Well, he sure made alot more "sence" than you did. next time how 'bout you try this:
A. Proper spelling and punctuation go a long way in forum discussions. You might be able to SPEAK like that to your friends and they will understand you, but to be taken seriously in text form you should really try to communicate clearly.
B. Instead of telling someone to STFU because they express their opinion about something, you could try explaining to them that yes, it IS very repetitive through your first 20 levels (I thought it was), and yes like most games the models are generally very similar (once again, I thought this was true), but once you get out of the "Tutorial" levels things get better.
C. Yelling NOOB really doesn't do much to help your case. I am not sure where this fascination with the idiotic term came from, but I am pretty sure EVERYONE here was or is fairly new in the world of Aion. So, relax a bit, have your mom make you another PB&J, and tell all of us lesser beings how wrong we are and why without the attempts at insults.
Watch this... I think this game has alot in common with Warhammer. I also thought Warhammer lacked.. well, most things. Don't like it? Tough. Don't try to tell people how to think, present your opinion as to how they are mistaken, why, and move on. If your feelings are hurt because someone else doesn't like your game as much as you I have news for you. The real world is going to eat you alive.
Also I didn't get anything from his post that said he wants it all and he wants it now just because he expected to see a difference when changing his armor. I don't see why expecting your level 10 gear to look atleast noticably different from your level 20 gear is such a hateful idea. Part of the enjoyment for many people is having a bit of variety in your gear. I also thought the same thing when I equipped a fancy green drop I got. I wonder what this is going to look like! Oh... it's almost exactly the same. Now this is something that is similar in almost every game I've played. But thankfully, no matter how similar my gear has ever been in any game, it has never been as bad as a helmet and matching shoulder armor with big rolling eyeballs in it..
I also thought DP was disappointing. How in THE hell am I going to get to use that skill? I thought. Thanks to you, I NOW know that through PVP the DP is going to rise much faster. Thank you. Of course, you could have made a productive post that included that knowledge for us "NOOB" morons, but instead you felt that insults were necessary.
Heres an idea. Since I am pretty sure EVERYONE is a troll compared to you, just don't respond to anyone. That way there is plenty of room for constructive comments.
Have to agree with StringBoi on this factor. Although the initial stages of the game didn't really 'sparkle' for me, in respect of quests. Once level 20 and above is achieved, it really does start to open up. Almost to the point of breathing fresh enjoyment into the gameplay that definatly encourages you to explore more and maybe even settle down to enjoy the environment. I plan on ordering this game and playing from the word go from what i have seen and enjoyed so far. Most definatly a thumbs up from me so far !
One thing that did bother me while playing, and perhaps some of you can help me out.. Flying. I was so damn excited to get those wings and then what happens? I am in a zone that doesn't allow flying. So I wander a bit, find a place I can fly. Lovin' it. Move on to the next area. No flying. Really? Dammit man where CAN I fly lol.. For some reason I expected to be able to fly in most areas of the game. Stupid of me to assume I know, and I haven't seen much of the game world yet, so is there much in the way of flying through the zones or is it really only an Abyss thing?
Oh yeah and I still like this game. Still going to play it at release. So please, this isn't a personal attack on those people who LOVE the game, just a question.
I think of it this way when it comes to Aion: Aion was designed for a Korean (eastern) audience, not you, you are being allowed to play Aion out of the kindness of Plaync's heart. You already have the perfect MMO for you, stay with that, and don't complain about our MMO.
NCSoft is spending millions of dollars converting "your MMO" to "our MMO" not out of the kindness of their heart but because they want our money. Besides that, I seem to remember that "our MMO" is pretty popular in "your part" of the world.
The person in question is not complaining, he is providing his review. If you disagree with his points, address them. Otherwise, there is no reason for being nasty.
One thing that did bother me while playing, and perhaps some of you can help me out.. Flying. I was so damn excited to get those wings and then what happens? I am in a zone that doesn't allow flying. So I wander a bit, find a place I can fly. Lovin' it. Move on to the next area. No flying. Really? Dammit man where CAN I fly lol.. For some reason I expected to be able to fly in most areas of the game. Stupid of me to assume I know, and I haven't seen much of the game world yet, so is there much in the way of flying through the zones or is it really only an Abyss thing? Oh yeah and I still like this game. Still going to play it at release. So please, this isn't a personal attack on those people who LOVE the game, just a question.
Most pve based zones I encountered so far restrict flying. Zones where pvp is available seem to be free-fly.
IMO the restricted flyzones are to avoid people exploiting the gamemechanic by bypassing mobs or something. In the end Aion is still a mostly 2D (maybe earthbound better term) based game with flying attached to it . If you ever played a hide/invis class in other mmorpgs and youre able to run through a large part of instances/dungeons unharmed, you know the power of that. Additionally its not easy to programm a mob AI for 3D in a mmorpg. They dont even managed to create a flying pet for the Spiritmaster and I bet one of the reasons is because of problems implementing it.
i ve found the opening levels on most mmos to be very much the same thing . very simple quests usually entailing finding something or killing something . these areas are essentially tutorials . warcraft has the same thing . you may be able to start in different locations but the quests are very much the same in each location . unlike some people in these forums i dont think wow is a bad game but i dont like the way its gone in the last couple of years . blizzard have made it far too easy to appeal to younger players and they ve been very successful in attracting them . unfortunatly this has made the wow community like a virtual schoolyeard . if aion offers less forgiving gameplay so much the better .
the op may be correct but at level 18 i dont think hes experianced enough of the game ( and remember it is in beta ) to really understand what its potential is . at level 18 in warcraft you really only just learning what your character can do . you would nt have played any pvp beyond a dual or two . its doubtful you would have done an instance . you knowlage of crafting if its your first character is very limited .
what people forget is what its like when its a new game . when your starting an alt in wow or whatever mmo you play . you know a lot of whats ahead so you have a different view of it .
one weekend ( maybe 2 ) in a beta really is nt enough time to make any sweeping judgement either way .
One thing that did bother me while playing, and perhaps some of you can help me out.. Flying. I was so damn excited to get those wings and then what happens? I am in a zone that doesn't allow flying. So I wander a bit, find a place I can fly. Lovin' it. Move on to the next area. No flying. Really? Dammit man where CAN I fly lol.. For some reason I expected to be able to fly in most areas of the game. Stupid of me to assume I know, and I haven't seen much of the game world yet, so is there much in the way of flying through the zones or is it really only an Abyss thing? Oh yeah and I still like this game. Still going to play it at release. So please, this isn't a personal attack on those people who LOVE the game, just a question.
Most pve based zones I encountered so far restrict flying. Zones where pvp is available seem to be free-fly.
IMO the restricted flyzones are to avoid people exploiting the gamemechanic by bypassing mobs or something. In the end Aion is still a mostly 2D (maybe earthbound better term) based game with flying attached to it . If you ever played a hide/invis class in other mmorpgs and youre able to run through a large part of instances/dungeons unharmed, you know the power of that. Additionally its not easy to programm a mob AI for 3D in a mmorpg. They dont even managed to create a flying pet for the Spiritmaster and I bet one of the reasons is because of problems implementing it.
That was pretty much what I was thinking as well. How easy it would be to just fly from quest mob to quest mob, completely ignoring all the rough stuff in-between! It isn't a deal breaker for me, but I was expecting a bit more of an open world. More than likely tho it won't even be an issue once the game is released and I am up there PVP'n most of the time. Thanks for your imput.
The only issue is the basic premise of the entire thread...
An individual doesn't like something or find it fun. Then writes a post about how its some universallly broken thing or a company doesn't "get it".
That's why when I write opinion threads/posts I try to state it as that.
I will play Aion for a while and then I will move on. This is because Aion is not the type of design I would play for 5 years.... However, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Aion. Its just the design they chose to go with and there may be more people who like it than don't (or it may be like most of the other recently released titles).
That's my only issue with the post... its about a personal opinion but the title is stated as if its not from a subjective point of view (aka fact).
Here. I only have 2 posts here. Big difference. And it isn't only your inability (or lack of desire) to spell, but your lack of punctuation and structure as well. To top it all off, your post lacked constructive commentary. What constructive comments you DID have got lost in your insults. Then you post a reply to mine but fail to respond to.. well... ANYTHING. I wonder, who is the troll?
By the way, I don't use a spell checker. I often misspell words. Generally I don't worry about it, but if you are going to take the time out of your apparently very busy schedule to bag on someone for their OPINION about a GAME on a forum..
One thing that did bother me while playing, and perhaps some of you can help me out.. Flying. I was so damn excited to get those wings and then what happens? I am in a zone that doesn't allow flying. So I wander a bit, find a place I can fly. Lovin' it. Move on to the next area. No flying. Really? Dammit man where CAN I fly lol.. For some reason I expected to be able to fly in most areas of the game. Stupid of me to assume I know, and I haven't seen much of the game world yet, so is there much in the way of flying through the zones or is it really only an Abyss thing? Oh yeah and I still like this game. Still going to play it at release. So please, this isn't a personal attack on those people who LOVE the game, just a question.
If you notice, flying is able only in areas with gateways to the PvPvE regions, Aether-heavy areas. It's the magic from Aether that enables full-on flight in Daevas. Still, I love the gliding aspect. Once I got the hang of extending a glide, it's saved a lot of time in-game.
To the OP. I'm sorry you don't like the game. As for me I'm having a blast. I absolutely don't agree with the majority of what you are saying. From what I hear almost everyone has something to say about how it's a clone of whatever game they hold dearest in their hearts. I personally find it rather close to L2 and less like WoW that many say. I've also heard it's similar to other games. It all depends where they came from. I don't know exactly what you are advocating, it seems you want it to be completely soloable or duoable, for the equipment to be amazing very early on, and to have huge amounts of skills in the first few steps of the game. I don't know exactly where you came from but that would make a rather short... and very boring game if they gave you the carrot THAT early on. As for quests.. there's more than enough. I've not once run out of stuff to do. To all they're own I guess.
To the OP. I'm sorry you don't like the game. As for me I'm having a blast. I absolutely don't agree with the majority of what you are saying. From what I hear almost everyone has something to say about how it's a clone of whatever game they hold dearest in their hearts. I personally find it rather close to L2 and less like WoW that many say. I've also heard it's similar to other games. It all depends where they came from. I don't know exactly what you are advocating, it seems you want it to be completely soloable or duoable, for the equipment to be amazing very early on, and to have huge amounts of skills in the first few steps of the game. I don't know exactly where you came from but that would make a rather short... and very boring game if they gave you the carrot THAT early on. As for quests.. there's more than enough. I've not once run out of stuff to do. To all they're own I guess.
Unfortunately, you're wrong. There is something fundamentally wrong with a game that takes a time investment of 10+ hours to "start getting good", and this MMORPG is not the first offender.
Originally posted by LogothX Unfortunately, you're wrong. There is something fundamentally wrong with a game that takes a time investment of 10+ hours to "start getting good", and this MMORPG is not the first offender.
No one is "wrong." It's your opinion. Personally I like the game from the start. When the release comes, I will have no problem doing the same quests again, that I've been doing in the betas. Because I have fun. If you don't have fun, that's ok. I could honestly care less. But for me (and a lot of others) the game is fun from the second we create a new character.
You can't be serious about expecting Aion to be something new. This game is WoW clone with wings and amazing graphics. I'm no WoW fan i hate WoW completely but in my opinion Aion is WoW clone with upgraded graphics and wings. Why is it a WoW clone? Endless grinding, Point and Click gameplay like any asian mmos out there, repetitive quests and ofcourse quests will end at some lvl and you are forced to grind a lvl to get new quest. I enjoyed the game only cause of the graphics and wing thing other than that it's useless but i got bored after 1 week. So my tip for you is to move too Mortal Online a fps gameplay with unreal 3 engine graphics meaning new graphics to me the graphics in that game look almost realisitc and much better than Aion. Anyways if you dont like point and click games your only offer is and note that all these games use unreal engine which means no point and click gameplay but amazing graphics and use mouse to do primary attak secondary attack so its fast paced gameplay finally! Wait for Mortal Online to come out which comes out 13th-14th july i dont know but pre-order opens 13th july and appairently anybody who pre-orders the game will get free beta access and the game is p2p but totally worth it. Wait for blade & soul to come out and that game is going to be f2p but most likely not come to us in years. Wait for tera online which will be p2p comes out in a few years. Wait for C9 which will be f2p comes out in a few years Wait for dragon nest which will be f2p comes out in a few years.
Obviously your best choice is Mortal Online or Blade & Soul, Mortal Online is awesome and they actually have a rick roll beta footage that is april joke but it's so awesome it shows some funny bugs but also shows the amazing graphics and footage it has to offer so there you go even when the game is at its buggiest it is amazing haha.
I think its more of a Lineage 2 clone myself. not to mention wow its self is made up of pieces of many games.
personally for me i loved lvling from lvl 1 - 10(which a lot of games i think its stupid) the environment, the quests, even the skills early on are pretty cool to look at. obviously u are just a stick in the mud and maybe shoudl think about taking a break from mmos for a while?
At level 17 (Elyos), my wife and I ran out of quests to do, except for the elite mob quests. These mobs require you to be grouped to kill, no exceptions. We figured since we were both 17, then we should be able to kill the level 16 elites or something (she's a sorceror btw). No freaking way without a healer. Each mob seemed to be designed for a full group. Since we don't care to group up with anyone except ourselves unless we're running instances or similar, we thought this was a bit retarded.
I just don't get your objection to having to reach beyond your comfort zone and, oh... I dunno, actually embrace the "MM" part of a "MMORPG" (especially during quests that are designed for full group play).
What exactly would you have NCsoft do to fix this? How would you change it? I mean, 'cause if you're going to complain about not being able to clear a group area with only two people, then what's your ideal fix? Weaken the mobs and make it easily completed in a duo? *Really* weaken them and make the area soloable?
I found the requirement to group for these quests a welcome change (I was actually fearing that the game was too easy to solo stuff and little more than a Online SP experience... though I had read otherwise). Frankly, it was nice to actually have to form up a PUG and fall into our respective roles to the best of our abilities. I'm coming from a game like FFXI, though, so my bias is obvious about grouping and I actually prefer it. Well, that fits my class too (cleric).
Still, I always feel like if a person complains then they should offer up a solution. Myself, I think the grouping felt about right, even though the PUG I was part of was insanely unbalanced. That's largely because it was a "on the fly" type of thing, though...
These areas requiring full group may seem strange for some, but they are merely the same as instances, except for the fact that they are not instanced :P
It's still possible to avoid them though, I've gotten to 18 and still had quests to do, just remember to not skip everything and not kill anything except quest monsters or you'll face a grind later on, the quests only exist to direct you, take your time doing them, clearing monsters in the way, gathering materials and leveling your extract vitality/aether skills, etc, as you would do in a dungeon, and you'll face little "plain and dull grinding".
Just don't blame them for featuring non-instanced group play in a MMO
Right now you are judging One class that isn't even half way leveled.
I'm playing a cleric, and even at level 8, I'm enjoying varied gameplay elements. My health isn't too high, so I have to be on my toes and switch yo healing spells as well as prepare myself before a fight. That's just me though.
Second note: This is the release build. They are pretty much just seeing if they have any translation errors.
No one is "wrong." It's your opinion. Personally I like the game from the start. When the release comes, I will have no problem doing the same quests again, that I've been doing in the betas. Because I have fun. If you don't have fun, that's ok. I could honestly care less. But for me (and a lot of others) the game is fun from the second we create a new character.
You can THINK it's a good idea to have a game that's boring for the first 10+ hours, but it doesn't really go well when you start to... APPLY LOGIC to it. Who wants to suffer through boring bits? You? Do you want to suffer through boring bits?
If you weren't telling this guy "THE GAME GETS FUN AT LEVEL FIFTY" than you're free to not bother replying to anything I said, because it doesn't apply to you.
Every one of these horeshit replies saying how wrong this guy is can be refuted by applying simple logic to it. Here; let me show you.
"The game starts at level 50!"
Why? Why does the game start at level 50? Why do I need to wade through the same garbage we've been playing for years now just to get to the good parts? Why cant I start the game after I buy the box?
"So what if it's nothing new! WoW DOES IT!"
World of Warcraft is years old now. Believe it or not, as time marches forward; standards change. This is, of course ignoring the glaring design flaws of Aion's early game. (Long EXP curve, long cooldowns on low damage beginner abilities, tedious travel).
And so fourth...
Here, if you don't want to accept the concept of changing standards; perhaps this woefully inappropriate analogy(s) will make this simpler.
Would you read through an entire, awful book just because everyone tells you "it gets better around 75% through"?
Would you eat a steak that was only tasty if you ate 80% of it first?
Would you buy a new car that only ran well after you pumped 70,000 miles into it first?
Vhayne, since obviously you're comparing the game to "you know which game" let's make a comparison, shall we.
At level 18 you complain about "being boring and pressing 4 keys". Mkay, let's see what happens in WoW. For example as a rogue you press... a cheap shot, few sinister strikes/mutilates, eviscerate the mob... and that's just about it. And yeah, guess what - you're doing this all the way to 80. What a shock. And gets even better for some other classes like mage who actually need to press no more than 2 buttons to level up all the way to the max lvl cap.
"but I'm surprised that's all there is at this point." Exactly. At this point. Which is lvl 20. Beta. Early version. Obviously you haven't been able to play on CN/KOR servers. I am. Trust me - there's more.
Gear. At lower levels no gear makes a difference in any mmo. But because we all became quite lazy getting easy phat lewtz now we whine about "being hard" and "almost no difference" in Aion. Tell you what - if you are patient and persistent enough even on lower levels, as i am, you can make yourself gear which will make a difference. I have almost full +10 set and +8 wpn when i was 18lvl sorc on CN. And it makes huge difference. The catch is - it's not easy to get. Which is cool. Which is absolutely cool since i'm sick and tired of looking around Dalaran, seeing 100+ death knights in exactly the same gear, same enchants, same colors... You can tell only by the looks of someone the exact number of stats he has. It's like running around a town with thousands of clones, noone different from the other in terms of stats and looks. Even if you don't spend so much time enchanting your gear and as you say - wear the best possible for the level, it will make a difference. "A tiny bit of difference" - that's all it has to do on the lower levels, gear is not supposed to make you turn on god mod or two shot mobs, you have to follow the learning curve and use what you have the best you can. I'm so happy that at this point of the game gear is not everything and it actually takes some skills to play. I'm not max level @ CN, i suppose the gear difference will become a bit bigger then. But so far gear works the way it's supposed to be - gives you a bit of advantage, not huge OP.
Quests i must agree to a certain level. But since i like to grind anyway i can't give a positive or negative feedback since 30min-1h grind to finish the level is not a big deal anyway. Although it's true - there's lack of quests at some point.
Elite mobs, ahhh... How i love thee. Finally elites that are actually... elite. What's the point of the elites in WoW, since pretty much if you're not brain dead - everyone can solo them. Ppl are soloing previous raid bosses, nuff said... Tell me what was the most discussed topic in the quest section of the forums when WotLK was released? "How many 3-5 group quests did you solo?" Um.. hello? These are "group", they are not meant to be soloed. They're just poorly designed and that's why you can break the game mechanics and solo them. Not here. There are some elites you can actually solo in Aion in the early levels but it will take so much time and you have to be extra careful that it's simply not worth it. Group quests have to stay group quests, elites must act like elites. So far it's looking good - looking at those "wow veterans" dying miserably while trying to be heroes. If you don't care for groups you just have to skip those and grind a bit for about 30 mins to gain the XP you need. Guess that's it. There's nothing wrong with groups, i like groups, hell, that's the reason i play mmo's if i didn't want groups i'll just go back to NWN or KotOR.
Graphics... not a lot of graphics... right. Google Aion sets pics please, there's a full list on mmosite if i'm not mistaken don't have the link atm. You'd be surprised. Once again - don't judge a book by its cover - it's "closed beta", limited to low level, limited to very few gear sets and upgrades, limited to very old version of the game. End game with all the customizations which become available once you hit 30 lvl you probably won't be able to see 2 sets looking the same on the same class. If you're not happy with this on low levels... just paint your set, the least you could do.
The game needs to be complicated with gear choices, skills, crafting etc. so we don't see the masses of clones which are no different from each other like in WoW. They're going in the right direction and trust me - once the game is released and you are able to see a lot more from it, i'm 100% sure you will quickly change your mind. So far enjoy the beta weekends or try to get in CN servers and get a taste of things to come.
You can't be serious about expecting Aion to be something new. This game is WoW clone with wings and amazing graphics. I'm no WoW fan i hate WoW completely but in my opinion Aion is WoW clone with upgraded graphics and wings. Why is it a WoW clone? Endless grinding, Point and Click gameplay like any asian mmos out there, repetitive quests and ofcourse quests will end at some lvl and you are forced to grind a lvl to get new quest. I enjoyed the game only cause of the graphics and wing thing other than that it's useless but i got bored after 1 week. So my tip for you is to move too Mortal Online a fps gameplay with unreal 3 engine graphics meaning new graphics to me the graphics in that game look almost realisitc and much better than Aion. Anyways if you dont like point and click games your only offer is and note that all these games use unreal engine which means no point and click gameplay but amazing graphics and use mouse to do primary attak secondary attack so its fast paced gameplay finally! Wait for Mortal Online to come out which comes out 13th-14th july i dont know but pre-order opens 13th july and appairently anybody who pre-orders the game will get free beta access and the game is p2p but totally worth it. Wait for blade & soul to come out and that game is going to be f2p but most likely not come to us in years. Wait for tera online which will be p2p comes out in a few years. Wait for C9 which will be f2p comes out in a few years Wait for dragon nest which will be f2p comes out in a few years.
Obviously your best choice is Mortal Online or Blade & Soul, Mortal Online is awesome and they actually have a rick roll beta footage that is april joke but it's so awesome it shows some funny bugs but also shows the amazing graphics and footage it has to offer so there you go even when the game is at its buggiest it is amazing haha.
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Obviously your best choice is Mortal Online or Blade & Soul, Mortal Online is awesome and they actually have a rick roll beta footage that is april joke but it's so awesome it shows some funny bugs but also shows the amazing graphics and footage it has to offer so there you go even when the game is at its buggiest it is amazing haha.
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Well, he sure made alot more "sence" than you did. next time how 'bout you try this:
A. Proper spelling and punctuation go a long way in forum discussions. You might be able to SPEAK like that to your friends and they will understand you, but to be taken seriously in text form you should really try to communicate clearly.
B. Instead of telling someone to STFU because they express their opinion about something, you could try explaining to them that yes, it IS very repetitive through your first 20 levels (I thought it was), and yes like most games the models are generally very similar (once again, I thought this was true), but once you get out of the "Tutorial" levels things get better.
C. Yelling NOOB really doesn't do much to help your case. I am not sure where this fascination with the idiotic term came from, but I am pretty sure EVERYONE here was or is fairly new in the world of Aion. So, relax a bit, have your mom make you another PB&J, and tell all of us lesser beings how wrong we are and why without the attempts at insults.
Watch this... I think this game has alot in common with Warhammer. I also thought Warhammer lacked.. well, most things. Don't like it? Tough. Don't try to tell people how to think, present your opinion as to how they are mistaken, why, and move on. If your feelings are hurt because someone else doesn't like your game as much as you I have news for you. The real world is going to eat you alive.
Also I didn't get anything from his post that said he wants it all and he wants it now just because he expected to see a difference when changing his armor. I don't see why expecting your level 10 gear to look atleast noticably different from your level 20 gear is such a hateful idea. Part of the enjoyment for many people is having a bit of variety in your gear. I also thought the same thing when I equipped a fancy green drop I got. I wonder what this is going to look like! Oh... it's almost exactly the same. Now this is something that is similar in almost every game I've played. But thankfully, no matter how similar my gear has ever been in any game, it has never been as bad as a helmet and matching shoulder armor with big rolling eyeballs in it..
I also thought DP was disappointing. How in THE hell am I going to get to use that skill? I thought. Thanks to you, I NOW know that through PVP the DP is going to rise much faster. Thank you. Of course, you could have made a productive post that included that knowledge for us "NOOB" morons, but instead you felt that insults were necessary.
Heres an idea. Since I am pretty sure EVERYONE is a troll compared to you, just don't respond to anyone. That way there is plenty of room for constructive comments.
im thinking about it : )
One thing that did bother me while playing, and perhaps some of you can help me out.. Flying. I was so damn excited to get those wings and then what happens? I am in a zone that doesn't allow flying. So I wander a bit, find a place I can fly. Lovin' it. Move on to the next area. No flying. Really? Dammit man where CAN I fly lol.. For some reason I expected to be able to fly in most areas of the game. Stupid of me to assume I know, and I haven't seen much of the game world yet, so is there much in the way of flying through the zones or is it really only an Abyss thing?
Oh yeah and I still like this game. Still going to play it at release. So please, this isn't a personal attack on those people who LOVE the game, just a question.
I think of it this way when it comes to Aion:
Aion was designed for a Korean (eastern) audience, not you, you are being allowed to play Aion out of the kindness of Plaync's heart.
You already have the perfect MMO for you, stay with that, and don't complain about our MMO.
NCSoft is spending millions of dollars converting "your MMO" to "our MMO" not out of the kindness of their heart but because they want our money. Besides that, I seem to remember that "our MMO" is pretty popular in "your part" of the world.
The person in question is not complaining, he is providing his review. If you disagree with his points, address them. Otherwise, there is no reason for being nasty.
Most pve based zones I encountered so far restrict flying. Zones where pvp is available seem to be free-fly.
IMO the restricted flyzones are to avoid people exploiting the gamemechanic by bypassing mobs or something. In the end Aion is still a mostly 2D (maybe earthbound better term) based game with flying attached to it . If you ever played a hide/invis class in other mmorpgs and youre able to run through a large part of instances/dungeons unharmed, you know the power of that. Additionally its not easy to programm a mob AI for 3D in a mmorpg. They dont even managed to create a flying pet for the Spiritmaster and I bet one of the reasons is because of problems implementing it.
i ve found the opening levels on most mmos to be very much the same thing . very simple quests usually entailing finding something or killing something . these areas are essentially tutorials . warcraft has the same thing . you may be able to start in different locations but the quests are very much the same in each location . unlike some people in these forums i dont think wow is a bad game but i dont like the way its gone in the last couple of years . blizzard have made it far too easy to appeal to younger players and they ve been very successful in attracting them . unfortunatly this has made the wow community like a virtual schoolyeard . if aion offers less forgiving gameplay so much the better .
the op may be correct but at level 18 i dont think hes experianced enough of the game ( and remember it is in beta ) to really understand what its potential is . at level 18 in warcraft you really only just learning what your character can do . you would nt have played any pvp beyond a dual or two . its doubtful you would have done an instance . you knowlage of crafting if its your first character is very limited .
what people forget is what its like when its a new game . when your starting an alt in wow or whatever mmo you play . you know a lot of whats ahead so you have a different view of it .
one weekend ( maybe 2 ) in a beta really is nt enough time to make any sweeping judgement either way .
Most pve based zones I encountered so far restrict flying. Zones where pvp is available seem to be free-fly.
IMO the restricted flyzones are to avoid people exploiting the gamemechanic by bypassing mobs or something. In the end Aion is still a mostly 2D (maybe earthbound better term) based game with flying attached to it . If you ever played a hide/invis class in other mmorpgs and youre able to run through a large part of instances/dungeons unharmed, you know the power of that. Additionally its not easy to programm a mob AI for 3D in a mmorpg. They dont even managed to create a flying pet for the Spiritmaster and I bet one of the reasons is because of problems implementing it.
That was pretty much what I was thinking as well. How easy it would be to just fly from quest mob to quest mob, completely ignoring all the rough stuff in-between! It isn't a deal breaker for me, but I was expecting a bit more of an open world. More than likely tho it won't even be an issue once the game is released and I am up there PVP'n most of the time. Thanks for your imput.
The only issue is the basic premise of the entire thread...
An individual doesn't like something or find it fun. Then writes a post about how its some universallly broken thing or a company doesn't "get it".
That's why when I write opinion threads/posts I try to state it as that.
I will play Aion for a while and then I will move on. This is because Aion is not the type of design I would play for 5 years.... However, that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with Aion. Its just the design they chose to go with and there may be more people who like it than don't (or it may be like most of the other recently released titles).
That's my only issue with the post... its about a personal opinion but the title is stated as if its not from a subjective point of view (aka fact).
Here. I only have 2 posts here. Big difference. And it isn't only your inability (or lack of desire) to spell, but your lack of punctuation and structure as well. To top it all off, your post lacked constructive commentary. What constructive comments you DID have got lost in your insults. Then you post a reply to mine but fail to respond to.. well... ANYTHING. I wonder, who is the troll?
By the way, I don't use a spell checker. I often misspell words. Generally I don't worry about it, but if you are going to take the time out of your apparently very busy schedule to bag on someone for their OPINION about a GAME on a forum..
If you notice, flying is able only in areas with gateways to the PvPvE regions, Aether-heavy areas. It's the magic from Aether that enables full-on flight in Daevas. Still, I love the gliding aspect. Once I got the hang of extending a glide, it's saved a lot of time in-game.
To the OP. I'm sorry you don't like the game. As for me I'm having a blast. I absolutely don't agree with the majority of what you are saying. From what I hear almost everyone has something to say about how it's a clone of whatever game they hold dearest in their hearts. I personally find it rather close to L2 and less like WoW that many say. I've also heard it's similar to other games. It all depends where they came from. I don't know exactly what you are advocating, it seems you want it to be completely soloable or duoable, for the equipment to be amazing very early on, and to have huge amounts of skills in the first few steps of the game. I don't know exactly where you came from but that would make a rather short... and very boring game if they gave you the carrot THAT early on. As for quests.. there's more than enough. I've not once run out of stuff to do. To all they're own I guess.
Unfortunately, you're wrong. There is something fundamentally wrong with a game that takes a time investment of 10+ hours to "start getting good", and this MMORPG is not the first offender.
No one is "wrong." It's your opinion. Personally I like the game from the start. When the release comes, I will have no problem doing the same quests again, that I've been doing in the betas. Because I have fun. If you don't have fun, that's ok. I could honestly care less. But for me (and a lot of others) the game is fun from the second we create a new character.
I think its more of a Lineage 2 clone myself. not to mention wow its self is made up of pieces of many games.
personally for me i loved lvling from lvl 1 - 10(which a lot of games i think its stupid) the environment, the quests, even the skills early on are pretty cool to look at. obviously u are just a stick in the mud and maybe shoudl think about taking a break from mmos for a while?
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I just don't get your objection to having to reach beyond your comfort zone and, oh... I dunno, actually embrace the "MM" part of a "MMORPG" (especially during quests that are designed for full group play).
What exactly would you have NCsoft do to fix this? How would you change it? I mean, 'cause if you're going to complain about not being able to clear a group area with only two people, then what's your ideal fix? Weaken the mobs and make it easily completed in a duo? *Really* weaken them and make the area soloable?
I found the requirement to group for these quests a welcome change (I was actually fearing that the game was too easy to solo stuff and little more than a Online SP experience... though I had read otherwise). Frankly, it was nice to actually have to form up a PUG and fall into our respective roles to the best of our abilities. I'm coming from a game like FFXI, though, so my bias is obvious about grouping and I actually prefer it. Well, that fits my class too (cleric).
Still, I always feel like if a person complains then they should offer up a solution. Myself, I think the grouping felt about right, even though the PUG I was part of was insanely unbalanced. That's largely because it was a "on the fly" type of thing, though...
These areas requiring full group may seem strange for some, but they are merely the same as instances, except for the fact that they are not instanced :P
It's still possible to avoid them though, I've gotten to 18 and still had quests to do, just remember to not skip everything and not kill anything except quest monsters or you'll face a grind later on, the quests only exist to direct you, take your time doing them, clearing monsters in the way, gathering materials and leveling your extract vitality/aether skills, etc, as you would do in a dungeon, and you'll face little "plain and dull grinding".
Just don't blame them for featuring non-instanced group play in a MMO
Well thing is NCSoft is very popular and thus they do get it right or they wouldn't have been around this long. It's as simple as that.
I am so suprised
"I'm wearing the best armor and weapons available, and seriously, I can't tell a difference in wearing basic lower level gear"
that I dont read more on this. I have tested this over and over and it didnt make any diff at all what I had on.
As for leveling.. after 25+ its even harder. And no one disagrees with this. If you have played on kor, china.. you know.
Its not a hard core game but a very GRIND game. Fun but GRIND
Note: Top level is level 50
Right now you are judging One class that isn't even half way leveled.
I'm playing a cleric, and even at level 8, I'm enjoying varied gameplay elements. My health isn't too high, so I have to be on my toes and switch yo healing spells as well as prepare myself before a fight. That's just me though.
Second note: This is the release build. They are pretty much just seeing if they have any translation errors.
You can THINK it's a good idea to have a game that's boring for the first 10+ hours, but it doesn't really go well when you start to... APPLY LOGIC to it. Who wants to suffer through boring bits? You? Do you want to suffer through boring bits?
If you weren't telling this guy "THE GAME GETS FUN AT LEVEL FIFTY" than you're free to not bother replying to anything I said, because it doesn't apply to you.
Every one of these horeshit replies saying how wrong this guy is can be refuted by applying simple logic to it. Here; let me show you.
"The game starts at level 50!"
Why? Why does the game start at level 50? Why do I need to wade through the same garbage we've been playing for years now just to get to the good parts? Why cant I start the game after I buy the box?
"So what if it's nothing new! WoW DOES IT!"
World of Warcraft is years old now. Believe it or not, as time marches forward; standards change. This is, of course ignoring the glaring design flaws of Aion's early game. (Long EXP curve, long cooldowns on low damage beginner abilities, tedious travel).
And so fourth...
Here, if you don't want to accept the concept of changing standards; perhaps this woefully inappropriate analogy(s) will make this simpler.
Would you read through an entire, awful book just because everyone tells you "it gets better around 75% through"?
Would you eat a steak that was only tasty if you ate 80% of it first?
Would you buy a new car that only ran well after you pumped 70,000 miles into it first?
Does this honestly make sense to you?
Vhayne, since obviously you're comparing the game to "you know which game" let's make a comparison, shall we.
What's the point of the elites in WoW, since pretty much if you're not brain dead - everyone can solo them. Ppl are soloing previous raid bosses, nuff said... Tell me what was the most discussed topic in the quest section of the forums when WotLK was released? "How many 3-5 group quests did you solo?" Um.. hello? These are "group", they are not meant to be soloed. They're just poorly designed and that's why you can break the game mechanics and solo them. Not here. There are some elites you can actually solo in Aion in the early levels but it will take so much time and you have to be extra careful that it's simply not worth it. Group quests have to stay group quests, elites must act like elites. So far it's looking good - looking at those "wow veterans" dying miserably while trying to be heroes. If you don't care for groups you just have to skip those and grind a bit for about 30 mins to gain the XP you need. Guess that's it. There's nothing wrong with groups, i like groups, hell, that's the reason i play mmo's if i didn't want groups i'll just go back to NWN or KotOR.
At level 18 you complain about "being boring and pressing 4 keys". Mkay, let's see what happens in WoW. For example as a rogue you press... a cheap shot, few sinister strikes/mutilates, eviscerate the mob... and that's just about it. And yeah, guess what - you're doing this all the way to 80. What a shock. And gets even better for some other classes like mage who actually need to press no more than 2 buttons to level up all the way to the max lvl cap.
"but I'm surprised that's all there is at this point." Exactly. At this point. Which is lvl 20. Beta. Early version. Obviously you haven't been able to play on CN/KOR servers. I am. Trust me - there's more.
Gear. At lower levels no gear makes a difference in any mmo. But because we all became quite lazy getting easy phat lewtz now we whine about "being hard" and "almost no difference" in Aion. Tell you what - if you are patient and persistent enough even on lower levels, as i am, you can make yourself gear which will make a difference. I have almost full +10 set and +8 wpn when i was 18lvl sorc on CN. And it makes huge difference. The catch is - it's not easy to get. Which is cool. Which is absolutely cool since i'm sick and tired of looking around Dalaran, seeing 100+ death knights in exactly the same gear, same enchants, same colors... You can tell only by the looks of someone the exact number of stats he has. It's like running around a town with thousands of clones, noone different from the other in terms of stats and looks. Even if you don't spend so much time enchanting your gear and as you say - wear the best possible for the level, it will make a difference. "A tiny bit of difference" - that's all it has to do on the lower levels, gear is not supposed to make you turn on god mod or two shot mobs, you have to follow the learning curve and use what you have the best you can. I'm so happy that at this point of the game gear is not everything and it actually takes some skills to play. I'm not max level @ CN, i suppose the gear difference will become a bit bigger then. But so far gear works the way it's supposed to be - gives you a bit of advantage, not huge OP.
Quests i must agree to a certain level. But since i like to grind anyway i can't give a positive or negative feedback since 30min-1h grind to finish the level is not a big deal anyway. Although it's true - there's lack of quests at some point.
Elite mobs, ahhh... How i love thee. Finally elites that are actually... elite.
Graphics... not a lot of graphics... right. Google Aion sets pics please, there's a full list on mmosite if i'm not mistaken don't have the link atm. You'd be surprised. Once again - don't judge a book by its cover - it's "closed beta", limited to low level, limited to very few gear sets and upgrades, limited to very old version of the game. End game with all the customizations which become available once you hit 30 lvl you probably won't be able to see 2 sets looking the same on the same class. If you're not happy with this on low levels... just paint your set, the least you could do.
The game needs to be complicated with gear choices, skills, crafting etc. so we don't see the masses of clones which are no different from each other like in WoW. They're going in the right direction and trust me - once the game is released and you are able to see a lot more from it, i'm 100% sure you will quickly change your mind. So far enjoy the beta weekends or try to get in CN servers and get a taste of things to come.
If you are so enlightened my friend,there's only one solution for you...WAIT
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A DF clone and you dont even get wings