It's true. So many sick things are being done that are sanctioned by courts and so forth in Iraq. The most gruesome are the torture and sick executions of homosexuals. They get their anus glued up which results to death. Death squads that are operating legally murdering and capturing citizens who havent done anything wrong other than their beliefs and sexuality. Go USA! New Saddam Government in place!
And the price? Thousand of young American lives wasted and hundred of thousand Iraqi civilians. GG .
Yep...it was an unjust war and we sent people over there for what? Makes me sick that Bush was able to get away with it. All we did was just take out one bad guy to let a hundred little bad guys loose. I love my country, but my god our government really needs a good house cleaning.
I know millions kurds would vehemently disagree with you, as would the vast majority of the Shite.
That doesn't matter. Good 'ol G.W. made the excuse that "Iraq had WMD's" to the American people and the world just to justify this war. Yet, after we sweep aside their meager forces, all we found was highly degraded mustard gas that was thought to be made during the Kuait War. Yep... hoarding WMD's they were... /sarcasm. And, before you reiterate the BS about "freeing the Iraq people"... thats a very bad and flawed excuse concocted by the Bush administration and Conservatives to attempt to justify this unjust and criminal war after it was discovered they lied the first time with trying to pin amassing WMD's on Iraq.
I don't really care what the Kurds and Shites think or want. As far as I know, they never asked for our help one bit. Therefore, if you are attempting to try and justify the utterly unjust war of Iraq based on us attempting to free them from their dictator... who gave us the right to do that? Oh, and before you say it, Might does not make Right. Yeah, there was no justification for this war at all except for Good 'ol G.W. to show that he could do what his pops couldn't... take out Sadam Husein. Oh, and for the greed of oil.
George W. Bush and his entire cabinet and the CIA leaders during that administration should be charged for Crimes Against Humanity and imprisioned for the rest of their lives. His greed and lies have cost tens of thousands of individuals their lives and billions of US dollars in expenses that could've been used to help the US rather than hurt Humanity.
Not really sure where to start, since you never really have any cogent points in that entire incomprehensible screed. Bush never said they had WMDs, he said they believe they have WMDs and that they know Suddam was trying to obtain them. This was all true and verified.
While it's probably much easier just to be an ignorant lefty accusation tosser <banable offense> than actually find out all the dirty details about things, I would encourage you to go read the join senate/house resolution, as in it THEY were the ones that claimed all these same exact things. So why aren't you clamoring for the Senate and House to all be "imprisoned for the rest of their lives"?
After all, the Congress is the only one that can authorize the use of our armed forces. The BUCK STOPPED AT THEIR DOORSTEP, not W. Bush's and not at the CIA.
I
Typical conservative response: To deny the facts and throw personal insults as a rebuttal. So typical.
Oh... I'm sorry... "supposed" WMD's. There were no other reasons given besides Iraq "supposedly" had WMD's. Which, since it wasn't known for sure, gives even more reason why we shouldn't have invaded in the first place. But we did, because good 'ol G.W. used fear-mongering tactics, as a lot of the Neo-cons seem to do, to get Congress behind this useless and costly war. Which is the exact reason I didn't state that Congress should be "imprisioned for the rest of their lives," (well, at least not for this) because it was due to the fear mongering posed by Bush's CIA.
Oh... and here's proof that they found absolutely nothing of WMD's that the CIA claimed were "supposedly" there.
"From an update to the Comprehensive Report of the Special Adviser to the DCI on Iraq's WMD, "As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible. After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted.
'As far as the WMD investigation is concerned, there is no further purpose in holding many of these detainees. These individuals have shown no reluctance to engage in further discussions should the need for questioning arise about past WMD programs.'"
The official link to the story ( www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/ ), which was included in the wikinews link I provided, lead to a page stating "Error Code: 301 - Moved Permanently" with no link to see it. Of course, the modified date listed is "Last Updated: Oct 09, 2007 08:13 AM" which was during the Bush era. Hmm... I wonder why it was moved......
Oh, and I just have one last point to make. If you aren't going to remain civil and follow the rules set by these forums, then you better just keep your opinion to yourself. Nowhere did I insult you in this post nor my previous post. Yet, you took it upon yourself to insult me. Again, typical Conservative stance... deny the facts and insult the poster. On that note, I hope you enjoy your ban for flaming.
And if we sat around while Sadam rebuilt his army to full strength and watched as invaded someone again, I wonder who would've been on the front lines bitching and moaning how we had our chance in 2002 to go in and take care of a dictator with little resistance. Imagine a dirty bomb went off and it was traced back to Iraq? Who would've been blamed? It would've been us for doing nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Compared to other wars, the death toll overall has been minor and if a democratic govt does take root, I guess it would'nt have been such a bad idea afterall. But all the credit will go to Obama I'm sure.
Oh, you must mean all those Shiite Iranians that Saddam gassed with our blessing during the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s. Or those Kurds that our allies the Turks have suppressed and killed. American altruism.
Are you arguing that we did condemn the use of mustard gas on Iranian troops during the Iraq-Iran War?
Or are you arguing that we have a history of condemning the suppression and killing of Kurds by the Turks?
I'd post fancy video clips from the Iranian troops that were gassed, or from the Kurds that were killed by Turks, about what they think of the US, if only they were still alive to talk.
Oh noez!!?! American didn't save everyone and everything so it's all worthless and pointless to do anything good, especially if instead we can attack Bush!!!! uhh der, der, der.
Are you saying we should rule the world?
You could try answering my question....did the United States condone or condemn the use of mustard gas on Iranian soldiers during the Iraq-Iran war?
Does the United States condone or condemn the suppression and killing of Kurds by Turkey?
You can also show me exactly where in my post I mention Bush by name, let alone attack him?
You response shows a lack of maturity. It also shows a lack of education if you believe Bush was President during the Iraq-Iran War.
You could try answering my question....did the United States condone or condemn the use of mustard gas on Iranian soldiers during the Iraq-Iran war?
I'd say we condoned it at the time.
After all, it was President Reagan who removed Iraq from the official terrorism sponsor's list allowing them to get chemical precursors from U.S. companies and... voila! Thousands of dead Kurds. Halabja Poison Gas attack on Kurds
The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list State Sponsors of Terrorism.
Leaked portions of Iraq's "Full, Final and Complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs shows that thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, was among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from US companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips.
Both companies have since undergone reorganization and Phillips, once a subsidiary of Phillips Petroleum and now part of ConocoPhillips, an American oil and energy company while Alcolac International has since dissolved and reformed as Alcolac Inc.[18]
On 12 March 2008, the democratic government of Iraq announced plans to take legal action against the suppliers of chemicals used in the poison gas attack.[19]
Plans to sue American companies from those gas attacks were announced last year by Iraq?? Whoopsies! Didn't see that on Fox News.
I don't really care what the Kurds and Shites think or want. As far as I know, they never asked for our help one bit. You might want to check this fact. They begged us...begged after the Gulf War for us to come in and take care of Saddam. America balked at it. The US government told the people to Iraq to rise up and we would support them. Only the government did not tell them it was moral support only. Thousands of people were killed by Saddam to quell the unrest by The American government being afraid as usual in the current age to finish what they started if there is no money in it. Therefore, if you are attempting to try and justify the utterly unjust war of Iraq based on us attempting to free them from their dictator... who gave us the right to do that? The right comes from the fact that America made Saddaam. Paid for with US cash and Russian weapons. The western world made him to combat Iran. He is the Western worlds problem. The morality of it is that your tax dollars killed thousands of people and as typical of Americans you can just walk way as long as it is some skinny starving guy in a third world country and not some rich guy in a suit dying. Oh, and before you say it, Might does not make Right. Yeah, there was no justification for this war at all except for Good 'ol G.W. to show that he could do what his pops couldn't... take out Sadam Husein. Oh, and for the greed of oil. Greed is the only thing to make America to do what is right. George W. Bush and his entire cabinet and the CIA leaders during that administration should be charged for Crimes Against Humanity and imprisioned for the rest of their lives. His greed and lies have cost tens of thousands of individuals their lives and billions of US dollars in expenses that could've been used to help the US rather than hurt Humanity. All Americans should be thrown in jail for creating messes around the world and instead of standing up and doing what needs to be done they cower behind the Hippie philosophies of the 60's and 70's. It is the lack of backbone in the world by the States with the power that is disgusting. Everything good and right in this world is paid for with the blood of heros. The western world thinks sending a few dollars over seas is enough. Well it is not. There is no peace so long as one dictator exists. America was found in blood twice. Europe's current peace was bought in blood. Blood is the currency of the world not pathetic dollars for charities.
Plans to sue American companies from those gas attacks were announced last year by Iraq?? Whoopsies! Didn't see that on Fox News.
Actually it was. They did a big thing on the international lawsuit last year when it was announced. But let the irrational hate of Fox News continue. The more hate the more people tune in and the better the rating get.
I don't think that getting an "anus glued up" is a part of the Iraqi justice system nor do I believe it is santioned by the Iraqi government or the Iraqi people.
It is possible that it has been used by criminals working as law enforcement or correctional officers. Did you know that it's possible for an individual person in a position of authority to commit an act that oversteps their mandate without their actions reflecting those of the system they are a part of? Think about it - just because a police officer commits a criminal act while in uniform doesn't mean that the government sanctioned that police officer's criminal act.
I am sure that Iraq is subject to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
If this is true, then I don't see what everyone would be so upset about. After all, it's just a bunch of gay people. Nobody cares much what happens to them even in this country. And besides that, Islam is a peaceful religion that wants nothing more than to bring order and tranquility to its people (including its women).
So no worries, guys. They're mearly cleansing the world of their own "gay agenda". I'm sure they're having to put up with the same organized scourge we are over here. Blasted abominations!
============================= It all seems so stupid It makes me want to give up But why should I give up When it all seems so stupid
If this is true, then I don't see what everyone would be so upset about. After all, it's just a bunch of gay people. Nobody cares much what happens to them even in this country. And besides that, Islam is a peaceful religion that wants nothing more than to bring order and tranquility to its people (including its women). So no worries, guys. They're mearly cleansing the world of their own "gay agenda". I'm sure they're having to put up with the same organized scourge we are over here. Blasted abominations!
I was thinking the same thing.
I really doubt that any Republican who was for this war would cheer and hoorah if anyone were to say we went over there to protect the gay people. Yet, looking at Islamic law and what they do to the gays in that country makes me sick to my stomach.
But you're right. Really none of them would care over here what happens to them. Even as they say we were there on a peace mission. They can't even protect the rights of gays in our own country where our Constitution spells out our past civil rights progress. They must wish to their God that there were some way we could institute the same punishments in this country. Then we could force people into not making that "gay choice" that so many make. And have a country free of gays like Iran is.
It's true. So many sick things are being done that are sanctioned by courts and so forth in Iraq. The most gruesome are the torture and sick executions of homosexuals. They get their anus glued up which results to death. Death squads that are operating legally murdering and capturing citizens who havent done anything wrong other than their beliefs and sexuality. Go USA! New Saddam Government in place!
And the price? Thousand of young American lives wasted and hundred of thousand Iraqi civilians. GG .
I think we can all agree it sucks to be in a country ruled by people that follow radical Islam.
You're rigth IIRL, radical Islam does need to be wiped out, but it probably won't happen in this generation or the next.
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Yep...it was an unjust war and we sent people over there for what? Makes me sick that Bush was able to get away with it. All we did was just take out one bad guy to let a hundred little bad guys loose. I love my country, but my god our government really needs a good house cleaning.
I know millions kurds would vehemently disagree with you, as would the vast majority of the Shite.
That doesn't matter. Good 'ol G.W. made the excuse that "Iraq had WMD's" to the American people and the world just to justify this war. Yet, after we sweep aside their meager forces, all we found was highly degraded mustard gas that was thought to be made during the Kuait War. Yep... hoarding WMD's they were... /sarcasm. And, before you reiterate the BS about "freeing the Iraq people"... thats a very bad and flawed excuse concocted by the Bush administration and Conservatives to attempt to justify this unjust and criminal war after it was discovered they lied the first time with trying to pin amassing WMD's on Iraq.
I don't really care what the Kurds and Shites think or want. As far as I know, they never asked for our help one bit. Therefore, if you are attempting to try and justify the utterly unjust war of Iraq based on us attempting to free them from their dictator... who gave us the right to do that? Oh, and before you say it, Might does not make Right. Yeah, there was no justification for this war at all except for Good 'ol G.W. to show that he could do what his pops couldn't... take out Sadam Husein. Oh, and for the greed of oil.
George W. Bush and his entire cabinet and the CIA leaders during that administration should be charged for Crimes Against Humanity and imprisioned for the rest of their lives. His greed and lies have cost tens of thousands of individuals their lives and billions of US dollars in expenses that could've been used to help the US rather than hurt Humanity.
Not really sure where to start, since you never really have any cogent points in that entire incomprehensible screed. Bush never said they had WMDs, he said they believe they have WMDs and that they know Suddam was trying to obtain them. This was all true and verified.
While it's probably much easier just to be an ignorant lefty accusation tosser <banable offense> than actually find out all the dirty details about things, I would encourage you to go read the join senate/house resolution, as in it THEY were the ones that claimed all these same exact things. So why aren't you clamoring for the Senate and House to all be "imprisoned for the rest of their lives"?
After all, the Congress is the only one that can authorize the use of our armed forces. The BUCK STOPPED AT THEIR DOORSTEP, not W. Bush's and not at the CIA.
I
Typical conservative response: To deny the facts and throw personal insults as a rebuttal. So typical.
Oh... I'm sorry... "supposed" WMD's. There were no other reasons given besides Iraq "supposedly" had WMD's. Which, since it wasn't known for sure, gives even more reason why we shouldn't have invaded in the first place. But we did, because good 'ol G.W. used fear-mongering tactics, as a lot of the Neo-cons seem to do, to get Congress behind this useless and costly war. Which is the exact reason I didn't state that Congress should be "imprisioned for the rest of their lives," (well, at least not for this) because it was due to the fear mongering posed by Bush's CIA.
Oh... and here's proof that they found absolutely nothing of WMD's that the CIA claimed were "supposedly" there.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/
and, en.wikinews.org/wiki/CIA_gives_up_search_and_interrogation_on_Iraq_WMDs to backup the said report.
"From an update to the Comprehensive Report of the Special Adviser to the DCI on Iraq's WMD, "As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible. After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted.
'As far as the WMD investigation is concerned, there is no further purpose in holding many of these detainees. These individuals have shown no reluctance to engage in further discussions should the need for questioning arise about past WMD programs.'"
The official link to the story ( www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/ ), which was included in the wikinews link I provided, lead to a page stating "Error Code: 301 - Moved Permanently" with no link to see it. Of course, the modified date listed is "Last Updated: Oct 09, 2007 08:13 AM" which was during the Bush era. Hmm... I wonder why it was moved......
Oh, and I just have one last point to make. If you aren't going to remain civil and follow the rules set by these forums, then you better just keep your opinion to yourself. Nowhere did I insult you in this post nor my previous post. Yet, you took it upon yourself to insult me. Again, typical Conservative stance... deny the facts and insult the poster. On that note, I hope you enjoy your ban for flaming.
And if we sat around while Sadam rebuilt his army to full strength and watched as invaded someone again, I wonder who would've been on the front lines bitching and moaning how we had our chance in 2002 to go in and take care of a dictator with little resistance. Imagine a dirty bomb went off and it was traced back to Iraq? Who would've been blamed? It would've been us for doing nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Compared to other wars, the death toll overall has been minor and if a democratic govt does take root, I guess it would'nt have been such a bad idea afterall. But all the credit will go to Obama I'm sure.
www.youtube.com/watch
Are you arguing that we did condemn the use of mustard gas on Iranian troops during the Iraq-Iran War?
Or are you arguing that we have a history of condemning the suppression and killing of Kurds by the Turks?
I'd post fancy video clips from the Iranian troops that were gassed, or from the Kurds that were killed by Turks, about what they think of the US, if only they were still alive to talk.
Oh noez!!?! American didn't save everyone and everything so it's all worthless and pointless to do anything good, especially if instead we can attack Bush!!!! uhh der, der, der.
Are you saying we should rule the world?
You could try answering my question....did the United States condone or condemn the use of mustard gas on Iranian soldiers during the Iraq-Iran war?
Does the United States condone or condemn the suppression and killing of Kurds by Turkey?
You can also show me exactly where in my post I mention Bush by name, let alone attack him?
You response shows a lack of maturity. It also shows a lack of education if you believe Bush was President during the Iraq-Iran War.
After all, it was President Reagan who removed Iraq from the official terrorism sponsor's list allowing them to get chemical precursors from U.S. companies and... voila! Thousands of dead Kurds. Halabja Poison Gas attack on Kurds
Plans to sue American companies from those gas attacks were announced last year by Iraq?? Whoopsies! Didn't see that on Fox News.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Actually it was. They did a big thing on the international lawsuit last year when it was announced. But let the irrational hate of Fox News continue. The more hate the more people tune in and the better the rating get.
I don't think that getting an "anus glued up" is a part of the Iraqi justice system nor do I believe it is santioned by the Iraqi government or the Iraqi people.
It is possible that it has been used by criminals working as law enforcement or correctional officers. Did you know that it's possible for an individual person in a position of authority to commit an act that oversteps their mandate without their actions reflecting those of the system they are a part of? Think about it - just because a police officer commits a criminal act while in uniform doesn't mean that the government sanctioned that police officer's criminal act.
I am sure that Iraq is subject to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Oh, you must mean all those Shiite Iranians that Saddam gassed with our blessing during the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s.
Or those Kurds that our allies the Turks have suppressed and killed.
American altruism.
Are the Turks still your allies then, after you betrayed them for the Kurds?
I can't imagine that NATO's largest contributing force has even bothered to show up and help you out in Afghanistan after that.
Oh, you must mean all those Shiite Iranians that Saddam gassed with our blessing during the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s.
Or those Kurds that our allies the Turks have suppressed and killed.
American altruism.
Are the Turks still your allies then, after you betrayed them for the Kurds?
I can't imagine that NATO's largest contributing force has even bothered to show up and help you out in Afghanistan after that.
(said with self-righteous, morale, indignation):
"Are you impuning, good sir, that the United States would EVER turn on one of our friends......
Why, you Brits seem to lack America's sense of altruism."
<grin>
I'm suggesting you swapped a great America worshipping ally for a load of useless terrorists.
Really now, what ever makes you think we could be so stupid?
<grin>
Don't answer that, or we'll both be getting warnings for trolling.....
If this is true, then I don't see what everyone would be so upset about. After all, it's just a bunch of gay people. Nobody cares much what happens to them even in this country. And besides that, Islam is a peaceful religion that wants nothing more than to bring order and tranquility to its people (including its women).
So no worries, guys. They're mearly cleansing the world of their own "gay agenda". I'm sure they're having to put up with the same organized scourge we are over here. Blasted abominations!
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
I was thinking the same thing.
I really doubt that any Republican who was for this war would cheer and hoorah if anyone were to say we went over there to protect the gay people. Yet, looking at Islamic law and what they do to the gays in that country makes me sick to my stomach.
But you're right. Really none of them would care over here what happens to them. Even as they say we were there on a peace mission. They can't even protect the rights of gays in our own country where our Constitution spells out our past civil rights progress. They must wish to their God that there were some way we could institute the same punishments in this country. Then we could force people into not making that "gay choice" that so many make. And have a country free of gays like Iran is.
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I think we can all agree it sucks to be in a country ruled by people that follow radical Islam.
You're rigth IIRL, radical Islam does need to be wiped out, but it probably won't happen in this generation or the next.
Cool!
An Islamic holocaust.
That won't unite the world against us and reserve our place as the most evil society in the history of man.