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  • GreyloopGreyloop Member Posts: 41
    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by Greyloop

    Originally posted by Teala


    Bring back a true AC sequel and I would play it and pay to play it.   AC2 was a not what we were promised.   AC though...now that was an awesome game in its day and Turbine could make a ton of money if they made a true sequel to AC.   AC was skill  based and we had total freedom on how we created our characters and it was semi-twitch.   You could dodge arrows and war spells!  Game just rocked!

    So do you think they actually made AC2 to appeal to all their AC1 players?  Why would you do that?

    First you do not want to go and make a game that is going to appeal to players that are allready playing and paying to play your origional game.  Whats the point in that?  Player A that is allready paying for AC1 will now just swith to AC2 if it was just a clone of AC1 with better graphics and featuers.  What then have they accomplished?

    No I belive AC2 did the right thing in trying to make it the same yet very different.  Obviously it faled for some other reason but I would completley disagree wiht you if you are saying they should have just made a AC1 but better.

     

    Well clearly your line of thinking is the wrong choice - because as I recall AC2 failed most meserably due to the fact that it was not a true sequel.  Nevermind the broken chat, the broken classes, the broken skill trees, the flawed PvP system and lack there of, and Turbines failure to stop exploiting early on in the game, and the lack of guild related tools, the empty - souless cities and game world...need I go on..because I can.  I was a pioneer(inside joke if you played the game) I was in the game for beta nd for its release.   We were promised great things by Turbine and they delivered none of it.   So AC2 died...and good riddence to bad garbage.

    First of all the game failed because of some of the things you listed above but not because it wasn't a True sequel (I would love to see where you have facts to show this game failed because it wasn't a sequel).  I played the game from start to finish until the game shut down.  I played on Darktide and had some of my best memories in that game.

    How many players does AC1 even have?  How many did they even have in their prime time?  So the question is if you are a company looking to create the next best MMO do you try and just copy your own game but make it better or do you try and create a game that will hopefully be the next best thing?  Why would you just want to pull your subscribers from your own game to the next game? What then did you achive?

    MMO's are like books.  Is there the BEST book?  Do you think everyone wants just ONE ultimate BOOK?  Hell no.  There are hundreds of MMO's and that is what is great!  It gives us flavor...It gives us choices.  AC2 was one of these Flavors that for some of us was Fantastic.  Does that mean it sucked?  Hell no it doesnt.  Maybe to you it sucked but that does not mean it wasnt a great game.

    Does a book suck just because people dont know about it?  Does a book suck because I dont like it but you do?

    I completley understand what you are saying when it comes to AC2's failures but to just simply come out and say the game was a piece of crap..it sucked...it should have been a copy/sequal to AC1 and then it would have been great just doesnt make sense to me.

  • AndraxxAndraxx Member UncommonPosts: 256
    Originally posted by SirBongsAlot


    I hope it never comes back AC 2 was an embarrestment(sp) to the Asheron's Call name, thats what happens when Devs say they will listen to their players and then turn it all upside down and fucked up!!!!!!!!!  Now if they made Asheron's Call 3: Asheron's Rebirth then I'd be all over that....I do believe that MS was outa the picture 1-2yrs before the shit pile that was Asheron's Call 2....I played Asheron's Call from Dec'99(Shadow Wars)-June'05

    Microsoft was very much involved with AC2 prior to and through the first year after launch. It is pretty well-known that they rushed it to launch far too early, when there was insufficient content and known exploits still unplugged. Then it was the Microsoft GUN server that crapped out and prevented chat for an extended period that drove away a lot of players.

    Turbine got the rights to the IP, but it was already too late for AC2. It was patched up and working well before the end, but almost noone was playing, so it was closed. At the time, it was rare for a game to close, but since then games with higher sub rates have been closed faster (ie Tabula Rasa).

    The game closed at the end of 2005, lasting three years. It's been 3 1/2 years since that closure, longer than the game was live, and yet there are still very loyal fans hoping the game will be resurrected somehow. Rather telling. I'd love to see it again.

    I rather doubt Turbine would consider a f2p option, since I can't see them devoting time to an RMT store like the one in DDO:U. If they just opened a couple servers and made it totally free, there is no income to support operating costs. What they could do is tack on a low monthly sub fee and hitch it to another game sub, and make it a mini-"Station Pass" situation similar to what SOE does.

     

  • TivianTivian Member UncommonPosts: 168

    MS did not own the rights. they owned the hardware. when MS got out of hosting.....Turbine didn't want to buy the hardware. they bought the hardware from MS to continue hosting AC. SO Turbine probably doesn't want to spend the money on setting all up again to make anything

  • BesCirgaBesCirga Member Posts: 806
    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by Greyloop

    Originally posted by Teala


    Bring back a true AC sequel and I would play it and pay to play it.   AC2 was a not what we were promised.   AC though...now that was an awesome game in its day and Turbine could make a ton of money if they made a true sequel to AC.   AC was skill  based and we had total freedom on how we created our characters and it was semi-twitch.   You could dodge arrows and war spells!  Game just rocked!

    So do you think they actually made AC2 to appeal to all their AC1 players?  Why would you do that?

    First you do not want to go and make a game that is going to appeal to players that are allready playing and paying to play your origional game.  Whats the point in that?  Player A that is allready paying for AC1 will now just swith to AC2 if it was just a clone of AC1 with better graphics and featuers.  What then have they accomplished?

    No I belive AC2 did the right thing in trying to make it the same yet very different.  Obviously it faled for some other reason but I would completley disagree wiht you if you are saying they should have just made a AC1 but better.

     

    Well clearly your line of thinking is the wrong choice - because as I recall AC2 failed most meserably due to the fact that it was not a true sequel.  Nevermind the broken chat, the broken classes, the broken skill trees, the flawed PvP system and lack there of, and Turbines failure to stop exploiting early on in the game, and the lack of guild related tools, the empty - souless cities and game world...need I go on..because I can.  I was a pioneer(inside joke if you played the game) I was in the game for beta nd for its release.   We were promised great things by Turbine and they delivered none of it.   So AC2 died...and good riddence to bad garbage.



     

    No, cleary its your line of thinking is the wrong choice. He got to enjoy a great game, did you? I swear, everytime I read these kind of posts, AC2 wasnt AC1 with updated graphics - /whine, I smile alittle. Not because they are funny, but rather of their ignorance. Most former AC1 players, me included, had a hard time recognizing AC1's features through AC2 layout. We didnt see what we wanted to see, but AC1 and AC2 are/was almost identical with minor differences.

    • Level/Skill hybid system with skills raised by earned XP
    • Both games had the same twitchy combat
    • melee/missile/magic defense and offense system
    • Both had seamless worlds to explore
    • Full random loot system
    • Same death penalty

    These are the things AC2 had taken from AC1 that was important to me. There were many more features taken from AC1, which were just presented differently in AC2.

    Some differences between the two:

    • In AC1; you set your "skill setup" in Character Creation and improved your current setup as you leveled. In AC2; you build your "skill setup" as you leveled up. (I choose not to say class because in teory, you didnt need to be one)
    • AC1 had stats, AC2 didnt. Atleast not viewable.
    • AC2 had a functional and enjoyable melee combat system. A pure melee build wasnt "inferior" like in AC1.
    • AC1 had housing
    • AC2 had mounts  

    Even with these diffences, the core of AC1 RPG rules and gameplay was put into AC2. Blaming Turbine for you not recognizing the features, seems rather silly to me. You even hail AC1 for their semi-twitch combat system, dodging arrows and spells FTW!... when the truth is, AC2 had the very same thing. Identical.  

    One thing is sure. Turbine had a lose - lose situation pleasing the AC1 fans...

  • boognish75boognish75 Member UncommonPosts: 1,540

    I would definatly try ac2, As this is one of the gam,es i didnt to get to at least try and i wish i would have.

    playing eq2 and two worlds

  • AlienShirtAlienShirt Member UncommonPosts: 621
    Originally posted by Greyloop


    Would you pick up this game again if they did a relaunch with their expansion "Legions", made some system improvments to bring it up to par with the LOTRO engine, but made it a Free 2 Play MMO?



     

    Having beta tested AC2 and trying hard to like it after it launched I wouldn't even play it if it was F2P. Seriously AC1 is leaps and bounds better than AC2 ever was. Turbine would have to pay me to play AC2 again.

  • AC2 never really died. It was morphed and reborn again.


    Its called LOTRO. Yep, same engine, same game mechanics, same combat, same "swim but don't go under water" thing. Turbine must be laughing their butts off at this one.


    LOTRO is the true successor to AC2. Why should they make AC2 F2P when they have LOTRO that's P2P?


    Back in the day, the big 3 were UO, AC1 and EQ1. They all played different. People really liked EQ1 so when AC2 came up Turbine decided to leverage peoples love for EQ1 by Turning AC1 into an EQ1 clone. This not only destroyed AC2 but damaged AC1 as well. People ... and I means LOTS of them ... were lining up to play AC2 thinking it was a true sequel to AC1. More people in fact that actually played AC1 by far. It wasn't even close to AC1 and they left or never bothered.


    Shame really because we've been stuck with DIKU MUD/EQ1 clones ever since.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Greyloop

    Originally posted by Brianadams73


    Yea AC 2 pwns i dont see why that cant just do what they did with DDO 

     

    Hey here's a thought...

    Maybe MMORPG.com reopened these AC2 forums because they are gearing up for this to actually happen....LOL I know I know its a dream but one can always wish right.

    Seriously though.....other then some money that would maybe have to be put out in marketing the idea sounds sound to me to.



     

    Yeah, and Earth and Beyond and Mourning are coming back too since their forums have reappeared also.

    These forums being brought back was the result of someone's coding fuckup.

  • BesCirgaBesCirga Member Posts: 806
    Originally posted by Malkosha


    AC2 never really died. It was morphed and reborn again.


    Its called LOTRO. Yep, same engine, same game mechanics, same combat, same "swim but don't go under water" thing. Turbine must be laughing their butts off at this one.


    LOTRO is the true successor to AC2. Why should they make AC2 F2P when they have LOTRO that's P2P?


    Back in the day, the big 3 were UO, AC1 and EQ1. They all played different. People really liked EQ1 so when AC2 came up Turbine decided to leverage peoples love for EQ1 by Turning AC1 into an EQ1 clone. This not only destroyed AC2 but damaged AC1 as well. People ... and I means LOTS of them ... were lining up to play AC2 thinking it was a true sequel to AC1. More people in fact that actually played AC1 by far. It wasn't even close to AC1 and they left or never bothered.


    Shame really because we've been stuck with DIKU MUD/EQ1 clones ever since.
     
     



     

    Lotro isnt even close to being like AC2. Where did that come from?

    Same engine -  newer and modified, yes.

    Same Game mechanics Not true. Lotro is using the EQ game mechanics. AC2 was using the AC1 game mechanics.

    Same Combat - Not even close. AC2 had a twich combat system.

    Same swimming - lol okey, Ill give you that one

  • Storm.Storm. Member UncommonPosts: 256

    To clarify since there is a lot of confusion.

     

    Microsoft owned the AC IP up until well into Ac2 when it was purchased for 8 million? dollars after they gained new private investors.

     

    Sony was launching a publishing division near the time, and Turbine went with them because they were cheap.  They had problems with some of the discs.  Their agreement was simply make the cd and ship it out.

  • yabooeryabooer Member Posts: 97

    Lotro isn't ac2 just because their are preset classes which made the game unfun for me the pvp system blew lotro is just no fun.

    Ac2 > Ac1 any day IMO

     

    /Throws on flame suit for ac1 flamin losers

  • spades07spades07 Member UncommonPosts: 852

    you bugger OP..

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by Greyloop

    Originally posted by Teala


    Bring back a true AC sequel and I would play it and pay to play it.   AC2 was a not what we were promised.   AC though...now that was an awesome game in its day and Turbine could make a ton of money if they made a true sequel to AC.   AC was skill  based and we had total freedom on how we created our characters and it was semi-twitch.   You could dodge arrows and war spells!  Game just rocked!

    So do you think they actually made AC2 to appeal to all their AC1 players?  Why would you do that?

    First you do not want to go and make a game that is going to appeal to players that are allready playing and paying to play your origional game.  Whats the point in that?  Player A that is allready paying for AC1 will now just swith to AC2 if it was just a clone of AC1 with better graphics and featuers.  What then have they accomplished?

    No I belive AC2 did the right thing in trying to make it the same yet very different.  Obviously it faled for some other reason but I would completley disagree wiht you if you are saying they should have just made a AC1 but better.

     

    Well clearly your line of thinking is the wrong choice - because as I recall AC2 failed most meserably due to the fact that it was not a true sequel.  Nevermind the broken chat, the broken classes, the broken skill trees, the flawed PvP system and lack there of, and Turbines failure to stop exploiting early on in the game, and the lack of guild related tools, the empty - souless cities and game world...need I go on..because I can.  I was a pioneer(inside joke if you played the game) I was in the game for beta nd for its release.   We were promised great things by Turbine and they delivered none of it.   So AC2 died...and good riddence to bad garbage.



     

    Your completely wrong and logical becouse your just a ac1 fanboi who come here and troll becouse you hate ac2.

    AC2 failed becouse of lack advertisement and to early released not what you mentioned maybe small fraction of ac1 haters demonize ac2 for what it was.

    AC2 was great mmo for its time and all who play it a lot love ac2 more then all ac1 players together.

    AC1 should be free 2 play now its old and outdated AC2 still would compete with many mmo's out there even grafhics wise.

    Go troll on your ac1 forums:P

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • fortuentefortuente Member Posts: 66

    I never played AC2, but I've been curious now for some time. I would definitely give it a try if it was re-released.

    I have a pretty strong feeling, though, considering the baggage from killing the title and the length of (technological) time passed that this is never going to happen. But an AC3? I could see that happening.

    If you think about it, bringing the AC2 engine up to date with the modern AC engine (I forget what they're calling it) would probably be a big enough task to warrant just creating a new title altogether. Of course I could be wrong, look at what Valve did when they updated their older games to Source. But Valve is an exceptional gamesmaker, so I won't bother to count on it.

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by Greyloop

    Originally posted by Hammertime1


    Not in a million years.

    Courious to see what your thoughts are on why they wouldnt want to do this.

     

    What would be the downsided to setting something up like this in your opinion?



     

    Im positive he have never played AC2 as so many they just troll forums whit hate replys:(

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by AlienShirt

    Originally posted by Greyloop


    Would you pick up this game again if they did a relaunch with their expansion "Legions", made some system improvments to bring it up to par with the LOTRO engine, but made it a Free 2 Play MMO?



     

    Having beta tested AC2 and trying hard to like it after it launched I wouldn't even play it if it was F2P. Seriously AC1 is leaps and bounds better than AC2 ever was. Turbine would have to pay me to play AC2 again.



     

    Lol you eather have never played AC2 or just as so many ac1 players thought it would be ac1 with better grafhics and you demonize ac2 sind then your just haters/trolls nothing more:(

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • HadorakHadorak Member Posts: 25
    Originally posted by Greyloop

    Originally posted by Yaboze


    There is no reason why Turbine can't do what they did for DDO for AC2.
    DDO was obviously losing players and had low subs.
    Relaunch AC2 as a Free to Play game, update the engine, which is an earlier version of the Lotro/DDO engine and put it out there as a digital download. Include the expansion as well. Start it clean.
    TBH, I would pay to play AC2 again, but regardless, I would definitely play a F2P AC2. DDO is now going F2P and I didn't even bother because it doesn't interest me.
    The game was pretty polished and had all class and crafting revamps already. It was a "working" MMO that just had a low player base and an engine that was probably too ahead of it's time for 2002.
    There is a fanbase that exists, there are other message boards with activity and people wanting this game revived. It may not be millions but I would say if they opened 2 servers, PvE and a PvP, they would be filled.
    There are lots of F2P games and even SOE has one, Free Realms. AC2 blows that game away.
    COME ON TURBINE!
     



     

    You hit the nail right on the Head!  This is exactally what I would do.  One PvE and one PVP server and F2P.

    COME ON TURBINE!!



     

    Where do I sign up?  :D

    I miss this game terribly !

  • witchboywitchboy Member Posts: 30

    they are raising another 50 mill in Venture captialism. We can hope.

     

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by Hadorak

    Originally posted by Greyloop

    Originally posted by Yaboze


    There is no reason why Turbine can't do what they did for DDO for AC2.
    DDO was obviously losing players and had low subs.
    Relaunch AC2 as a Free to Play game, update the engine, which is an earlier version of the Lotro/DDO engine and put it out there as a digital download. Include the expansion as well. Start it clean.
    TBH, I would pay to play AC2 again, but regardless, I would definitely play a F2P AC2. DDO is now going F2P and I didn't even bother because it doesn't interest me.
    The game was pretty polished and had all class and crafting revamps already. It was a "working" MMO that just had a low player base and an engine that was probably too ahead of it's time for 2002.
    There is a fanbase that exists, there are other message boards with activity and people wanting this game revived. It may not be millions but I would say if they opened 2 servers, PvE and a PvP, they would be filled.
    There are lots of F2P games and even SOE has one, Free Realms. AC2 blows that game away.
    COME ON TURBINE!
     



     

    You hit the nail right on the Head!  This is exactally what I would do.  One PvE and one PVP server and F2P.

    COME ON TURBINE!!



     

    Where do I sign up?  :D

    I miss this game terribly !



     

    It won't happen for many reasons, but they should just let someone else run the game give them the code so they can make a free 2 play server.

    Im positive that there would be plenty who wanne play AC2 specially with so many who have now so much better PC then 4-5 years ago, game is still great looking comepare to many mmo's out there right now.

    Plus its a great party quest game to have lots of fun with unique TACTS!

    And far better music instrument system to play music with others then LOTR:)

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

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  • witchboywitchboy Member Posts: 30

    I think there is a need for a few updates to it, like a cancel button for quests you don't want to do. and being able to add people to groups over mass distance instead of requiring to be face to face.

  • shovi12shovi12 Member Posts: 16

    bring AC2 BACK!!! 

    AC2 Morningthaw, Horizons, SWG, EQ2, L2, COH, Vanguard, Runes of Magic, Rift, SWTOR, AA, Tera

  • EvasiaEvasia Member Posts: 2,827
    Originally posted by shovi12


    bring AC2 BACK!!! 



     

    Maybe your wish come true!

    AC2 deserves this:)

    Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
    In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.

  • Grand_LCGrand_LC Member UncommonPosts: 46

    This may sound a bit weird but I would actually prefer if they relaunched it with a monthly fee. I'm not rich.. Not even close. F2P games just ALWAYS attract all the wrong people it seems. A lot of my AC-love comes from the community in those games and I would hate to see it turn into a 1337-kiddie spam fest.

    Of course they couldn't expect to get $15 like new games but the costs of running an older game can't possibly be anywhere near the costs of a new game anyway.



    F2P: I probably wouldn't play it. 

    Smaller monthly fee: I would be there the second it reopened. :)

  • BesCirgaBesCirga Member Posts: 806
    Originally posted by Grand_LC


    This may sound a bit weird but I would actually prefer if they relaunched it with a monthly fee. I'm not rich.. Not even close. F2P games just ALWAYS attract all the wrong people it seems. A lot of my AC-love comes from the community in those games and I would hate to see it turn into a 1337-kiddie spam fest.

    Of course they couldn't expect to get $15 like new games but the costs of running an older game can't possibly be anywhere near the costs of a new game anyway.



    F2P: I probably wouldn't play it. 

    Smaller monthly fee: I would be there the second it reopened. :)



     

    I wouldnt worry too much about leet-kiddies playing AC2. I assume they wouldnt last long in a game they couldnt reach level-cap, almost no gear rewards for big quests/raids, and very little solo quests available ;)

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