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Done - I have a stuck a fork in it...no more F2P Asian made grinders.
Teala
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I have tried many F2P Asian games and I just finished with my last one - Neo Steam(which really isnt a Steampunk game). You have to grind and grind and grind to get anywhere in these games and then you have to put up with bots and all manner of BS. So I am done. No more Asian created grinders for me.
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Welcome to the light side of the force
Yes welcome back to the ligth
. and please share your insight with the RMT lovers so they understand what exacly they are suporting
Nothing is free - you'll pay, one way or the other. Be it a monthly fee, an item mall, or just huge amounts of grinding designed to encourage you into using the item mall.
I too never had a F2P game that held me longer than a month. The P2P mainstream games just seem to be better. F2P has a lot of eyecandy, but not too much after that
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
F2P Korean games are utter shite. I've tried about 16, ten of which I played long enough to write down my account name and password, and none of which I stuck with for longer than around a week.
Pretty graphics, mobs that show almost no AI whatsoever and abysmal quests. I've seen more depth in the dregs of a coffee cup.
Atlantica Online is the exception.
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Well, i went one step further recently. From now on I will not be playign any "auto target / WIN button" games. Enough is enough, i want to decide wether i miss or not.
Ive tried alot of f2p lineage look alikes and then i realized that if i didnt like lineage I prob wont like them....
Now im starting to think the same thing about games that are too much like wow.....
So basically im down to any fps mmo, and games that are really different like apb.
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Welcome back, we can’t have F2P stealing our babes!
I tried out one so I could get a better idea of how F2P/RMT’s worked and really disliked it. These are games without a soul, pretty graphics and no sense of community.
MMORPG’s are places where we indulge our fantasies, one of which is a society based on achievement and camaraderie. F2P/RMT’s are based on commercialism and exploitation.
I came to this same conclusion not too long ago. My last one I tried was Perfect World.. it was far from Perfect to tell the truth.
Fixed. I don't buy into this whole P2P is good and "Asian" F2P is bad bull.
Atlantica Online, Street Gears, Guild Wars. All decent F2P games I enjoyed.
What do the big US P2P companies do like SoE and Blizzard....introduce cash shops into their game.
"Want another gender?" 10$, "Want a potion?" 5$ "Want a server transfer?" 30$ "Want a new mount?" 10$
P2P aren't any better than F2P. P2P is arguably worse because now they introduce cash shops into P2P games. (WoW, EQ, etc)
Fixed. I don't but into this whole P2P is good and "Asian" F2P is bad bull.
Atlantica Online, Street Gears, Guild Wars. All decent F2P games I enjoyed.
What do the big US P2P companies do like SoE and Blizzard....introduce cash shops into their game.
"Want another gender?" 10$, "Want a potion?" 5$ "Want a server transfer?" 30$ "Want a new mount?" 10$
P2P aren't any better than F2P. P2P is arguably worse because now they introduce cash shops into P2P games. (WoW, EQ, etc)
The only things WoW charges for are Gender/Name Change and the Server Transfer. Neither of which are game breaking or required to do. Not sure about SoE (I've heard they're gettin bad though..) It makes sense on Blizzards part to charge though. Could you imagine handling thousands of free transfers every day? Blizzard made a good decision to keep server stability.
Also, the Cash Shops on most F2P games are much worse than this. I was playing Ether Saga Online and it was $20 for a mount. Seriously? It was $0.10 per "Global Channel" use. WTF? I'd rather stick with P2P, that doesn't hinge on you spending money for the game to be fun.
I play Guild wars, F2P, no shop. Atlantica Online, limited shop. Street Gears, only clothes and a santa outfit, Dragonica, no shop yet afaik..I can name 10 games like this which do not go beyond cosmetics.
WoW does go beyond cosmetics because you can change gender, buy mounts, change name. EQ also goes beyond gender because you can buy XP potions, armor. EQ2, same things. Lineage 2, has cash shop, gender change, cosmetic, items, namechange 30$.
http://www.livegamer.com/ Account trading services to buy and sell accounts...Let's see who's a member....Oh Funcom, Acclaim and SoE....what do you know..../surprise
It's ridiculous to point to F2P and QQ about F2P while P2P does the exact same thing and even charges a P2P monthly premium.
I play Guild wars, F2P, no shop. Atlantica Online, limited shop. Street Gears, only clothes and a santa outfit, Dragonica, no shop yet afaik..I can name 10 games like this which do not go beyond cosmetics.
WoW does go beyond cosmetics because you can change gender, buy mounts, change name. EQ also goes beyond gender because you can buy XP potions, armor. EQ2, same things. Lineage 2, has cash shop, gender change, cosmetic, items, namechange 30$.
http://www.livegamer.com/ Account trading services to buy and sell accounts...Let's see who's a member....Oh Funcom, Acclaim and SoE....what do you know..../surprise
It's ridiculous to point to F2P and QQ about F2P while P2P does the exact same thing and even charges a P2P monthly premium.
Waterlilly, I am not saying that a F2P game can't be good. They can be. Guild Wars is a fun game and I played it for about a year., however, it is an exception and it is totally free to play. Maybe because it was made by an US based game company and knew the gae market they were aiming for - NA. NCSoft was just the publisher. Most Asian made F2P games have item malls and the best gear comes from the malls. Guild Wars isn't like that.
What really turned me off from the F2P games was the lack of actual game. Take Ether Saga for instance. Did you know you can open your quest log, click on the name of the person the quest is about and your character will navigate the game world without you even controlling it and auto pilot you right to where you need to be? Did you also know that the MOB AI in a vast majority of those games are non-existent. They're just not fun games. No challenge to them at all.
Then there is the grind. As I said I have played many of those F2P games and I dunno what the designers are thinking but the grind(repetitious play) is beyond mind numbingly boring - it is masochistic every since of the word. Some may look decent...but they are just a facade to what they really are and they are not MMORPG's.
I play Guild wars, F2P, no shop. Atlantica Online, limited shop. Street Gears, only clothes and a santa outfit, Dragonica, no shop yet afaik..I can name 10 games like this which do not go beyond cosmetics.
WoW does go beyond cosmetics because you can change gender, buy mounts, change name. EQ also goes beyond gender because you can buy XP potions, armor. EQ2, same things. Lineage 2, has cash shop, gender change, cosmetic, items, namechange 30$.
http://www.livegamer.com/ Account trading services to buy and sell accounts...Let's see who's a member....Oh Funcom, Acclaim and SoE....what do you know..../surprise
It's ridiculous to point to F2P and QQ about F2P while P2P does the exact same thing and even charges a P2P monthly premium.
Guild wasrs is not an mmorpg, its a good game but not mmo, i need to try antlatica i hear allot about it but iv downloaded it twice and its always corrupted
iv seen a few people play Dragonica aswell so i might see that.
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I've been playing EQ2 lately, with very light F2P on the side(freerealms mining game for the timesink.)
Some F2P's can be good, but they're all classifiable like donuts: Great taste, less filling. Filling, but tasteless. OMG I have a toothache.(kellokitty and most kiddy style games fit the last one)
Depends on how ya look at the game.
Some minor nits.
I'm not sure it's fair to put GW together with the F2P games. You buy the GW games and explansions. It is true it is free to play and has no monthly sub. But it does have a cost, namely the game itself. As far as I know most F2P games are free to download and to play (and then comes the itemshop stuff).
To say GW has no shop is a truth with modifications. There is a shop where you can buy extra character slots, extra storage, skill packages, pets, make-overs and more. It's not a traditionel item-shop, but there is a shop (well, they have to earn cash somewhere, right?).
I personally see Guild wars in a place between the traditional sub-based mmog's and the traditional f2p mmog's.
Some minor nits.
I'm not sure it's fair to put GW together with the F2P games. You buy the GW games and explansions. It is true it is free to play and has no monthly sub. But it does have a cost, namely the game itself. As far as I know most F2P games are free to download and to play (and then comes the itemshop stuff).
To say GW has no shop is a truth with modifications. There is a shop where you can buy extra character slots, extra storage, skill packages, pets, make-overs and more. It's not a traditionel item-shop, but there is a shop (well, they have to earn cash somewhere, right?).
I personally see Guild wars in a place between the traditional sub-based mmog's and the traditional f2p mmog's.
In GW that shop is more of a service oriented nature and not items like most RMT based F2P games.
You know what really pisses me off about RMT? TCG in SWG...yeah I said it. Suck it Smed, fat bastard.
I know the feeling..There is NO reason in this century that they have to make a hard core grinding games..With over 100 GB for computers with over 1 Gb of ram..They can make allot better games..All it takes is a Imagination.People dont want the same ol point, click and repeats..
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
Take Ether Saga for instance. Did you know you can open your quest log, click on the name of the person the quest is about and your character will navigate the game world without you even controlling it and auto pilot you right to where you need to be?
Actually this is more for beginning once you get higher in level they stop doing this as often. Think of it more as a tutorial feature. I thought differently than you though my thought was how convenient for the casual crowd's. If I am a casual player that can only get 30 minutes of game time before the kids get home. How nice to not have to search for all 30 minutes for the guy to turn the quest into. Or the mob I need to kill.
The option to use the feature is not mandatory but convenient. If you wish for more challenge then don't use it and make the experience more challenging.
I actually found the game quite enjoyable, and it has kept my interest for quite a while now. Of course I mainly play when in between sessions of LOTR or WAR or the other 20 games I play.
But to counter the whole asian=bad is just plain wrong. I played AION beta the other day and that was a fun game. blanket statements are never a good thing to make because guaranteed you will either be proven wrong or offend someone.
And just to be clear there are more failed P2P games than F2P games even with all the F2P market saturation more of them find a sustainable user base then P2P do.
Gom276
Prolific MMO player
Just can't say no to any mmo
The only way to enjoy an Asian grinder, and the only reason to play one, is if you just get a kick out of combat and the game world on a basic level. A decent F2P like Neo Steam isn't really any more shallow or silly than older games we consider classics. Do Rolling Thunder, Castlevania IV, or Shadow of the Ninja really have much more to offer? Not really, but we enjoyed it for what it was. Now we expect more, especially from games in a genre known in the West for depth and variety.
I love RF Online and Rohan: Blood Feud because they're pretty & charming and the weapons flash around nice and make satisfying sounds. I don't play them to get treasure, build a character, crunch stats, or heaven forbid interact meaningfully with other players. I play them because sometimes just fighting monsters and robots for the hell of it is plenty for me.
Don't expect an F2P to substitute for a WoW or an EQ, but maybe also don't write them off as the fun diversions they can be if you're lucky enough to find one that isn't genuinely terrible. With that in mind Mabinogi, Zu, and Cronous are also pretty good. I hasten to add that Atlantica is NOT.
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Of course the OP was having a hard time playing the game. She was one of the peasants that played for "free". your job was to make the people spending money look cool.
If you want to enjoy a "F2P" game, it's simple. Spend some money at the cash shop.
P2P just makes it so much easier to be on equal terms. I'm level 15. I did the same quests and killed roughly the same amount of mobs as everyone level 15. If someone is level 50, then I will be level 50 when I do the same quests and kill roughly the same amount of mobs he did. Killing a mob or doing a quest doesn't get me any more or any less XP or loot than anybody else.
And if you don't want to be a peasant in a free game, that means your going to pay. And if you're going to pay, P2P games are much cheaper. 14.95 a month for unlimited game play is a bargain.
I play Guild wars, F2P, no shop. Atlantica Online, limited shop. Street Gears, only clothes and a santa outfit, Dragonica, no shop yet afaik..I can name 10 games like this which do not go beyond cosmetics.
WoW does go beyond cosmetics because you can change gender, buy mounts, change name. EQ also goes beyond gender because you can buy XP potions, armor. EQ2, same things. Lineage 2, has cash shop, gender change, cosmetic, items, namechange 30$.
http://www.livegamer.com/ Account trading services to buy and sell accounts...Let's see who's a member....Oh Funcom, Acclaim and SoE....what do you know..../surprise
It's ridiculous to point to F2P and QQ about F2P while P2P does the exact same thing and even charges a P2P monthly premium.
You are living in some sort of dream world arnt you? Newer F2p games have less stuff in the Cash shop but go back and play them after a year or so.... the item bank ceeps growing.
One more thing please go and sign up for Entropida Universe they need more people to spend a few thousand bucks to keep the servers up......
Nope. That's one of the games I tried and it lasted me about two evenings. Utter yawnfest.