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WindWeaver
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I know its early but lets think about this. I was chatting with some guys the other night and we were trying to figure out some kind of base line for the specs that a PC will need to play FFXIV. There were some interesting points raised and some questions we really couldn't find answers for. Such as what would the PS3s processor be rated compared to computers right now?
Anyway, lets discuss,
Stuff to lower specs.
1- Been in development for 5 years
2- Square will want to make the game available to as many people as possible
3- MMO specs even today aren't as impressive as FPS
4- Still possibly to be a 360 title
Stuff to raise specs
1- PS3 quality graphics
2- 2010 release
3- Vista / Windows 7
4 - Same game engine as FF XIII (last we heard, when it was still called rapture)
So with much agruement we came up with this,
Minimums:
Processor - Core 2 duo 2.2
Ram - 2 gb
HD - 12 gb
graphics - Nvidia 9000 series or higher
Please discuss, and I wonder if Square will consider Macs now that they're becoming more popular.
Comments
PS3 graphics are not even close to today's PC games. A PS3 graphics card is anout equal to an old Geforce 7800 GT, that is 3 generations ago for PC graphics cards. PS3 RAm is not even close to PCs of today that have 4 and even 8 GB of RAM. PC processors(CPU) are dual/quad core and even better now than the cell chip in the PS3.
I think this game was developed for PC and then ported to PS3, not the other way around.
I would say these will be the recommended specs.
Graphics: 7800 GT or above, maybe 8800 or above.
RAM: 2GB DDR2 or above
CPU: Dual Core 2 Ghz and above
Hard Drive: 12-15GB
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
What khameleon says is mostly right. It should take roughly a 7900 series nVidia card or 1900 series ATI to run the game well. Depending on which technology is used to render the game, those might not be sufficient.
As for the PS3 reference for PC specs; the RSX in the PS3 is not just a video card chucked in there. That card was specifically designed to work with the cell processor, it's own DDR3, and the XDR ram in the PS3. It's really hard to compare them to PC parts because it's just not apples to apples.
The PC specs are always going to be considerably higher than what people believe are equivalent to a console. After all, the PS3 Cell can do 1.8 TFLOPS. CPUs can't come close and no current single GPU does either (and that's 3 generations of GPUs after the PS3).
Anyways, my guess is DX10 usage. So MINIMUM might be something like:
ATI 2600XT or nVidia 8600GT
Dual Core Processor (It probably won't require more than an Athlon X2 or Pentium D, but more is better)
2GB system memory
15-25GB HDD space (FFXI already takes up 9gb with expansions)
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
hmmm... I was getting out of gaming but then I saw FFXIV and it reminded me of the good old FFXI days. But... I just went out and bought a Macbook. 2.4 processor 2 gig ram and 9400M... really wondering now if it'll run ok... already might be a bit slower becuase of windows on second side of the drive :P So.... how does the 9400M rate for gaming? Anyone tried it?
I don't know the specifics, but you all may want to research the PS3 and compare it to today's PCs. I could be wrong, but I swear I read an article stating the cell processor is so advanced right now, that it completely blows away any current PC processors out there. I'm sure there are some tech nuts who can verify this. Either way I'd like to know.
The PS3 is more on par with the typical pre-built made for WoW PCs at walmart! High End PCs are worlds better than what the PS3 can process!
As long as you have a dual core and a decent vid card (Nvidia 7900, ATI 1900) as a bare minimum you should be fine not sure if it will be a DX10 or not, probably not since it is cross platform.
any newer card would be icing on the cake, bang for your buck would probably be ATI 4850 for price, 4890 crossfire with watercooling for performance, sorry I don't trust Nvidia after 3 bricks...all different cards.
The best performance boost would be getting a couple SSD's and raiding them, since this game's instruction set and footprint will probably be quite heavy. That or get a system that can use a whole lot of Ram 8 gigs or more.
Edit the Cell processor is over 200 GFLOPS single precision, that isn't anything to laugh at since it is a CPU. Sure it's Double precision is crap but for things like video decoding, special effects. it is incredibly powerful for it's age.
Yeah, like I said, it's definitely not apples to apples comparison between PS3 and PC. That reminds me, I was laughing at some xbox vs ps3 comparisons the other day as they brought up memory bandwidth.
The "total system bandwidth" on the 360 (i think that's how they word it) is listed as over 280GB/s . The majority of that is the system's RAM <-> eDRAM bandwidth (256GB/s I think) The actual memory bandwidth between the GPU or CPU and RAM is more around 22GB/s. PS3 on the other hand has XDR RAM rated at about 25GB/s but the memory controller in the PS3 pushes the actual bandwidth to +60GB/s. The XDR also has far lower latency.
Point being that it's really had to compare any of the systems to each other or to PCs.
I agree that the whole 4800 series from ATI is an excellent set of GPUs. Rumor has it that ATI is releasing the 5000 series sometime this summer. Keep an eye out for that because the tech news websites are claiming almost double the processing power.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
It's more then then likely you'll start seeing the 5000 series, around Sept. And next month AMD is supposed to be dropping the price on the 4000 series by as much as 50 bucks. Hell you can get a 4850 now for $100... and that should be more then enough to play FFXIV. I agree about the specs being around Dual Core 2GHZ and higher ... 7800 etc.
Anyone who thinks that their dinky little pc cpu can compare to a PS3's cell processor needs to head back to ITT tech.
Your trippin bro they haven't made a pc yet that can hold a candle graphics processing wise to the PS3, check ur facts homey
Sorry, but I'm pretty sure the Core i7's are better than the PS3's cell processor. Besides, as long as your processor isn't bottlenecking your GPU, you're fine. CPU's aren't ALL that matters in video games, and the latest PC GPU's are much greater than the PS3's GPU. My current setup runs Crysis at Very High Flawlessly at 60+ fps. I don't think I'll need to change my setup at all for FFXIV.
For things that require single precision the PS3 pretty much beats any normal CPU, But the additional FP units in the PS3 cannot do double precision, so the PS3 double precision is like 15gflops, the I7 does 70 gflops Double presision.
Pleas don't spout crud you have no clue about, and BTW ITT is probably the worst tech school in the country.
Minimum I would imagine would be around this:
Pentium D or Dual Core AMD
1 Gb Ram XP ; 2 Gb Vista or Windows 7
6000 series card or x800 or above.
10+ Gb Harddrive but probably a good deal more.
Recommended:
Core2duo 2.0+ or AMD equivalent
2 Gb Ram XP; 4 Gb Vista or Windows 7
8800 Gt or 3870.
I think there will be a pretty big disparity between settings so that they can attract as many Pc gamers as possible at the same token I think this game will be really up there with MMO graphic fidelity and considering it comes out a bit down the road a 4000 series or a 260+ might be required to get everything on max. I was able to play AoC on max and get good frame rate and this I think will be in the ballpark of that. I'll definitely be getting a new gpu by than and upgrading my 4870 so no worries here
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You guys can argue for days about comparing PS3 specs to PC specs. You won't get anywhere.
There is a main difference - OS.
It doesn't matter what OS you use, all of them eat up a crap ton of resources. The PS3 gets away with a lot less ram because of this.
Look at how well the PS3 plays games like assassin's creed. Now get a computer of the exact same specs as the PS3. I highly doubt you could hit 10 fps.
I'm not sure about minimum specs, but I totally agree with your comment especially on hard drives and RAID.
While it's true the OS does indeed eat up a fair amount of resources ther is still going to be way more memory available in a well equipped PC, it's not even close. The thing that gives consoles the edge is that you only have one spec to design for so you can tailor the game and code to the specific platform. Assasins creed on my PC looks better with textures and such, runs at double the resolution, 8x AA which the PS3 does not apply and usually hovers around 60fps which is double that of the PS3 or 360. The OS isn't that much of a burden and the main resource it is going to eat up it ram, which is so cheap (unless very high performance DDR 3), it's almost a moot point as I see no reason why everyone shouldn't have four gigs which on my system I have over 3 gigs free after vista caches commonly used programs and all that. The only reason the PC version wouldn't look better than the PS3 version is if they didn't want to include higher res texture and the like. We're still going to be playing it at a higher resolution, AA and higher FPS than our console counterparts. It's not really a big deal as the game will look good and hopefully play very good on either platform, but the PC will edge out the PS3.