Great post with very valid points but the fact is that Turbine has increased xp to allow people to level faster. Since Moria's release LOTRO has become very much like WoW as far as gear grinding goes at end-game. I havent seen book 7 or 8 though so I'm too sure what they did with that. I left as soon as I saw what Moria's end-game had to offer.
I think that's overstated. I played Wow for 3 years and I've been playing LOTRO for about a year and a half, and the difference is pretty substantial. Right now, you only need to grind gear for *TWO RAIDS* in LOTRO: The Watcher (which is just a Boss in a Box), and DN. Every other piece of content, including the 7 six mans, 2 three mans, the crafting instances, and the LI rep solo instances, can be done with quest rewards and crafted gear that can be bought off the auction house. WoW has a far more extensive gear progression path, and a vastly larger collection of gear to grind through.
Now that Turbine has thrown a little bit of content for the raiders, the non-raiding community has been up in arms. Considering that the next book update will almost certainly be a whole new region, and the expansion will probably follow, I think this is all overblown.
IMO, Book 7 was pretty decent, and Book 8 has been great!
I was beginning to think rational thinking and posting was dead on this site. Thank you, I am not alone now.
We cant compare WoW and LOTRO, come on now. WoW is a gear/loot fest, LOTRO is more of a casual gamers game. But the fact is that since Moria's release LOTRO has been leaning towards a gear/loot end-game, which is never what LOTRO was about. I played LOTRO since open-beta so I know what pre-Moria pretty well.
As for anything released after Moria I really cant say much because I left before they came out. I really do hope that they made some improvements because they lost many who felt the same way I did when Moria came out. You can talk up LOTRO all you want but those with heads on their shoulders saw Moria for what it really was.
I was once a HUGE lotro fan. I was a die-hard actually but Turbine blew it for alot of people when Moria went live. I re-subbed last night to check out the new content this weekend. My only hope is that some of the new stuff has improved the end-game because I truely do miss LOTRO. At one time I had thought it would likely be the best MMORPG for years to come.
Great post with very valid points but the fact is that Turbine has increased xp to allow people to level faster. Since Moria's release LOTRO has become very much like WoW as far as gear grinding goes at end-game. I havent seen book 7 or 8 though so I'm too sure what they did with that. I left as soon as I saw what Moria's end-game had to offer.
I think that's overstated. I played Wow for 3 years and I've been playing LOTRO for about a year and a half, and the difference is pretty substantial. Right now, you only need to grind gear for *TWO RAIDS* in LOTRO: The Watcher (which is just a Boss in a Box), and DN. Every other piece of content, including the 7 six mans, 2 three mans, the crafting instances, and the LI rep solo instances, can be done with quest rewards and crafted gear that can be bought off the auction house. WoW has a far more extensive gear progression path, and a vastly larger collection of gear to grind through.
Now that Turbine has thrown a little bit of content for the raiders, the non-raiding community has been up in arms. Considering that the next book update will almost certainly be a whole new region, and the expansion will probably follow, I think this is all overblown.
IMO, Book 7 was pretty decent, and Book 8 has been great!
I was beginning to think rational thinking and posting was dead on this site. Thank you, I am not alone now.
We cant compare WoW and LOTRO, come on now. WoW is a gear/loot fest, LOTRO is supposed to be a casual gamers game. But the fact is that since Moria's release LOTRO has been leaning towards a gear/loot end-game, which is never what LOTRO was about. I played LOTRO since open-beta so I know what pre-Moria was like.
As for anything released after Moria I really cant say much because I left before they came out. I really do hope that they made some improvements because they lost many who felt the same way I did when Moria came out. You can talk up LOTRO all you want but those with heads on their shoulders saw Moria for what it really was.
I was once a HUGE lotro fan. I was a die-hard actually but Turbine blew it for alot of people when Moria went live. I re-subbed last night to check out the new content this weekend. My only hope is that some of the new stuff has improved the end-game because I truely do miss LOTRO. At one time I had thought it would likely be the best MMORPG for years to come.
**crosses fingers**
Not sure from your post if you have a 60 or not.
If you do have a 60, there are new three man instances in the Mines. They are rumored to be excellent, and even as a casual player you can now get up to 40 raidiance (which is at least close to what you need for the watcher). Crafted armor also got a big boost. The highest level pieces are now just as good as the stuff from regular mode 6 mans (still no radiance though). Lothlorian is very pretty and well worth checking out. I personally didn't care for the quests there however. Might be more up your alley, There's also the crafting instances. The one I ran was pretty fun and well tuned for a solo player, but I honestly haven't messed with them much.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Great post with very valid points but the fact is that Turbine has increased xp to allow people to level faster. Since Moria's release LOTRO has become very much like WoW as far as gear grinding goes at end-game. I havent seen book 7 or 8 though so I'm too sure what they did with that. I left as soon as I saw what Moria's end-game had to offer.
I think that's overstated. I played Wow for 3 years and I've been playing LOTRO for about a year and a half, and the difference is pretty substantial. Right now, you only need to grind gear for *TWO RAIDS* in LOTRO: The Watcher (which is just a Boss in a Box), and DN. Every other piece of content, including the 7 six mans, 2 three mans, the crafting instances, and the LI rep solo instances, can be done with quest rewards and crafted gear that can be bought off the auction house. WoW has a far more extensive gear progression path, and a vastly larger collection of gear to grind through.
Now that Turbine has thrown a little bit of content for the raiders, the non-raiding community has been up in arms. Considering that the next book update will almost certainly be a whole new region, and the expansion will probably follow, I think this is all overblown.
IMO, Book 7 was pretty decent, and Book 8 has been great!
I was beginning to think rational thinking and posting was dead on this site. Thank you, I am not alone now.
We cant compare WoW and LOTRO, come on now. WoW is a gear/loot fest, LOTRO is more of a casual gamers game. But the fact is that since Moria's release LOTRO has been leaning towards a gear/loot end-game, which is never what LOTRO was about. I played LOTRO since open-beta so I know what pre-Moria pretty well.
As for anything released after Moria I really cant say much because I left before they came out. I really do hope that they made some improvements because they lost many who felt the same way I did when Moria came out. You can talk up LOTRO all you want but those with heads on their shoulders saw Moria for what it really was.
I was once a HUGE lotro fan. I was a die-hard actually but Turbine blew it for alot of people when Moria went live. I re-subbed last night to check out the new content this weekend. My only hope is that some of the new stuff has improved the end-game because I truely do miss LOTRO. At one time I had thought it would likely be the best MMORPG for years to come.
**crosses fingers**
I don't understand where some get this notion. There are only two...I repeat two events that require having rad gear. You don't even need any rad gear for the turtle raid so why some keep acting like you have to grind for this gear to be able to do anything at end game is beyond reason. If you don't want to get the rad gear then don't. There are plenty of other instances to run through. The only things not having the gear will stop you from being able to partake in is the watcher and the new 12 man raid.
Every other Moria instance/event is completeable without any rad gear at all and there is quite a few to choose from. The new instances are especially challenging least in my opinion. I know some think they're too hard but I find them to be rather fun.
Heh, although I will admit the first group I tried Hall of Mirrors with got spanked silly. Since then I've completed it but its been quite a while since I was so badly owned in an mmorpg as I was when I first tried running it.
Like Moria or hate it but acting like those that like it weren't around in beta or missing "heads on their shoulders" is just ridiculous. There are some of us from launch that believe it or not like the changes and this whole venting that Rings is going WoW when its only two things that require gear to do is just silly, and what's with you saying you can't compare the two games when someone tries to point out the differences yet its okay to compare the two games when you're trying to point out similarities or the direction they're heading in?
Its really starting to sound to me now that I've been running around at lvl 60 for a bit that people saying this bullshit don't have a level 60 and haven't even tried the content available now and are just spewing the same nonsense they see others post. I mean the game does have issues and isn't perfect but amazingly the actual viable issues and concerns get left mostly untouched and yet this bullshit about not being able to do anything end game unless you grind for certain gear and Rings is WoWified crap goes on.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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Great post with very valid points but the fact is that Turbine has increased xp to allow people to level faster. Since Moria's release LOTRO has become very much like WoW as far as gear grinding goes at end-game. I havent seen book 7 or 8 though so I'm too sure what they did with that. I left as soon as I saw what Moria's end-game had to offer.
I think that's overstated. I played Wow for 3 years and I've been playing LOTRO for about a year and a half, and the difference is pretty substantial. Right now, you only need to grind gear for *TWO RAIDS* in LOTRO: The Watcher (which is just a Boss in a Box), and DN. Every other piece of content, including the 7 six mans, 2 three mans, the crafting instances, and the LI rep solo instances, can be done with quest rewards and crafted gear that can be bought off the auction house. WoW has a far more extensive gear progression path, and a vastly larger collection of gear to grind through.
Now that Turbine has thrown a little bit of content for the raiders, the non-raiding community has been up in arms. Considering that the next book update will almost certainly be a whole new region, and the expansion will probably follow, I think this is all overblown.
IMO, Book 7 was pretty decent, and Book 8 has been great!
I was beginning to think rational thinking and posting was dead on this site. Thank you, I am not alone now.
We cant compare WoW and LOTRO, come on now. WoW is a gear/loot fest, LOTRO is more of a casual gamers game. But the fact is that since Moria's release LOTRO has been leaning towards a gear/loot end-game, which is never what LOTRO was about. I played LOTRO since open-beta so I know what pre-Moria pretty well.
As for anything released after Moria I really cant say much because I left before they came out. I really do hope that they made some improvements because they lost many who felt the same way I did when Moria came out. You can talk up LOTRO all you want but those with heads on their shoulders saw Moria for what it really was.
I was once a HUGE lotro fan. I was a die-hard actually but Turbine blew it for alot of people when Moria went live. I re-subbed last night to check out the new content this weekend. My only hope is that some of the new stuff has improved the end-game because I truely do miss LOTRO. At one time I had thought it would likely be the best MMORPG for years to come.
**crosses fingers**
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Great post with very valid points but the fact is that Turbine has increased xp to allow people to level faster. Since Moria's release LOTRO has become very much like WoW as far as gear grinding goes at end-game. I havent seen book 7 or 8 though so I'm too sure what they did with that. I left as soon as I saw what Moria's end-game had to offer.
I think that's overstated. I played Wow for 3 years and I've been playing LOTRO for about a year and a half, and the difference is pretty substantial. Right now, you only need to grind gear for *TWO RAIDS* in LOTRO: The Watcher (which is just a Boss in a Box), and DN. Every other piece of content, including the 7 six mans, 2 three mans, the crafting instances, and the LI rep solo instances, can be done with quest rewards and crafted gear that can be bought off the auction house. WoW has a far more extensive gear progression path, and a vastly larger collection of gear to grind through.
Now that Turbine has thrown a little bit of content for the raiders, the non-raiding community has been up in arms. Considering that the next book update will almost certainly be a whole new region, and the expansion will probably follow, I think this is all overblown.
IMO, Book 7 was pretty decent, and Book 8 has been great!
I was beginning to think rational thinking and posting was dead on this site. Thank you, I am not alone now.
We cant compare WoW and LOTRO, come on now. WoW is a gear/loot fest, LOTRO is supposed to be a casual gamers game. But the fact is that since Moria's release LOTRO has been leaning towards a gear/loot end-game, which is never what LOTRO was about. I played LOTRO since open-beta so I know what pre-Moria was like.
As for anything released after Moria I really cant say much because I left before they came out. I really do hope that they made some improvements because they lost many who felt the same way I did when Moria came out. You can talk up LOTRO all you want but those with heads on their shoulders saw Moria for what it really was.
I was once a HUGE lotro fan. I was a die-hard actually but Turbine blew it for alot of people when Moria went live. I re-subbed last night to check out the new content this weekend. My only hope is that some of the new stuff has improved the end-game because I truely do miss LOTRO. At one time I had thought it would likely be the best MMORPG for years to come.
**crosses fingers**
Not sure from your post if you have a 60 or not.
If you do have a 60, there are new three man instances in the Mines. They are rumored to be excellent, and even as a casual player you can now get up to 40 raidiance (which is at least close to what you need for the watcher). Crafted armor also got a big boost. The highest level pieces are now just as good as the stuff from regular mode 6 mans (still no radiance though). Lothlorian is very pretty and well worth checking out. I personally didn't care for the quests there however. Might be more up your alley, There's also the crafting instances. The one I ran was pretty fun and well tuned for a solo player, but I honestly haven't messed with them much.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Great post with very valid points but the fact is that Turbine has increased xp to allow people to level faster. Since Moria's release LOTRO has become very much like WoW as far as gear grinding goes at end-game. I havent seen book 7 or 8 though so I'm too sure what they did with that. I left as soon as I saw what Moria's end-game had to offer.
I think that's overstated. I played Wow for 3 years and I've been playing LOTRO for about a year and a half, and the difference is pretty substantial. Right now, you only need to grind gear for *TWO RAIDS* in LOTRO: The Watcher (which is just a Boss in a Box), and DN. Every other piece of content, including the 7 six mans, 2 three mans, the crafting instances, and the LI rep solo instances, can be done with quest rewards and crafted gear that can be bought off the auction house. WoW has a far more extensive gear progression path, and a vastly larger collection of gear to grind through.
Now that Turbine has thrown a little bit of content for the raiders, the non-raiding community has been up in arms. Considering that the next book update will almost certainly be a whole new region, and the expansion will probably follow, I think this is all overblown.
IMO, Book 7 was pretty decent, and Book 8 has been great!
I was beginning to think rational thinking and posting was dead on this site. Thank you, I am not alone now.
We cant compare WoW and LOTRO, come on now. WoW is a gear/loot fest, LOTRO is more of a casual gamers game. But the fact is that since Moria's release LOTRO has been leaning towards a gear/loot end-game, which is never what LOTRO was about. I played LOTRO since open-beta so I know what pre-Moria pretty well.
As for anything released after Moria I really cant say much because I left before they came out. I really do hope that they made some improvements because they lost many who felt the same way I did when Moria came out. You can talk up LOTRO all you want but those with heads on their shoulders saw Moria for what it really was.
I was once a HUGE lotro fan. I was a die-hard actually but Turbine blew it for alot of people when Moria went live. I re-subbed last night to check out the new content this weekend. My only hope is that some of the new stuff has improved the end-game because I truely do miss LOTRO. At one time I had thought it would likely be the best MMORPG for years to come.
**crosses fingers**
I don't understand where some get this notion. There are only two...I repeat two events that require having rad gear. You don't even need any rad gear for the turtle raid so why some keep acting like you have to grind for this gear to be able to do anything at end game is beyond reason. If you don't want to get the rad gear then don't. There are plenty of other instances to run through. The only things not having the gear will stop you from being able to partake in is the watcher and the new 12 man raid.
Every other Moria instance/event is completeable without any rad gear at all and there is quite a few to choose from. The new instances are especially challenging least in my opinion. I know some think they're too hard but I find them to be rather fun.
Heh, although I will admit the first group I tried Hall of Mirrors with got spanked silly. Since then I've completed it but its been quite a while since I was so badly owned in an mmorpg as I was when I first tried running it.
Like Moria or hate it but acting like those that like it weren't around in beta or missing "heads on their shoulders" is just ridiculous. There are some of us from launch that believe it or not like the changes and this whole venting that Rings is going WoW when its only two things that require gear to do is just silly, and what's with you saying you can't compare the two games when someone tries to point out the differences yet its okay to compare the two games when you're trying to point out similarities or the direction they're heading in?
Its really starting to sound to me now that I've been running around at lvl 60 for a bit that people saying this bullshit don't have a level 60 and haven't even tried the content available now and are just spewing the same nonsense they see others post. I mean the game does have issues and isn't perfect but amazingly the actual viable issues and concerns get left mostly untouched and yet this bullshit about not being able to do anything end game unless you grind for certain gear and Rings is WoWified crap goes on.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.