be a fantastic ship but still has a pretty high skill/time committment.
Whats a good option? Keeping in mind personally (and probably the OP as well) wants to have salvaging set up so we can make a little extra cash while running these
Maller -> Abaddon/Apocalypse. Focus skilling towards lasers if you already Amarr specced.
I didnt know this. Could you expand on this point?
One of the key issues with missions is range. Your in a ship that can take X amount of damage and give X amount of damage. If you have to get within 10k in a mission to fire, other ships will be able to swam you and force you to run. If you can stay at distance, you can aggro small pockets and take them down one at a time. Drones allow for this. Missiles also allow for this and this is why Caldari is often called the best mission running race. Tank the shields, stay at range, lob missiles.
Gallente are much more fun (IMHO), but for running missions it's hard to beat a good missile boat. Personally, I would use the Vexor then move over to the drake but thats just me. Other can hopefully add to this, but i wouldn't worry to much about frigs and destroyers because you really need to get out of them to make money, and you should really think about caldari for missions. It's hard to beat heavy missiles for mission running. But most important is having the ability to attack from range in missions, otherwise the rats will sooner or latter melt your ship.
Actually there are three ways to tackle missions....
1) Range
Typical setup is a decent, though not epic, tank and lob missiles or whatever from as far away as possible while you 'kite' the rats.... (fly away while killing them so they can't close). Newer mission runners tend to do this most often as it's the safest and easiest way to do missions. Almost all Caldari pilots use this method for most of their PVE careers.
2) Epic tank luls
Typical setup is to rat specific tank your ship and make it as 'hardened' as possible against any given mission you are going into (sites like eve survival guide help with this) and going in with whatever guns you normally fit then just tank the mission as you kill off dps and tackle. Once you have good tanking skills and adequate DPS this works very well in most missions and can be the fastest way to do them. Most Gallente pilots do a variation of this with dual repper fitted dominix ships and either sentry or heavy drones. I believe most amarr pilots use this method as well.
3) Speed tank
This is one that a lot of PVP'ers do and a lot of lowsec mission runners do as well.... Goal here is to AB fit a ship so that it goes faster than 500 or 600k/sec but has fast enough tracking speed (if it's not a missile boat) to still hit for solid dmg against the rats. A LOT of minmatar pilots do this. The objective is to kill off the webber/tackler rats first then get in close to the battleships and orbit them as you kill off the cruisers with drones/guns then kill the battleships. Battleship rats can't hit anything going over about 400m/s if you are orbiting them... anything over 600m/s they have a tough time hitting, even at range.
The reason this method is popular in lowsec is if you can get a cruiser (I love using the fleet issue stabber for this type of thing) to do 400-500ish DPS it can chew through missions quite quickly and due to it's agility and smaller sig radius (Since it's AB and not MWD fitted and is much smaller than a BS) can get through most lowsec gatecamps safely if you happen to have to jump 1 system over. At the very least you have a shot at running back to the gate if you run into a camp you don't think you can fly away from.
All 3 methods work fine... It's just a matter of personal preference.
Drone skills:
While some races (galente) use Drones more than others I always tell new players who ask me that it's a good idea to eventually train your drone skills. Even Caldari pilots have drones on MOST of their ships and being able to use them well can add a lot of free DPS to your ship (or utility if you use repper bots or ECM drones) It's always useful to be able to fly at least T2 light drones and T2 mediums aren't bad either. For battleship pilots who's battleships have room for 125mbits of drone bandwidth (pretty much anyone but caldari... go figure) it's not a bad idea to train up for sentries/t2 heavies.
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Just my opinion:
Flying a command ship for it's DPS is silly. Most, if not all, of the Tier 2 T1 Battlecruisers do just as much DPS as any command ship (properly fitted) for 1/7th the cost and are fully insurable. The only reason to fly a command ship in PVP is for the mindlinks. If you aren't going to use Mindlinks then just use your command ships for PVE because you're wasting isk taking a command ship without mind links into PVP. Seriously, just T2 fit a Tier 2 BC.
Of course our t2 BC pilots fly them for the bonuses like I clearly stated in my post.
Just my opinion:
Flying a command ship for it's DPS is silly. Most, if not all, of the Tier 2 T1 Battlecruisers do just as much DPS as any command ship (properly fitted) for 1/7th the cost and are fully insurable. The only reason to fly a command ship in PVP is for the mindlinks. If you aren't going to use Mindlinks then just use your command ships for PVE because you're wasting isk taking a command ship without mind links into PVP. Seriously, just T2 fit a Tier 2 BC.
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Astarte for Gallente does way more DPS then a Brutix. You obviously don't fly one do you?
Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level
Command Ships Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid turret falloff per level
Brutix ship bonuses:
Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness per level
Being a Gallente I know these numbers
Hehehe... Clearly the above poster knows allot more about this than I do but I will say this much. Nothing in the EVE universe beats a set of T2 light drones when a mission frig has a warp scram on you.
Maller -> Abaddon/Apocalypse. Focus skilling towards lasers if you already Amarr specced.
Thanks for your reply. Seems to make sense, I guess I was just intrigued by the Dom's Drone Carrier bay
I don't think the Amarr has a ship quite like this...
Im starting to focus on the harbinger for my personal mission runner ship - for higher lvl ones do you suggest an Abaddon? Im currently training into lasers/med turrets.
Appreciate the comments as always!
I see no reason flying BC on missions...BS is always better, even with medium guns fitted on.
BSes tend to move slower and align slower then BCs. Thus, BCs tend to be a bit more forgiving to new players and easier on the wallet when lost. Additionally, Med Hybrid turrets lead to t2 meds for Zealots which are very popular for gangs from what I can see in 0.0.
Of course my point about faster alignment is moot if the player remains aligned to safespots / stargates, etc so they can espcape mission if overwhelmed
another reason to not cross train right off da bat. If you already started doing Amarr missions then Im asusming you been fighting Amarr rats? I dont know. But from fighting amarr rats in 0.0 I know their resistances vary. A Harby or whatever amarr ship naturally comes with nice bonuses to resist their damage types. In addition, they are sensitive to the dmg you do.
I'm not sure I havent run a mission in like yrs.
I see no reason flying BC on missions...BS is always better, even with medium guns fitted on.
Oh really? thats good to know...
So basically stick with Harbingers and just keep those for my mission running? (Hopefully I got that right and didn't mix up the terms).
I plan to equip a salvager with mine so I can make some extra cash while doing the mission running - I've been told that's a decent source of income : )
BC = Battlecruiser
BS = battleship
Battleship is better than Battlecruiser. It is a waste of time to train up battlecruisers if you want to run missions.
Ask me Missions altogether are kind of a waste. I advise newbies to packup and move to nullsec. Beg for ISK if you have to. whatever it takes to get involved in the pvp. Sooner or Later you will get tired of missions and quit the game. This isn't WoW. The misisons dont get any better. From L1 -> L4 they are exact same with a lil different text and higher isk payouts
I'm telling you over 90% mission runner just AFKs those things anyway.... there is just no way they are having fun in those things. That is why Domi is so popular. You aggro the entire room, turn on dual rep tank, release the t2 heavies, and watch TV