I personally would advise people that are not playing Everquest to not play it. The game isn't the fun game it was in the beginning. The only way that Everquest today resembles the Everquest of the past that made it a hit is only in name. Also Sony has added item shops to almost all their games including Everquest so not only do you pay 15/month for this older game, if you want all items you must purchase them from their item shop for real life money. I say avoid this game.
Have you played EQ since they added the item shops? There is nothing in it that is needed. There is some exp potions and things like that and fluff items like spells to change the way your weapons look but again, nothing at all needed.
Here is the thing. Leveling in EQ1 was made MUCH easier. Sony really dumbed down the game and has an entire new starting area. You cant choose the old world starting areas anymore. You can still get to them from the plane of knowledge but you dont start out in them anymore. It seems there are people in this new starting area so it is possible to get a group right off the bat. If you have all the expansion packs, the last one allows you to hire a merc pet to run around with you. Either a warrior or healer type and they do pretty dang good.
Now the bad. The graphics and animations are bad compared to todays games. Combat is Very slow paced compared to wow. So if you expecting to kill stuff in 10 seconds, forget it, it wont happen. Combat in that game playing solo can take easily 1-2 minutes per fight and when you get higher level, you still have the downtime to worry about when regaining mana (if your a casting class).
So would I suggest EQ1 to a wow player. Well that depends. If you didnt like wow and want to try something different. Then yeah, I say go for it. If you liked wow though and are just tired of it, I doubt you would like EQ1 in its current state. Its just to outdated for most people.
I will not pay a subscription with an item shop in a game no matter the items. I think if you are paying a sub you should be able to get all items in game no matter what they are. Why play that old game which I believe is broken beyond belief from it's original design. Everyone forced to start in one new area? So how does having all these newbie starting areas in the game even make sense? That doesn't sound like an immersive world to me. Sounds like a jumbled together mess. The whole experience/world doesn't seem cohesive at all.
I would much rather go to a another subscription based game without an item shop tacted on to milk the players further. Other games give you all items in the game, even fluff for your sub. So instead of the rested xp route like in WoW to boost xp, they opt for xp potions from an item shop? That is exactly what happens with a game that has an item shop. Instead of developing ways to solve percieved problems that is included with your sub they will solve with a paid option. Why put in rested xp if you can make your players buy potions for your virtual item shop?
I stand by my original statement, avoid this game.
EQ1 never had rested exp to begin with so what does it matter if they put an xp potion in a shop or not? With the exception of the potions, the items in the shop do not really give you anything. For armor and weapons, all you get is potions to make your armor/weapons LOOK like something you could get from somewhere else in the game. No stat changes or anything like that, just an illusion only. All I can say is get over your phobia about item shops, at least in EQ1 as there is nothing there that is worth it unless you just want to spend extra cash.
As for the old game. The old worlds are still there and are still exactly as they were when the game launched, with the exception of some additions of quest npc's and some instances they have added for groups. Its obvious you have never played EQ1 or you wouldnt even try to talk about how having multiple starting areas is not immersive, due to the fact that the lore of the game was written for each of those areas. I do hate the fact that they changed that and put in 1 starting area but I can see why they did it as it will make it easier to group in a game that requires you to group for most classes.
Oh, and to cover your little xp potion problem. EQ1 put in hot zones for all level ranges. These "hot zones" give double xp while you are in them, so in essence, if you go to these zones, you are getting the equivalent of rested xp. So they in fact DO give you xp boosts without you having to purchase anything from the item shop. Care to try again?
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
I have in these post and other post not going to go through it again. Just because you feel it is okay to have a monthly fee + item shops in your game doesn't mean everyone does. It is the principle of the matter.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
I have in these post and other post not going to go through it again. Just because you feel it is okay to have a monthly fee + item shops in your game doesn't mean everyone does. It is the principle of the matter.
Ahh, I am seeing the light now. The game hasnt been ruined, your just opposed to having an item shop in a game that you pay a monthly fee in. Why didnt you just say that instead of saying the game was ruined? Hey, I agree with you that item shops shouldnt be in a pay to play game however if the item shop is not giving you in game items then it really is a non issue as it does not effect you and your enjoyment of the game. Next time, instead of trying to trash a game because of your hate for item shops, you really need to find out whats in those item shops before you go on a crusade to try and trash that game.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
I have in these post and other post not going to go through it again. Just because you feel it is okay to have a monthly fee + item shops in your game doesn't mean everyone does. It is the principle of the matter.
Ahh, I am seeing the light now. The game hasnt been ruined, your just opposed to having an item shop in a game that you pay a monthly fee in. Why didnt you just say that instead of saying the game was ruined? Hey, I agree with you that item shops shouldnt be in a pay to play game however if the item shop is not giving you in game items then it really is a non issue as it does not effect you and your enjoyment of the game. Next time, instead of trying to trash a game because of your hate for item shops, you really need to find out whats in those item shops before you go on a crusade to try and trash that game.
No. I have listed many other reasons in past threads to why the game is ruined as you did as well. The death penalties have basically been removed, leveling through the old world made trivial, important class mechanics trivalized over the years (wizard/druid ports, rogue pulling corpses, cleric/warrior via mercs, Enchanter buffs illusions trivalized with ooc regen and giving everyone illusions), lore ruined, cats in space, poorly designed instant travel and bazaar, faction trivalized, mix matched graphics throughout the game, and the list goes on. It isn't the same game anymore it is a broken ugly shell of what it once was.
Oh great here he comes again. Just so people know, this guy above hates SOE and anything SOE. He hasn't played EQ1 in quite a long time so he has absolutely no idea what the game is like. He's one of those folks still living back in the classic EQ days and wishing the game never changed.
Yeah I know, I wish gas price is still 10 cents/gallon and price of food hasn't gone up either.
Personally, my first 5 years I spent in EQ1 and had an awesome time. Quit the game for 5 years and just recently went back to it, and having just about as much fun as before. Of course I live in reality and play games if they are fun for me. I don't go around having some sort of high moral grounds limiting games to play based on artificial pixelated items that don't boost your characters in any shape or form ingame (station cash, LoN, etc..).
I'd still encourage folks to try the game out if they choose to, and not worry about what folks that quit years ago say.
Oh great here he comes again. Just so people know, this guy above hates SOE and anything SOE. He hasn't played EQ1 in quite a long time so he has absolutely no idea what the game is like. He's one of those folks still living back in the classic EQ days and wishing the game never changed.
Yeah I know, I wish gas price is still 10 cents/gallon and price of food hasn't gone up either.
Personally, my first 5 years I spent in EQ1 and had an awesome time. Quit the game for 5 years and just recently went back to it, and having just about as much fun as before. Of course I live in reality and play games if they are fun for me. I don't go around having some sort of high moral grounds limiting games to play based on artificial pixelated items that don't boost your characters in any shape or form ingame (station cash, LoN, etc..).
I'd still encourage folks to try the game out if they choose to, and not worry about what folks that quit years ago say.
I love you too Mardy. Just so you know Mardy and I always disagree. It goes both ways, Mardy is always pro Sony/Everquest.
I love you too Mardy. Just so you know Mardy and I always disagree. It goes both ways, Mardy is always pro Sony/Everquest.
Might want to check on that, I'm not Pro-EQ2, Vanguard, and SWG, and have been disappointed at SOE's direction on their newer games. I'm also against SOE re-allocating resources to develop The Agency, Free Realms, and DCUO when games like EQ1 and Vanguard can use resources to enhance and improve their games.
However, I am pro-EQ1, so on that part you are correct. See, I'm not against the changes they've made to EQ1, I actually like how EQ1 devs evolved the game so the game has been able to survive for 10+ years.
You on the other hand have been against the changes ever since...Luclin? At least based on your "cat" people comments. I mean seriously, 8 years ago, that's a long time ago. It's one thing to dislike the game, it's another to continue on a crusade against changes dating back to 8 years ago. We can safely say you dislike the game, have been for 8 years. Most people tend to move on after a year of ranting about it. It's different with you, because you're here warning people of changes dating back 8 years ago when they implemented Luclin & PoP. I mean seiorusly...
I think most people can judge whether they like a game on their own, rather be warned repeatedly about changes dating back 8 years ago. It's one thing to have played a game recently and know what the game is like now, and make your own judgements and opinions on it, talk about what you dislike, etc.. It's quite another to rant about changes done from so long ago, that honestly people playing the game today probably don't even care to know what EQ was like back in 1999-2000. Many just want to know what the game is like today, and what improvements they've made to the game.
I love you too Mardy. Just so you know Mardy and I always disagree. It goes both ways, Mardy is always pro Sony/Everquest.
Might want to check on that, I'm not Pro-EQ2, Vanguard, and SWG, and have been disappointed at SOE's direction on their newer games. I'm also against SOE re-allocating resources to develop The Agency, Free Realms, and DCUO when games like EQ1 and Vanguard can use resources to enhance and improve their games.
However, I am pro-EQ1, so on that part you are correct. See, I'm not against the changes they've made to EQ1, I actually like how EQ1 devs evolved the game so the game has been able to survive for 10+ years.
You on the other hand have been against the changes ever since...Luclin? At least based on your "cat" people comments. I mean seriously, 8 years ago, that's a long time ago. It's one thing to dislike the game, it's another to continue on a crusade against changes dating back to 8 years ago. We can safely say you dislike the game, have been for 8 years. Most people tend to move on after a year of ranting about it. It's different with you, because you're here warning people of changes dating back 8 years ago when they implemented Luclin & PoP. I mean seiorusly...
Try to make it out as a crusade all you want. I enjoy MMOs and I enjoy reading and participating in MMORPG.com. If a topic comes up that I feel I have an opinion on or something to add, such as this one which asked a question. I do believe I will post. That is what we are here for to post our opinions and discuss things. You feel Everquest made changes you like, I feel Everquest made changes I dislike. There is no need to try to disprove someone else's opinions by trying to turn their opinions into some ludicrous propraganda crusade.
I agree to disagree with you. I have already stated all the changes I dislike about the game and I feel someone trying to decide whether or not to play the game should not. I still like you Mardy, have fun in Everquest if that is what you enjoy. : )
I have played World of Warcraft (my first mmo experience) since open beta and have really enjoyed the time I have spent playing it. As it happens I (along with many others) am ready to move on and try something different. I remember when WoW was first released how people spoke of Everquest and many other mmorpg titles, comparing/contrasting, bitching/praising and so on. Much of what was said was spoken of with great passion both positve and negative and I don't think I ever came away from EQ discussions with anything useful.
I see that EQ 1 is still around so I was curious if there are players who have played both and chose EQ over WoW and why. Thanks in advance to those who respond. I've heard a great deal about this mmo and am very much interested to hear what you guys have to say.
thx and have a good day
Judging by the question,i take it you have no idea that WOW was created as a pure copy of EQ.
Would you like it?maybe not if you are bound to never giving up your high level players in WOW,witch is pretty much the reason players never leave a game.Wow has its own very weak section of PVP,if that is what you are into,but EQ2 is a better looking game with more realistic graphics and has better in depth mechanics,however keep in mind WOW is a copy so not a lot is different.
What i have found the majority of WOW players enjoy is bragging.By that i mean they like their simpler catch on MOUNTS,they like to sit on them in towns and show off/brag,when in reality,very simplistic means to a game.They like to raid to gods end on bought accounts or speed level accounts ,for the sheer purpose of gaining gear that might enable them to again show off in PVP or brag,whatever happens that day.
If none of any of that made sense,then the easier way to sum it up is the EQ community was more into community than WOW.I was there the day both Q2 and WOW launched and the community in EQ2 was sure whining about changes from EQ1,the WOW community was just outright childish,something many gamers wanted no part of.
To again sum it up,why would anyone want to support Blizzard and there cheaper version of Everquest?makes no sense to me why they would,but then again not much makes sense in the real world to begin with.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
To again sum it up,why would anyone want to support Blizzard and there cheaper version of Everquest?makes no sense to me why they would,but then again not much makes sense in the real world to begin with.
Wow...It's been a long time since I've seen such true words spoken on mmorpg.com. I completely agree with that.
To again sum it up,why would anyone want to support Blizzard and there cheaper version of Everquest?makes no sense to me why they would,but then again not much makes sense in the real world to begin with.
I trust Blizzard more than SOE, end of story.
Edit: As a former WoW player, I did not like EQ1, it's too outdated imo.
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Have you played EQ since they added the item shops? There is nothing in it that is needed. There is some exp potions and things like that and fluff items like spells to change the way your weapons look but again, nothing at all needed.
Here is the thing. Leveling in EQ1 was made MUCH easier. Sony really dumbed down the game and has an entire new starting area. You cant choose the old world starting areas anymore. You can still get to them from the plane of knowledge but you dont start out in them anymore. It seems there are people in this new starting area so it is possible to get a group right off the bat. If you have all the expansion packs, the last one allows you to hire a merc pet to run around with you. Either a warrior or healer type and they do pretty dang good.
Now the bad. The graphics and animations are bad compared to todays games. Combat is Very slow paced compared to wow. So if you expecting to kill stuff in 10 seconds, forget it, it wont happen. Combat in that game playing solo can take easily 1-2 minutes per fight and when you get higher level, you still have the downtime to worry about when regaining mana (if your a casting class).
So would I suggest EQ1 to a wow player. Well that depends. If you didnt like wow and want to try something different. Then yeah, I say go for it. If you liked wow though and are just tired of it, I doubt you would like EQ1 in its current state. Its just to outdated for most people.
I will not pay a subscription with an item shop in a game no matter the items. I think if you are paying a sub you should be able to get all items in game no matter what they are. Why play that old game which I believe is broken beyond belief from it's original design. Everyone forced to start in one new area? So how does having all these newbie starting areas in the game even make sense? That doesn't sound like an immersive world to me. Sounds like a jumbled together mess. The whole experience/world doesn't seem cohesive at all.
I would much rather go to a another subscription based game without an item shop tacted on to milk the players further. Other games give you all items in the game, even fluff for your sub. So instead of the rested xp route like in WoW to boost xp, they opt for xp potions from an item shop? That is exactly what happens with a game that has an item shop. Instead of developing ways to solve percieved problems that is included with your sub they will solve with a paid option. Why put in rested xp if you can make your players buy potions for your virtual item shop?
I stand by my original statement, avoid this game.
EQ1 never had rested exp to begin with so what does it matter if they put an xp potion in a shop or not? With the exception of the potions, the items in the shop do not really give you anything. For armor and weapons, all you get is potions to make your armor/weapons LOOK like something you could get from somewhere else in the game. No stat changes or anything like that, just an illusion only. All I can say is get over your phobia about item shops, at least in EQ1 as there is nothing there that is worth it unless you just want to spend extra cash.
As for the old game. The old worlds are still there and are still exactly as they were when the game launched, with the exception of some additions of quest npc's and some instances they have added for groups. Its obvious you have never played EQ1 or you wouldnt even try to talk about how having multiple starting areas is not immersive, due to the fact that the lore of the game was written for each of those areas. I do hate the fact that they changed that and put in 1 starting area but I can see why they did it as it will make it easier to group in a game that requires you to group for most classes.
Oh, and to cover your little xp potion problem. EQ1 put in hot zones for all level ranges. These "hot zones" give double xp while you are in them, so in essence, if you go to these zones, you are getting the equivalent of rested xp. So they in fact DO give you xp boosts without you having to purchase anything from the item shop. Care to try again?
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
WoW got 4 years out of me, EQ got all of 6 days.
EQ was the 1st MMO I tried.... As a said above I played for about 6 days, before uninstalling the game.
FFXI was the next and I played that for 3 months, Forced grouping and not being able to find a group killed that game for me.
WoW was the 3rd MMO I tried.... I just bored of it now, after 4 years of playing it.
@ OP
Could a WoW Player like EQ... Maybe, but I doubt it.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
I have in these post and other post not going to go through it again. Just because you feel it is okay to have a monthly fee + item shops in your game doesn't mean everyone does. It is the principle of the matter.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
I have in these post and other post not going to go through it again. Just because you feel it is okay to have a monthly fee + item shops in your game doesn't mean everyone does. It is the principle of the matter.
Ahh, I am seeing the light now. The game hasnt been ruined, your just opposed to having an item shop in a game that you pay a monthly fee in. Why didnt you just say that instead of saying the game was ruined? Hey, I agree with you that item shops shouldnt be in a pay to play game however if the item shop is not giving you in game items then it really is a non issue as it does not effect you and your enjoyment of the game. Next time, instead of trying to trash a game because of your hate for item shops, you really need to find out whats in those item shops before you go on a crusade to try and trash that game.
You feel it is a good game. I feel they ruined it with item shop greed, the real life card game with in game items, and completely changing the game. Our opinions will not change.
To the contrary, I feel the game is not as good a game as it once was. Not because of the item shop but because they decided to WoWify the game so that people wouldnt find the game "to hard". Your opinion is not opinion, its just biased. I have explained to you that there is nothing in the item shop that is needed, just Illusion type potions and some xp potions. You have repeatedly said that it has ruined the game by having it in there, which I still doubt you ever played eq1 to begin with, yet you still bash the game because of the item shop yet the item shop gives 0 advantage to anyone and is not needed at all to enjoy the game. So please, explain to me how the item shop has ruined anyones experience in the game when it offers nothing but fluff items for someone to spend money on if they want to.
Edit note: Look, I agree with you partially. but not because of bias. I do believe that if you have an item shop then the game should be F2P. However, if your going to do that, then you must put items in the shop worth having. Since eq1 did not do that, then I see no problem with it as it is.
Believe what you will. I really don't care if you think I played the game or not. Opinions are just that opinions, they can not be wrong or right. In my opinion all I have listed is why the game is ruined.
If you really believe the game has been "ruined" then you need to explain how and why that is. Just saying an item shop is in the game does not mean the game is ruined. List examples. Show me and the rest of the mmo world why the game has been ruined by this item shop and please go into detail. Remember, other people are reading this and I am sure they would like to know as well because so far, the only thing that you have said ruined the game is the item shop yet you have not given reasons why that is other than its there.
I have in these post and other post not going to go through it again. Just because you feel it is okay to have a monthly fee + item shops in your game doesn't mean everyone does. It is the principle of the matter.
Ahh, I am seeing the light now. The game hasnt been ruined, your just opposed to having an item shop in a game that you pay a monthly fee in. Why didnt you just say that instead of saying the game was ruined? Hey, I agree with you that item shops shouldnt be in a pay to play game however if the item shop is not giving you in game items then it really is a non issue as it does not effect you and your enjoyment of the game. Next time, instead of trying to trash a game because of your hate for item shops, you really need to find out whats in those item shops before you go on a crusade to try and trash that game.
No. I have listed many other reasons in past threads to why the game is ruined as you did as well. The death penalties have basically been removed, leveling through the old world made trivial, important class mechanics trivalized over the years (wizard/druid ports, rogue pulling corpses, cleric/warrior via mercs, Enchanter buffs illusions trivalized with ooc regen and giving everyone illusions), lore ruined, cats in space, poorly designed instant travel and bazaar, faction trivalized, mix matched graphics throughout the game, and the list goes on. It isn't the same game anymore it is a broken ugly shell of what it once was.
The item shop is just poop on top of the cake.
Oh great here he comes again. Just so people know, this guy above hates SOE and anything SOE. He hasn't played EQ1 in quite a long time so he has absolutely no idea what the game is like. He's one of those folks still living back in the classic EQ days and wishing the game never changed.
Yeah I know, I wish gas price is still 10 cents/gallon and price of food hasn't gone up either.
Personally, my first 5 years I spent in EQ1 and had an awesome time. Quit the game for 5 years and just recently went back to it, and having just about as much fun as before. Of course I live in reality and play games if they are fun for me. I don't go around having some sort of high moral grounds limiting games to play based on artificial pixelated items that don't boost your characters in any shape or form ingame (station cash, LoN, etc..).
I'd still encourage folks to try the game out if they choose to, and not worry about what folks that quit years ago say.
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I love you too Mardy. Just so you know Mardy and I always disagree. It goes both ways, Mardy is always pro Sony/Everquest.
Might want to check on that, I'm not Pro-EQ2, Vanguard, and SWG, and have been disappointed at SOE's direction on their newer games. I'm also against SOE re-allocating resources to develop The Agency, Free Realms, and DCUO when games like EQ1 and Vanguard can use resources to enhance and improve their games.
However, I am pro-EQ1, so on that part you are correct. See, I'm not against the changes they've made to EQ1, I actually like how EQ1 devs evolved the game so the game has been able to survive for 10+ years.
You on the other hand have been against the changes ever since...Luclin? At least based on your "cat" people comments. I mean seriously, 8 years ago, that's a long time ago. It's one thing to dislike the game, it's another to continue on a crusade against changes dating back to 8 years ago. We can safely say you dislike the game, have been for 8 years. Most people tend to move on after a year of ranting about it. It's different with you, because you're here warning people of changes dating back 8 years ago when they implemented Luclin & PoP. I mean seiorusly...
I think most people can judge whether they like a game on their own, rather be warned repeatedly about changes dating back 8 years ago. It's one thing to have played a game recently and know what the game is like now, and make your own judgements and opinions on it, talk about what you dislike, etc.. It's quite another to rant about changes done from so long ago, that honestly people playing the game today probably don't even care to know what EQ was like back in 1999-2000. Many just want to know what the game is like today, and what improvements they've made to the game.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
Might want to check on that, I'm not Pro-EQ2, Vanguard, and SWG, and have been disappointed at SOE's direction on their newer games. I'm also against SOE re-allocating resources to develop The Agency, Free Realms, and DCUO when games like EQ1 and Vanguard can use resources to enhance and improve their games.
However, I am pro-EQ1, so on that part you are correct. See, I'm not against the changes they've made to EQ1, I actually like how EQ1 devs evolved the game so the game has been able to survive for 10+ years.
You on the other hand have been against the changes ever since...Luclin? At least based on your "cat" people comments. I mean seriously, 8 years ago, that's a long time ago. It's one thing to dislike the game, it's another to continue on a crusade against changes dating back to 8 years ago. We can safely say you dislike the game, have been for 8 years. Most people tend to move on after a year of ranting about it. It's different with you, because you're here warning people of changes dating back 8 years ago when they implemented Luclin & PoP. I mean seiorusly...
Try to make it out as a crusade all you want. I enjoy MMOs and I enjoy reading and participating in MMORPG.com. If a topic comes up that I feel I have an opinion on or something to add, such as this one which asked a question. I do believe I will post. That is what we are here for to post our opinions and discuss things. You feel Everquest made changes you like, I feel Everquest made changes I dislike. There is no need to try to disprove someone else's opinions by trying to turn their opinions into some ludicrous propraganda crusade.
I agree to disagree with you. I have already stated all the changes I dislike about the game and I feel someone trying to decide whether or not to play the game should not. I still like you Mardy, have fun in Everquest if that is what you enjoy. : )
Judging by the question,i take it you have no idea that WOW was created as a pure copy of EQ.
Would you like it?maybe not if you are bound to never giving up your high level players in WOW,witch is pretty much the reason players never leave a game.Wow has its own very weak section of PVP,if that is what you are into,but EQ2 is a better looking game with more realistic graphics and has better in depth mechanics,however keep in mind WOW is a copy so not a lot is different.
What i have found the majority of WOW players enjoy is bragging.By that i mean they like their simpler catch on MOUNTS,they like to sit on them in towns and show off/brag,when in reality,very simplistic means to a game.They like to raid to gods end on bought accounts or speed level accounts ,for the sheer purpose of gaining gear that might enable them to again show off in PVP or brag,whatever happens that day.
If none of any of that made sense,then the easier way to sum it up is the EQ community was more into community than WOW.I was there the day both Q2 and WOW launched and the community in EQ2 was sure whining about changes from EQ1,the WOW community was just outright childish,something many gamers wanted no part of.
To again sum it up,why would anyone want to support Blizzard and there cheaper version of Everquest?makes no sense to me why they would,but then again not much makes sense in the real world to begin with.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Wow...It's been a long time since I've seen such true words spoken on mmorpg.com. I completely agree with that.
I trust Blizzard more than SOE, end of story.
Edit: As a former WoW player, I did not like EQ1, it's too outdated imo.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft