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Want to know who the NA publisher really is??
One of my buddies placed an order for the NA (double dipped client) and selected (paypal) option for payment. Guess who's paypal account it goes to.
Description Unit price Qty Amount
Darkfall NorthAmerica GamePlay Subscription
$49.98 USD 1 $49.98 USD
Subtotal $49.98 USD
Total $49.98 USD
Payment $49.98 USD
Charge will appear on your credit card statement as "PAYPAL *AVENTURINES"
Payment sent to tasos@aventurine.gr
All your NA moneys are belong to Tasos and AVENTURINES.
Even though they said there's a new company that owns the rights to the NA client which was the reason they said people who already purchased the EU client would have to re purchase the same client for NA.
Blatant, bold faced scammers?? But it's not like that's some kind of a surprise at this point considering Tasos old boy has lied like a dog about most everything for the last 7 years.
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I am actually trying to find where the word "publisher" was even used in this becuase I dont recall that being part of the notice although it very well may have. All I recall was 'a different company to hadle the server and billing".
I would love to find the orginal
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I am curious, what does it say for EU.
Here is the statement in question:
Tasos
Darkfall Developer
Join Date: Jan 2003 Clarification
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Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server.
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From casual observation it would appear "rights" refer to publishing rights of said game not the actual ownership of the code and/or the name "Darkfall"
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Last edited by Tasos; 06-24-2009 at 08:20 PM..
This almost surprised me until I remembered we were talking about Tasos here.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
not that I am a legal expert but it couldnt it also mean no rights to access Darkfall on the server given the context of the post.
Or it could also mean that they have set up an american "company" becuase of international law and said company is only used in order to be legal and there is no publisher at all.
From reading above I do not find it explict that the "company" in question is even a publisher. Not saying that its not just saying I think everyone is assuming.
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I am now fairly confident although not positive that the entire month and miles of text regarding "who is the publisher" was completely invalid becuase they never even said there was a "new publisher". the context was access rights to the american server.
but again, not 100% sure about it.
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It's a weird subject and AV not just telling people what's happening is only fuelling the speculation. This was posted on the DF forum:
They still refuse to tell us who the NA publisher is, closest we got is a ticket response I got stating:
Hello,
The commercial rights to Darkfall for North America and for Europe belong to different business entities. Aventurine manages the publishing for both regions but the two regions belong to different partners, investors, and companies.
Thank you,
Darkfall Support
I struggle to make much of that but it sounds like AV is publishing it in both NA and EU. Who the other partners, investors and companies are is anyone's guess.
I agree that they should just say something to calm the public down but in real terms I am amazed at much people get into this.
I have really been extreemly disapointed with the gaming community at large and even though I love games I am really starting to wonder if I should not be doing something better with my free time and I really do not like the community at all.
Watching these posts and reading what people care about has really been a massive eye opener for me and bit depressing I might add.
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I agree that they should just say something to calm the public down but in real terms I am amazed at much people get into this.
I have really been extreemly disapointed with the gaming community at large and even though I love games I am really starting to wonder if I should not be doing something better with my free time and I really do not like the community at all.
Watching these posts and reading what people care about has really been a massive eye opener for me and bit depressing I might add.
It's the whole soap opera thing that DF has going on at the moment. I have never played it (although I followed it for a couple of years but decided to wait before buying) but the whole thing is intriguing with all the characters, drama and plot twists.
I agree that they should just say something to calm the public down but in real terms I am amazed at much people get into this.
I have really been extreemly disapointed with the gaming community at large and even though I love games I am really starting to wonder if I should not be doing something better with my free time and I really do not like the community at all.
Watching these posts and reading what people care about has really been a massive eye opener for me and bit depressing I might add.
It's the whole soap opera thing that DF has going on at the moment. I have never played it (although I followed it for a couple of years but decided to wait before buying) but the whole thing is intriguing with all the characters, drama and plot twists.
well the whole
"I quit a game I like becuase they promised weather and didnt have it at release"
"who is the publisher who is not the publisher"
"they are charging me twice and that makes them more evil that Exxon and more on the same plane as Mickeal Jackson which is why I quit"
...is just exhausting
its like the entire gaming community are a bunch rednecks who never went to school and spend all day watching re-runs of american idol.
its depresssing.
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Sean i dont know how to say this ...retrace the company's full mouth announcments in the past add it up to whats on hands today ... i could puke realy ... they played the long dong silver and turned out as spongebobs little wiener to put it metaphoric
/waits for fanboy "interpretations"
I agree that they should just say something to calm the public down but in real terms I am amazed at much people get into this.
I have really been extreemly disapointed with the gaming community at large and even though I love games I am really starting to wonder if I should not be doing something better with my free time and I really do not like the community at all.
Watching these posts and reading what people care about has really been a massive eye opener for me and bit depressing I might add.
And why should it concern you that people are taking an interest as to wether they are being scammed or not? More importantly why exactly would that say something negative about the gaming community to you? I can only guess you are one of the people who thinks we as a community should throw good mooney after bad in the hopes of "advancing" the genre.
I actually think the opposite people who make comments and have feelings mirroring your own are why devs shovel shit on the public so often with little to no regard for what the consequences are going to be. This is why SOE assumed they'd get away with it with SWG and same with FC and AOC, well I for one am glad we as a community have people amongst us who don't blindly pay the bills of someone simply because they claim to be interested in the same things as us.
Keep the heat on AV until they disclose specifics and assure the people who they expect to pay the bills that their money is being gained through honest means and that it is worth it to invest in the products they put out.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I already answered this in detail and the summary is this
Measurements of Degree matter.
In short, there are MUCH more important things in the world than this issue.
Its like the slave taking issue that he didnt get the tools he promised and not even addressing the issue of why he is a slave to begin with.
not to mention the fact that I have to explain this time and time again is even more depressing than the public attention to it in the first place.
if you want to quit a game you like becuase you feel that you are being scammed that is fine, I just think you are fool to do it becuase there are much more important factors in your life that are affecting the quality of it.
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Yeah, everything is the end of the world on the internet
This game does seem to polarise opinion more than most though, certainly here on MMORPG.com.
I think maybe that with so little info coming from AV on the big stuff that folks tend to blow up over the little stuff aswell as a kind of release valve. Their frustration with AV comes out of any outlet they can find. Kinda like someone ranting about their roomie taking the last of the milk when they're really pissed off that he hasn't paid his rent on time for the third month in a row (if that makes sense).
Or maybe people are just assholes on the internet, who knows?
I agree that they should just say something to calm the public down but in real terms I am amazed at much people get into this.
I have really been extreemly disapointed with the gaming community at large and even though I love games I am really starting to wonder if I should not be doing something better with my free time and I really do not like the community at all.
Watching these posts and reading what people care about has really been a massive eye opener for me and bit depressing I might add.
It's the whole soap opera thing that DF has going on at the moment. I have never played it (although I followed it for a couple of years but decided to wait before buying) but the whole thing is intriguing with all the characters, drama and plot twists.
well the whole
"I quit a game I like becuase they promised weather and didnt have it at release"
"who is the publisher who is not the publisher"
"they are charging me twice and that makes them more evil that Exxon and more on the same plane as Mickeal Jackson which is why I quit"
...is just exhausting
its like the entire gaming community are a bunch rednecks who never went to school and spend all day watching re-runs of american idol.
its depresssing.
And posts like this totally sugar coat peoples issues by belittling them.
"I quit the game because they promised weather and didn't have it at release" Oh you forgot the other six or seven bullet points missing as well as major features not just weather but I assume you would know this since you claim to have put up with the community complaints long enough to be sick of them.
"they are charging me twice and that makes them more evil that exxon and more on the same plane as Mickeal Jackson which is why I quit" This isn't even funny which I can only think you intended it to be I mean honestly if you went to McDs and ordered a value meal and they decided to charge you for two every time would that not bother you? If not I have quite a few game accounts to sell you for 30 bucks a month which should be no problem because it's going to help a fellow mmo player.
I've spent plenty of time in school, enough to know that when you are suspicious of someones motives or actions you should do what DF community is doing and that's question them on it it's one thing to rant and say in general you are sick of reading negative comments but it should also make you question how much validity is in the claim please stop being a corporate shill and join those of us who demand more respect and better service for our money. If none of us ever played games we would still live but without our money these companies do not exist keep that in mind to see where the true power lies (or atleast should)
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
GG sean you are successfully derailing another thread right now with your personal views..as you did with dozens of others. Your personal feelings are not the issue here and nobody cares.
To get back to the OP. Anybody still paying them twice after this must be a straight masochist who likes to get a good slap in the face. It is so obvious..i am pretty speechless. Thx for posting this..made my day.
well a great deal of people tend to pay more attention to companies than products. There is even an advertising technique that some companies use to create company loyalty which is where the whole thing with kids and product labels comes from.
I had no idea that it was so bad however. I was naive to think that the bottom line is the game experience, not the company or what they says or doesn’t say. The past few months has been a huge eye opener for me and I now see how well this advertising technique works and how it also spills over into independent gaming as a negative.
I do wish people would take the same company investigation skills and take a closer look at more common large companies such as say Exxon or Chevron. I think doing so at the same level they do with gaming companies would radically change their world view.
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I already answered this in detail and the summary is this
Measurements of Degree matter.
In short, there are MUCH more important things in the world than this issue.
Its like the slave taking issue that he didnt get the tools he promised and not even addressing the issue of why he is a slave to begin with.
not to mention the fact that I have to explain this time and time again is even more depressing than the public attention to it in the first place.
if you want to quit a game you like becuase you feel that you are being scammed that is fine, I just think you are fool to do it becuase there are much more important factors in your life that are affecting the quality of it.
Measurments of degree matter? And who exactly determines how much they matter to me if I was lied to about one single thing by a gaming company it is my right to suggest a scam is going on and to also determine weather it is worth speaking about or not but then as I stated your whole weather is missing analogy is a sugar coat since most of the games that we read about on here with negative reviews are missing much more than one single visual effect so at the least be specific because you are just proving me more right when you say things that are not even true (unless of course you can direct me to a single post that says "the weather is missing I was scammed"
In short there are more important things going on in the world but this site is about video games not world hunger and no where on the site does it say "don't post about a game if you are not liking it'happy with it.
And lastly you yourself have said you don't know if AV is scamming people or not, you are just saying that we should not take giving fifty bucks to someone in hopes that they are delivering what they promised as such a huge loss why because eventually they may make a game that satisfies us and delivers ALL that they promised? Well I like to think they probably won't especially since we let them get away with it before.
Maybe you are just having a bad day and hence needed to vent on someone but if what is being said about AV is correct you are making yourself out to be a pure corporate tool by assuming this is something that should not bother us as players.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
well a great deal of people tend to pay more attention to companies than products. There is even an advertising technique that some companies use to create company loyalty which is where the whole thing with kids and product labels comes from.
I had no idea that it was so bad however. I was naive to think that the bottom line is the game experience, not the company or what they says or doesn’t say. The past few months has been a huge eye opener for me and I now see how well this advertising technique works and how it also spills over into independent gaming as a negative.
I do wish people would take the same company investigation skills and take a closer look at more common large companies such as say Exxon or Chevron. I think doing so at the same level they do with gaming companies would radically change their world view.
I see that Sean is doing the same thing in this thread that recently got him a warning from the mods. Trying to make it two in a row, bud?
Also, Sean seems to have a problem separating his gaming life from his real life. Issues in G/L are not issues in R/L and vice verse. Problems of global proportion have nothing to do with a game company that isn't honest with their customers. Quit trying to put the two on the same level. Better yet, just quit posting.
Yeah, everything is the end of the world on the internet
This game does seem to polarise opinion more than most though, certainly here on MMORPG.com.
I think maybe that with so little info coming from AV on the big stuff that folks tend to blow up over the little stuff aswell as a kind of release valve. Their frustration with AV comes out of any outlet they can find. Kinda like someone ranting about their roomie taking the last of the milk when they're really pissed off that he hasn't paid his rent on time for the third month in a row (if that makes sense).
Or maybe people are just assholes on the internet, who knows?
Or maybe the people are actually just right maybe this company is out to get every red cent they can get out of this thing before it blows up in their faces. People like Sean try to make us think that this is just the way it is and that the individual company nor the game makes any difference and I'm here to tell you that is not the case. There are lot's of games on this site that don't have to face the negativity that this game does and it is because the publishers don't use the underhanded slight of hand tricks used by companies like this one. When you go to a show there will always be one heckler in the crowd does that mean the act isn't good? Of course not but if you go to a show and ten people start yelling how loud the guy sucks they are probably right.
Anyone who questions my views on this check the boards for EVE,LOTRO,COH/V.DDO then go check AOC,D&L,DF and you will see the true difference and why Sean is full of it too.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
its really extreemly less complicated then all of this.
I have $50 what do I want to spend it on so that I can have fun...done.
the second you start throwing ethics into the mix is when you need to start getting real about learning companies and their practices from items you most likely buy every day.
Its amazing how much the general public doesnt know, even when they are told.
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its really extreemly less complicated then all of this.
I have $50 what do I want to spend it on so that I can have fun...done.
the second you start throwing ethics into the mix is when you need to start getting real about learning companies and their practices from items you most likely buy every day.
Its amazing how much the general public doesnt know, even when they are told.
Yeah but your whole little theory here doesn't take into account the entire point of this thread you need 100 bucks to play this game the way they apparently promised you would be able to even though of course they did at first say $50 bucks.
And I hate to have to tell you Sean you don't know a damn thing about what anyone on this site does to other companies as your only contact with most of us is through this website, so for all you know most personally take the same stance about any company that tries to screw them over so blatantly but of course to talk about anything other than mmos here would be against the sites policy hence it would be taken down.
So basically what you are saying is "since we as a community let so many other big companies screw us over we should have no problem letting AV do it." This is the silliest argument I've heard yet.
Ok again let's keep this on topic which is gaming and more specifically mmos not the evil of walmart and Mc Donalds. Hell you even contradict yourself because you seem to be against companies taking advantage of people but then you accuse the community of wrongdoing because they are against the same thing and posted about it.
So again I challenge you to gain enough knowledge about the situation to say what the OP stated about the game is not true then make a counter argument because now you have absolutely none and if we find that what op said is true come back again and tell us how silly we look for taking issue with being lied to and then I'm certain even to you it would be obvious how foolish your point looks.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
No actually they first said that everyone would be able to try the game for free before buying.. then they busted out with the pre orders which they also said they would never take..
Lies on top of lies on top of half truths on top of more lies...
so published by AV in both EU and US
Darkfall is the intellectual property of AV
AV handles all developement
Servers are either rented or bought by AV (doesnt matter as that AV owns the data rights)
So why the transfer fee again?