Seriously though, I doubt she found her way out of the hotel without her parents knowing what she was wearing. If it's okay with her parents (who are both fairly politically savvy) then I don't care.
I don't hold an 11 year old girl's atire responsible for upholding the reputation of all US citizens. However, if I did, a Peace shirt wouldn't be a bad reputation to have. It's definitely better than having the reputation of a bunch or war mongers.
Her clothes are appropriate for a young girl touring the colosseum even when considering who her father is. She is visiting a place not a person and her choice of clothes is better than, or at least inline with, the rest of the tourists. As far as the comments on that site goes - they're way out of line, she's just a kid and there's no excuse for grown adults verbally attacking children.
That is a matter of opinion based on your culture, generation, and how you were raised. It is not considerate to other cultures or generations. According to my grandmother that attire would not have been acceptable for me to walk down the hallway in the middle of the night to get a glass of water with everyone sleeping, little lone going out in public.
I have worn much less than she is, but would not do so in such a public place, or in such a position of honor to my parents holding such a position in office. It is a matter of respect for your elders, your country, other cultures and other nations that should be taken into consideration in this matter. It is disrespectful not to, at least that was how I was raised.
I was raised to dress for the occasion.
Your grandmother was able to set the terms of what was appropriate or not because it was her house.
In rome there are not such rules - the daughter was dressed properly for the occasion because her clothes reflected those of her fellow tourists.
As far as insulting other people's cultures as the foundation for how to dress properly - how far are you willing to take it?
Her clothes are appropriate for a young girl touring the colosseum even when considering who her father is. She is visiting a place not a person and her choice of clothes is better than, or at least inline with, the rest of the tourists. As far as the comments on that site goes - they're way out of line, she's just a kid and there's no excuse for grown adults verbally attacking children.
That is a matter of opinion based on your culture, generation, and how you were raised. It is not considerate to other cultures or generations. According to my grandmother that attire would not have been acceptable for me to walk down the hallway in the middle of the night to get a glass of water with everyone sleeping, little lone going out in public.
I have worn much less than she is, but would not do so in such a public place, or in such a position of honor to my parents holding such a position in office. It is a matter of respect for your elders, your country, other cultures and other nations that should be taken into consideration in this matter. It is disrespectful not to, at least that was how I was raised.
I was raised to dress for the occasion.
Your grandmother was able to set the terms of what was appropriate or not because it was her house.
In rome there are not such rules - the daughter was dressed properly for the occasion because her clothes reflected those of her fellow tourists.
As far as insulting other people's cultures as the foundation for how to dress properly - how far are you willing to take it?
You have the potential to grant a minority too much power when you allow them to dictate how others should dress.
As I stated above, pretty simple rules to follow, no need to cover them from head to toes silly.
"1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
Pretty easy rules to follow. If your hem line is more than a hands length above the knee, if it is too form fitting, or too loose, it is not suitable for dimplomatic ventures into other nations. What she wears hanging out with her friends at home is no business other than her parents and her own."
There is only one peace that is widely understood: This is what she should of been wearing nuff said
Yay warmongering! That must be good 'ol GW's and his staff's insignia during his terms. One legit war and one war that was totally useless, uncalled for, and based upon lies. No wonder he's viewed as being one of the worst presidents in American History.
There is only one peace that is widely understood: This is what she should of been wearing nuff said
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Does that go for Teddy Roosevelt as well, whose most famous motto was, "Speak softly and carry a big stick"? To think we can be defenseless and remain safe and free is the lunacy.
Someone named "devilicious", who talks about partying and drinking, has a scantily clad avatar of a succubus and uses profanity but claims to be a devout Christian is actually saying an 11-year old girl is dressing "inappropriately for wearing a T-shirt"?
I don't think the irony meter in this thread can get much higher than that.
First off, what does "dress code" have to do with Christianity? What does respect for others have to do with Christianity? I have never once claimed to be a devout Christian, and your ridiculous accusations make no sense whatsoever.
If it is not appropriate attire for her to wear to private school, it is not appropriate attire to accompany the President of the United States on a business trip. That has nothing to do with my personal preferences, nothing to do with what I think an 11 year old girl should be able to wear/ not wear. Due to her fathers position of honor, his children should be dressed respectfully towards other cultures and generations. I do not wear shorts to visit my grandmother due to respect for her, not because of my religious beliefs, but because I respect her culture, her generation. Why is dressing respectful for others such a big deal anyhow? They can dress however they want most of the time, I wouldn;t think it that big of a deal to have your children dress appropriately for diplomatic public representation.
It is a matter of respecting others, not your personal preferences. I guess it is beyond people these days to think about anyone other than themselves. Courtesy, understanding, and respect are the issues here, not just short shorts and a T- shirt.
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth"
You're talking about "when I was raised this was inappropriate" and how what she was wearing isn't appropriate. You are making moral judgements on an 11 year old girl.
I don't think your Grandma would think you pretending your a sexy succubus on a website is Christian and morally upright either, not to mention appropriate if she would object to what that girl was wearing. You know, the same one who taught you T-shirts in public are evil or trashy or whatever.
"Hey Grandma... Look... I'm "devilicious"!"
I can only imagine what her opinion of you would be as an adult relative to yours of an 11 year old child. People dress how they want, not for others eyes. She's not going to private school there, she's going sightseeing, lol. Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes about as much sense that because she goes to a private school, that she should wear those same clothes to an amusement park. She's on her own time here, not in class learning and there's no "dress code" other than shoes, shirt, pants.
I suppose her hair isn't to your liking either? Too casual? Or her nails? She should have it up in a dignified "private school" bun, right?
1. I do not " pretend " to be anything ..
2. My grandmother does not control my life, but out of respect for her, in her presence I dress and behave accordingly as to not insult her. That does not mean I have to agree with what she believes, that only means that due to my respect for her, I do not behave that way in her presence.
3. she is not just " going site seeing." Public funds paid for her trip, Yes the people of this nation. Her father was there on national business. Her father being the presient of this nation puts her in the spotlight to represent our nation. Whether or not she asked for it, it was thrown in her lap. The way many other countries view their family is as a representation of our nation. What elders may view as underwear we view as clothing. That is understanding the generation gaps, and understanding culture gaps. IF she had went site seeing in her bra and undies would you view it differently? That is how many of the older generations view her attire. My grandmother, no matter how much I have tried to explain to her still views shorts as mens underwear.. and she isn't the only one who thinks that.
You do not seem to understand or care what other generations or cultures may think of her attire, but her attire reflects poorly on her parents. The first thing they say is what kind of a father would allow their young daughter to wear such a thing? I have heard it time and time again..
The only point you are proving is you have no understanding other than your own. You do not understand or respect other cultures or genertaions and see no reason to. to be a " diplomat" you would have to fully understand these things as to not appear insulting.
You can't possibly appease all cultures at the same time with attire - so why bother? With the clothes you and I wear day to day, we 'offend' people of various different cultures and beliefs. Since part of my university tuition is paid for by the tax payers, I should, by your reasoning, dress as neutral and respectful. Bollocks - nobody has the right to condemn others for what they're wearing, especially if its not in the least bit defying cultural norms and values. She's an eleven year old girl in her spare time, and should be able to dress however the hell she wants.
If anything, your country stands (or at least, pretends to stand) for freedom, and that is the only 'culture' she should represent. Wearing casual clothes and being able to forget you're the daughter of one of the world's most important men symbolises that. Even then, I end up wondering who she could possibly offend wearing clothes like that. I didn't feel this was the least bit thread worthy. (Sorry, Upallnight! You're actually one of my favourite posters otherwise.)
Would you feel differently if she had gone site seeing in her bra and panties? Well that is the point here, many elders view her attire as just that .. My grandmother, for example sees all shorts as mens underwear. A t-shirt and shorts were considered " underwear" in their day, there is a difference between wanting to appease all cultures and dressing repsectfully to elders. Simple rules for apporpriate dimplomatic dress:
1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
Pretty easy rules to follow. If your hem line is more than a hands length above the knee, if it is too form fitting, or too loose, it is not suitable for dimplomatic ventures into other nations. What she wears hanging out with her friends at home is no business other than her parents and her own.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Perhaps there is a subtle but huge difference between our two cultures, north American and north-western European, at work here too. Where I come from, the elderly and the rest of our culture don't mind one bit. Perhaps because even a large portion of our elderly are atheist. Over here, nobody cares what the children of heads of state wear, I'd think. For all we care they walk through Amsterdam and The Hague in bikini or swimming trousers.
There is only one peace that is widely understood: This is what she should of been wearing nuff said
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
I guess we don't share the same definition of war/peace. If 1 country would take over the world by force war would be something of the past.
Not really. Ever heard of "attrition war"? Even if one country managed by sheer force of firepower to "take over", it would need double that army to maintain stability over the region.
Peace through conquest historically has never been achieved.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
There is only one peace that is widely understood: This is what she should of been wearing nuff said
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
Seriously? It doesn't say anywhere about using it. The goal is to have superior firepower and hopefully never have to use it.
There's a famous quote by Josef Stalin that sums up pretty well the kind of world we live in and expresses perfectly the need for a powerful defense. One of his advisors told him once that the Pope might not take too kindly to his harsh treatment of Catholics under his rule. To which Stalin replied, "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?"
Superior firepower is the only language some people understand.
There is only one peace that is widely understood: This is what she should of been wearing nuff said
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
Seriously? It doesn't say anywhere about using it. The goal is to have superior firepower and hopefully never have to use it.
There's a famous quote by Josef Stalin that sums up pretty well the kind of world we live in and expresses perfectly the need for a powerful defense. One of his advisors told him once that the Pope might not take too kindly to his harsh treatment of Catholics under his rule. To which Stalin replied, "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?"
Superior firepower is the only language some people understand.
If you have superior firepower that others know about, or at least think they know about. You are using it. You don't have to fire it for it to be useful.
Which is why I included fear and intimidation in there.
Having it is fine. Pushing it in someone's face and telling them to behave is not.
There is only one peace that is widely understood: This is what she should of been wearing nuff said
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Does that go for Teddy Roosevelt as well, whose most famous motto was, "Speak softly and carry a big stick"? To think we can be defenseless and remain safe and free is the lunacy.
Who said anything about being "defenseless"?
Jesus, you right wing whackjobs are in love with the idea of killing people.
As I stated above, pretty simple rules to follow, no need to cover them from head to toes silly.
"1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
Pretty easy rules to follow. If your hem line is more than a hands length above the knee, if it is too form fitting, or too loose, it is not suitable for dimplomatic ventures into other nations. What she wears hanging out with her friends at home is no business other than her parents and her own."
Why is that so hard?
I wonder if this meets your grooming standards. Here they are in Ghana.
If so, realize there is not much difference in that picture and the other one except shes not wearing shorts.
Your fashion scale is pretty ridiculous and quite picayune. Dems usually don't dress their kids like mini-CEOS as the Republicans do. To me, THIS is a crime to do to an 11 year old:
Her clothes are appropriate for a young girl touring the colosseum even when considering who her father is. She is visiting a place not a person and her choice of clothes is better than, or at least inline with, the rest of the tourists. As far as the comments on that site goes - they're way out of line, she's just a kid and there's no excuse for grown adults verbally attacking children.
That is a matter of opinion based on your culture, generation, and how you were raised. It is not considerate to other cultures or generations. According to my grandmother that attire would not have been acceptable for me to walk down the hallway in the middle of the night to get a glass of water with everyone sleeping, little lone going out in public.
I have worn much less than she is, but would not do so in such a public place, or in such a position of honor to my parents holding such a position in office. It is a matter of respect for your elders, your country, other cultures and other nations that should be taken into consideration in this matter. It is disrespectful not to, at least that was how I was raised.
I was raised to dress for the occasion.
Your grandmother was able to set the terms of what was appropriate or not because it was her house.
In rome there are not such rules - the daughter was dressed properly for the occasion because her clothes reflected those of her fellow tourists.
As far as insulting other people's cultures as the foundation for how to dress properly - how far are you willing to take it?
You have the potential to grant a minority too much power when you allow them to dictate how others should dress.
As I stated above, pretty simple rules to follow, no need to cover them from head to toes silly.
"1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
Pretty easy rules to follow. If your hem line is more than a hands length above the knee, if it is too form fitting, or too loose, it is not suitable for dimplomatic ventures into other nations. What she wears hanging out with her friends at home is no business other than her parents and her own."
Why is that so hard?
If you look again at her clothes you'll see that they reflect your 2 point criteria:
1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
As a side note, that symbol is not really a direct symbol of peace, it's a Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament logo. She's probably wearing it to underline her father's recent discussions to reduce Russia and America's nuclear stockpile. So, it's probably not by coincidence that she was wearing those printed shirts, and as long as she's wearing informal attire, the shorts are appropriate.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
To the OP I went to check out the link you provided and for some reason the Admin pulled it. Cencorship really PISSES ME OFF just for the record. So why did this sites Admins pull the link? If it was because it was offensive that is even more reason to keep it up. That way we as semi intelligent human beings can make semi intelligent decisions as to what we think is right and wrong and discuss the issue. It's hard to have freedom of speech when we are being CENCORED!!
As far as her pic she's wearing a t-shirt with a 'peace' sign on it. She looks like your average kid to me. I wonder why that is...maybe her parents want her to be an 'average' kid in some aspect Instead of FORCING her to act like an adult.
As far as adults go... what's up with adults being hostile towards a child wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign? Quite the irony there. Keep in mind SHE is not the one that ran for office. Let the kid be a kid.
It doesn't take any guts for an adult to criticize a kid wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign on it. To those who do - your pathetic. So why would the Admin censor us and not allow us to see how vile adults can be towards a child? Does this Admin agree with adults verbally assaulting children wearing t-shirts with peace signs? By censoring us and not allowing us to create our OWN informed decisions, we can only speculate.
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As much as I agree with you (and I do, with everything you said), poster above; I hate it when people put PERIOD at the end of their sentence, I never understood why. We know that it's the end of the sentence by virtue of the fact that there is, indeed, a small dot there.
As much as I agree with you (and I do, with everything you said), poster above; I hate it when people put PERIOD at the end of their sentence, I never understood why. We know that it's the end of the sentence by virtue of the fact that there is, indeed, a small dot there.
What's funny is that after I posted and reread what I said I thought it looked rather dumb myself. While you were posting your message I was editing mine. No more PERIODS, just my opinions.
As far as the small dot though, sometime it just needs to be bigger, LIKE THIS, to emphasise something, IMHO.
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That this is seriously a subject that people feel warrents this type of discussion only leads me to believe that people have way too much time on their hands.
That this is seriously a subject that people feel warrents this type of discussion only leads me to believe that people have way too much time on their hands.
Is this supposed to be ironic?
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Originally posted by sniperg Not really. Ever heard of "attrition war"? Even if one country managed by sheer force of firepower to "take over", it would need double that army to maintain stability over the region. Peace through conquest historically has never been achieved.
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You sure that's not Lisa Bonet?
Seriously though, I doubt she found her way out of the hotel without her parents knowing what she was wearing. If it's okay with her parents (who are both fairly politically savvy) then I don't care.
I don't hold an 11 year old girl's atire responsible for upholding the reputation of all US citizens. However, if I did, a Peace shirt wouldn't be a bad reputation to have. It's definitely better than having the reputation of a bunch or war mongers.
The link in the OP was remove by the religion moderator lol
That is a matter of opinion based on your culture, generation, and how you were raised. It is not considerate to other cultures or generations. According to my grandmother that attire would not have been acceptable for me to walk down the hallway in the middle of the night to get a glass of water with everyone sleeping, little lone going out in public.
I have worn much less than she is, but would not do so in such a public place, or in such a position of honor to my parents holding such a position in office. It is a matter of respect for your elders, your country, other cultures and other nations that should be taken into consideration in this matter. It is disrespectful not to, at least that was how I was raised.
I was raised to dress for the occasion.
Your grandmother was able to set the terms of what was appropriate or not because it was her house.
In rome there are not such rules - the daughter was dressed properly for the occasion because her clothes reflected those of her fellow tourists.
As far as insulting other people's cultures as the foundation for how to dress properly - how far are you willing to take it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_sartorial_hijab
You have the potential to grant a minority too much power when you allow them to dictate how others should dress.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
That is a matter of opinion based on your culture, generation, and how you were raised. It is not considerate to other cultures or generations. According to my grandmother that attire would not have been acceptable for me to walk down the hallway in the middle of the night to get a glass of water with everyone sleeping, little lone going out in public.
I have worn much less than she is, but would not do so in such a public place, or in such a position of honor to my parents holding such a position in office. It is a matter of respect for your elders, your country, other cultures and other nations that should be taken into consideration in this matter. It is disrespectful not to, at least that was how I was raised.
I was raised to dress for the occasion.
Your grandmother was able to set the terms of what was appropriate or not because it was her house.
In rome there are not such rules - the daughter was dressed properly for the occasion because her clothes reflected those of her fellow tourists.
As far as insulting other people's cultures as the foundation for how to dress properly - how far are you willing to take it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_sartorial_hijab
You have the potential to grant a minority too much power when you allow them to dictate how others should dress.
As I stated above, pretty simple rules to follow, no need to cover them from head to toes silly.
"1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
Pretty easy rules to follow. If your hem line is more than a hands length above the knee, if it is too form fitting, or too loose, it is not suitable for dimplomatic ventures into other nations. What she wears hanging out with her friends at home is no business other than her parents and her own."
Why is that so hard?
Yay warmongering! That must be good 'ol GW's and his staff's insignia during his terms. One legit war and one war that was totally useless, uncalled for, and based upon lies. No wonder he's viewed as being one of the worst presidents in American History.
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
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Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
The Official God FAQ
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Does that go for Teddy Roosevelt as well, whose most famous motto was, "Speak softly and carry a big stick"? To think we can be defenseless and remain safe and free is the lunacy.
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
I guess we don't share the same definition of war/peace. If 1 country would take over the world by force war would be something of the past.
If it is not appropriate attire for her to wear to private school, it is not appropriate attire to accompany the President of the United States on a business trip. That has nothing to do with my personal preferences, nothing to do with what I think an 11 year old girl should be able to wear/ not wear. Due to her fathers position of honor, his children should be dressed respectfully towards other cultures and generations. I do not wear shorts to visit my grandmother due to respect for her, not because of my religious beliefs, but because I respect her culture, her generation. Why is dressing respectful for others such a big deal anyhow? They can dress however they want most of the time, I wouldn;t think it that big of a deal to have your children dress appropriately for diplomatic public representation.
It is a matter of respecting others, not your personal preferences. I guess it is beyond people these days to think about anyone other than themselves. Courtesy, understanding, and respect are the issues here, not just short shorts and a T- shirt.
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth"
You're talking about "when I was raised this was inappropriate" and how what she was wearing isn't appropriate. You are making moral judgements on an 11 year old girl.
I don't think your Grandma would think you pretending your a sexy succubus on a website is Christian and morally upright either, not to mention appropriate if she would object to what that girl was wearing. You know, the same one who taught you T-shirts in public are evil or trashy or whatever.
"Hey Grandma... Look... I'm "devilicious"!"
I can only imagine what her opinion of you would be as an adult relative to yours of an 11 year old child. People dress how they want, not for others eyes. She's not going to private school there, she's going sightseeing, lol. Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes about as much sense that because she goes to a private school, that she should wear those same clothes to an amusement park. She's on her own time here, not in class learning and there's no "dress code" other than shoes, shirt, pants.
I suppose her hair isn't to your liking either? Too casual? Or her nails? She should have it up in a dignified "private school" bun, right?
1. I do not " pretend " to be anything ..
2. My grandmother does not control my life, but out of respect for her, in her presence I dress and behave accordingly as to not insult her. That does not mean I have to agree with what she believes, that only means that due to my respect for her, I do not behave that way in her presence.
3. she is not just " going site seeing." Public funds paid for her trip, Yes the people of this nation. Her father was there on national business. Her father being the presient of this nation puts her in the spotlight to represent our nation. Whether or not she asked for it, it was thrown in her lap. The way many other countries view their family is as a representation of our nation. What elders may view as underwear we view as clothing. That is understanding the generation gaps, and understanding culture gaps. IF she had went site seeing in her bra and undies would you view it differently? That is how many of the older generations view her attire. My grandmother, no matter how much I have tried to explain to her still views shorts as mens underwear.. and she isn't the only one who thinks that.
You do not seem to understand or care what other generations or cultures may think of her attire, but her attire reflects poorly on her parents. The first thing they say is what kind of a father would allow their young daughter to wear such a thing? I have heard it time and time again..
The only point you are proving is you have no understanding other than your own. You do not understand or respect other cultures or genertaions and see no reason to. to be a " diplomat" you would have to fully understand these things as to not appear insulting.
You can't possibly appease all cultures at the same time with attire - so why bother? With the clothes you and I wear day to day, we 'offend' people of various different cultures and beliefs. Since part of my university tuition is paid for by the tax payers, I should, by your reasoning, dress as neutral and respectful. Bollocks - nobody has the right to condemn others for what they're wearing, especially if its not in the least bit defying cultural norms and values. She's an eleven year old girl in her spare time, and should be able to dress however the hell she wants.
If anything, your country stands (or at least, pretends to stand) for freedom, and that is the only 'culture' she should represent. Wearing casual clothes and being able to forget you're the daughter of one of the world's most important men symbolises that. Even then, I end up wondering who she could possibly offend wearing clothes like that. I didn't feel this was the least bit thread worthy. (Sorry, Upallnight! You're actually one of my favourite posters otherwise.)
Would you feel differently if she had gone site seeing in her bra and panties? Well that is the point here, many elders view her attire as just that .. My grandmother, for example sees all shorts as mens underwear. A t-shirt and shorts were considered " underwear" in their day, there is a difference between wanting to appease all cultures and dressing repsectfully to elders. Simple rules for apporpriate dimplomatic dress:
1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
Pretty easy rules to follow. If your hem line is more than a hands length above the knee, if it is too form fitting, or too loose, it is not suitable for dimplomatic ventures into other nations. What she wears hanging out with her friends at home is no business other than her parents and her own.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Perhaps there is a subtle but huge difference between our two cultures, north American and north-western European, at work here too. Where I come from, the elderly and the rest of our culture don't mind one bit. Perhaps because even a large portion of our elderly are atheist. Over here, nobody cares what the children of heads of state wear, I'd think. For all we care they walk through Amsterdam and The Hague in bikini or swimming trousers.
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
I guess we don't share the same definition of war/peace. If 1 country would take over the world by force war would be something of the past.
Not really. Ever heard of "attrition war"? Even if one country managed by sheer force of firepower to "take over", it would need double that army to maintain stability over the region.
Peace through conquest historically has never been achieved.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
Seriously? It doesn't say anywhere about using it. The goal is to have superior firepower and hopefully never have to use it.
There's a famous quote by Josef Stalin that sums up pretty well the kind of world we live in and expresses perfectly the need for a powerful defense. One of his advisors told him once that the Pope might not take too kindly to his harsh treatment of Catholics under his rule. To which Stalin replied, "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?"
Superior firepower is the only language some people understand.
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
It's impossible. It's not peace if you have to use superior firepower. It's fear, intimidation, and/or violence. The exact opposite of peace.
Seriously? It doesn't say anywhere about using it. The goal is to have superior firepower and hopefully never have to use it.
There's a famous quote by Josef Stalin that sums up pretty well the kind of world we live in and expresses perfectly the need for a powerful defense. One of his advisors told him once that the Pope might not take too kindly to his harsh treatment of Catholics under his rule. To which Stalin replied, "The Pope? How many divisions has he got?"
Superior firepower is the only language some people understand.
If you have superior firepower that others know about, or at least think they know about. You are using it. You don't have to fire it for it to be useful.
Which is why I included fear and intimidation in there.
Having it is fine. Pushing it in someone's face and telling them to behave is not.
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Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
Yeah...like Vietnam....
"If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike"
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Not that I approve of the picture but peace by superior force always existed and worked.
Yeah...like Vietnam....
Alright... like cold war..
Anyone who believes in that motto is a lunatic.
Does that go for Teddy Roosevelt as well, whose most famous motto was, "Speak softly and carry a big stick"? To think we can be defenseless and remain safe and free is the lunacy.
Who said anything about being "defenseless"?
Jesus, you right wing whackjobs are in love with the idea of killing people.
I wonder if this meets your grooming standards. Here they are in Ghana.
If so, realize there is not much difference in that picture and the other one except shes not wearing shorts.
Your fashion scale is pretty ridiculous and quite picayune. Dems usually don't dress their kids like mini-CEOS as the Republicans do. To me, THIS is a crime to do to an 11 year old:
"TO MICHAEL!"
That is a matter of opinion based on your culture, generation, and how you were raised. It is not considerate to other cultures or generations. According to my grandmother that attire would not have been acceptable for me to walk down the hallway in the middle of the night to get a glass of water with everyone sleeping, little lone going out in public.
I have worn much less than she is, but would not do so in such a public place, or in such a position of honor to my parents holding such a position in office. It is a matter of respect for your elders, your country, other cultures and other nations that should be taken into consideration in this matter. It is disrespectful not to, at least that was how I was raised.
I was raised to dress for the occasion.
Your grandmother was able to set the terms of what was appropriate or not because it was her house.
In rome there are not such rules - the daughter was dressed properly for the occasion because her clothes reflected those of her fellow tourists.
As far as insulting other people's cultures as the foundation for how to dress properly - how far are you willing to take it?
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You have the potential to grant a minority too much power when you allow them to dictate how others should dress.
As I stated above, pretty simple rules to follow, no need to cover them from head to toes silly.
"1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
Pretty easy rules to follow. If your hem line is more than a hands length above the knee, if it is too form fitting, or too loose, it is not suitable for dimplomatic ventures into other nations. What she wears hanging out with her friends at home is no business other than her parents and her own."
Why is that so hard?
If you look again at her clothes you'll see that they reflect your 2 point criteria:
1. nothing too revealing, too tight fitting, or too loose or anything drawing unwanted attention.
2. clean, neat and un wrinkled.
As a side note, that symbol is not really a direct symbol of peace, it's a Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament logo. She's probably wearing it to underline her father's recent discussions to reduce Russia and America's nuclear stockpile. So, it's probably not by coincidence that she was wearing those printed shirts, and as long as she's wearing informal attire, the shorts are appropriate.
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
To the OP I went to check out the link you provided and for some reason the Admin pulled it. Cencorship really PISSES ME OFF just for the record. So why did this sites Admins pull the link? If it was because it was offensive that is even more reason to keep it up. That way we as semi intelligent human beings can make semi intelligent decisions as to what we think is right and wrong and discuss the issue. It's hard to have freedom of speech when we are being CENCORED!!
As far as her pic she's wearing a t-shirt with a 'peace' sign on it. She looks like your average kid to me. I wonder why that is...maybe her parents want her to be an 'average' kid in some aspect Instead of FORCING her to act like an adult.
As far as adults go... what's up with adults being hostile towards a child wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign? Quite the irony there. Keep in mind SHE is not the one that ran for office. Let the kid be a kid.
It doesn't take any guts for an adult to criticize a kid wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign on it. To those who do - your pathetic. So why would the Admin censor us and not allow us to see how vile adults can be towards a child? Does this Admin agree with adults verbally assaulting children wearing t-shirts with peace signs? By censoring us and not allowing us to create our OWN informed decisions, we can only speculate.
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As much as I agree with you (and I do, with everything you said), poster above; I hate it when people put PERIOD at the end of their sentence, I never understood why. We know that it's the end of the sentence by virtue of the fact that there is, indeed, a small dot there.
What's funny is that after I posted and reread what I said I thought it looked rather dumb myself. While you were posting your message I was editing mine. No more PERIODS, just my opinions.
As far as the small dot though, sometime it just needs to be bigger, LIKE THIS, to emphasise something, IMHO.
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That this is seriously a subject that people feel warrents this type of discussion only leads me to believe that people have way too much time on their hands.
Is this supposed to be ironic?
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
Tell that to the Carthaginians.......