All MMO's have their "grind", WoW just did a better job (early on) of disguising it. They gave you easy levels (that you have to grind in other MMO's, like L2) to create the perception that there was no grind then they threw out the carrot, "if you want this cool stuff you just need to get rep with faction X!" or, Honor.
Anyone with more than a handful of "exalted" reps with different factions has spent more time getting them than they did to get to max level.
And really, after you've dinged max level and cleared the dungeons in the game 25 or more times (and 20+ of those you probably did repeatedly primarily for the rep), what else is there to do?
You don't grind levels in WoW, you grind Rep and/or Honor. It's their "hook".
You want the a drake mount in BC, go grind for a month strait.
Really? I got myself a nice drake mount just by doing a couple of timed CoT strat runs. Total time spent - maybe an hour and a half?
All the main faction WoTLK faction reputations are easy for anyone who enjoys running instances. The only real grind is Hodir rep for the shoulder enchant - but even that's been simplified considerably with the ability to hand in relics for reputation.
All the important faction reputations are much much easier to get than factions were in Vanilla or TBC. Of course - there are still tasks out there that take a long time (e.g. some achievements) - but almost all of those are almost completely optional. And to me it's much better to always have plenty more things to do in a game than to run out of stuff to do.
Interesting you got a Drake from running timed Strat when timed Strat wasn't there in Burning Crusade. Let me guess you just started playing WoW and you are trying to make like you know everything about it?
WoW is total grind, pve grind or pvp grind don't matter what one. Go kill hundreds or thousands of the same thing to get your relics to get your shoulder enchants, have fun.
You want a Motorcycle? be prepared to grind for MONTHS, unless you are smart like me and make 4000g a day in the auction house for 30 min work. I am the anti grinder.
Man can you even read? Where did he say he did timed CoT during BC???
You obviously haven't played WoW during the WotLK expansion at all, so frankly, it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about. There have been a lot of changes in game to how reputation is gained, and what Antipathy said, is all true, as far as how gaining faction is very simple now. You wear the tabard of the faction that you want to gain with and just run some lvl 80 dungeons or heroics (which you're going to be running ANYWAY for loot). What's the big deal in that?
Besides....the whole idea of "grinding" is truly a subjective thing. Something becomes a "grind" when you don't like it, basically. I don't feel like I'm grinding at all. Of course I like making easy money with dailies and I'm in a raid guild, so the running instances and raids for rep thing is as easy as breathing. There's no grind TO IT.
Grind for MONTHS for the motorcycle??? WTF? Who has to DO that? Don't WEAR a tabard, run lvl 80 instances and heroics, and blammo....rep achieved. That's the faction your rep automatically defaults to when you don't WEAR a tabard. Maybe you didn't know that.....
Dude....you probably need to just take a break from WoW or leave it entirely if you think the game is grinding at THIS point. They've made it so easy to get rep now you can almost do it in your sleep.
The grind in WoW has changed a lot. Just looking at the factions:
In classic WoW, we had option to do few very long grinds with reputations, but pretty shitty rewards at the end.
In TBC, we had to do certain grinds in order to advance in the game. We had lots more factions to grind, but each took considerably less time than in the classic. Rewards varied a lot, but generally a lot better than in classic.
In WoTLK, we again had lots of different factions to grind, which took a lot less time per faction than in TBC, rewards were also better.
From personal experience, WoTLK so far (played till the last boss of Ulduar) the grind was a lot less than in TBC. It took considerable time investment at the start, but once you got past Heroics, you only had to spend 5-8 hours raiding a week. If you knew how to make money in the game with AH, you never had to grind a thing.
Last few months, I only logged on for raids. And for few WG / Arena matches, but probably spend less than 10 hours a week. Only daily quests I did were fishing, cooking and jewelcrafting.
Btw, the best thing about WoW is that ýou could avoid most grinds simply by playing smart. Just enjoy those thousands of sheeps doing all the work and pick up your rewards from AH. Grind reputations if you must, but unless you are an achievement addict, they mean very little (with exception Sons of Hodir and Kirin Tor)
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
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All MMO's have their "grind", WoW just did a better job (early on) of disguising it. They gave you easy levels (that you have to grind in other MMO's, like L2) to create the perception that there was no grind then they threw out the carrot, "if you want this cool stuff you just need to get rep with faction X!" or, Honor.
Anyone with more than a handful of "exalted" reps with different factions has spent more time getting them than they did to get to max level.
And really, after you've dinged max level and cleared the dungeons in the game 25 or more times (and 20+ of those you probably did repeatedly primarily for the rep), what else is there to do?
You don't grind levels in WoW, you grind Rep and/or Honor. It's their "hook".
Really? I got myself a nice drake mount just by doing a couple of timed CoT strat runs. Total time spent - maybe an hour and a half?
All the main faction WoTLK faction reputations are easy for anyone who enjoys running instances. The only real grind is Hodir rep for the shoulder enchant - but even that's been simplified considerably with the ability to hand in relics for reputation.
All the important faction reputations are much much easier to get than factions were in Vanilla or TBC. Of course - there are still tasks out there that take a long time (e.g. some achievements) - but almost all of those are almost completely optional. And to me it's much better to always have plenty more things to do in a game than to run out of stuff to do.
Interesting you got a Drake from running timed Strat when timed Strat wasn't there in Burning Crusade. Let me guess you just started playing WoW and you are trying to make like you know everything about it?
WoW is total grind, pve grind or pvp grind don't matter what one. Go kill hundreds or thousands of the same thing to get your relics to get your shoulder enchants, have fun.
You want a Motorcycle? be prepared to grind for MONTHS, unless you are smart like me and make 4000g a day in the auction house for 30 min work. I am the anti grinder.
Man can you even read? Where did he say he did timed CoT during BC???
You obviously haven't played WoW during the WotLK expansion at all, so frankly, it's you who doesn't know what you're talking about. There have been a lot of changes in game to how reputation is gained, and what Antipathy said, is all true, as far as how gaining faction is very simple now. You wear the tabard of the faction that you want to gain with and just run some lvl 80 dungeons or heroics (which you're going to be running ANYWAY for loot). What's the big deal in that?
Besides....the whole idea of "grinding" is truly a subjective thing. Something becomes a "grind" when you don't like it, basically. I don't feel like I'm grinding at all. Of course I like making easy money with dailies and I'm in a raid guild, so the running instances and raids for rep thing is as easy as breathing. There's no grind TO IT.
Grind for MONTHS for the motorcycle??? WTF? Who has to DO that? Don't WEAR a tabard, run lvl 80 instances and heroics, and blammo....rep achieved. That's the faction your rep automatically defaults to when you don't WEAR a tabard. Maybe you didn't know that.....
Dude....you probably need to just take a break from WoW or leave it entirely if you think the game is grinding at THIS point. They've made it so easy to get rep now you can almost do it in your sleep.
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My problem with WoW is not only the continual grind, but also that the game is just so shallow. It has no depth at all.
Note: using the term "grind" very loosely here.
The grind in WoW has changed a lot. Just looking at the factions:
In classic WoW, we had option to do few very long grinds with reputations, but pretty shitty rewards at the end.
In TBC, we had to do certain grinds in order to advance in the game. We had lots more factions to grind, but each took considerably less time than in the classic. Rewards varied a lot, but generally a lot better than in classic.
In WoTLK, we again had lots of different factions to grind, which took a lot less time per faction than in TBC, rewards were also better.
From personal experience, WoTLK so far (played till the last boss of Ulduar) the grind was a lot less than in TBC. It took considerable time investment at the start, but once you got past Heroics, you only had to spend 5-8 hours raiding a week. If you knew how to make money in the game with AH, you never had to grind a thing.
Last few months, I only logged on for raids. And for few WG / Arena matches, but probably spend less than 10 hours a week. Only daily quests I did were fishing, cooking and jewelcrafting.
Btw, the best thing about WoW is that ýou could avoid most grinds simply by playing smart. Just enjoy those thousands of sheeps doing all the work and pick up your rewards from AH. Grind reputations if you must, but unless you are an achievement addict, they mean very little (with exception Sons of Hodir and Kirin Tor)
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."