I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs. - Artsy fartsy anima characters - Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever - A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it - Raids
Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."
Well, let's put it this way. If I give you a chocolate cake, you might try it and say "ugh, hate that". But I can also give you another cake which is also chocolate and you might really like it.
They both are still chocolate cakes. However, it's the ingrediants and the proportions and the baking that is different.
There is grind and there is grind. One can open up a korean grinder and expect to just hit a field and grind. Shaiya felt a bit like that. I've tried several Korean grinders. And compared to Lineage 2 (I suppose another korean grinder of a sort) they felt junky. The level of detail, not just artistic but in general was way off. There didn't feel like there was any depth to the game.
Take Archlord. A "better' korean grinder, not a bad game but not really lineage 2 quality.
Aion doesn't feel like any of them. There is great polish, a great attention to detail. It feels more liek WoW or LOTRO when I move through the world. I don't just feel like I"m being dumped into a world and then I should just grind until I out level the field and then move on. There very well could be that if one chose to but the quests and crafting can break up that part.
Aion to me, for all its flaws feels like that cake I mentioned. It has the familiar ingredients but in proportions that appeal to me. Now, I will be honest, I haven't played the pvp part so I can't comment on that. I do know that from what I hear its very fun. But that is yet to be determined. I suspect, given my liking for L2 sieges, that I will like it. But we will see.
ok Gf is coming over and Gf and video games don't really mix in fun and exciting ways so must go.
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I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs. - Artsy fartsy anima characters - Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever - A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it - Raids
Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."
Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.
If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.
I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs. - Artsy fartsy anima characters - Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever - A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it - Raids
Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."
Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.
If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.
Name an original MMO and I might.
D&D ..lol
Seriously though i find it funny how everyone compares every game to WoW as if it was actually original to begin with , Like almost every other game made WoW has copied little things here and there but with that being said name a game made today that didn't copy or use the same idea as other games made before them there is almost no such thing as original in the mmo world ( with a few small exceptions ) Almost every Idea or feature in every game origniated from another thats how the world turns .. if you think you can build a game from scratch completely unlike any other game made then go for it otherwise stop complaining.
furthermore , out of 5000+ people that have played Aion Beta there is only 10-20 actually complaining , I think its safe to say there are more people that like it than there are that don't , It may be a polished turd but maybe its polished the way some people want it ..lol
Not that I think anyone will actually get to the point where they will read this, but ... for the record.
I had to be battered into playing World of Warcraft. When I was finally convinced by my fiance's pleading eyes, I got on for a short time, played my characters and leveled them by running instances with a DK a friend of mine had, and the most fun I ever had with the game was creating a narcissist blood elf with a guild of fangirls that never really took off anywhere but had some great jokes.
I thanked God, in whom I do not believe, for the fact that I had the recruit-a-friend 300% exp BS because I couldn't STAND grinding. Every time I got on the game I was like, ".. NEED A LEVEL, LEVEL, LEVEL, LEVEL!" But I didn't really want to do it because it was boring. I was able to grant 18 levels to my lower characters, boosting them immediately to the level 36 of my higher characters, and thank you goodness, because I liked making characters but I did NOT like playing them.
I whined endlessly about the fact that I could find 80 of my exact clones just walking from point A to point B. There wasn't even enough customization to be MILDLY original for a game that seemed like its whole purpose was to create a character and walk around in a structured world doing nothing but comparing yourself to other characters and realizing that that chick has the same face and eyes as you and so does that one and that one and that one and THAT one AND OH GOD WHY DID I EVEN BOTHER?!
.... I signed up for the beta of Aion at Sakura Con this year. I had never heard of it before April--and the developers Liv and Brian went on about how they liked the game and let me play with the controls at the front and my first impression was: LOOK AT THE SLIDER BARS! AND ALL THE MINUTE CUSTOMIZATION STUFF! I was pleased. After all, if this was the base, chances were you would never see anyone with your same exact character.. (Now I realize that yes, if it gets very popular, that customization will eventually overlap anyway) But unlike WoW, there isn't just one attractive face and one body type--not just one good haircut. I like not feeling like I have to be restricted to be aesthetically pleasing--I realize that it's "juvenile" or "newbie" to like aesthetics but I like drawing my characters, and therefore, they have to please me when I look at them.
I got on the beta the first time it opened, realized the customization was a bit more awesome in my head than in play, but it was still pretty decent. I could create characters I liked--characters I had already made--whatever I felt like doing. Okay, so I liked my characters hair to go to their ankles, but show me any customization that allows that yet and I'll be like *foot in mouth* -___- But, I did the same thing I did with WoW. I made 8 characters and KINDA played with one the first weekend. I assumed it'd be the same as WoW. I was not gonna like playing it alone and none of my friends had gotten their keys, so I didn't play it.
Second weekend, I tried to get my fiance to play it with me, but his computer can't run it. Ironic, since he wanted to play it 10,000X more than me, but my computer is built for my art and so it's way better. But I started running along.... and I realized I didn't mind playing. It had a bunch of little quests on the side and customizing your clothes at a low level was impossibly, but I was running through a linear storyline. Like Final Fantasy or Zelda or Lunar.. any RPG (though Zelda's more action adventure, you know what I mean) that I usually love to play.
Because of the way the first ten levels were built, it made my character part of the game... I'm not random sh*thead A who happened to be born on Day Y and got stuck in this stupid war.... I am someone in the game worth mentioning. "YEAH, SO IS EVERYONE ELSE", you say? I know, but so was everyone who played Cloud in FF7. Sure, everyone shares the same story initially, but hell if Aion doesn't take its happy effort in on making EVERYONE feel like they are important.
Realistically, this shouldn't matter.. but so far, it does. I have never played an MMORPG alone and enjoyed myself. I have with Aion. It might change after level 10, when the storyline becomes impossibly varied and there is no longer any point to which I am moving, but maybe they will have various linear storylines to move me from point A to point B?
... I'm a specific case--most people who play MMORPGs are nothing like me, but the point is... Aion is different than WoW. As someone who has had to analyze it to figure out why I might pay for this game, I know it is. The system is the same, but so are almost all the JRPG systems. You play a game for certain reasons, but what makes a game original is if it has different small factors, since originality (as has been said in this thread before in a huge post much like this one) has not actually existed for a very long, long time.
Originally posted by Lobotomist
Haha
Man. As the MMO genre becomes more and more pathetic., Sso do the fanbois fanboys.
What a tantrum you fall into if somebody simply expresses an oppinion opinion. Amusing.
And to inteligent the intelligent poster above that made the comment about Vanguard.Aand stacking skills:
It takes a special kind of genius. Not only to misread and misunderstand a post, but to remember what you didnt didn't understand for two years.
^ ...? Second language. I understand. I don't understand what you said, though.
Man, you should be given a medal.
If only they would give medals for stupidity !
^ What a great statement.
And hehe. For all of you upset about L4D2 boycott.:
Well, it figures that same people that think Aion is original, also think L4D2 is a great deal.
Hehe. I bet a man could sell you stinky gym socks wraped wrapped around stick , and tell you it's a french cheese corn dog
Original !
Good God bless your open wallets
(EDITED FOR MY OWN SAKE) Boy, you are obviously using your second language here. I wouldn't believe you were 35 with the attitude and all.
I didn't really dismiss your opinion until this post. You're saying other people are throwing tantrums, but you're falling into the same shtick, since you are "WAH"ing right back. O.o You've insulted everyone who LIKES Aion for no reason other than you don't like it?
I realize that if the world were perfect, not every person who likes Aion would take your statement as a direct insult, but since it was meant to be, I think I'll take it as such. You don't even think about what you're saying, do you?
I haven't thrown a tantrum nor have I insulted you. I expressed an equally valid (though less abrasive) opinion, but you're going to insult myself and everyone else who has left the same opinions. True, there are some who HAVE flamed you, but you aimed your opinion at them saying their logic was weak. O_o Pot calling kettle black, much?
Reading your post makes me want to mentally vomit. Which, as it happens, us a celebration of unoriginality in itself. You haven't even played the game, and you haven't really read up on it that much either. Your ignorance on the subject is painfully obvious.
Madeux you're wonderful I love you!
Lobotomist I've seen a lot of negative posts by you with every new release in the past two years, yes you hate everything that's come out, my thought on this is if you can't find anything at all that's worth your time in this genre anymore either play whatever it is that made you happy before, if that's possible or just get out of the MMO scene and find something to smile the frack about.
Quit wasting your time and our time with retarded threads that bring nothing to no one.
Oh and I agree with Kyleran you've turned on a bad leaf here at least your previous negative threads on other games had a glimmer of thought and intelligence, you didn't even try.... Why bother even being in this forum?
Reading your post makes me want to mentally vomit. Which, as it happens, us a celebration of unoriginality in itself. You haven't even played the game, and you haven't really read up on it that much either. Your ignorance on the subject is painfully obvious.
Madeux you're wonderful I love you!
Lobotomist I've seen a lot of negative posts by you with every new release in the past two years, yes you hate everything that's come out, my thought on this is if you can't find anything at all that's worth your time in this genre anymore either play whatever it is that made you happy before, if that's possible or just get out of the MMO scene and find something to smile the frack about.
Quit wasting your time and our time with retarded threads that bring nothing to no one.
I have to agree with you here... I am pretty great, huh?
You know, you're absolutely correct, its the same ol same ol.
Yeah I remember how in WoW you can capture keeps for your guild and you get rewarded for it. Oh and that instance you can go into where you fight the other faction to win the right to fight the last boss in said instance.
Yep I remember how WoW lets you customize your character's eye color and add tatoos and lets you change every aspect of you're characters physical appearance.
I remember how WoW has in game cut scenes and missions that actually require you to party to complete them.
/sigh
Every book has a cover, sometimes it pays to open it and read it before you make a judgement.
Aion has a lot of unique features, if only people would bother to find them.
I tried the game, did the closed beta for 2 weekends. I'd have to say AION reminds me of WoW mixed with Final Fantasy. I love the graphics, and the animations are cool, and flying is fun, and I do like how the game really makes you feel like the hero of the game.
The bottom line is, I would not pay $14.99 for this game. They should make it free to play like Guild Wars. I won't be joining at launch and I won't be pre-ordering. No game that has come out in years has really sparked my interest.
That said, I do think AION is a fun game and I would play it, if it were not going to be a monthly payment MMO. They could easily make money by selling the game and expansions for the game just like they did with GW.
The graphics are excellent but when the new Final Fantasy, SW:TOR, or STO come out, AION will be in trouble.
The bottom line is, I would not pay $14.99 for this game. They should make it free to play like Guild Wars. I won't be joining at launch and I won't be pre-ordering. No game that has come out in years has really sparked my interest. That said, I do think AION is a fun game and I would play it, if it were not going to be a monthly payment MMO. They could easily make money by selling the game and expansions for the game just like they did with GW.
Do you realize what you're asking here? The Guild Wars model only works for Guild Wars because it is not setup as a traditional MMO it's not even an MMO, it's online and multiplayer that's it.
IF Aion was F2P, which only means F2 download btw, there would have to be other means of making money and keeping this boat afloat... Which means yes the infamous cash shop. Take Dungeons and Dragons Online just got free to play or did it? It retains it monthly fee for regular and VIP players who get access to everything in the game, but the free to play people will have to buy access to certain areas (and other stuff I think). Convenient for the very casual player and just annoying for those who have DDO as their main game.
I just honestly want to know how fans of this can agrue how its different than the 200 other korean MMOs. - Artsy fartsy anima characters - Cut-paste quests from every single mmo ever - A open pvp sytem similar to war, daoc, plus 50 korean grinders with it - Raids
Seriously, why pay for this? The same shit is in 100 other games. If I took an Aion gameplay video and showed it to 15 friends who play MMOs they would say, "Ha, nice korean grinder."
Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.
If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.
If you weren't so closed minded you would find by yourself, we are not gonna bother convincing someone whose choice is already made.
Do you realize what you're asking here? The Guild Wars model only works for Guild Wars because it is not setup as a traditional MMO it's not even an MMO, it's online and multiplayer that's it. IF Aion was F2P, which only means F2 download btw, there would have to be other means of making money and keeping this boat afloat... Which means yes the infamous cash shop. Take Dungeons and Dragons Online just got free to play or did it? It retains it monthly fee for regular and VIP players who get access to everything in the game, but the free to play people will have to buy access to certain areas (and other stuff I think). Convenient for the very casual player and just annoying for those who have DDO as their main game. There's no such thing as free to play.
Sums it up nicely. You lose far to much in game development and balancing to make it free to play. The later level PvP cannot be balanced, as more people play and reach the higher levels new content and balancing will have to be done and that costs money.
Console games are like movies, you spend all the money up front and hope your game comes out and covers the cost and increases your profit margin. MMO's work to a different tune, box sales are only a portion of possible profit, if you make a great game and keep customers coming back you have a chance to increase profits but theres a fine line to what your spending to keep increasing balance and content.
Since I didn´t play Aion yet: The purpose of DAoCs PvP was, to take relics. What is the purpose of Aions PvP?
to control the fortresses in the abyss and just to have fun in general killing players outside of abyss , does there have to be an actual purpose ?, cause to me pvp is fun and exciting regardless if i know i'm gonna die or think I can kill em
Originally posted by Twizted26 Originally posted by Herodes Since I didn´t play Aion yet: The purpose of DAoCs PvP was, to take relics. What is the purpose of Aions PvP?
to control the fortresses in the abyss and just to have fun in general killing players outside of abyss , does there have to be an actual purpose ?, cause to me pvp is fun and exciting regardless if i know i'm gonna die or think I can kill em And this is okay. I had lots of fun in WAR scenarios for 2-3 hours a day, until I was sick of it.
The purpose of DAoCs PvP was, to take relics. What is the purpose of Aions PvP?
to control the fortresses in the abyss and just to have fun in general killing players outside of abyss , does there have to be an actual purpose ?, cause to me pvp is fun and exciting regardless if i know i'm gonna die or think I can kill em
And this is okay. I had lots of fun in WAR scenarios for 2-3 hours a day, until I was sick of it.
I do scenario's but i also run around and gank or take over BO's and sieges when I see groups for them .. I don't limit myself to waiting forever for a queue to pop just for 5 minutes of getting mobbed by a whole team of BW's
As for Aion i'm sure there is alot more to it than what i mentioned maybe someone that plays the KoR or Ch version should give their oppinion
Here is my two cents In past few years my MMO addiction forced me to test,buy and play most every AA MMO released. From SWG to WOW, from Vanguard to Potbs, From Lotro to Tabula Rasa, and from AOC to WAR... Most of them I regret waisting my money on. But each time a new MMO is release i fall into the hype , wishfull thinking and I cave in and buy. I must say I am happy this is absolutely not case with Aion.
Watching clips about Aion , and reading about it - makes me want to mentally vomit.
4 years now we seen endless stream of WOW clones. And while all of them were pathetic in their own right. At least they tried to do something original. But what is Aion ? How does it stand out from the crowd? WINGS! Yes. You want to know about aion ? Well you know its like WOW, but you get wings. And the graphic is better.
I can not blame NCsoft for trying. They have money and will to make sucesfull MMO. And they want to have a sure shot. And what can be more sure than generic clone 101 of a game that captured millions.
For the sake of you that are going to buy this game. I just hope Aion is damn good. And polished as diamond. Cause where is the logic of buying a copy that is worse than original ?
Ah how i feel sorry for you. I did expect you to do some really good research before bashing a game.
we all know when we got into rpg's we did the same damn thing. grind enemies to gain lvls, get enough money to buy the most expensive items sold in towns before moving on, rinse and repeat will we got to the final boss until we killed it.
Ive been going thru that same senario ever since the very first rpg to ever grace the nes. The only difference in todays games is the story that is attached to it. This eases the grind needed to achieve your goal. To find out what happends at the end.
MMORPGs only 2 differences from rpg;s as they do not have no end and they actually expand and the element of pvp. Players are devided into the pvp portion, the Lore portion or both. Why not pve? well you still do the same thing, quest, kill, get more gear, and advace. This ive been familiar with for over 25 years.
I have played many mmorpgs also but i do not see wow as a standerdized hunk of shit of which many are pushing it to be.
like i said all your doing in every mmorpg is the same shit just a different color. what makes them stand out will be their pvp and their lore. Wow has plenty of lore to go around, enough to make me do go back to the game every time an expantion comes out. once i complete the lore i move on. its pvp leaves much to be desired and i dont like it much.
For Eve im attracted more to the pvp element than its lore.
Now for Aion , it will be both its pvp and its lore.
Ncsoft did somthing original. THEIR LORE IS NOT BASED ON WHAT 90% OF ALL MMORPGS ARE BASED ON. This is not another story of elves, dwarves and orcs. Its Original and thats attracting me like flies to shit. The world is different, its sun happeneds to be in the middle of it. There are no damn dwarves and elves. Those darn storys are a damn dime a dozen and i do cringe when i hear another mmorpg comming out with the same damn races all over again with very few original races of their own, well that or a mix of 2 known races ect.
Look at runes of magic, yes it started with humans, and how do they announce their next expantion, with fucking elves like if fucking elves are the best shit in the world, omfg another story with fucking elves.
we have wow, lotr and many more to fill that tolken fantasy part of fantasy. what we do need is more games like aion where the writers actually can come up with somthing unique. Aion story is atleast very ogriginal and the rest in it wont matter as much because like ever other game out there, not only mmorpgs, all you damn do is touch buttons to issue commands.
one way or another you don it before. Only polished games with good a good storyline take the cake now but you have one way or another done the same thing to play the game, the controls will feel similar ect. Now with all this motion senseing comming out maybe we will see new ways to play our games till then and other than what nintendo dished out, your playing games the same way ever since you got interest in them.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Gotta love all the kids screaming "vvovv clone" vvhen they actually have no idea about vvovv just being a major clone itself rofl
Aion was made to be a traditional RPG, WoW is no longer a traditional anything. It's just a rip off of EQ, with ripped off ideas from other games.
EQ was just a rip off of Dungeons and Dragons, which wasn't really ripped off from anything.
Aion is a traditional RPG, that's it. It might have some different features to it, but for the most part you see a lot of classic elements.
If anything Aion is a clone of Lineage 2, but without the ridiculous grinding, useless quest and much, much better PvP system. WoW at this point is just so awful that I wouldn't play a direct clone of it, complete waste of money. Aion might be a clone of WoW how it was three years ago, pre-tbc. Even then.
i think that there is a pattern with MMO's.... we need all these crappy indy mmos to come out with concepts that almost work but not quite. Then a giant company comes along and scoops them all up and polishes them to prisitne shine and then you get a truly great mmo.
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
i think that there is a pattern with MMO's.... we need all these crappy indy mmos to come out with concepts that almost work but not quite. Then a giant company comes along and scoops them all up and polishes them to prisitne shine and then you get a truly great mmo.
Except there is the recurring theme that the TRULY wanted features from those 'niche' games never makes it to mainstream.
Those being meaningful PvP, territory control, corpse looting to at least some degree and in-depth crafting. EQII started off with a very involved crafting process that tons of people loved, but a vocal minority complained and they nerfed it to make it require no skill at all.
PvP in Aion, WoW, Warhammer (yes, Warhammer), AoC....etc etc etc all doesn't mean anything. PvP and territory control go hand in hand, but if you have territory control then that means there is the potential to lose what you worked to build. But that's not a bad thing, it just means that you will want to defend it.
Now, granted you can't have territory control that is free roam -or- that is quick. If it's free-roam, then it can't be quick or easy because you are going to have people just wait until people log off to go to sleep or work/school and that isn't fair. It isn't fair even relation to RL because if it were RL you'd be sleeping at your fort/base/town/whatever and if it was attacked you'd wake up and be ready to go, doesn't work that way if you're logged off.
If it's not free roam and is on a schedule then battle times are variable.
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Well, let's put it this way. If I give you a chocolate cake, you might try it and say "ugh, hate that". But I can also give you another cake which is also chocolate and you might really like it.
They both are still chocolate cakes. However, it's the ingrediants and the proportions and the baking that is different.
There is grind and there is grind. One can open up a korean grinder and expect to just hit a field and grind. Shaiya felt a bit like that. I've tried several Korean grinders. And compared to Lineage 2 (I suppose another korean grinder of a sort) they felt junky. The level of detail, not just artistic but in general was way off. There didn't feel like there was any depth to the game.
Take Archlord. A "better' korean grinder, not a bad game but not really lineage 2 quality.
Aion doesn't feel like any of them. There is great polish, a great attention to detail. It feels more liek WoW or LOTRO when I move through the world. I don't just feel like I"m being dumped into a world and then I should just grind until I out level the field and then move on. There very well could be that if one chose to but the quests and crafting can break up that part.
Aion to me, for all its flaws feels like that cake I mentioned. It has the familiar ingredients but in proportions that appeal to me. Now, I will be honest, I haven't played the pvp part so I can't comment on that. I do know that from what I hear its very fun. But that is yet to be determined. I suspect, given my liking for L2 sieges, that I will like it. But we will see.
ok Gf is coming over and Gf and video games don't really mix in fun and exciting ways so must go.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
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Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.
If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.
Name an original MMO and I might.
Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.
If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.
Name an original MMO and I might.
D&D ..lol
Seriously though i find it funny how everyone compares every game to WoW as if it was actually original to begin with , Like almost every other game made WoW has copied little things here and there but with that being said name a game made today that didn't copy or use the same idea as other games made before them there is almost no such thing as original in the mmo world ( with a few small exceptions ) Almost every Idea or feature in every game origniated from another thats how the world turns .. if you think you can build a game from scratch completely unlike any other game made then go for it otherwise stop complaining.
furthermore , out of 5000+ people that have played Aion Beta there is only 10-20 actually complaining , I think its safe to say there are more people that like it than there are that don't , It may be a polished turd but maybe its polished the way some people want it ..lol
You rant on about a game you tell us you haven't played and expect people to take you seriously?
Not that I think anyone will actually get to the point where they will read this, but ... for the record.
I had to be battered into playing World of Warcraft. When I was finally convinced by my fiance's pleading eyes, I got on for a short time, played my characters and leveled them by running instances with a DK a friend of mine had, and the most fun I ever had with the game was creating a narcissist blood elf with a guild of fangirls that never really took off anywhere but had some great jokes.
I thanked God, in whom I do not believe, for the fact that I had the recruit-a-friend 300% exp BS because I couldn't STAND grinding. Every time I got on the game I was like, ".. NEED A LEVEL, LEVEL, LEVEL, LEVEL!" But I didn't really want to do it because it was boring. I was able to grant 18 levels to my lower characters, boosting them immediately to the level 36 of my higher characters, and thank you goodness, because I liked making characters but I did NOT like playing them.
I whined endlessly about the fact that I could find 80 of my exact clones just walking from point A to point B. There wasn't even enough customization to be MILDLY original for a game that seemed like its whole purpose was to create a character and walk around in a structured world doing nothing but comparing yourself to other characters and realizing that that chick has the same face and eyes as you and so does that one and that one and that one and THAT one AND OH GOD WHY DID I EVEN BOTHER?!
.... I signed up for the beta of Aion at Sakura Con this year. I had never heard of it before April--and the developers Liv and Brian went on about how they liked the game and let me play with the controls at the front and my first impression was: LOOK AT THE SLIDER BARS! AND ALL THE MINUTE CUSTOMIZATION STUFF! I was pleased. After all, if this was the base, chances were you would never see anyone with your same exact character.. (Now I realize that yes, if it gets very popular, that customization will eventually overlap anyway) But unlike WoW, there isn't just one attractive face and one body type--not just one good haircut. I like not feeling like I have to be restricted to be aesthetically pleasing--I realize that it's "juvenile" or "newbie" to like aesthetics but I like drawing my characters, and therefore, they have to please me when I look at them.
I got on the beta the first time it opened, realized the customization was a bit more awesome in my head than in play, but it was still pretty decent. I could create characters I liked--characters I had already made--whatever I felt like doing. Okay, so I liked my characters hair to go to their ankles, but show me any customization that allows that yet and I'll be like *foot in mouth* -___- But, I did the same thing I did with WoW. I made 8 characters and KINDA played with one the first weekend. I assumed it'd be the same as WoW. I was not gonna like playing it alone and none of my friends had gotten their keys, so I didn't play it.
Second weekend, I tried to get my fiance to play it with me, but his computer can't run it. Ironic, since he wanted to play it 10,000X more than me, but my computer is built for my art and so it's way better. But I started running along.... and I realized I didn't mind playing. It had a bunch of little quests on the side and customizing your clothes at a low level was impossibly, but I was running through a linear storyline. Like Final Fantasy or Zelda or Lunar.. any RPG (though Zelda's more action adventure, you know what I mean) that I usually love to play.
Because of the way the first ten levels were built, it made my character part of the game... I'm not random sh*thead A who happened to be born on Day Y and got stuck in this stupid war.... I am someone in the game worth mentioning. "YEAH, SO IS EVERYONE ELSE", you say? I know, but so was everyone who played Cloud in FF7. Sure, everyone shares the same story initially, but hell if Aion doesn't take its happy effort in on making EVERYONE feel like they are important.
Realistically, this shouldn't matter.. but so far, it does. I have never played an MMORPG alone and enjoyed myself. I have with Aion. It might change after level 10, when the storyline becomes impossibly varied and there is no longer any point to which I am moving, but maybe they will have various linear storylines to move me from point A to point B?
... I'm a specific case--most people who play MMORPGs are nothing like me, but the point is... Aion is different than WoW. As someone who has had to analyze it to figure out why I might pay for this game, I know it is. The system is the same, but so are almost all the JRPG systems. You play a game for certain reasons, but what makes a game original is if it has different small factors, since originality (as has been said in this thread before in a huge post much like this one) has not actually existed for a very long, long time.
Originally posted by Lobotomist
Haha
Man. As the MMO genre becomes more and more pathetic., Sso do the fanbois fanboys.
What a tantrum you fall into if somebody simply expresses an oppinion opinion. Amusing.
And to inteligent the intelligent poster above that made the comment about Vanguard. Aand stacking skills:
It takes a special kind of genius. Not only to misread and misunderstand a post, but to remember what you didnt didn't understand for two years.
^ ...? Second language. I understand. I don't understand what you said, though.
Man, you should be given a medal.
If only they would give medals for stupidity !
^ What a great statement.
And hehe. For all of you upset about L4D2 boycott.:
Well, it figures that same people that think Aion is original, also think L4D2 is a great deal.
Hehe. I bet a man could sell you stinky gym socks wraped wrapped around stick , and tell you it's a french cheese corn dog
Original !
Good God bless your open wallets
(EDITED FOR MY OWN SAKE) Boy, you are obviously using your second language here. I wouldn't believe you were 35 with the attitude and all.
I didn't really dismiss your opinion until this post. You're saying other people are throwing tantrums, but you're falling into the same shtick, since you are "WAH"ing right back. O.o You've insulted everyone who LIKES Aion for no reason other than you don't like it?
I realize that if the world were perfect, not every person who likes Aion would take your statement as a direct insult, but since it was meant to be, I think I'll take it as such. You don't even think about what you're saying, do you?
I haven't thrown a tantrum nor have I insulted you. I expressed an equally valid (though less abrasive) opinion, but you're going to insult myself and everyone else who has left the same opinions. True, there are some who HAVE flamed you, but you aimed your opinion at them saying their logic was weak. O_o Pot calling kettle black, much?
Madeux you're wonderful I love you!
Lobotomist I've seen a lot of negative posts by you with every new release in the past two years, yes you hate everything that's come out, my thought on this is if you can't find anything at all that's worth your time in this genre anymore either play whatever it is that made you happy before, if that's possible or just get out of the MMO scene and find something to smile the frack about.
Quit wasting your time and our time with retarded threads that bring nothing to no one.
Oh and I agree with Kyleran you've turned on a bad leaf here at least your previous negative threads on other games had a glimmer of thought and intelligence, you didn't even try.... Why bother even being in this forum?
I am boggled.
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Madeux you're wonderful I love you!
Lobotomist I've seen a lot of negative posts by you with every new release in the past two years, yes you hate everything that's come out, my thought on this is if you can't find anything at all that's worth your time in this genre anymore either play whatever it is that made you happy before, if that's possible or just get out of the MMO scene and find something to smile the frack about.
Quit wasting your time and our time with retarded threads that bring nothing to no one.
I have to agree with you here... I am pretty great, huh?
You know, you're absolutely correct, its the same ol same ol.
Yeah I remember how in WoW you can capture keeps for your guild and you get rewarded for it. Oh and that instance you can go into where you fight the other faction to win the right to fight the last boss in said instance.
Yep I remember how WoW lets you customize your character's eye color and add tatoos and lets you change every aspect of you're characters physical appearance.
I remember how WoW has in game cut scenes and missions that actually require you to party to complete them.
/sigh
Every book has a cover, sometimes it pays to open it and read it before you make a judgement.
Aion has a lot of unique features, if only people would bother to find them.
I tried the game, did the closed beta for 2 weekends. I'd have to say AION reminds me of WoW mixed with Final Fantasy. I love the graphics, and the animations are cool, and flying is fun, and I do like how the game really makes you feel like the hero of the game.
The bottom line is, I would not pay $14.99 for this game. They should make it free to play like Guild Wars. I won't be joining at launch and I won't be pre-ordering. No game that has come out in years has really sparked my interest.
That said, I do think AION is a fun game and I would play it, if it were not going to be a monthly payment MMO. They could easily make money by selling the game and expansions for the game just like they did with GW.
The graphics are excellent but when the new Final Fantasy, SW:TOR, or STO come out, AION will be in trouble.
Do you realize what you're asking here? The Guild Wars model only works for Guild Wars because it is not setup as a traditional MMO it's not even an MMO, it's online and multiplayer that's it.
IF Aion was F2P, which only means F2 download btw, there would have to be other means of making money and keeping this boat afloat... Which means yes the infamous cash shop. Take Dungeons and Dragons Online just got free to play or did it? It retains it monthly fee for regular and VIP players who get access to everything in the game, but the free to play people will have to buy access to certain areas (and other stuff I think). Convenient for the very casual player and just annoying for those who have DDO as their main game.
There's no such thing as free to play.
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Try the game longer than to level 5 and you might find out.
If this game had anything else it would be as simple as saying it. Thanks for proving my point.
If you weren't so closed minded you would find by yourself, we are not gonna bother convincing someone whose choice is already made.
Sums it up nicely. You lose far to much in game development and balancing to make it free to play. The later level PvP cannot be balanced, as more people play and reach the higher levels new content and balancing will have to be done and that costs money.
Console games are like movies, you spend all the money up front and hope your game comes out and covers the cost and increases your profit margin. MMO's work to a different tune, box sales are only a portion of possible profit, if you make a great game and keep customers coming back you have a chance to increase profits but theres a fine line to what your spending to keep increasing balance and content.
Fight my Brute Clicky!!
Memon 40 WH War-PT
Since I didn´t play Aion yet:
The purpose of DAoCs PvP was, to take relics. What is the purpose of Aions PvP?
to control the fortresses in the abyss and just to have fun in general killing players outside of abyss , does there have to be an actual purpose ?, cause to me pvp is fun and exciting regardless if i know i'm gonna die or think I can kill em
to control the fortresses in the abyss and just to have fun in general killing players outside of abyss , does there have to be an actual purpose ?, cause to me pvp is fun and exciting regardless if i know i'm gonna die or think I can kill em
And this is okay. I had lots of fun in WAR scenarios for 2-3 hours a day, until I was sick of it.
to control the fortresses in the abyss and just to have fun in general killing players outside of abyss , does there have to be an actual purpose ?, cause to me pvp is fun and exciting regardless if i know i'm gonna die or think I can kill em
And this is okay. I had lots of fun in WAR scenarios for 2-3 hours a day, until I was sick of it.
I do scenario's but i also run around and gank or take over BO's and sieges when I see groups for them .. I don't limit myself to waiting forever for a queue to pop just for 5 minutes of getting mobbed by a whole team of BW's
As for Aion i'm sure there is alot more to it than what i mentioned maybe someone that plays the KoR or Ch version should give their oppinion
Ah how i feel sorry for you. I did expect you to do some really good research before bashing a game.
we all know when we got into rpg's we did the same damn thing. grind enemies to gain lvls, get enough money to buy the most expensive items sold in towns before moving on, rinse and repeat will we got to the final boss until we killed it.
Ive been going thru that same senario ever since the very first rpg to ever grace the nes. The only difference in todays games is the story that is attached to it. This eases the grind needed to achieve your goal. To find out what happends at the end.
MMORPGs only 2 differences from rpg;s as they do not have no end and they actually expand and the element of pvp. Players are devided into the pvp portion, the Lore portion or both. Why not pve? well you still do the same thing, quest, kill, get more gear, and advace. This ive been familiar with for over 25 years.
I have played many mmorpgs also but i do not see wow as a standerdized hunk of shit of which many are pushing it to be.
like i said all your doing in every mmorpg is the same shit just a different color. what makes them stand out will be their pvp and their lore. Wow has plenty of lore to go around, enough to make me do go back to the game every time an expantion comes out. once i complete the lore i move on. its pvp leaves much to be desired and i dont like it much.
For Eve im attracted more to the pvp element than its lore.
Now for Aion , it will be both its pvp and its lore.
Ncsoft did somthing original. THEIR LORE IS NOT BASED ON WHAT 90% OF ALL MMORPGS ARE BASED ON. This is not another story of elves, dwarves and orcs. Its Original and thats attracting me like flies to shit. The world is different, its sun happeneds to be in the middle of it. There are no damn dwarves and elves. Those darn storys are a damn dime a dozen and i do cringe when i hear another mmorpg comming out with the same damn races all over again with very few original races of their own, well that or a mix of 2 known races ect.
Look at runes of magic, yes it started with humans, and how do they announce their next expantion, with fucking elves like if fucking elves are the best shit in the world, omfg another story with fucking elves.
we have wow, lotr and many more to fill that tolken fantasy part of fantasy. what we do need is more games like aion where the writers actually can come up with somthing unique. Aion story is atleast very ogriginal and the rest in it wont matter as much because like ever other game out there, not only mmorpgs, all you damn do is touch buttons to issue commands.
one way or another you don it before. Only polished games with good a good storyline take the cake now but you have one way or another done the same thing to play the game, the controls will feel similar ect. Now with all this motion senseing comming out maybe we will see new ways to play our games till then and other than what nintendo dished out, your playing games the same way ever since you got interest in them.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Gotta love all the kids screaming "vvovv clone" vvhen they actually have no idea about vvovv just being a major clone itself rofl
Aion was made to be a traditional RPG, WoW is no longer a traditional anything. It's just a rip off of EQ, with ripped off ideas from other games.
EQ was just a rip off of Dungeons and Dragons, which wasn't really ripped off from anything.
Aion is a traditional RPG, that's it. It might have some different features to it, but for the most part you see a lot of classic elements.
If anything Aion is a clone of Lineage 2, but without the ridiculous grinding, useless quest and much, much better PvP system. WoW at this point is just so awful that I wouldn't play a direct clone of it, complete waste of money. Aion might be a clone of WoW how it was three years ago, pre-tbc. Even then.
i think that there is a pattern with MMO's.... we need all these crappy indy mmos to come out with concepts that almost work but not quite. Then a giant company comes along and scoops them all up and polishes them to prisitne shine and then you get a truly great mmo.
"Don't mistake a fun game for a good game... Checkers is fun to play but its not exactly the highest point of gaming design... and definatly not worth $60 plus $15 a month"
Except there is the recurring theme that the TRULY wanted features from those 'niche' games never makes it to mainstream.
Those being meaningful PvP, territory control, corpse looting to at least some degree and in-depth crafting. EQII started off with a very involved crafting process that tons of people loved, but a vocal minority complained and they nerfed it to make it require no skill at all.
PvP in Aion, WoW, Warhammer (yes, Warhammer), AoC....etc etc etc all doesn't mean anything. PvP and territory control go hand in hand, but if you have territory control then that means there is the potential to lose what you worked to build. But that's not a bad thing, it just means that you will want to defend it.
Now, granted you can't have territory control that is free roam -or- that is quick. If it's free-roam, then it can't be quick or easy because you are going to have people just wait until people log off to go to sleep or work/school and that isn't fair. It isn't fair even relation to RL because if it were RL you'd be sleeping at your fort/base/town/whatever and if it was attacked you'd wake up and be ready to go, doesn't work that way if you're logged off.
If it's not free roam and is on a schedule then battle times are variable.