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Are you guys watching the footage coming out of Iran?
daeandor
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Now, I'm not talking about mainstream media sources. I'm talking about the footage being taken by Iranians and posted on sites which allow the violence to be seen. All I have to say is that there is some brutal stuff going on over there. Sadly, every single time I have posted this kind of stuff in the past here, I have been banned, warned, mod edited, etc, so you will have to find it yourself. And no, I'm not going to tell you where to look. I know many of you know where to find it, so all I'm saying is go look. Things are not pretty over there and I'm not seeing much on mainstream media to indicate the level of violence. Maybe over the next 24 hours it will start showing up. Oh, and the "Neda" thing is not the only example out there, as brutal as that appears.
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Not watching the videos at all. Too grainy, too short and edited... pretty sensationalist at this point for me. They rate a "meh" personally.
I'll wait till it's all over and watch the highlight reel when the dust settles.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Yeah it's sensationalist, but given the Iranian's being blocked in many areas from posting this stuff, what do you expect? I mean, say you have one chance to post something you filmed that day, what do you post?
I guess you can wait till the dust settles, but what if it doesn't? I honestly hope it just calms the heck down and people chill a bit. Another "revolution" in Iran would not be a good thing IMO, regardless of whether we view the protesters as "better" for us. It's just differing degrees of bad if you ask me.
"TO MICHAEL!"
If you're worried about nukes maybe its high time Israel finally bombed the facilities. I spose they will eventually.
O_o o_O
I think this does change the game. The regime has always been illegitimate since 1976, but this makes it publicly acknowledged that the Iranians are living under a totalitarian regime with the disguise of democracy.
It's going to be harder for the Mullahs from here on in to control the people with this open sham of an election. They have lost any shred of appearance that there is some sort of real democracy going oin in that country.
The people from here on out will think of everything the government does as illegitimate, even if the hard liners win this battle.
Not really.
The current leadership of religious right in Iran was brought about because of things the U.S. did directly intervening in Iran.
The U.S. propped up and backed the Shah of Iran, a secular leader who took millions from the U.S. The Shah also stole much of Iran's wealth and kept a system of cronyism in place while favoring the upper classes.
The Iranian people saw that only the rich in Iran and wealthy friendly to the Shah got anything good while common folk got little, and the religious right played on that anger. They convinced the people that that Shah was in league with the U.S. (which he was) and said that this is what happens when the Koran wasn't followed while other beliefs were. They didn't like all the U.S. deals corporations were getting while their country didn't improve.
The people pushed for a revolution and the Shah fled the country with millions of dollars in overseas bank accounts and died in exile. This regime has been legitimate because the people there rioted in the streets in the seventies and gave the ayatollahs a mandate: give us more freedom, not class based favoritism.
They don't have class favortism anymore, but they have much more restrictive rules such as woman being second class citizens and other things. They traded one form of evil for another one, that's all.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Your hatred blinds you.
According to Wikipedia...
The Shah dissolved the womens rights association in Iran completely.
Womens rights in Iran have been improving ever since the revolution.
The Taleban don't allow girls in schools.
From 2001 in the Islamic Republic women have been able to gain their masters degree's in the subjects of "Women and Family", "History of Women", Women's rights in Islam.
"As for the purpose of such programs it is stated that centuries of dominance of negative views on women, sociologically and humanisticaly, and other hardships necessitate special attention to the subject of women. It is hoped that graduates of women's studies programs will be able to present gender-neutral points of view."
More restrictive rules, my arse.
It seems everyone on this forum has adopted the default position of hate. If they don't know something about Iran, rather than take the time to find out, or simply just assume the best about people, they assume evil.
Very poor.
Whoa.. post that link please so i can have a good laugh.
Here's some more funny stuff from Wiki.
"During the Franco regime only male heads of household were allowed to vote. From 1976, during the Spanish transition to democracy women regained the right to vote and be elected to office."
Women were voting in Iran in 1963.
The same can't be said for your country.
Iran opening up in resent yrs doesn't negate the fact that they "Iran"and their leader are direct sponsors of Hamas,Al qaeda and the taleban.
Take Iran down and 50% of the worlds terrorist problems will disappear.The hate only comes from seeing pictures of suppression and living with the threat of terrorists attacks hanging over our lives everyday.
The hate is not for the protesters but for the Freedom suppressors.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
Not really.
The current leadership of religious right in Iran was brought about because of things the U.S. did directly intervening in Iran.
The U.S. propped up and backed the Shah of Iran, a secular leader who took millions from the U.S. The Shah also stole much of Iran's wealth and kept a system of cronyism in place while favoring the upper classes.
The Iranian people saw that only the rich in Iran and wealthy friendly to the Shah got anything good while common folk got little, and the religious right played on that anger. They convinced the people that that Shah was in league with the U.S. (which he was) and said that this is what happens when the Koran wasn't followed while other beliefs were. They didn't like all the U.S. deals corporations were getting while their country didn't improve.
The people pushed for a revolution and the Shah fled the country with millions of dollars in overseas bank accounts and died in exile. This regime has been legitimate because the people there rioted in the streets in the seventies and gave the ayatollahs a mandate: give us more freedom, not class based favoritism.
They don't have class favortism anymore, but they have much more restrictive rules such as woman being second class citizens and other things. They traded one form of evil for another one, that's all.
If your saying that Iran is better off now than it was before 1976, then your fooling yourself.
Not really.
The current leadership of religious right in Iran was brought about because of things the U.S. did directly intervening in Iran.
The U.S. propped up and backed the Shah of Iran, a secular leader who took millions from the U.S. The Shah also stole much of Iran's wealth and kept a system of cronyism in place while favoring the upper classes.
The Iranian people saw that only the rich in Iran and wealthy friendly to the Shah got anything good while common folk got little, and the religious right played on that anger. They convinced the people that that Shah was in league with the U.S. (which he was) and said that this is what happens when the Koran wasn't followed while other beliefs were. They didn't like all the U.S. deals corporations were getting while their country didn't improve.
The people pushed for a revolution and the Shah fled the country with millions of dollars in overseas bank accounts and died in exile. This regime has been legitimate because the people there rioted in the streets in the seventies and gave the ayatollahs a mandate: give us more freedom, not class based favoritism.
They don't have class favortism anymore, but they have much more restrictive rules such as woman being second class citizens and other things. They traded one form of evil for another one, that's all.
If your saying that Iran is better off now than it was before 1976, then your fooling yourself.
If you read me say that in there, then you need to re-read it.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Iran, the United State's hated "axis of evil" enemy has had women voting since 1963.
Saudi Arabia, the United States and George Bush's most trusted ally and family business partners, has had women voting since...
...never.
They aren't allowed to vote in Saudi Arabia at all.
"TO MICHAEL!"
People are being oppressed by their government. You support standing idly by and let this happen to your fellows?
We should probably fix the oppression in our own backyard, first.
We should probably fix the oppression in our own backyard, first.
Oppression.........backyard...........?
Last I checked it was chipmunks gone wild out back. Damn critters are tunneling everywhere, living in my downspouts, and destroying everything.
Now the neighbors house is really oppressive....he shoots the chipmunks with a pellet gun when they get into his bird feeder.....
Overall, I think my backyard is more progressive than oppressive.
Chipmunks prefer to live here, rather than there.
We should probably fix the oppression in our own backyard, first.
Not commenting on our own problems, I was saying that as an Iranian. As they should stand up for their rights and not be oppressed by their own government.
We should probably fix the oppression in our own backyard, first.
Not commenting on our own problems, I was saying that as an Iranian. As they should stand up for their rights and not be oppressed by their own government.
And I agree with you. Personally, I hope this leads to a revolution in Iran similar to the ones in the Soviet Union not that long ago, and gives that country a change to sort tiself out right.
I'm just saying, If you wanna see people letting a government oppress them, you just have to look in a mirror.