I was browsing around YouTube and found this today. I completely forgot about this campaign ad. After watching it, a flood of memories came back regarding statements of how bad McCain's plan was and how his critics went on the attack (including those on this forum).
An "Obama Approved" ad states "We cannot afford John McCain" because his healthcare plan will tax the health care benefits workers receive and cut Medicare.
I was browsing around YouTube and found this today. I completely forgot about this campaign ad. After watching it, a flood of memories came back regarding statements of how bad McCain's plan was and how his critics went on the attack (including those on this forum). An "Obama Approved" ad states "We cannot afford John McCain" because his healthcare plan will tax the health care benefits workers receive and cut Medicare. Oh my, isn't that what is being done now? www.youtube.com/watch
Makes me giggle... but I'm not sure if it is in a good way...
I am wealthy. I live in a $750,000 home and drive a 2007 Pontiac G6 for everyday commuting and a 2008 BMW M6 for when I want to take liesure drives. Both vehicles are 100% paid for.. Over the last 15 years, I have worked my everloving ass off. I've taken advantage of educational benefits offered by employers; associated with and networked with movers and shakers in my areas of expertise; made sound investments which have paid off. Simply put, I have earned every red cent I've made without doing anything that is outside of the reach of anyone who really wants to get somewhere in his life. I wasn't handed anything by way of inheritance or entitlement.
How DARE any of you tell me I deserve to have to pay more in taxes? How dare any of you tell me that it's my responsibility to provide for the "less fortunate" ("fortunate" stemming from "fortune", which means "luck", which is a misnomer. I'll bet my retirement that easily 90% of the people sucking the tit of the government got in that position by making stupid decisions in their life. Luck didn't have a thing to do with it, but I digress).
Seriously, some of you people sicken me.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
I am wealthy. I live in a $750,000 home and drive a 2007 Pontiac G6 for everyday commuting and a 2008 BMW M6 for when I want to take liesure drives. Both vehicles are 100% paid for.. Over the last 15 years, I have worked my everloving ass off. I've taken advantage of educational benefits offered by employers; associated with and networked with movers and shakers in my areas of expertise; made sound investments which have paid off. Simply put, I have earned every red cent I've made without doing anything that is outside of the reach of anyone who really wants to get somewhere in his life. I wasn't handed anything by way of inheritance or entitlement. How DARE any of you tell me I deserve to have to pay more in taxes? How dare any of you tell me that it's my responsibility to provide for the "less fortunate" ("fortunate" stemming from "fortune", which means "luck", which is a misnomer. I'll bet my retirement that easily 90% of the people sucking the tit of the government got in that position by making stupid decisions in their life. Luck didn't have a thing to do with it, but I digress). Seriously, some of you people sicken me.
For someone that shouts out so loud that is so wealthy and well connected you sure bitch a lot.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
I am wealthy. I live in a $750,000 home and drive a 2007 Pontiac G6 for everyday commuting and a 2008 BMW M6 for when I want to take liesure drives. Both vehicles are 100% paid for.. Over the last 15 years, I have worked my everloving ass off. I've taken advantage of educational benefits offered by employers; associated with and networked with movers and shakers in my areas of expertise; made sound investments which have paid off. Simply put, I have earned every red cent I've made without doing anything that is outside of the reach of anyone who really wants to get somewhere in his life. I wasn't handed anything by way of inheritance or entitlement. How DARE any of you tell me I deserve to have to pay more in taxes? How dare any of you tell me that it's my responsibility to provide for the "less fortunate" ("fortunate" stemming from "fortune", which means "luck", which is a misnomer. I'll bet my retirement that easily 90% of the people sucking the tit of the government got in that position by making stupid decisions in their life. Luck didn't have a thing to do with it, but I digress). Seriously, some of you people sicken me.
For someone that shouts out so loud that is so wealthy and well connected you sure bitch a lot.
Pulled that one out of your ass, eh? Congratulations. Want a cookie?
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
I am wealthy. I live in a $750,000 home and drive a 2007 Pontiac G6 for everyday commuting and a 2008 BMW M6 for when I want to take liesure drives. Both vehicles are 100% paid for.. Over the last 15 years, I have worked my everloving ass off. I've taken advantage of educational benefits offered by employers; associated with and networked with movers and shakers in my areas of expertise; made sound investments which have paid off. Simply put, I have earned every red cent I've made without doing anything that is outside of the reach of anyone who really wants to get somewhere in his life. I wasn't handed anything by way of inheritance or entitlement. How DARE any of you tell me I deserve to have to pay more in taxes? How dare any of you tell me that it's my responsibility to provide for the "less fortunate" ("fortunate" stemming from "fortune", which means "luck", which is a misnomer. I'll bet my retirement that easily 90% of the people sucking the tit of the government got in that position by making stupid decisions in their life. Luck didn't have a thing to do with it, but I digress). Seriously, some of you people sicken me.
For someone that shouts out so loud that is so wealthy and well connected you sure bitch a lot.
Pulled that one out of your ass, eh? Congratulations. Want a cookie?
Well you pulled out of your arse 2 cars, a home and connections so I am sure you shouldn't check mine :P
Thanks for the cookie here's some bread with your whine^^
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
what I heard about healthcare is that the tax would be on the 1.2% of rich people.
the overhead costs of public health care vs. private is like 5% for public (or less - maybe 2%) and 17% for private insurers (or more). Really, I understand why people want freedom to have a choice but, you would be better off with public anyways.
it's amazing that so many people say they love their medicare/medicaid but still are against healthcare reform.
on another note: there are people out there who will be against new taxes on anything and would love to have tax cuts forever. you can only have so many tax cuts before your government isn't making any money at all. eventually you have to raise taxes for basic economic stimulus. let's pretend that income tax becomes really low on everyone like 10% for everybody. then all of a sudden there is a gigantic economic collapse. much worse than what we have now. we decide to raise taxes for people with higher incomes and develop a bunch of tax brackets. the republican outcry would be "UNFAIR!" - wow. let's give a big round of applause for the republicans
what I heard about healthcare is that the tax would be on the 1.2% of rich people.
Yep, you're pretty close on that number.
What the proposed bill would do is tax only about 1.2% of the American POPULATION, not just of rich people.
So 98.8% percent of Americans wouldn't even be affected by this increase for healthcare at all, lol. I'm sure based on how some of the posters in these forums post, that number is probably even much lower for them to worry here.
I sincerely doubt anyone here is making over $280,000 a year based on the vast majority of how they frame their arguments. I simply cannot imagine them running a multi-million dollar company with such small minded limitations.
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent?
It's giving up our medical freedom, a little bit at a time, that has LED to this mess we are in now. Now, just a little bit more of the same poison that got us here will make it all better. Sure it will.
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent? It's giving up our medical freedom, a little bit at a time, that has LED to this mess we are in now. Now, just a little bit more of the same poison that got us here will make it all better. Sure it will. I know a con job when I see one.
Im gonna refer you back to my last post
on another note: there are people out there who will be against new taxes on anything and would love to have tax cuts forever. you can only have so many tax cuts before your government isn't making any money at all. eventually you have to raise taxes for basic economic stimulus. let's pretend that income tax becomes really low on everyone like 10% for everybody. then all of a sudden there is a gigantic economic collapse. much worse than what we have now. we decide to raise taxes for people with higher incomes and develop a bunch of tax brackets. the republican outcry would be "UNFAIR!" - wow. let's give a big round of applause for the republicans (or independents that would also yell UNFAIR!")
what I heard about healthcare is that the tax would be on the 1.2% of rich people.
Yep, you're pretty close on that number.
What the proposed bill would do is tax only about 1.2% of the American POPULATION, not just of rich people.
[THRAKK - oops typo... thanks for correcting me]
So 98.8% percent of Americans wouldn't even be affected by this increase for healthcare at all, lol. I'm sure based on how some of the posters in these forums post, that number is probably even much lower for them to worry here.
I sincerely doubt anyone here is making over $280,000 a year based on the vast majority of how they frame their arguments. I simply cannot imagine them running a multi-million dollar company with such small minded limitations.
..and what would you have Fisher, continue us to be a slave to insurance companies, pharmaceticals and the healthcare industry?
If we are slaves to anyone, it's the US federal Government.
The government mandates all insurance requirements. Insurance -- and all of us -- are slaves to the government with regards to insurance.
The government mandates everything about drugs you can imagine. The pharmaceutical companies -- and all of us -- are slaves to the government with regards to pharmaceuticals.
The government mandates everything about the rest of the heath care industry. The health care industry -- and all of us -- are slaves to the government with regards to the rest of the health care industry.
That is the problem. Regularion, licensing, medicaire, medicaid, literally everything about the health care industry is the biggest mostly socialist mess in the history of the United States. The on;y thing that comes close is our education system.
I would get the government out of it as much as possible -- because taht is what has caused costs so high.
No one is a slave to any companies -- those companies are already slaves to the corrupt government that made the be the way they are. Now, people here want a bigger dose of the poison that screwed it up in the first place.
This is a socialist caused problem Socialism is not the solution. It's long past the time we tried freedom instead.
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent?
You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent? It's giving up our medical freedom, a little bit at a time, that has LED to this mess we are in now. Now, just a little bit more of the same poison that got us here will make it all better. Sure it will. I know a con job when I see one.
Im gonna refer you back to my last post
on another note: there are people out there who will be against new taxes on anything and would love to have tax cuts forever. you can only have so many tax cuts before your government isn't making any money at all. eventually you have to raise taxes for basic economic stimulus. let's pretend that income tax becomes really low on everyone like 10% for everybody. then all of a sudden there is a gigantic economic collapse. much worse than what we have now. we decide to raise taxes for people with higher incomes and develop a bunch of tax brackets. the republican outcry would be "UNFAIR!" - wow. let's give a big round of applause for the republicans (or independents that would also yell UNFAIR!")
Umm okay. I don't see any real relevant point there, but I'll fight for your right to say whatever it is you want to say. It certainly has little or nothing to do with what I'm talking about though.
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent?
You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
That's right, my gang's bigger than your gang, so we can take what we wanna from you.
Before last week I hadn't been to a doctor or hospital in over eight years so I didn't realize I was being an idiot when I decided to drop my work health insurance from around $50 a paycheck for Health/Dental/Vision to about $20 a paycheck for all three. Apparently I also either ignored the fact that the new plan had an $1800 Deductible or I figured If a situation ever came up I'd either be able to pay for it or it would be serious enough I wouldn't care about $1800.
So on July 5th I had my 3rd ever instance of Acid Reflux as I was going to bed. At about 2:00am I decided I couldn't handle the pain anymore(Twice as bad as the second instance of Acid Reflux which itself was twice as bad as the first) and went to the emergency room. I spent over an hour waiting in extreme pain after checking in with the Triage Nurse before I was called back. I then waited another 30 minutes before the Doctor came in. He saw me for about five minutes before leaving to get a G.I. Cocktail for me. After nearly twenty minutes a nurse finally brought in the cocktail which was about 1/4 a cup of a liquid she mixed in the bottom of a styrofoam cup. I was then left alone for another twenty minutes before it finally kicked in. The Doctor came back, gave me a prescription for "Nexium", and said he wanted me to come back for an Ultra-Sound to rule out any Gall Bladder issues. I waited another 15 minutes before a nurse came back with the paperwork and said I could leave.
A few days after this I was talked into finally seeing a doctor at one of those no-appointment clinics because I was experiencing stomache pressue and was still extremely nauseous 24/7. I was told by my father who goes there that they opened at 9:00am and to arrive at 8:30am to get in line. I got up early on my day off and showed up about 8:27am. Turns out they actually open at 8:30am because when i got there a line of a dozen people had already formed and they were actually letting them in while I was parking. This meant I also found myself behind the half dozen or so people with walkers or wheelchairs who had waited in their cars until people were let in. After waiting in the waiting room full of nothing but 60-80 year olds for nearly an hour I was called back. First I was informed about the $1800 deductible and advised to let the Doctor know I only had enough money to cover the $140 office visit so he shouldn't run any tests today, then I was led to an examining room. The Doctor came in fairly quickly after the nurse did the usual height/weight/blood pressure checks.
The problem was that he didn't seem to give a crap about the reason I came in and was more interested in my high blood pressure which I have had since I was young(Terrible Family History). I had wanted to have this addressed and perhaps get started on some sort of medication but I knew it would result in higher costs and I'd have to pay out of pocket for all of them. I told the Dr. that I only had enough for the visit but he absolutely insisted I have tests done and even said "Don't Worry about the Insurance". I assumed that since I clearly told him I only could pay him $140 that he would work with me somehow or some such thing. They did 2 chest X-Rays, an EKG, and drew 3 vials of blood for various tests. When all this was done I was given a prescription for two more drugs(One for Acid-Reflux and the other for BP) and told I could head up front to pay. Well, my bill ended up being nearly $600 and the nurse seemed to act like I was at fault because I let the Dr. do the tests despite the fact that I clearly told him my situation. They let me pay just the office visit and would bill the Insurance for the rest though they would of course bounce it right back.
Anyway, it turns out the Nexium was causing all my problems and after I decided to stop taking it I felt instantly better. As for the medications, I had to make numerous calls to get the Dr. to drop them from the most expensive brands to the generic $4 Walmart brands. I assume they have some sort of deal worked out where they all start off with the expensive brands unless a patient objects.
Now today I checked my insurance site and found that the ER visit is going to cost me $800. $800 for nearly 2 and half hours of waiting, 20 minutes total of Dr./Nurse consultation, and a few ounces of a liquid medicine stirred up and given to me in a generic styrofoam cup. Oh, and I guess they did have to wash the pillowcase.....
Yes I'm an idiot for gambling with my insurance, but how can the current U.S. system get any worse? I experienced lines, long waits, but still had to pay over $1400 total for all this. Even with better insurance I would still have had to wait and I would still have had to stand in line. My bill would also have been just as high, even if I had to pay less of it.
Originally posted by Fishermage Originally posted by popinjay
Originally posted by Fishermage
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent?
You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
That's right, my gang's bigger than your gang, so we can take what we wanna from you.
Now you're not making sense.
You claim that people shouldn't be so selfish.
If 1.2% of the population is wealthy and already have coverage, why would they object to everyone having health coverage? Your argument is still valid, it's just that you aimed it at the wrong people.
The athletes, movie stars, music moguls, computer Google whiz kids who all earn more than 50% of the wealth in the country shouldn't object to a small increase in their taxes (and most don't actually) if it means poor and underpriveledged in America is healthy.
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent?
You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
That's right, my gang's bigger than your gang, so we can take what we wanna from you.
Now you're not making sense.
You claim that people shouldn't be so selfish.
If 1.2% of the population is wealthy and already have coverage, why would they object to everyone having health coverage? Your argument is still valid, it's just that you aimed it at the wrong people.
The athletes, movie stars, music moguls, computer Google whiz kids who all earn more than 50% of the wealth in the country shouldn't object to a small increase in their taxes (and most don't actually) if it means poor and underpriveledged in America is healthy.
I am claiming no such thing. Obviously I was being sarcastic and making fun of socialists. I see selfishness as a given. It is the state of man. The question is, given the nature of human selfishness, what is the role of government.
I say it's to protect human rights. You say it is toi forcibly take some people's money to pay for thbe health care of others.
The wealthy are not objecting to anything. I am objecting ti YOU forcibly taking money from anyone and giving it to anyone else -- unless it is specifically authorized in our constitution AND protecting a basic human right (not just a "need.")
But you know all this and are just playing some kind of baiting game. boooooring.
So... Democracy is such a great thing that we should go to war to spread it to other countries, however our own democratically elected leaders can't be trusted? Sure the system isn't great, but Americans do vote for the people who run our Federal and State Governments. Personally I consider it Patriotic to believe in our Government even if I don't like the way everything is done sometimes.
Sure it is also patriotic to make sure that our Government is kept in Check but this is very far from a black and white issue. The Government may not be "the solution" but neither is it "the problem". It's made up of Americans for christ's sake.
I am claiming no such thing. Obviously I was being sarcastic and making fun of socialists. I see selfishness as a given. It is the state of man. The question is, given the nature of human selfishness, what is the role of government. I say it's to protect human rights. You say it is toi forcibly take some people's money to pay for thbe health care of others. The wealthy are not objecting to anything. I am objecting ti YOU forcibly taking money from anyone and giving it to anyone else -- unless it is specifically authorized in our constitution AND protecting a basic human right (not just a "need.") But you know all this and are just playing some kind of baiting game. boooooring.
What bait?
98.8% of Americans will not see a tax increase to get healthcare. That is a fact according to what Obama is trying to pass. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few here. I am not concerned about your false constitution argument.
Taxes are legally raised so I am not sure what you've been going on about as usual. This is not illegal nor is it unconstitutional or someone would have already been talking lawsuits. The fact that taxes can be raised for worthy social programs or for things like defense is lawful. Your playing the violin for effect isn't going to change any of that.
Nothing illegal is going on here, the vast, overwhelming majority will benefit from it so I'm cool with it.
I am claiming no such thing. Obviously I was being sarcastic and making fun of socialists. I see selfishness as a given. It is the state of man. The question is, given the nature of human selfishness, what is the role of government.
I say it's to protect human rights. You say it is toi forcibly take some people's money to pay for thbe health care of others.
The wealthy are not objecting to anything. I am objecting ti YOU forcibly taking money from anyone and giving it to anyone else -- unless it is specifically authorized in our constitution AND protecting a basic human right (not just a "need.")
But you know all this and are just playing some kind of baiting game. boooooring.
What bait?
98.8% of Americans will not see a tax increase to get healthcare. That is a fact according to what Obama is trying to pass. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few here. I am not concerned about your false constitution argument.
Taxes are legally raised so I am not sure what you've been going on about as usual. This is not illegal nor is it unconstitutional or someone would have already been talking lawsuits. The fact that taxes can be raised for worthy social programs or for things like defense is lawful. Your playing the violin for effect isn't going to change any of that.
Nothing illegal is going on here, the vast, overwhelming majority will benefit from it so I'm cool with it.
Yup as long as you and your gang can loot from the minority, you're cool with it.
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I was browsing around YouTube and found this today. I completely forgot about this campaign ad. After watching it, a flood of memories came back regarding statements of how bad McCain's plan was and how his critics went on the attack (including those on this forum).
An "Obama Approved" ad states "We cannot afford John McCain" because his healthcare plan will tax the health care benefits workers receive and cut Medicare.
Oh my, isn't that what is being done now?
www.youtube.com/watch
I am wealthy. I live in a $750,000 home and drive a 2007 Pontiac G6 for everyday commuting and a 2008 BMW M6 for when I want to take liesure drives. Both vehicles are 100% paid for.. Over the last 15 years, I have worked my everloving ass off. I've taken advantage of educational benefits offered by employers; associated with and networked with movers and shakers in my areas of expertise; made sound investments which have paid off. Simply put, I have earned every red cent I've made without doing anything that is outside of the reach of anyone who really wants to get somewhere in his life. I wasn't handed anything by way of inheritance or entitlement.
How DARE any of you tell me I deserve to have to pay more in taxes? How dare any of you tell me that it's my responsibility to provide for the "less fortunate" ("fortunate" stemming from "fortune", which means "luck", which is a misnomer. I'll bet my retirement that easily 90% of the people sucking the tit of the government got in that position by making stupid decisions in their life. Luck didn't have a thing to do with it, but I digress).
Seriously, some of you people sicken me.
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
Fixed it for you.
Now you will get PMs from women interested in taking that $750,000 house and those cars away from you.
Not like they will tell you that up front though, they will just move right in and gradually phase you out........
Welcome to their world.
For someone that shouts out so loud that is so wealthy and well connected you sure bitch a lot.
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
For someone that shouts out so loud that is so wealthy and well connected you sure bitch a lot.
Pulled that one out of your ass, eh? Congratulations. Want a cookie?
"You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous
For someone that shouts out so loud that is so wealthy and well connected you sure bitch a lot.
Pulled that one out of your ass, eh? Congratulations. Want a cookie?
Well you pulled out of your arse 2 cars, a home and connections so I am sure you shouldn't check mine :P
Thanks for the cookie here's some bread with your whine^^
A friend is not him who provides support during your failures.A friend is the one that cheers you during your successes.
what I heard about healthcare is that the tax would be on the 1.2% of rich people.
the overhead costs of public health care vs. private is like 5% for public (or less - maybe 2%) and 17% for private insurers (or more). Really, I understand why people want freedom to have a choice but, you would be better off with public anyways.
it's amazing that so many people say they love their medicare/medicaid but still are against healthcare reform.
on another note: there are people out there who will be against new taxes on anything and would love to have tax cuts forever. you can only have so many tax cuts before your government isn't making any money at all. eventually you have to raise taxes for basic economic stimulus. let's pretend that income tax becomes really low on everyone like 10% for everybody. then all of a sudden there is a gigantic economic collapse. much worse than what we have now. we decide to raise taxes for people with higher incomes and develop a bunch of tax brackets. the republican outcry would be "UNFAIR!" - wow. let's give a big round of applause for the republicans
What the proposed bill would do is tax only about 1.2% of the American POPULATION, not just of rich people.
So 98.8% percent of Americans wouldn't even be affected by this increase for healthcare at all, lol. I'm sure based on how some of the posters in these forums post, that number is probably even much lower for them to worry here.
I sincerely doubt anyone here is making over $280,000 a year based on the vast majority of how they frame their arguments. I simply cannot imagine them running a multi-million dollar company with such small minded limitations.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Yup, just give us a LITTLE of your money for something the 10th amendment doesn't authorize -- just a teeny weeny bit of socialism...just give up a wittle bitty bit of your freedom, don't you care about anyone but yourself? Are you too selfish to give that little bit to a government that has always shown to know better than you how your money should be spent?
It's giving up our medical freedom, a little bit at a time, that has LED to this mess we are in now. Now, just a little bit more of the same poison that got us here will make it all better. Sure it will.
I know a con job when I see one.
fishermage.blogspot.com
..and what would you have Fisher, continue us to be a slave to insurance companies, pharmaceticals and the healthcare industry?
Im gonna refer you back to my last post
on another note: there are people out there who will be against new taxes on anything and would love to have tax cuts forever. you can only have so many tax cuts before your government isn't making any money at all. eventually you have to raise taxes for basic economic stimulus. let's pretend that income tax becomes really low on everyone like 10% for everybody. then all of a sudden there is a gigantic economic collapse. much worse than what we have now. we decide to raise taxes for people with higher incomes and develop a bunch of tax brackets. the republican outcry would be "UNFAIR!" - wow. let's give a big round of applause for the republicans (or independents that would also yell UNFAIR!")
What the proposed bill would do is tax only about 1.2% of the American POPULATION, not just of rich people.
[THRAKK - oops typo... thanks for correcting me]
So 98.8% percent of Americans wouldn't even be affected by this increase for healthcare at all, lol. I'm sure based on how some of the posters in these forums post, that number is probably even much lower for them to worry here.
I sincerely doubt anyone here is making over $280,000 a year based on the vast majority of how they frame their arguments. I simply cannot imagine them running a multi-million dollar company with such small minded limitations.
If we are slaves to anyone, it's the US federal Government.
The government mandates all insurance requirements. Insurance -- and all of us -- are slaves to the government with regards to insurance.
The government mandates everything about drugs you can imagine. The pharmaceutical companies -- and all of us -- are slaves to the government with regards to pharmaceuticals.
The government mandates everything about the rest of the heath care industry. The health care industry -- and all of us -- are slaves to the government with regards to the rest of the health care industry.
That is the problem. Regularion, licensing, medicaire, medicaid, literally everything about the health care industry is the biggest mostly socialist mess in the history of the United States. The on;y thing that comes close is our education system.
I would get the government out of it as much as possible -- because taht is what has caused costs so high.
No one is a slave to any companies -- those companies are already slaves to the corrupt government that made the be the way they are. Now, people here want a bigger dose of the poison that screwed it up in the first place.
This is a socialist caused problem Socialism is not the solution. It's long past the time we tried freedom instead.
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You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Im gonna refer you back to my last post
on another note: there are people out there who will be against new taxes on anything and would love to have tax cuts forever. you can only have so many tax cuts before your government isn't making any money at all. eventually you have to raise taxes for basic economic stimulus. let's pretend that income tax becomes really low on everyone like 10% for everybody. then all of a sudden there is a gigantic economic collapse. much worse than what we have now. we decide to raise taxes for people with higher incomes and develop a bunch of tax brackets. the republican outcry would be "UNFAIR!" - wow. let's give a big round of applause for the republicans (or independents that would also yell UNFAIR!")
Umm okay. I don't see any real relevant point there, but I'll fight for your right to say whatever it is you want to say. It certainly has little or nothing to do with what I'm talking about though.
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You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
That's right, my gang's bigger than your gang, so we can take what we wanna from you.
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Before last week I hadn't been to a doctor or hospital in over eight years so I didn't realize I was being an idiot when I decided to drop my work health insurance from around $50 a paycheck for Health/Dental/Vision to about $20 a paycheck for all three. Apparently I also either ignored the fact that the new plan had an $1800 Deductible or I figured If a situation ever came up I'd either be able to pay for it or it would be serious enough I wouldn't care about $1800.
So on July 5th I had my 3rd ever instance of Acid Reflux as I was going to bed. At about 2:00am I decided I couldn't handle the pain anymore(Twice as bad as the second instance of Acid Reflux which itself was twice as bad as the first) and went to the emergency room. I spent over an hour waiting in extreme pain after checking in with the Triage Nurse before I was called back. I then waited another 30 minutes before the Doctor came in. He saw me for about five minutes before leaving to get a G.I. Cocktail for me. After nearly twenty minutes a nurse finally brought in the cocktail which was about 1/4 a cup of a liquid she mixed in the bottom of a styrofoam cup. I was then left alone for another twenty minutes before it finally kicked in. The Doctor came back, gave me a prescription for "Nexium", and said he wanted me to come back for an Ultra-Sound to rule out any Gall Bladder issues. I waited another 15 minutes before a nurse came back with the paperwork and said I could leave.
A few days after this I was talked into finally seeing a doctor at one of those no-appointment clinics because I was experiencing stomache pressue and was still extremely nauseous 24/7. I was told by my father who goes there that they opened at 9:00am and to arrive at 8:30am to get in line. I got up early on my day off and showed up about 8:27am. Turns out they actually open at 8:30am because when i got there a line of a dozen people had already formed and they were actually letting them in while I was parking. This meant I also found myself behind the half dozen or so people with walkers or wheelchairs who had waited in their cars until people were let in. After waiting in the waiting room full of nothing but 60-80 year olds for nearly an hour I was called back. First I was informed about the $1800 deductible and advised to let the Doctor know I only had enough money to cover the $140 office visit so he shouldn't run any tests today, then I was led to an examining room. The Doctor came in fairly quickly after the nurse did the usual height/weight/blood pressure checks.
The problem was that he didn't seem to give a crap about the reason I came in and was more interested in my high blood pressure which I have had since I was young(Terrible Family History). I had wanted to have this addressed and perhaps get started on some sort of medication but I knew it would result in higher costs and I'd have to pay out of pocket for all of them. I told the Dr. that I only had enough for the visit but he absolutely insisted I have tests done and even said "Don't Worry about the Insurance". I assumed that since I clearly told him I only could pay him $140 that he would work with me somehow or some such thing. They did 2 chest X-Rays, an EKG, and drew 3 vials of blood for various tests. When all this was done I was given a prescription for two more drugs(One for Acid-Reflux and the other for BP) and told I could head up front to pay. Well, my bill ended up being nearly $600 and the nurse seemed to act like I was at fault because I let the Dr. do the tests despite the fact that I clearly told him my situation. They let me pay just the office visit and would bill the Insurance for the rest though they would of course bounce it right back.
Anyway, it turns out the Nexium was causing all my problems and after I decided to stop taking it I felt instantly better. As for the medications, I had to make numerous calls to get the Dr. to drop them from the most expensive brands to the generic $4 Walmart brands. I assume they have some sort of deal worked out where they all start off with the expensive brands unless a patient objects.
Now today I checked my insurance site and found that the ER visit is going to cost me $800. $800 for nearly 2 and half hours of waiting, 20 minutes total of Dr./Nurse consultation, and a few ounces of a liquid medicine stirred up and given to me in a generic styrofoam cup. Oh, and I guess they did have to wash the pillowcase.....
Yes I'm an idiot for gambling with my insurance, but how can the current U.S. system get any worse? I experienced lines, long waits, but still had to pay over $1400 total for all this. Even with better insurance I would still have had to wait and I would still have had to stand in line. My bill would also have been just as high, even if I had to pay less of it.
You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
That's right, my gang's bigger than your gang, so we can take what we wanna from you.
Now you're not making sense.
You claim that people shouldn't be so selfish.
If 1.2% of the population is wealthy and already have coverage, why would they object to everyone having health coverage? Your argument is still valid, it's just that you aimed it at the wrong people.
The athletes, movie stars, music moguls, computer Google whiz kids who all earn more than 50% of the wealth in the country shouldn't object to a small increase in their taxes (and most don't actually) if it means poor and underpriveledged in America is healthy.
"TO MICHAEL!"
All I know is i'd sooner trust the Government than Private businesses, their only goal is profit even at the cost of others.
And government's only goal is to accrue more and more power, greater and greater dominion over others. Profit is clean compared with that.
The profit motive or the power motive? I'll take profit anyday.
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You've got it backwards.
If 98.8 percent of the American people WON'T be taxed by this healthcare bill, then the 1.2 percent shouldn't be worrying about anyone but themselves, especially since they all already make over 280k a year and won't miss a small increase.
I think the 1.2% should be more sensitive to the needs of everyone else in America. If a bus is headed from NY-California non-stop and 98.8% of the passengers don't mind and won't be affected, the 1.2% shouldn't be able to control the busdriver and say they want to get off in Florida, which is no where on the way.
The 1.2% sound like the selfish here, not the 98.8 percent.
That's right, my gang's bigger than your gang, so we can take what we wanna from you.
Now you're not making sense.
You claim that people shouldn't be so selfish.
If 1.2% of the population is wealthy and already have coverage, why would they object to everyone having health coverage? Your argument is still valid, it's just that you aimed it at the wrong people.
The athletes, movie stars, music moguls, computer Google whiz kids who all earn more than 50% of the wealth in the country shouldn't object to a small increase in their taxes (and most don't actually) if it means poor and underpriveledged in America is healthy.
I am claiming no such thing. Obviously I was being sarcastic and making fun of socialists. I see selfishness as a given. It is the state of man. The question is, given the nature of human selfishness, what is the role of government.
I say it's to protect human rights. You say it is toi forcibly take some people's money to pay for thbe health care of others.
The wealthy are not objecting to anything. I am objecting ti YOU forcibly taking money from anyone and giving it to anyone else -- unless it is specifically authorized in our constitution AND protecting a basic human right (not just a "need.")
But you know all this and are just playing some kind of baiting game. boooooring.
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So... Democracy is such a great thing that we should go to war to spread it to other countries, however our own democratically elected leaders can't be trusted? Sure the system isn't great, but Americans do vote for the people who run our Federal and State Governments. Personally I consider it Patriotic to believe in our Government even if I don't like the way everything is done sometimes.
Sure it is also patriotic to make sure that our Government is kept in Check but this is very far from a black and white issue. The Government may not be "the solution" but neither is it "the problem". It's made up of Americans for christ's sake.
What bait?
98.8% of Americans will not see a tax increase to get healthcare. That is a fact according to what Obama is trying to pass. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few here. I am not concerned about your false constitution argument.
Taxes are legally raised so I am not sure what you've been going on about as usual. This is not illegal nor is it unconstitutional or someone would have already been talking lawsuits. The fact that taxes can be raised for worthy social programs or for things like defense is lawful. Your playing the violin for effect isn't going to change any of that.
Nothing illegal is going on here, the vast, overwhelming majority will benefit from it so I'm cool with it.
"TO MICHAEL!"
What bait?
98.8% of Americans will not see a tax increase to get healthcare. That is a fact according to what Obama is trying to pass. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few here. I am not concerned about your false constitution argument.
Taxes are legally raised so I am not sure what you've been going on about as usual. This is not illegal nor is it unconstitutional or someone would have already been talking lawsuits. The fact that taxes can be raised for worthy social programs or for things like defense is lawful. Your playing the violin for effect isn't going to change any of that.
Nothing illegal is going on here, the vast, overwhelming majority will benefit from it so I'm cool with it.
Yup as long as you and your gang can loot from the minority, you're cool with it.
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