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Trusting Republicans Again
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Sounds like an oxymoron.
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues
One request from you guys, please stay on topic and please provide links backing up anything you try to pass as facts.
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I will never (ever) trust Republicans again, and I feel naive for "trusting" them to begin with it. It is naive to trust any political party, however, but the Republican party is guilty of far worse crimes and sins than the Democratic party.
The party is composed of people who do not want to pay taxes; people who think they will "get rich" by being a big R Republican; religious people who take-away others' rights; and others.
It is a frightening club responsible for
The cat is out of the hat for this party. At least, I think so, although I know people will be naive enough to once again vote Republican because they will want to be for "traditional values" or "national security" or something else. IT WAS REAGAN WHO LEGALIZED ILLEGALS.
It is just absurd. I feel sorry for Republicans. I pity them. Talk about being uninformed about YOUR own party.
EDIT
I PREDICT a decade of fixing Republican economic, social, foreign, military, and tax policies.
Yes. A decade.
And once WE balance the budget, like Clinton did, Bush will get the credit.
And the Democrat, like Clinton, will be slandered, libeled, and hated . . . for shoring-up the government's accounts.
This is not fiction.
Wait about 8 years - maybe less.
Republicans dont want tax increases, but do pay taxes ,as indiferrence to 7 of Obamas cabinet members who dont mind mind higher taxes as they just decided they wouldnt pay them anyways .You dont live in the US anyways so what is your MO?
Scott Rasmussen went to a Methodist college. Then to a Baptist college.
He received 95K from the RNC and and 45.5K from Bush Jr. as consultant for Bush's campaign.
The fact that his polls show Republicans in a positive light isn't surprising to me. It's like letting Keith Olbermann do polls for Obama's approval rating.
Those are all good points, but how is the current party any different?
We are still at war and sending even more troops.
We have been launching even more attacks within Pakistan borders, which has been unwelcomed by the government.
Do I really need to compare spending?
Don't misunderstand anything that I'm saying as defending the Republicans, because I'm not. The whole thing is a scam. Both parties are the same.
How can anyone trust either party at this point? They both make promises to voters and as soon as they take office, nothing is heard about these promises again.
I just see this article as more words from one of the two faction party to get re-elected. Then back to business as usual.
You know what is sad? The truth is so much more remarkable. The pleasure of physics, math, and science is that it reveals what the truth is plainly and neatly. It is amazing.
When you deal with political-party Republicans, however, you really need to be on guard. It will talk about "traditional values" one day and why you should be scared shitless the next.
No one can eat this . . . candy anymore. It is stale. Worse, it is bad for your health -quite literally.
Scott Rasmussen went to a Methodist college. Then to a Baptist college.
He received 95K from the RNC and and 45.5K from Bush Jr. as consultant for Bush's campaign.
The fact that his polls show Republicans in a positive light isn't surprising to me. It's like letting Keith Olbermann do polls for Obama's approval rating.
The article mentioned previous polls that showed democrats leading in alot of those categories. All you have to do is read it.
Personally I don't put much into polls either way. A poll result isn't going to change my opinion. And just by looking at an election map you can see how easy it is for a pollster to troll for a certain response.
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OK, before I get into this response, just know that I agree with you on everything that you said. I just have questions.
VP Dick, stated that "we needed a Pearl Harbor type event" to get the military industrial complex moving. Then 9/11 happened. There are people that believe goat farmers from a desert armed with boxcutters did it. Some people question what happened on 9/11 and who was behind it. Some people just rather not know if there is a possiblity that our own government would do such a thing. But if you believe that our government is under the control of world banks and corporations, then this doesn't sound too far fetched.
War was never declared. A 1200+ page Bill that took away our freedoms was somehow written and passed within 12 (?) days. The first tape of bin Laden wasn't really bin Laden. Ok, so who made the tape? etc etc. this can go on for pages, so is bin Laden even alive? Anyone could make a voice recording and tell the public it's bin Laden. Nobody would ever know. Why hasn't he been charged with the 9/11 attacks?
So was this all about oil pipelines and big business just like in Iraq?
But to keep it simple and not question anything, yes, the focus should have been in Afghanistan.
Isn't it amazing how we attack weak poor countries but never the ones with an army like Iran and North Korea? What happened to all the tough-guy talk about terrorist when it came around to these countries? You know?
The economy is in the shape it is from a domino effect caused by morgage lending to poor people that had no business owning a home in the first place. Banks were forced to lend money to millions. I don't think Bush's taxcuts have to do with anything besides being a crook like the rest of D.C., he is a shitbird giving out money to his big business friends, but not the cause for the morgage bubble. He should be in prison imo. Oh, with everyone else involved as well.
Your last two answers are probably the most important issue that this country faces and nobody even knows. You are right on about everything. In fact, I wanted to start a thread about a 3rd party, perhaps I will. This is something that needs to be brought up on a national scale.
Nice answers man.
I will agree with you that it is difficult to trust any party, and will take it one step further. It is extremely difficult to trust anyone in our government. Instead of trying to blame the latest fiasco on a particular party, look at the system that they operate in.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Overthrow the government at the ballot box next election. But someone needs to remind 100 million sheep to do the same. lol
OK, before I get into this response, just know that I agree with you on everything that you said. I just have questions.
VP Dick, stated that "we needed a Pearl Harbor type event" to get the military industrial complex moving. Then 9/11 happened. There are people that believe goat farmers from a desert armed with boxcutters did it. Some people question what happened on 9/11 and who was behind it. Some people just rather not know if there is a possiblity that our own government would do such a thing. But if you believe that our government is under the control of world banks and corporations, then this doesn't sound too far fetched.
War was never declared. A 1200+ page Bill that took away our freedoms was somehow written and passed within 12 (?) days. The first tape of bin Laden wasn't really bin Laden. Ok, so who made the tape? etc etc. this can go on for pages, so is bin Laden even alive? Anyone could make a voice recording and tell the public it's bin Laden. Nobody would ever know. Why hasn't he been charged with the 9/11 attacks?
So was this all about oil pipelines and big business just like in Iraq?
But to keep it simple and not question anything, yes, the focus should have been in Afghanistan.
Isn't it amazing how we attack weak poor countries but never the ones with an army like Iran and North Korea? What happened to all the tough-guy talk about terrorist when it came around to these countries? You know?
The economy is in the shape it is from a domino effect caused by morgage lending to poor people that had no business owning a home in the first place. Banks were forced to lend money to millions. I don't think Bush's taxcuts have to do with anything besides being a crook like the rest of D.C., he is a shitbird giving out money to his big business friends, but not the cause for the morgage bubble. He should be in prison imo. Oh, with everyone else involved as well.
Your last two answers are probably the most important issue that this country faces and nobody even knows. You are right on about everything. In fact, I wanted to start a thread about a 3rd party, perhaps I will. This is something that needs to be brought up on a national scale.
Nice answers man.
Well, I don't give Bush all the blame for the mortgage bubble. It was overall the Banks' faults for engaging in risky loans by not telling consumers, that couldn't afford the debt, "No." Thus, it was a lot on them. However, Congress stood by and did nothing. They could've introduced laws to reduce if not remove this bubble by regulating the mortgage industry. Especially regulations to prevent banks from selling their risky assets (debt of others) to other banks... thus preventing the debt tree that collapsed and slammed into our economy. Conservatives continually say, "It's the fault of the people... they should know not to live beyond their means." I totally believe that even though that is correct, it is still the job of the bankers to tell a peerson "No" when they realize that person can't afford the loan payments in the first place. Just like a parent telling their child "no" to something that is bad for the child.
However, despite placing the majority of the blame of the mortgage bubble pop on the Bankers and Congress, I still have a small bit of blame on Bush. If he was a president who actually knew what he was doing with the economy, he would've recommended regulation of the mortgage industry to Congress through the introduction of a bill. Course, he stood back, especially the last 4 years, and did nothing but try and salvage his reputation by spinning his image and marvelling at his two wars while printing money by the truckloads and watching the sliding of the economy to the brink... especially the mortgage bubble. I will always remember him as the worst president experienced in my life time. Well, unless someone else comes along and f*cks up worse than good 'ol G.W........ and that would be a true feat indeed.
I totally believe their should be more than just two parties. Our 2 party system has failed us numerous times (especially in the past few elections) by not providing actual, clear choices. It's pretty much been, "Who's the lesser of two evils?" At least one other party would add a new dimension and would add actual, clear choice to the presidential elections. More than three would further add choice as well. Of course, I'm not delusional enough to think that the Rep & Dems would easily give up the mass amounts of power *cough* corruption *cough* they have amassed over the history of the US being only a 2-party system. It would take either a Congressional bill to allow other parties into the mix (infitesimal small chance) or the act of the people voting in an independent president (slightly better chance... but still VERY, very, very small chance). Of course, to get an independent president voted in would require all of the people, who are truly unhappy with either of the two evils (Rep/Dem) to all vote for the same independent candidate (either through write-in or voting for said candidate's name if the state allowed that candidate's name on the ballot), and hope that it is enough to get enough electoral college votes to vote in that independent candidate. Again, that is a VERY, very, very small chance of that happenening. Of course, this is all just my guesstimation based on what I've seen of the corruption in politics and the intelligence that I possess.
If you want facts in replys how about leaving out the jabs?
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
It's kind of hard for me to trust a political party that rallies its troops using people like me as a pawn. I can't believe in an "American" political party hell bent on taking away what's promised in the Constitution and Bill of Rights from a minority group just to win points for their party. That is un-American by definition. And as such they should be pushed aside as non-patriots.
And no, I am not a Democrat either. So don't come attack me as one. They're just as bad.
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The moment you start trusting any political party, you've just failed yourself.
Politics are lies. Pure and simple. Some are semi truths, but for the most part even a semi truth is a lie.
To trust people whoms sole goal is to stay in power is one of the most stupid things you can do.
Both sides are highly corrupt, and both sides lead a packs of zealots.
I can't provide any links or special arguement case points, I can however provide you with this.
Look at our system.
Look at our media.
Look at how our government operates as a whole with these two parties in chief power.
Look at how these two parties manipulate people into senseless debates while the entire system collapses underneath the fatasses of our government.
It's like a easychair for toddlers, except the todder happens to be 200 pounds.
See>Family guy, Stewie gets fat.
That's the two party governement for you.
Trust, heh.
I'll trust both of em more when they allow thought to be spread from just two parties, until then they are a danger to growth and an obstacle of the people more than not.
If you want facts in replys how about leaving out the jabs?
You're right. But don't you think "trust" and "politicians" is kinda funny?
All I hear about is how (a) I need to invade a country to be "safe" and how (b) if I withdraw I will not be "safe." It is similar to non-economists discussing economic policies.
Translation:
A 3-party system will not work. YOU --YES, YOU-- will claim to be an "independent" and "reformist" YOUR entire life, except for the moment YOU vote. I do not understand YOU. Yes, YOU. I know. I know. But YOU really "think" like an "independent," but you do not act/vote like it. (rolls eyes). It is beyond silly.
In order for 3-party system to compete with the other two parties, they will need funding. To obtain that funding, they will need money from a variety of sources. It will be --shock! gasp! awe! GOODNESS!-- the same source as the other two. It will not be much different. Join the system. Fight for the system. Change from within.
All I hear about is how (a) I need to invade a country to be "safe" and how (b) if I withdraw I will not be "safe." It is similar to non-economists discussing economic policies.
Translation:
A 3-party system will not work. YOU --YES, YOU-- will claim to be an "independent" and "reformist" YOUR entire life, except for the moment YOU vote. I do not understand YOU. Yes, YOU. I know. I know. But YOU really "think" like an "independent," but you do not act/vote like it. Got proof with that statement? Seems like YOU are assuming stuff about me. I only stated that I voted for Obama cause I thought he was the better candidate vs. McCain. However I've stated my stance numerous times on these forums... and it isn't overly Left or Right. (rolls eyes). Oooh... I can do that too. (rolls eyes) It is beyond silly. I'm sorry YOU are so close-minded that YOU can't consider other possibilities. Thank goodness YOU have no say in what happens with US government.
In order for 3-party system to compete with the other two parties, they will need funding. To obtain that funding, they will need money from a variety of sources. It will be --shock! gasp! awe! GOODNESS!-- the same source as the other two. It will not be much different. Join the system. Fight for the system. Change from within. Again, more closemindedness. Thank goodness YOU have no say in what happens with US politics. Did it ever occur to YOU that the system is beyond fixable now? Under the US Constitution, it specifically states choice of president. Well, it's been shown that the past three elections have yielded very little choice when dealing with a 2-party system. 3+ party system will provide more options, which is required by the US Constitution.
Also, apparently it never dawned on YOU that maybe competition is actually good. Apparently it hasn't dawned on YOU that some companies and individuals might remove their donations from the other 2 parties and provide to the 3rd (or 4th or 5th, etc...) party member running for President.
But, yes... the current system of funding for US Presidential elections is currently flawed IMO. But, that doesn't automatically disqualify the recommendation for a 3+ party system like YOU think it does.
Geez, Vato. You got me. Busted. Doubly busted.
You go an support your 3 party system and your party with no members in Congress, heads of executive departments, and not a single judgship.
You got me good. You are right: a third-party is the solution I have been searching for and now, gawsh, I found it.
EDIT: So, when the average "independent" voters enters the voting booth, instead of magically becoming a "Democrat" or "Republican," they will be "party third." Yes. You are right! More party choices = more freedoms. Are you jerking my f-ing chain or did a poorly funded, disorganized, third party tell you this? LOL
Mortgage Crisis falls on the Demo's. They were the one's pushing the fact that we needed to get poor people into homes to live the america dream. So what if they really could not pay. Fannie would be there to loan them money with the cash that Demo's fought hard for 16 years to make sure no one touched. Till it fell apart. Repubs are just stupid because they did not stand up and say no to them.
No one wanted to be the one to tell poor voting masses that "Hey maybe you cannot afford a home till you get a job."
Both sides do not believe in Capitalism...they believe in Votetism. Do whatever, shredd whatever, brown nose whatever to get a vote. We are now ruled by the lowest common denominator. While the Greeks believed in Democracy no one wants to look at what they predicted it lead too...anarchy and destruction. The world seems to be on that course.
I agree repubs should have put a stop to it because they're going to be accused of being racist and "classist" anyway. Clinton meddled with the loan industry to push a political agenda and the current collapse was predicted when he did it.
I'm just watching our new and supposedly different president throwing money at big business like I've never seen before. Things like NAFTA and tax breaks for the rich corporations were annoying enough but forcing tax payers to now foot the bill of these horribly run businesses is pushing things to the breaking point. We've already fought one war over taxation and we don't need another.
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OFF TOPIC:
Tolstoy once said, "happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
Universe:
Mark Twain was the pen name of Samuel Clemens.
ON TOPIC:
The point is a simple one, less complex than the composition of the universe.
The American people are branded. To rebrand --such as Blackwater to Xe or Phillip Morris to Altria-- takes time. It requires generational-shifting changes.
I know you speak from the heart, soul, mind, and passion for more choices. I respect that. I respect that more than you probably appreciate.
Nevertheless, I do not share your confidence that "more choices" will make us any more, or less, free. In fact, the risk is that REALLY POWERFUL interests will simply dominate three instead of two parties. Four instead of two. Five instead of two, thereby REALLY increasing their power.
Participate. Lobby Congress. Write. Join a watchdog group. Observe court trials. Read newspapers. Volunteer at a hospital. Be the best citizen you can be. That will effect change more than the growth of any third-party.
The vision, hope, and triumph of America is our laudable middle-class.
My theory is that our country works best when the middle-class is involved in their own government, participating in their own institutions, and working for the benefit for all.
This is the change we need: involved, informed citizens.
Shepard Smith on people who e-mail Fox News (the republican guys in the e-mails he reads are why it's hard to trust them)
BTW the top 3 worst Fox News Hosts in order (Shep Smith is my favorite)
1. Sean Hannity
2. Glenn Beck
3. Bill O'Reilly
-edit ORIGNAL POST WAS FULL OF TYPOS (WRONG PEOPLE IN THE WRONG PLACE)
I have to say I like Glenn Beck. He freaks out a lot about everything, but he points out problems. He goes to the extremes with them, but the problems do exist. The government created by the founding fathers is being destroyed by Repubs and Demos. Just because Beck is a little nutty and crys about it on tv does not make it so. Most people hide their heads in the sand thinking that america can not fall from shitty governance, but I am sure the Romans, Greeks, British Empire, Khans, etc...thought that too.
As Lincoln said america will never fall to an outside power it is internal corruption that will be our undoing.
Scott Rasmussen went to a Methodist college. Then to a Baptist college.
He received 95K from the RNC and and 45.5K from Bush Jr. as consultant for Bush's campaign.
The fact that his polls show Republicans in a positive light isn't surprising to me. It's like letting Keith Olbermann do polls for Obama's approval rating.
The article mentioned previous polls that showed democrats leading in alot of those categories. All you have to do is read it.
Personally I don't put much into polls either way. A poll result isn't going to change my opinion. And just by looking at an election map you can see how easy it is for a pollster to troll for a certain response.
The Rasmussen poles are always out of line to the right. When other polls showed Bush at 16-21% approval ratings, his showed him in the 30's. Bias is bias.
And please, stop telling people to read when you can't even manage to spell your forum name right. Please.